Guthy-Renker

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[protected]@crm-inet.com
5/8/12

to me
Dear Anita,

Thank you for your email. By ordering the 30-Day Trial Size Kit at the club price of $29.95, you are enrolled into the Replenishment Program. One of the benefits of the program is the convenience of automatic shipments. You don?t have to worry about running out! Approximately 30 days after you receive your Trial Size Kit, you will receive your first Full Size Kit. This package is a 90 day supply and will be billed to your credit card account for $89.85 plus $7.95 shipping and handling along with any applicable sales tax.

Here is a breakdown of the payments:

Account# [protected] Customer Inquiry

============================= PRODUCT DETAIL INQUIRY ===================================

Mkt Prog 915 Product 220558-CD4063 CD 90DY KIT SAM CAP Batch ID-0 00/00/[protected]
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QTY Unit Price Ship&Hand Tax Product Total Entry Key Due Date Install #=Total
001 89.85 8.99 0.00 98.[protected]

Order Number# N/A Invoice # 1002 FedEx Smart
Transmittal # N/A Invoice Date 02/27/12 [protected]
Address Seq# 001 Cycle # 373 Tracking Status
02/29/12 00:00 Confirmation
03/06/12 04:28 USPS Arrival Scan FEDEX SMARTPOST
03/06/12 12:14 Proof of Delivery

Credits Batch ID Action Date QTY Amount Balance Charge Card
0 00/00/00 00000 CC Payment 05/01/12 +001 29.95 0.00 ************0991
0 00/00/00 00000 CC Payment 03/28/12 +001 29.95 0.00 ************0991
0 00/00/00 00000 CC Payment 03/01/12 +001 38.94 0.00 ************0991

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Mkt Prog 915 Product 220541-CD1055 CD 3PC 30D SAM CAPPED Batch ID-X 01/26/[protected]
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QTY Unit Price Ship&Hand Tax Product Total Entry Key Due Date Install #=Total
001 29.95 0.00 0.00 29.[protected]

Order Number# Invoice # 1001 Package Tracking# N/A
Transmittal # N/A Invoice Date 01/26/12
Address Seq# 001 Cycle # 369

Credits Batch ID Action Date QTY Amount Balance Charge Card
X 01/26/12 00004 CC Payment 01/27/12 +001 29.95 0.00

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Account# Customer Inquiry

|Date|Install Type|Prod Qty|Prod Stat|Prod UCT #|Description|Applied Action|CHARGE / PAYMENT|CREDIT|REFUND|BALANCE
MPG:915 AddrSeq# 001 Ship# 002
2/29/2012 3Pay 001 COM 220558 CD4063 CD 90DY KIT SAM CAP 98.84
3/1/2012 CC Payment 38.94 59.90
3/28/2012 CC Payment 29.95 29.95
5/1/2012 CC Payment 29.95 0.00

MPG 915 Comment Records
DATE SHP # Description
2/27/2012 002 NEXT SHIPMENT DATE = 05/21/12

MPG:915 AddrSeq# 001 Ship# 001
1/27/2012 1Pay 001 COM 220541 CD1055 CD 3PC 30D SAM CAPPED 29.95
1/27/2012 CC Payment 29.95 0.00

MPG 915 Comment Records
DATE SHP # Description
1/26/2012 001 PREAUTH# PREAUTSHIPMENT 001
1/30/2012 001 EMAIL -ORDER CONFIRM INV#1001
Marketing Program 915 BALANCE = 0.00

TOTAL BALANCE = 0.00

Wen? by Chaz Dean stands behind every product we sell by offering a 60-day money-back guarantee. If for any reason during the first 60 days after receiving the product you were not satisfied, Wen? by Chaz Dean would have gladly refunded your money.

According to our records, your product is well beyond our 60-day return policy. Wen? by Chaz Dean will always attempt to process reasonable exceptions to our 60-day policy; however, given the lengthy amount of time that has passed since your purchase, your request is beyond what we are able to accommodate.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.

If you need any additional assistance please feel free to reply to this email or, if you prefer, contact Customer Care 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at [protected]. One of our representatives will be happy to assist you.

Sincerely,

Axel
Correspondence Specialist
Wen? by Chaz Dean
Account

Original message:
Melina,

This explanation still doesn't explain why I was billed $29.95 on
four separate occasions. The website doesn't state that the 90 day supply
will be $119.80 it states that it will be $89.85. Why haven't you both
addressed my request for a refund. Please address this question in your
next e-mail.

Anita

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:25 PM, wrote:

> Dear Anita,
>
> Thank you for your inquiry regarding Wen? by Chaz Dean!
>
> Our introductory Trial Size kit comes in two choices (Sweet Almond Mint or
> Cucumber Aloe) and contains a 30 days supply kit for $29.95.
>
> Approximately 30 days after you receive your initial shipment you will
> receive a full 90 day supply of product in the same scent you initially
> received and you will be charged three installments every 28 days.
>
> We hope that this information is helpful to you! If you need any further
> assistance please feel free to reply to this email or, if you prefer, you
> may contact Customer Care 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at [protected].
> One of our representatives will be happy to assist you!
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
> Melina
> Correspondence Specialist
> Wen? by Chaz Dean
> Account
>
> Original message:
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>
> Cyntia
>
> I appreciate your prompt response. If that is in fact the case why have I
> paid $29.95 on four separate occasions for only two boxes of product when
> the website states the two options are $29.95 for 30 days or $89.85 for
> three months. Even if I set my billing for installments, my card has been
> charged more then what's stated on the website. I can cancel at any time
> according to the paperwork I received. I cancelled after I received the
> second unsolicited box of products, yet my card was debited two additional
> times. I do not understand why I am paying for something I cancelled and
> haven't received and do not want.
> I still want my $59.90 for being charged two additional times after I
> cancelled. You did not address that at all.
>
>
> Anita
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM, wrote:
>
> > Dear Anita,
> >
> > Thank you for your e-mail. When you placed your original order for the
> > introductory kit, your billing was set up on an installment payment
> option.
> > The invoice included in your shipment will reflect the total cost of the
> > order; however, the payments are split into three charges. The first
> > installment includes the shipping and handling charges along with any
> > applicable taxes. The following installment is charged 28 days from the
> > first installment and will include the remaining balance.
> >
> > If you need any additional assistance please feel free to reply to this
> > email or, if you prefer, contact Customer Care 24 hours a day, 7 days a
> > week at [protected]. One of our representatives will be happy to
> > assist you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Cyntia
> > Correspondence Specialist
> > Wen? by Chaz Dean
> > Account
> >
> > Original message:
> > Chaz Dean - Wen Hair Care: Other
> > > > Account #:
> > Order #:
> > Phone #:
> > Email:
> >
> > Message:
> > I called and cancelled this product, but I am still being billed. My card
> > has been debited four times for $29.95 yet I have only received two
> > shippments of this product. The informercial does not reflect that I
> would
> > be paying $119.80 for two small boxes of product. I do not appreciate my
> > card continously being billed for a product that I cancelled. When I
> called
> > and cancelled that should have been the end of taking my money off of my
> > account. When I called customer service I was told that even though I
> > cancelled I was going to continued to be billed, but not told this when I
> > cancelled. I want my money back and you can have your product.
> >
>
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Cyntia

I appreciate your prompt response. If that is in fact the case why have I
paid $29.95 on four separate occasions for only two boxes of product when
the website states the two options are $29.95 for 30 days or $89.85 for
three months. Even if I set my billing for installments, my card has been
charged more then what's stated on the website. =A0I can cancel at any =
time
according to the paperwork I received. I cancelled after I received the
second unsolicited box of products, yet my card was debited two additional
times. I do not understand why I am paying for something I cancelled and
haven't received and do not want.
I still want my $59.90 for being charged two additional times after I
cancelled. You did not address that at all.

Anita

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:42 AM, =A0wrote:

> Dear Anita,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail. When you placed your original order for the=

> introductory kit, your billing was set up on an installment payment op=
tion.
> The invoice included in your shipment will reflect the total cost of t=
he
> order; however, the payments are split into three charges. The first
> installment includes the shipping and handling charges along with any
> applicable taxes. The following installment is charged 28 days from th=
e
> first installment and will include the remaining balance.
>
> If you need any additional assistance please feel free to reply to thi=
s
> email or, if you prefer, contact Customer Care 24 hours a day, 7 days =
a
> week at 1-800-96=
4-1892. One of our representatives will be happy to
> assist you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Cyntia
> Correspondence Specialist
> Wen? by Chaz Dean
> Account
>
> Original message:
> Chaz Dean - Wen Hair Care: Other
> >
> Account #: >
> Message:
> I called and cancelled this product, but I am still being billed. My card has been debited four times for $29.95 yet I have only received two
shippments of this product. The informercial does not reflect that I would be paying $119.80 for two small boxes of product. I do not appreciate my card continously being billed for a product that I cancelled. When I called and cancelled that should have been the end of taking my money off of my account. When I called customer service I was told that even though I cancelled I was going to continued to be billed, but not told this when I cancelled. I want my money back and you can have your product.

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Anita Brooks
5/8/12

to Guthy-Renker
Axel,

I really don't understand why I'm receiving emails from multiple people. I requested a 30 day supply not and extended 90 trail of the product. Instead of a 30 day trial Guthy=Renker took it upon yourselves to continue to charge my card for a product I only requested for 30 days. When I received the second shipment I immediately called and cancelled and advised the rep that I didn't want my card to be debited continuously for a 90 shipment of this product. You said my card would be billed every 30 days but I see two transactions in March in 28 days. The first payment in March is for $38.94. What you have is a customer that does not want the product. I have no problem paying for what I ordered which is the 30 day supply. I do not want nor did I request a 90 day supply of this product and I want my money back. You can have your product still in the box never opened. What can you do to satisfy a customer?

[protected]@crm-inet.com
5/8/12

to me
Dear Anita,

Thank you for your email. Wen? by Chaz Dean stands behind every product we sell by offering a 60-day money-back guarantee. If for any reason during the first 60 days after receiving the product you were not satisfied, Wen? by Chaz Dean would have gladly refunded your money.

Anita Brooks
5/15/12

to Guthy-Renker
Axel,

I need to know how I can return this order. It has not been 60 days since the last payment was taken from my account and I do not need nor do I want this product. I did not request a 90 day supply despite how convenient it may be for others. According to the break down my card was debited twice in March in less than 30 days. The first payment clearly doesn't show that there is an additional amount to be taken out at a later date. Since I do not want the product and did not authorize this payment, why is it so hard to refund my money to satisfy a customer?
Marketing Program 915 BALANCE = 0.00

TOTAL BALANCE = 0.00

An unhappy customer

[protected]@crm-inet.com
5/15/12

to me
Dear Anita,

Thank you for your email. Our records indicate your order was shipped on February 29, 2012.

Wen? by Chaz Dean stands behind every product we sell by offering a 60-day money-back guarantee. If for any reason during the first 60 days after receiving the product you were not satisfied, Wen? by Chaz Dean would have gladly refunded your money.

According to our records, your product is well beyond our 60-day return policy. Wen? by Chaz Dean will always attempt to process reasonable exceptions to our 60-day policy; however, given the lengthy amount of time that has passed since your purchase, your request is beyond what we are able to accommodate.

We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you.

When you placed your original order from our website, information was provided for you to let you know that you would be automatically enrolled in our Home Delivery Program. This program sends you a 90 Day Supply of product to you after 30 days. You have the ability to customize your order to fit your needs, and if necessary, cancel your if you are not completely satisfied. The text as provided on the website is as follows:

When you order today you'll also get TWO Free Gifts! Starting 30 days after you place your order you?ll receive a new 90-day supply automatically replenished every three months. You?ll pay only $29.95 per month plus $7.95 shipping and handling per subsequent shipment. There is no minimum to buy and it?s easy to reschedule, suspend or cancel at any time by calling customer service. This purchase will be charged to the card you provided today. Every WEN purchase includes a 60-day money-back guarantee of the purchase price less shipping and handling.

As we did not receive a request to cancel, you were shipped a 90 Day Supply of Wen? products.

If you need any additional assistance please feel free to reply to this email or, if you prefer, contact Customer Care 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at [protected]. One of our representatives will be happy to assist you.

Sincerely,

Gabe
Correspondence Specialist
Wen? by Chaz Dean
Account [protected]

Original message:
Axel,

I need to know how I can return this order. It has not been 60 days since
the last payment was taken from my account and I do not need nor do I want
this product. I did not request a 90 day supply despite how convenient it
may be for others. According to the break down my card was debited twice in
March in less than 30 days. The first payment clearly doesn't show that
there is an additional amount to be taken out at a later date. Since I do
not want the product and did not authorize this payment, why is it so hard
to refund my money to satisfy a customer?
Marketing Program 915 BALANCE = 0.00

TOTAL BALANCE = 0.00

An unhappy customer

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Anita Brooks wrote:

> Axel,
>
> I really don't understand why I'm receiving emails from multiple people. I
> requested a 30 day supply not and extended 90 trail of the product. Instead
> of a 30 day trial Guthy=Renker took it upon yourselves to continue to
> charge my card for a product I only requested for 30 days. When I received
> the second shipment I immediately called and cancelled and advised the rep
> that I didn't want my card to be debited continuously for a 90 shipment of
> this product. You said my card would be billed every 30 days but I see two
> transactions in March in 28 days. The first payment in March is for $38.94.
> What you have is a customer that does not want the product. I have no
> problem paying for what I ordered which is the 30 day supply. I do not want
> nor did I request a 90 day supply of this product and I want my money back.
> You can have your product still in the box never opened. What can you do to
> satisfy a customer?
>
> Anita

Purchased pro active about 1 year ago...used it...also received a trial of vita clear vitamins... Ok that's fine, i figure that is a nice bonus for purchasing the skin care kit. I give it all a try for a few months...Skin care was ok but then a $98.82 automatic debit is taken directly out of my bank account for a 3 month supply of vitamins.

$98 for a bottle of vitamins that I never wanted or authorized! Every 3 months that is going to just automatically occur.

I cancel my skin care. I gave it a shot for about 9 months and i just wasnt that impressed. I didnt request a refund or complain. So I thought I was all cancelled. However I am still receiving bills for $98 on vitamins. I called customer service 3 months ago now to make sure everything is cancelled. I didn't want any vitamins in the first place. I talked to a woman named LOYDE. I explained the situation and i felt like i had cancelled everything with her. She said they were sad to loose my business and She even had the nerve to tell me she could get my a lower price on the products! SO YOUR TELLING ME I WAS OVER PAYING FOR THE LAST 9 MONTHS! Wtf how does that work. So I told her NO THANK YOU AND TO PLEASE CANCEL. Again I never asked for a refund. I just want to cancel. Here I am today calling the same customer service because they still want me to pay $98 on vitamins. Talked to LOYDE AND SHE SAYS NO IM NOT CANCELLED AND I NEED TO PAY IN FULL I cannot return the product. Sorry but this is bs! I'm not throwing another cent to Guthy Ranker. Stand behind your product...don't pretend to give me a free bonus and then hit me with $98 payment alerts!

Any insight or advice is appreciated.

aha, so I now I know what is going on. Guthy Renker have a reputation for the same unethical and immoral practices in Melbourne Australia as they do in the United States. Totally deceptive. Never use this company to to order Proactiv or anything else online. Go to Southland or Chadstone to buy their products from a store. We received a 2nd package of products, with a bill amount that was different. I phoned Sat 14th July 2012 whereby they informed me that to order online, you have to subscribe to become a member and to be a member, you automatically pay for this products for more months and are billed monthly. This is so dishonest, because I only ordered once. Now they expect me, at my expense, to pay for registered post to send it back when I never ordered it in the first place. As of yesterday, I have cancelled with company, but reading other complaints on website, it will be interesting to see if I am still billed, because obviously they are unethical and have a bad reputation and rely on bullying. I feel sorry for the online companies that do the right thing, because it is company's like this that damages online ordering.

I Ordered The WEN Hair Care products & received The Free Endless Youth Supplements Introductory 30-day supply. Was Told 'YOU WILL RECEIVE A ONE MONTH INTRODUCTORY SUPPLY FOR FREE!' Starting 30 days from your order date, you'll receive a new 90-day supply of Endless Youth every 3 months at the guaranteed low price of just $29.95 plus $2.99 S&H per month, which will conveniently be charged to the card you provide today unless you call to cancel. I CALLED & CANCELLED THE SAME DAY I GOT THE VITAMINS & I'VE HAD TO CALL 3 MONTHS IN A ROW BECAUSE THEY KEEPTAKING THE $ OUT FRAUDENTLY! There is no commitment and no minimum to buy. To customize this program or future shipments and charges, call customer service anytime. Our supplements always include a 60-day money-back guarantee of the purchase price less shipping and handling. This is a limited time special offer for new WEN® Hair Care customers.! I HAVE CANCELLED THESE VITAMINS 4 TIMES NOW & STILL BEING CHARGED! CUSTOMER SVC SUCKS & I'VE BEEN TOLD MY ACCOUNT WAS CLOSED THE 1ST TIME I CALLED, THEN WHY ARE THEY STILL CHARGING ME?!?!? NOT HAPPY! SCAMMERS! FILING FRAUD COMPLAINT!

I have disputed charges with my bank and returned the product and continue to receive delinquent notices from Gunthy Renker despite proof of delivery of product returned to them. When I call they do not recognize my account number.

My girlfriend used my credit card to purchase Sheer Cover products through Guthy-Renker Australia several months ago. Shortly after this purchase we found that they keep sending the products each month or two and charging again for them. We had moved house so did not receive the goods and was not aware of the additional charge until I noticed it on my credit card statement.
We contacted Guthy-Renker and they agreed to stop all further charges but would not refund the one already send (which we never received).
A month or so later I was charged by them again and again we contacted them only this time they agreed to refund the charge (less the postage fee which they would not refund).
A Month or so latter they charged my credit card again and this time we had moved overseas for work. I called them on an international call and again they agreed to remove all record of my credit card however refused to refund the credit card charge or tell me where they were sending these packages as I was not the person who originally ordered the goods, I was just the person whose credit card details they were holding, resurrecting each month and charging.
I have emailed them several times trying to get a refund however they do not answer any of my emails.
I am now waiting to see if they will resurrect my credit card for a third time and falsely charge it again. I guess we will have to wait to see if their sales figures are down again this month and they need more money.

When Guthy Renker was a smaller company just starting out, they were very reasonable and there was no deceit in their dealings with their customers. As their business grew, so did their appetite for their customer's purses and sanity. In direct contrast, customer service levels and respect for their customers have decreased.

Let me give you an example. Six months ago in late June, I received a Proactiv pack in the mail (which is supplied recurringly as per the instructions on your account - note there is no option to buy these packs one off). As I was receiving these too often, I decided to cancel my Proactiv account. So I called customer service to cancel all future orders. It took 15 minutes before my call could be answered. I spoke to the representative (they are not Australia-based so can be difficult to understand) and he assured me that my account had been cancelled. The next thing I know - poof! Another order, which I had not authorised, had been placed, and the amount debited from my credit card when I checked my online banking the next day. I was not happy at all, and I was not about to call Guthy Renker and be made to wait to complain about it. I called my bank instead to dispute the transaction. My bank immediately closed the credit card account which had the unauthorised transaction and requested that I write a letter detailing all occurrences which led me to close my account. After sending off the letter, the matter was settled within two weeks. Or so I thought.

Following this, I received four letters from Guthy Renker demanding that I pay the amount that I apparently owed for the unauthorised order (which, funny enough, never arrived on my doorstep). I choose the word 'demand', because on their letter, I had two options - 1) pay up or 2) do not pay up or we turn you over to a collection agency. Nowhere on the letter did it state that if I must raise a dispute or have any sort of grievances, please contact... (no number supplied!). I found this quite rude. Of course, I refused to pay what I did not owe and was turned over to a collection agency six months later.

I value my time a lot more than money so I ended up paying what they thought I owed. In saying that, I was still very angry and frustrated about the whole thing, which should never have happened in the first place. Guthy Renker are only growing larger everyday because of their celebrity endorsements, not because of their exceptional customer service, or their high quality products, or honesty in dealing with the public. Bottom line from my experience: pay the extra dollar to buy these products elsewhere if you can, do not bother with Guthy Renker or you will end up with a massive headache, and a lighter purse.

Doing business as Pro-Active and Sheer Cover, after a trail sample, I cancelled my order twice, rec'd a confirmation email for cancellation !

Cancelled future "automated" orders...got billed another $50 3 months later. When i called Gunthy Renker to have the charges reversed and to explain that i had cancelled these orders months ago the rep called me a liar! Terrible service, terrible product...does not do the job for the money. Service Rep: Susan #2137126. This is the lady i talked to...she told me: i'm sorry miss, but if you had really called, it would be noted on here...maybe you THINK you called in your head but really didn't! This is customer service? Then she tells me i WILL get another shipment and i WILL be cahrged another $50! Is this for real Gunthy Renker?

I HAVE BEEN A WEN CUSTOMER FOR OVER 2 YEARS AND I LOVE THE PRODUCT. HOWEVER, GUNTHY RENKER IS THE COMPANY MARKETING "SETS" OF THE PRODUCT AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE IS EXTREMELY POOR! IF I DIDN'T LOVE THE PRODUCT SO MUCH, I WOULD CANCEL FOREVER! FOR EXAMPLE, I NEEDED MY REGULAR AUTO SHIP TO SHIP TWO WEEKS EARLY. I CALLED AHEAD OF TIME AND WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. WHEN IT DIDN'T COME, I CALLED AGAIN AND WAS PLACATED AND TOLD THEY WOULD SHIP IMMEDIATELY. THAT STILL HASN'T BEEN DONE, SO I CALLED TODAY AND WAS TOLD THAT ANY CHANGE TOOK 3 DAYS AND EACH TIME WOULD GIVE ME A DUPLICATE SHIPMENT. AND IT IS THE "WAY OUR SYSTEM IS SET UP"! THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMERS AND THEY DO NOT WORK WITH YOU NOR DO THEY CARE ABOUT KEEPING YOUR BUSINESS. I AM LOOKING IN TO DEALING WITH CHAZ DEAN DIRECT! HIS PRODUCT IS TERRIFIC IF YOU USE IT THE CORRECT WAY. I LOVE THE PRODUCT, HATE THE MARKETING COMPANY!

After having not one but THREE experiences with Guthy-Renker, I felt it important to warn other consumers about their deceptive sales practices. When ordering what I assume to be anything but have personally experienced it with their Sheer Cover, Wen and some vitamin they sell, their products appear to be a one time order or "free gift" but are in fact part of a SUBSCRIPTION. I purchased Wen for a gift, knew it was a Guthy-Renker product so I carefully looked for any hidden subscription, didn't see it so I placed my order. To my surprise, approx. one month later, I see the charges appear and immediatley called to cancel the hidden subscription. Then, I see another charge only to find out the "free gift" subscription hadn't been cancelled when I called to cancel the product I originally ordered. Cancelling them can be very difficult and convoluted at times requiring speaking to numerous people. Lots of time on the phone between Guthy-Renker and my card company. Don't get sucked into their products; save yourself the headache and go to a store for your products.

After 2 months of using Proactive, my skin cleared, but was incredibly dry and irritated. Even trying the so-called new "gentler formula" didn't help. So I decided to do a little research to see what could help. What I ended up discovering is that the active ingredient in Proactive, Benzoyl Peroxide, has been shown to cause skin cancer by increasing free radicals in your skin. The FDA changed it's classification from "safe to use" to "safety unknown". Benzoyl Peroxide is also banned in Europe and products containing it are supposed to having warning labels like cigarette packages! Another downside is that if you use your credit card to purchase Proactive, they automatically ship (and charge you for) kits every 2 months. I now think this product is basically a celebrity endorsed cash cow. I will never buy it again and I tell everyone I know how truly terrible it is!

I cancelled my account with the company because my trial turned into repeated product purchase without my agreement. I received an email that the account had been cancelled but continued to be charged. When I called to complain, I spoke with the rudest person who told me I wouldn't listen and I couldn't read my own bank statement correctly. When I told her again I wanted to speak with a manager she told me no one was available. I told her she was rude and she hung up on me. It's not the first time I had problems with this company though not for the same product. I would never recommend dealing with this company. To be honest they lie on their commercials and their billing appears to be a scam to get you to purchase more tan you ever wanted.

I must have been mad to TRY to purchase something off this company to begin with but any way, here is my complaint.
7th April '10. - Went online and purchased Windsor Pilates Total Body Workout from Guther Renker. Supplied them with my credit card details. Received an email the same day to tell me the order had gone through and I could expect the products 'on my doorstep' in 14 days.
10th April '10 - Had to cancel my credit card due to it being stolen. Called Guthy Renker to advise of this fact but was told that due to a high number of calls they were unable to take my call so they would take my number and call me back.
13th Aptil '10 - After receiving NO call-back, I received a letter from Guthy Renker advising that my credit card had not gone through and they now required me to re-send my details through to them BUT, not to worry the order would still be processed regardless "to prevent any inconvenience" to me. So I sent the details back the same day.
21st April '10 - Called to find out where the products were, but "due to a high number of calls" they would have to take my number and call me back.
23rd April '10 - as above
25th April '10 - as above
28th April '10 - called again, when asked for my number so some one could call me back, I refused and said I wanted to speak to someone NOW. Amazingly, some one happened to be available and they put me straight through.(Please excuse the sarcasm but I am mad as hell). I was told by the person who so willingly took my call that the order was only placed on 27th Aptil '10 and that they were out of stock and she did not know when they would be getting more product in, "maybe the end of May". When I asked why the order had only just been placed, she told me if was becuase my credit card hadnt worked. When I told her the letter had said the order would still be processed she said "oh well that's not the case, the letter is wrong, some one should have changed that". And when I asked her what I could do now she said "either wait or cancel the order". So I hung up.
I then sent a email to complain from which an automatic response was sent to me advising some one would call me in 72 hours.
4th May '10 - After not receiving a call back, I called them. I straight away asked to speak to the manager when the person on the phone said she couldnt find my account. After 20 minutes of being on hold, this "Manager" said 'what can I do for you today'. I couldnt beleive that after all the crap I had been through, no one there had recorded anything on my account, and the previous consultant had not told her manager why she was putting me through to him! So I explained all of the above to the manager to which he said "oh we are phasing out Windsor Pilates, whats why you havent received anything". He also told me that I would either receive nothing at all, or I might be one of the lucky ones who would receive the introductory kit.

Not surprisingly I cancelled the order and told them to refund and charges to my credit card. I was even more mad when he told me that every consultant had known about the phasing out of Windsor Pilates but none of the other 100 consultants I spoke to was able to tell me this nor did I recieve any correspondance from them to tell me this was the case. When I asked for compensation, as I had to then purchase something else for the person I was buying it for, I was told he would refund the postage and handling... Um, what? The postage and handling on what?!? I cancelled the order!
Any way, don't purchase through Guthy Renker!

tried to cancell and asked them to please not charge that card # very many times. they keep sending products and i dont want them. the products made my face worse than what it was ever before. If they really record phone calls then im on there quite a bit telling them to not charge that card and to cancell my membership..it continues and they also say i wont b refunded until 4 to 6 weeks later.just for them recharging my card when it was there mistake.

I ordered a trial of the Principle secret. In May, 2009, I lost my job. I called to close and cancelled my account. Last week I lost my wallet and called my bank to get a new debit card and checks. I also saw an unauthorized debit for $97.84.

I reported to my bank that This was unauthorized and fraud. I didn’t make it. Yesterday my husband brought in a box from Guthy Renker! I called [protected] number to find out why they had shipped this when I had closed my account in May, 2009. Talked to a rep – Rebecca. I told her I wanted a refund to my account that I’d closed the account IN May 2009 because I’d lost my job. She said their records said to delay shipping till December.

I told her that was wrong. I’d lost my job and never wanted to get another shipment and closed my account and that is what I had said in May. I told her I didn’t open it and was going to send it back. She said I’d have to pay for shipping. I said no way! I didn’t order this anyway, I refuse to pay for shipping.

She said it would take up to 4 weeks to get a refund I want them to credit my account now. I am one of the thousands of complaints against Guthy Renker. They don’t close your account and keep debiting your checking account. They have bad customer service. I’m filing a complaint with Better Business with my Atty General.

Hi all, I'm a journalist who has written an article about my negative experiences with Guthy Renker. Please read it here: http://www.nsnews.com/seems+good+true/4273452/story.html.

In a nutshell, I tried to return Sheer Cover product well within the 60-day limit, was told that my shipment was slow getting processed, continued to receive invoices indicating my case would be taken up with a collection agency, was told to file an affidavit with my tracking number, and then was told it was far too late to process a return. It was a total nightmare.

This company engages in deception marketing and fraudulent billing practice.

I was lured by one of their late night infomercials: 30 day free trial period on their trial package. Unless you call them before the 30 day trial ends, they will automatically enroll you in their automatic shipment program.

So I ordered their free trial package and this was when the deception start: first of all, it took them 2 weeks to ship the package to me, and 2 weeks later I noticed a charge in my credit card from Sheer Cover. I call the customer service and explained to them that I only had 2 weeks of trial( not the 30 days promised) and she explained to me that the 30 days trial started with the date of order ( even through it took them 2 weeks to ship it to me) and since the 30 day trial factor into the 2 weeks shipping time, I was enrolled by default into their automated shipment program . She then told me I can simply refuse shipment and they will process refund upon receipt of refused shipment. So I patiently wait for the arrival of the auto-shipment package. Guess what, it again took 2 weeks( they billed my credit card on the 12/12 and I did not received the shipment until 01/04 of next year! I took the package to the post office the very next day( 01/05) and received a refused shipment receipt from post office for returning the package to Sheer Cover, I called Sheer Cover again and they told me that I need to give them 4-6 weeks to process the refund to me! Can you really believe this?

Yesterday was 01/20 and I noticed another charge by Sheer Cover on my credit card, I called their customer service again and they said they had not processed my refund ( and I shipped the package back to them 2 weeks ago) and before they process my refund, they had the right to continue bill me for the monthly installment( balance on the shipment).

Don’t fall prey to this company: they purposely delay shipments to you so they can enroll you in their auto-shipment program while you believe you are still within your 30 day trial period. When they ship the auto-shipment to you, it will again be purposely delayed. Then they will lengthen the refund processing time so they can continue bill your account for the next 2 or 3 installment.

This company should be put of out business, Google search for “Sheer Cover Complaint” you will found lots of complaints again this company. I should have done this myself before I order the trial from them. Please do yourself a favor, investigate this company before you order from them.

Cancelled Principal Secret club but they still sent the next shipment. Customer service said to refuse the shipment and drop off at the post office. Did as customner service said and dropped off at the post office the next day.It took Guthy Renker 70 days to process and they blamed the post office claiming that the USPS takes their time to send these back since they don't get paid. They acknowledged the shipment was returned but that it was outside of the "60 day money back guarantee". Sorry we have charged your credit card and kept the product and would not give me my credit. Will never order any product thru Guthy Renker

Dont buy anything through Guthy renker! i bought some proactive stuff for my wife and it was about $95.oo give or take a few bucks. she started to run out so i made another order $70.65. i got my statment from the bank and i seen proactive $122.85. looked through and again seen $122.85. so i sent an email to customer care advising of the mistake. i was told as soon as they seen my bankstatements they would reinburse my money. i went to the bank and got my statments printed out and thought i would send it to guthy renker when i got home. then a delivery van gave me a pacage with a bill in it for $122.85?... i rang guthy renker they told me when you buy somthing from there site you join a membership and that i should have seen that. so i got the lady to wlak me through the site and no where did it say anything about me joining a memebership as i made an order like i did the 1st time. she insisted it did and that i was ment to be sent a package every 2 months for $122.85. when i asked her about the 2nd order i made for $70.85 she said it was cancelled and my normal order was sent anyway. then whe ni said i had been sent three packages @ $122.85 over three months instead of every 2 months like she said my contract was she said it just got sent a bit early. then i asked her if i had a contract what was my agreed direct debit date she said what i can do for you sir is refund your money. so we will see if i will get refunded and i can kiss my $80 odd dollars goodbye from the begining whe the 1st lot of direct debit mistakes were made.

so i learnt my lesson the hard way and i hope someone will get to read this before they make the same mistake.