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I went to take my exam arrived 45 min early went inside I had 35 mins to get to my destination once in the...
*** it those PSI cultists are in Hawaii Kai. I saw a bunch of them congregating nearby.
Anyone had experience with the PSI cultists?
WTF is a PSI cult?
It’s an acronym for something...I call it Pathetic Stupid Idiots.
You join them and they motivate you by stealing all your money through membership fees and selling cow dung (serious they sell you cow ***)...they motivate you by breaking you down and making you feel worthless and the only reason to exist is to hang out with only PSI people.
Basically the same mentality that street gangs use to keep members in check...and also the Democrat Party of America.
These are some of the distinguishing characteristics of a "cult" as we my know them;
--The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
--Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
--Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
--The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
--The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
--The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
--The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
--The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
--The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt in order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
--Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
--The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
--The group is preoccupied with making money.
--Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
--Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
--The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
Oh, and about Psi.
They're a non-religious self-improvement type of cult. Yes, they have pretty strong cultic characteristics. Basic philosophy; you have the power within you. *** the church business and any reference to a Higher Power.
I actually went to a PSI Basic seminar when I was in high school. I didn't really get the "cultish" feel there, probably because at that level, they really weren't looking to alienate the noobs. I thought it was all good as far as the positive mental attitude stuff, but some of it was still over my head. My mom was heavy into it after her divorce, go figure? Though, I tolerated her during that time, and I figured I shouldn't go any further than the Basic I attended. Thing about it was, a lot of the principles taught at the Basic level are common Biblical themes (though I didn't know it at the time). Like reaping what you sow, and being snared by the words of your mouth.
I went thru PSI back in the late 80's so did my 2 brothers and even my mom...along with a bunch of friends too. I would consider it a cult, but its nothing like the descriptions of cults posted above. I will say that it did help me focus on my goals for a short time, but the things taught by them had to do some basic biblical things and how they translate into everyday life...things like unconditional love and such. Also some relaxation techniques and power of the mind stuff. Oh and of course don’t forget the checkbook.
One thing that is true though, it does cost alot to take the PSI seminars.
psi? is that another word for Scientology?
PSI... sounds like an organization of forced-induction freaks.
and yeah although the definition of religion and cults seem similar. The one big difference is...a cult enriches a few individuals...a church does not.
A true Christian church enriches all its members. Yes money is required to run a church, but that's true of any organization. No organization can survive w/o money. Just trace the money and you can determine the validity of an organization.
PSI benefits a few individuals at the top...hence a cult. If they wanna disprove it...show me their books, financials.
PSI Seminars induce exactly this kind of regression.
Dealing with persons with psychopathic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder. They've become stuck in the small child object relations phase, lack empathy, but are in adult bodies and can speak the adult rhetoric of person hood. But they use others as objects. They can often induce bliss and romance us. But the acid test is--they are incapable of reciprocating our loyalty. One need not feel loyal to an object.
PSI. They process subjects to regard all other persons as objects, while hiding this behind the noble language of personhood and human potential. The actual relationships are objectifying, cloaked with the soulful language of person-hood.
Loyalty is unreciprocated. At PSI Seminars we are all objects, not people. Relationships are a game of chess. Pain is rationalized as meaningless or a mere racket. The bliss is the mere product of diddling people's nerve ends according to a standardized recipe that is copied, pasted and used by many organizations--all claiming to be unique but drearily similar when the techniques are itemized, compared and contrasted.
The message is clear. PSI Seminars will destroy your life and the lives of the ones left behind.
DO NOT TRUST JAN KEMPTON. She took private conversations I had with her an twisted them into a bunch of lies and then embleished those lies into severe allegations against my husband without having any validity or verification - because they are all lies.
Jan is the Los Angeles Basic Coordinator - No wonder the LA office was shut down. No wonder PSI's legal council is denying she is an employ of their company.
Jan's accusing my husband of being unfit around children, when her own boyfriend looks at porn and her husband looks at porn and has hired hookers! Maybe we should be more concerned with the environment her little girl is living in...hmmm. Also this is the greatest form of hypocracy since Jan had her own sons taken away from her by the courts for being such an UNFIT MOTHER. Her son still won't speak to her because of how UNFIT SHE IS. How dare she say anything about anyone else.
Questioning my character and calling me a drunk - Screw you Jan. You were homeless at one point in your life. I'll make sure my attorneys crawl up your history to see if you've ever had a drink or drugs.
Funny how you judge and gossip about me and yet you question my character. If you had concerns regarding me you should have just picked up the phone and addressed them with me. But no, instead you say these filthy things about me. What did I personally ever do to you????????
All of this coming from an employee that works for the seminar that teaches "win-win", "givers gain", "agape love", "see people in their greatness". Jan you're a hypocrite
I have no complaints This is my experience: I was first urged to take the PSI Basic Seminar in January 2002...
I just took the PSI basic last weekend looking for self improvement. Yes, people should learn and grow. Yes, change is hard and you need to come out of your comfort zone. Yes, life isn't want you expected and you've either disappointed yourself or others. Yes, you want to make a difference and awaken the spirit within you. However...don't get caught like Hansel and Gretel...so hungry that they couldn't resist. What's missing in your life? What are you hungry for? Be smart on how you get it.
What doesn't look right, smell right, sound right...(however that saying goes) probably isn't right.
1. What kind of legitimate education course runs till midnight on Thur and Fri? Then have you come back full day Sat and Sun? Think about it.
2. What kind of course asks you to pay $500 -$700 but won't tell you what it's all about. You're not going to the movies. You won't find good surprises here, although you'll be lured into thinking so. Instead, you'll come back with problems you never knew you had. I don't call that a surprise...and it's not the right kind of personal insight either. There are better ways.
3. If there are negative blogs all over the net regarding this seminar doesn't it ring alarm bells? Keep surfing, get enough info to make an informed decision. I spent over 8hrs finding loads of info, unfortunately only after I went to the basic. Be smart!
If you still decide you'd like to go. What price are you willing to pay? Not financially but cognitively. Would you open your mind to someone who isn't even a liscenced practioner? I was there...I don't care if it's hypnotism, brainwashing whatever. It's guided imagery where they take you back in time and conjure some of your deepest feelings as a kid. I think the practice is beneficial but not done in a group setting by some facilitator!
Even if you go in there thinking you're smart with no issues and you're all happy, they won't get you...well be very careful. My happy go lucky friends who were satisfied with life came out wanting more. The facilitator will want you to be in the now, be open, listen, get your money's worth. And everyone else around you is getting so much out of it. Don't feel that you have to get it. That's when they'll get you. The countless exercises will get you. The meditation, the voice of the narrator, the dim lights, the imagery will get you.
And most importantly, do not get suckered into signing up for the next course on the last day (Sunday). $6000 is not cheap. Ever heard of buyer's remorse? You can get quality education (Universites - continuing education programs), enlightment, and practictioners for that kind of money. Get it from the right people.
I don't know what it's called or what it is but I notice that my feelings are now somehow attached to that seminar. I can hear the facilitators voice in my head to keep my word, don't be a victim, be a contributor, it's not for everyone, it's my choice, speak from the "I", "What other people think is none of my business", don't be a sand wasp, conditioning/ programs, 100% intention, win-win...oh did they every distort this philosophy. And the peace of mind model...??? Take a close look at it. Does it make any sense? What does career and financial have anything to do with mental? There are other models out there. Take only what make sense to you.
I'm the type of person who reads the stuff online but won't contribute whether good or bad. However this time, I think it's really important to not be passive, please please share your thoughts for all to hear. Get the word around...ya, they got me motivated alright...to shut them down!
Believe what you want. According to them, I'm creating a story and seeing only what I want to see. I'm not asking you to justify my story. What you think it none of my business. However be open, you don't know what you don't know...and if you're having doubts about this program...you know more than you think you do. Think it through...I"m not your obstacle or your negative support group. Just remember the Nightingale fairy tale.
was doing some more research on PSI Seminars and their 90 day “Program” called PLD. The following emails were found on their yahoo group. This group started in August 2007 and the bulk of the membership started dropping out after two months. I found this is rather common with PSI; be it their PSI7 groups or the PLD Programs. The die-hard fans of PSI stick around for years either recruiting their family and friends to this crap. I’m starting to see the same names in all of these groups acting like they belong when in fact they try to maintain the group in order to recruit more victims. The main theme is the program causes people to loose their relationships as you will find in the examples below. I removed the names and added some comments.
On 9/28/07, forever_hunt wrote:
I need your support on this issue. My husband is extremely pissed off because my partner is a man! (Imagine that!!!) As my goal to have a number 10 relationship with him. I feel I am miserably failing. I want to quit because of the influences he brings to the table in my life. One way or another information was giving to him about last nights event. He is
mad because I had a DATE with my buddy. (If I had been her husband I would have been mad too; Oh wait I was that husband.) I don't regret what I did last night it was very valuable to me. I learned a lot more about trust and surrender. However, I am being attacked. Do any of you have advice? What am I doing wrong? Coaches HELP!!
K R wrote:
Just a thought here:
Has your husband been to the Basic? (Again the typical answer; “Has he taken the basic?” Like this is the answer to the problem.) If so, there is one scheduled and starting October 11th that perhaps he can re-audit? If not, perhaps he would be willing to try it. Either way it's a great opportunity for him to work though these issues!
Thank you for that thought. He has taken the Basic & P7. However, he has scheduling issues with work. He will not be able. He also right now is blaming PSI for our issues. I have told him these are my choices and I committed to them. What else can I do? (I would say quit.)
Re: [team_27] Team 27
Wow Sxxxxx. I'm not sure what to say. Coming from the outside it seems to clear me there are some fears coming to the surface - maybe using some of the tools you learned in Basic, 7, LS are a good starting point in working with him. Try working with each other to honestly confront each others fears. Again - just my thoughts, here are some PSI principles you might want to look at. Remember - PSI didn't invent any of this stuff - they just brought it together. If the PSI idea has bad feelings between the both of you right now, try just using the principles independent of the company ( i.e., no need to use "PSI says" or "PSI taught me". Rather, try operating from "common sense" and a life/relationship success approach.
- identifying and confronting fear in all its costumes (i.e., anger, anxiety, jealously) - how to overcome - courage
- victim / responsible - who's in charge anyway? Is He/She MAKING me something or am I?
- identify with intent - we are right now where we intend to be - perhaps an understanding of why either/both of you are where you are now.
- operating from a place of integrity
- LISTEN to him, then ask him to LISTEN to you.
I went through all the PSI seminars. Some I enjoyed more than others however I learned something valuable from each one. I think psi 7 was the best, I personally didnt like Mens Leadership. Now, for all the people putting bad press you have to realize that you are the one to look at. I know I didnt like MLS because I am not an outdoors kind of guy, I dealt with it, learned from it. I also dont like hanging out with just guys, even as a retreat sort of setting.
Yes I think they use their people to do different chores or events but we also learned a lot about how we act in situations, I also learned how I show up in life.
PSI basic is amazing it is well worth the money. Psi 7 was cool. I could have spent the money somewhere else but I will have memories and a trip to remember forever. I can not take that back, nor do I want to.
MLS I could do without, but I am glad I did it.
It is not a cult, anyone who says it is, is nuts. Remember, you get out of this world what you put into it. If you want to cheat and steal, your life will show those same traits!
The answer to you question is yes. PSI uses past graduates from the basic and PSI7 to “staff” the basic. It's basically free labor and more money for them. PSI will tell you that once you complete PSI7 you can audit the basic class at no charge. They also tell you that you can attend as many times as you want. Several times I re-audited the basic and was placed into a group with the new people attending. I was told not to tell the new people what we were about to do so as not to ruin the experience for them.
I also remember back to the time I was invited to a basic graduation by my friend. I remember people standing up and telling their stories about how PSI changed their lives. Looking back on this I remember the argument I had with my husband that night. I tried to talk him into taking the basic and pointed out the people who stood and related their stories and how it had helped them. My husband said these people reminded him of “shills” planted in a group to tout the possibilities of PSI. Naturally I got pissed off when he said this and wouldn’t listen anymore; but looking back he was right.
When I staffed the basic I saw the same people infiltrating the micro-groups, acting like it was their first time and pretending to sign up for PSI7 without any hesitation. If you were a first timer and had some doubts how much convincing would you need when someone you sat next to for four days signed up without hesitation? I think about this from time to time and wonder if there was one in my group.
And just so you know I ruined my relationship with my husband, family and friends because of PSI. I have tried to explain this to some of my PSI “friends” and were told to “stop being a victim.”
I attended the PSI Basic seminar in Chicago, and initially believed it to be a good thing. So good in fact that I signed up for an advanced seminar (Psi-7), which is held at the compound (I mean ranch) in Northern California. However, only a couple of weeks after the basic seminar I became aware that I was totally unprepared to deal with the issues that the emotional raping of the Basic seminar opened in me. But, no fear, as the Psi gurus told me... all that will be dealt with in the next seminar.
I continued to have new difficulties in life all the way up to the advanced seminar. Once you get on the ranch in California it is nearly impossible to get out. Shame, guilt, belittling, browbeating, public humiliation, and the ever popular 'You're on silence' are the tactics they use to keep you from leaving. I finally was allowed to leave the ranch only after walking off a 'training exercise' and refusing to participate any further.
PSI claims to promote a 'win-win' philosophy. However, the only way to 'win' with PSI is not to become involved. When approached by someone about PSI, make them get specific. Don't allow them the luxury of 'not spoiling your experience.' Make them give you the intimate details of their life, they did it with a room full of strangers, they can do it with you. Then as you see how really screwed up most of the people who are into PSI really are, you'll be glad that you're not getting involved.
If anyone is contemplating a PSI seminar you may contact me via this list, I'll get back in touch with you, and tell you anything and everything that I know and have experienced with these self-trained hack psychology wannabes. If you're a PSI grad looking for a 'discussion', then send me a check for $3000 and I'll be glad to 'discuss' with you. But not before the check clears, I wouldn't want to 'give you any expectations.'
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