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Fraud website
No Native Tribal endorsement or affiliation
has been removed from over a dozen servers
Administrators are not NDN
Libel, Slander, Defamation, Identity Theft, Cyber-Stalking, Computer Hacking
Former illegal and locked Esowatch site
Unethical, poor research, privacy invasion
fearmongering, manipulation, sock puppet accounts, psychologically abusive
Missed a page
one is a Forbidden site
one had a loud siren warning and was red flagged
The Circle - put new age frauds and plastic shamans into search and no results, put Al Carroll into search and a page on measles appeared
one was a Netflix movie
more chat boards, more page not found or can't be reached or page does not exist, more articles written by other people with no mention of NAFPS
COARANN is run by one of the admins of NAFPS
another petition site
looks like no one wanted to date Al on Plenty of Fish, they were too busy talking about animal totems, spirit guides, guardian angels and Jesus Christ
Rational Wiki is the playground of Psiram
one was how to lower your triglycerides
one was a talk on the end of the world in 2012 that never happened
one was a BBC report on African witchdoctors
one was an article on Google glasses
one talked about zombies
Your references are not very convincing. Many go no where. You might want to deal with it.
The Cherokee Nation, AIM and universities are more reliable but you are not part of them anonymous wacko pretendian and psiram, esowatch phony
You tell me, who is more reliable? The Cherokee Nation, AIM, universities, and hundreds of others? Or the anonymous scared-to-death racists whining about being exposed who started this thread?
Natives know better. Deal with it, racist wannabes and wackos.
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1235.0
NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...
Groups and individuals that NAFPS Has Worked With, Including Those That Are Members of NAFPS and Other Activist Groups
American Indian Movement Chapters:
AIM Arizona
AIM Indiana
AIM Support Group of Northern Kentucky/Ohio
MASSAIM
New England AIM
American Indian Heritage Support Center
CERTAIN
Honor Nation
ICARE
Iron Lodge (Native Prisoners Support Group)
Our Red Earth
Red Road Collective
Albuquerque Indian Center (NAFPS members toured Europe on a speaking tour to raise funds for them.)
Native Issues Supporters in Europe:
World In Our Hands Foundation
Fourth World
NANAI
Sites that list NAFPS as a resource, work with NAFPS members, or whose members recommend NAFPS, in alphabetical order:
AllExperts.com
http://en.allexperts.com/e/s/sh/shamanism.htm
AmericanIndianPrisoners.com (Native Prisoners Support Group)
http://www.americanindianprisoners.com/Pages/Al%20Carroll.htm
Americas Indigenous People, New Age, and Cultural Appropriation
http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/native_americans.htm
Anthropik Network
http://anthropik.com/2005/10/neoshamanism-is-masturbation/
Blog Critics Magazine
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/24/094810.php
Blue Corn Comics
http://www.bluecorncomics.com/stype3af.htm
Care 2 Make a Difference
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=10787&pst=773492&archival=
Curanderismo Research Project
http://www.ojinaga.com/phoneyshamans.html
Dakota Lakota Singing
http://drumhop.com/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=BSA&action=display&num=1108616601&start=46
http://tinyurl.com/25ky4y
DBPedia.iorg
http://dbpedia.org/page/Shamanism
Do No Harm (Anishinaabe Activists)
http://www.donoharm.bravepages.com/OctoberActions.html
Reviewer on Ebay
http://tinyurl.com/37ppmf
Engler Refugee's Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/englerrefugee/
Guru Ratings (Provides Warnings on Dangerous Gurus, Kind of a Hindu Version of NAFPS)
http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/Ratlinks.htm
Health on Health
http://www.healthonhealth.com/Health-Reference/S/Shamanism
Indian Religion Beliefs
http://www.winzy.com/keyword/Indian%20Religion%20Beliefs
Internet Infidels Discussion Board (Skeptics Society)
http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-7950.html
Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199489;article=16531
Journical.com
http://www.journical.com/article.php?q=Shaman
Kisikew Wiki, Indigenous News
Ladyhawk's Hogan
http://groups.msn.com/LadyhawksHogan/ndnissues1.msnw?all_topics=1
Lakhota.com
http://www.lakhota.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=2693
Library of Library.com
http://libraryoflibrary.com/E_n_c_p_d_Plastic_shaman.html+nafps
Native Culture Links
http://www.nativeculturelinks.com/general.html
NativePeoplesTribes.net
http://nativepeoples.tribe.net/thread/cbdbb78b-b006-4c95-a68f-ab3e6b46a199
Native Youth Magazine
http://www.nativeyouthmagazine.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=61
OccultForums.com
http://www.occultforums.com/archive/index.php?t-19575.html
PeakOil.com (Conservation board)
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic14491-0-asc-75.html
Planet Twinkie
http://www.geocities.com/planettwinkie//Links.html
PrisonTalk.com
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-142879.html
Raising Our Collective Voices (Native Woman Activist)
http://windthruherhair.tripod.com/fightback.html
Red Road Collective (Anishinaabe Women Activists)
http://www.geocities.com/redroadcollective/Books.html
ReligiousForums.com
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-19940.html
Saponitown.com (Geneology Forum)
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1734&page=3
Six Nations Reclamation Info
http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpBB2/
Snopes.com (Urban Legend Debunkers)
http://msgboard.snopes.com/message/ultimatebb.php?/ubb/get_topic/f/21/t/001116/p/1.html
Tutor Gig Encyclopedia
http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/shamanism
Waldorf Critics
http://www.waldorfcritics.org/active/archives/WCA0401.html
Wayshelter
http://wayshelter.com/CulturalDirectory/Kitchen/Learning_Respectful.htm
Wikivisual
http://en.wikivisual.com/index.php/Plastic_shaman
Yahoo Answers
http://answers.yahoo.com/
Many Pagan sites, whose members often mistakenly fell for Nuage exploiters, have turned to NAFPS as a resource.
http://pub21.bravenet.com/forum/1732203021/fetch/339064/
http://www.duluthpagans.com/readings.asp
http://www.mysticwicks.com/archive/index.php/t-71208.html
http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/tradvsneopagantotemism.html
http://www.wiccanweb.ca/wiki/index.php/Plastic_Shaman
http://www.collegewicca.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67&PN=1
http://thevalley.ukpagan.com/lofiversion/index.php/t12418.html
http://www.magickaschool.com/forum/viewtopic.php?=&p=31938
http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953
http://www.ttem.org/forum/index.php?topic=783.0
The list of sites that used NAFPS as a resource vs exploiter James Arthur Ray:
NY Times (freelancer John Dougherty)
Chicago Tribune (reporter Daniel Simmons)
CBS News- Early Show (reporter Elizabeth Bacelar)
WNYC Radio- The Takeaway (producer David Fazekas) request for interview, unfortunately I was busy teaching at the time.
Anderson Cooper 360 of CNN (producer Ismael Estrada) same as above
People magazine (reporter Howard Breur)
Arizona Daily Star http://regulus2.azstarnet.com/blogs/senorreporter
NY Travel Writers Assn http://nytwa.info/edwetschler
Rodale magazine http://www.rodale.com/deaths-sweat-lodges?page=0%2C1
Body + Soul magazine http://www.wholeliving.com/
Update, new sites.
http://www.abc-directory.com/site/2639304
Listed in it as a resource for surviving cults.
http://archaeologica.boardbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2121&start=15
Archaeologica
http://www.answers.com/topic/medicine-man
Answers.com
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2314817/the_shamans_of_sedona.html?cat=68
Associated Content
http://www.pusinsuyu.com/voixautochtones/html/ressources.html
Autonomous Voices, seems to be a Native issues support site in French
http://jonn.co.uk/garymannion/modules/news/article.php?storyid=51
Bad Psychics
http://barrysblog.freedomblogging.com/2007/12/05/weekend-warriors-trivializing-native-american-traditions/
Barry's Blog
http://www.bandia.net/caorann/
CAORANN, antiracist Pagan site
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=4652&pst=99803
Care 2 Groups
http://centralflorida.cherokee.org/Links/tabid/1655/Default.aspx
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma official website
http://thecirclenews.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=206&Itemid=39
The Circle, one of the oldest Native newspapers
http://www.citizendia.org/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Citizendia
http://www.computernewbie.info/wheatdogg/2009/05/11/a-sad-curious-tale-of-rampant-duplicity-and-stupidity/
Computer Newbie. Then James Mooney comes on to defend himself, and gets taken down by a couple members.
http://chrysalis1witchesjourney.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/rambles-about-cultural-missapropriation-and-community-involvement/
Chrysalis Witch, arguing against cultural appropriation
http://en.cyclopio.com/Plastic%20shaman
Cyclopio
http://sites.google.com/site/dehaluyi/americanindianfactsforeuropeans
Dehaluyi
http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=15953&p=181711
Druid Grove
http://blogs.myspace.com/emer_wolfrider
Emer Wolfrider
http://plantspedia.org/info/NAFPS
Ency of Plants
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Cultural_appropriation?print=1
ENotes
http://www.evocationmagic.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2652&p=26171
Evocation Magic, Pagan Site
http://files.meetup.com/166515/Shamanism.doc
Files Meetup
http://www.freebase.com/view/en/nafps
Free Base
http://gnuuu.blogspot.com/2007/12/i-found-interesting-website-today-nafps.html
Musings from Xavier Ashe, a post-catholic shamanic humanist existentialist pantheist that recently became a Lay Minister at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Atlanta.
http://halrager.org/WordPress/2009/10/
Hal Rager
http://www.hanksville.org/sand/intellect/newage.html
Hanksville is one of the oldest resources for information on Natives.
http://www.homecircle.info/LinksNA.html
Home Circle
http://www.examiner.com/x-21776-SF-Longevity-Examiner~y2009m11d2-Be-your-own-best-guru-for-healthy-longevity?cid=exrss-SF-Longevity-Examiner
Houston Examiner
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2004/01/i_am_working_on.html
I Speak of Dreams, teaching site
http://www.jackmtn.com/simplog/?p=133
Jack Mountain, Survival Training Instructor with zero tolerance for Nuage nonsense.
http://www.uga.edu/religion/syl/2004rk.pdf
Professor Russell Kirkland, Univ of Georgia instructor in Religion, uses as a resource in his course Introduction to Religion in Native American Cultures.
http://users.skynet.be/kola/ipfagenda.html
Kola, European support for Peltier
http://culture.kosmix.com/topic/Inipi
Kosmix
http://www.leaftine.com/docs/leaf_thesis.pdf
Leaftine, a performance artist, referencing in his master’s thesis.
http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/011748.html
Making Light
http://www.freewebs.com/manyrivers/page3.html
Many Rivers
http://www.maoliworld.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2011971:BlogPost:196711
Maoli World, Native Hawaiian Blog
http://www.startribune.com/local/44755337.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1PciUoaEYY_4PcUU
Minneapolis Tribune
http://elizabethtool.com/page/96/?archives-list&archives-type=months
Once Upon a Time in the West, nice comments.
http://natube.magnify.net/messages/view/FRNSBMJY7K8V9BMG
Native American Tube
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/indians_rage_over_mtv_show_JZzh5RqoeNTkmPEHxCIJWK
http://www.myspace.com/ndnspiritualthiefs
NDN Spiritual Thiefs
http://www.nonfluffy.com/archives/2007_12.html
Nonfluffy Wicca
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/5043566datingPostpage2.aspx
Plenty of Fish Forum. Dating site that uses us as a resource in their Religion section.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/index.php?title=RationalWiki:Websites&redirect=no
Rational Wiki
http://www.realitysandwich.com/shamans_and_charlatans_assessing_castanedas_legacy
Reality Sandwich
http://www.republicoflakotah.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=479
Russell Means's bunch.
http://www.religionexplorer.com/top/Opposing_Views/New_Age/Chats_and_Forums
Religion Explorer
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/native-american-dir/93403-lakota-spirituality-exploitation-issue.html
Religious Forums
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12, 77450, 81497
Rick Ross, one of the leading cultwatch sites. Nice compliments about our work against James Ray.
http://righthealth.com/topic/Inipi
Right Health
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=23259&start=0
Rigorous Intuition
http://blogs.democratandchronicle.com/business/2010/02/09/safeguarding-against-new-age-fraud/
Rochester Democrat, local newspaper
http://www.powwows.com/gathering/native-issues/30327-exposing-fake-medicine-men-women-5.html
If you don't know the site, where have you been?
http://newagefraud.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/shaman-links/
Shaman Links
http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/harm15.html
Skeptic’s Dictionary
http://www.spiritandsky.com/skeptics/new-age/chats-and-forums/
Spirit and Sky
http://stereotype.drumhop.com/
Stereotype Drumhop antiracist page
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/09/23/africa-stupidity
The Stranger, Seattle newspaper
Organization in Eskasoni, TREATY BENEFICIARIES ASSOCIATION; to find one can search the Nova Scotia database: https://rjsc.gov.ns.ca/rjsc/acceptTerms.do?lang=en
http://tribes.tribe.net/3olivedirtymartini/thread/b070d4a6-5093-40a8-9138-b6387758ea65
Tribe.Net
http://www.tripatlas.com/NAFPS
Trip Atlas
http://www.2012hoax.org/forum/t-185278/hopi
2012 Hoax
http://www.ulctribal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8381
ULC Intertribal
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=176353&st=15
Unexplained Mysteries
http://uscmediareligion.org/?theScoop
Univ of Southern California
http://wicca.timerift.net/links.shtml
Wicca for the Rest of Us
http://www.vtap.com/wikitap/detail/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States/WIKI21217
Wikitap
http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/12/danger-of-wannabes.html
Wild Hunt
http://www.wildspeak.com/links.html
Wild Speak
http://www.wildwoodsurvival.com/_jthy/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=972
Wildwood Survival
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Plastic_shaman
World Lingo
http://zhahara.livejournal.com/40222.html
Zhahara
Who is Esowatch and why does Esowatch use a pedophile server? - Hidden behind the dirty German-hatred sites ESOWATCH.COM is a criminal Internet project created in 2007 by Dr. Klaus Ramstöck (KrazyKraut?) and his wife Dr. Ing (Ingeborg?) Anja Ramstöck… an Internet pillory in the form of a wiki, a blog for censure and hate polemics as well as a forum for the coordination of campaigns, for the maintenance of their own community and for search engine optimization.
Esowatch, which belongs to the intelligence services… the BKA, BND, StaatsSchutz, to the Central Council of Jews, the Israeli Mossad, the American CIA… is now the anonymous website Psiram, which is widely believed to be financed by Big Pharma.
The creators of the anonymous Internet pillar benefit from the technical resources and the employee know-how of SyroCon Consulting GmbH ... since 2010 the subject of prosecution investigations in Germany.
People are portrayed in a manner that violates § 186 StGB (Defamation) and § 187 StGB (Defamation) in the vast majority of cases. Also systematic violations of copyright and personal rights.
NAFPS is part of this Internet pillory.
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://antipsiram.wordpress.com/2015/06/06/psiram-100000-euro-von-der-pharma-lobby/&prev=search
Shame on them for being complicit with Psiram which was Esowatch knowing full well what they support
Newagefraud.org — libel, slander, identity theft, hate speech, cyber-bullying
NAFPS is not a First Nation Advocacy Group, they have no tribal affiliations and act badly.
Dr. Al Carrol nor NAFPS has any First Nation affiliation nor any tribal affiliation. They have misused their opportunities with their website to run abusive campaigns against anyone they dislike or disapprove. This includes bonafide Native American Spiritual leaders or ceremonial leaders that include non-Natives in their practices. NAFPS has no entitlement to claim any authority or special knowledge of who and what has rights to Native America they have shown by their own behavior that they cannot be trusted to honestly live up to their self proclaimed mandate to abuse only non-Natives and call real Native Spiritual leaders frauds.
We humbly ask that the interview with Al Carroll be removed from the film Spirits for Sale.
Elizabeth, for concerned Citizens for Native American Exploitation and Abuse
There is no neo-Nazi page, there are no paid cybertrolls and there is no hiring rapist. The man being talked about was found innocent by the highest court in the land and his friends support him. The supposed Neo-nazi site is run by a full blooded Lakota who admitted to being a Democrat. The people who are making complaints on a complaint board are not rapists, batterers or nazis but victims, mostly female victims, of one of the biggest bullying websites on the internet. Respected elders do not endorse this group. No recognized tribe has sanctioned this site. They are violating people, and dealing with tribal issues that don't belong to them.
NAFPS is mostly run by whites from Europe. Most of the texts are from actual natives who expose these liars and howlers of disinformation and expose these harmful people. Congrats to those exposing the fraud website. You are in the same boat with real natives who are trying to expose these fakes. That's why attacks on NAFPS are happening. Trying to prevent fake sites like this that punch down and harm innocent people.
false allegations, fraudulent and defamatory
false allegations were made by people using fake names and I have no idea where they even live. I contacted the admin from the site calling himself educatedindian to remove my name from his site more specifically from a page they call (Frauds: People, websites, books and events to avoid)
His ways of twisting everything I wrote to him in a few emails, is making me believe that this so call educatedindian is a very sick person. He says he post everything I wrote to him but he only post the parts he wants.
He is using the fact that my 2nd husband died in a very wicked way.
I am at the end of my patience with this person, I say (him) but it could be a (her), who knows who these people really are.
It is affecting my health and my reputation in a way, that people are afraid to be associated with me in case he or she put their name on his site.
I do not know where to go anymore regarding this issue... I need help in pursuing this issue... It is making my life miserable, I am nothing they say I am, they even make false allegation about my website... so could you tell me where to go from here. I have no money for a lawyer.
She wrote about her husbands suicide in her biography explaining how she got from point A to point B because she was looking for sympathy or was expecting someone or something like NAFPS to show up and question her? Why make fun of someone who speaks English as a second language? How come I could understand exactly what she was saying about her first and second husband. Only an ethically challenged person would go there about her second husband.
I believe you about your grandmother and mother and I think you know your family history even if they don't. You lost your job in the school over their lies about you? I would go a legal route there and sue for damages. There are law firms that will take 15 - 25% of settlement costs so you don't pay a cent but go to a big law firm not a small firm. If you can prove who your ancestors were you would win a damages case if you lost your job over what was falsely printed about you and it would force them to take it down. When you are dealing with something like this on the internet you can only go a legal route and you go big firm especially if big pharma is flipping the bill to keep their site up. I imagine esowatch was making fun of ecowatch which looks at alternative fuels to protect the environment much like psiram makes fun of alternative or natural medicines for health. Why any American Indian or anyone involved with paganism would be involved with sites like these I don't know. Don't go to the Mescalero Apache if he is not enrolled or known to them. I know how they edit and omit and lie to make you some kind of fraud. Do not email anything further in defense of yourself. They like to give themselves that kind of power and control and it will just get turned into more lies about you.
Aki ikwe
I would suggest you call one of the numbers below. They will give you advice and who to talk too. You may be entitled to legal aid.
Legal Aid
Toll-free: [protected]
Aboriginal Legal Services
Toronto: [protected]
I saw this - My suggestion would be to complain to organizations that Al claims association with. The Northern Virignia Community College History Department. You could also contact the Mescalero Apache Tribe he claims to be a member of - but is not.
Al Carroll and his group decides to go after a grandmother that is recognized by the Governor General of Canada. Who has been working for many years within the school system helping teachers with the aboriginal curriculum. I wish I knew what to do. He sounds like a sick sociopath.
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unethical behaviour and slander, and invasion of privacy.
NAFPS http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5057.0 has provided personal family information on their forum, in an attempt to invalidate Shore Charmoe and the work she is doing on her website https://www.thecircleforchange.com/
She is helping many people and I hate seeing her invalidated this way. Please investigate. Her family privacy is at risk and the work she is doing.
I think it is beautiful that she has overcome her own autistic issues and is helping so many abandoned and traumatized kids with fetal alcohol syndrome.
This is not a good or trustworthy organization that is on the internet. It should be taken down.
Shore is not alone. Métis was removed as a category in the 1906 census. It didn't appear again on the census until 1991. Many had to assimilate to the dominant culture if they wanted to fit in and prosper. They were also forced to identify themselves as French or English or "white" at census time. The Lakota custom of giving a name to a person as a sign of friendship and respect or even adoption and someone saying that name is not the same as someone claiming to be Lakota. Shore has been recognized by different indigenous organizations in her area for the work she does.
libel, defamation of character, racism, bullying, etc. fear mongering, psychological war fare.
I have been a spiritual teacher for many years. I lived in south Dakota, with Dakota Sioux for many years. I was married to a native American. I am being maligned and investigated by this group for no valid reason. They note the book I co wrote and state " it looks like a Public Relations" ploy. In this book I speak about my spiritual journey and the honor I was granted to learn from and live with various native people. I am a white person and never proclaim to be native American.
I note that Google previously removed this site, however google again displays it.
There are revered individuals, who are being defamed...who are chiefs and one hundred percent indian.
PLEASE HELP TO PUT ONLY VALIDATED INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET. THESE HATE GROUPS ARE ONLY CAUSING FURTHER HATRED AND RACISM...
They are under the umbrella of Psiram, that's how. I got put up on the board for a tea article, both teas completely legal and known here, that I wrote about in a local community newspaper I volunteered for over a decade ago that helped people I know who had cancer. That newspaper no longer exists and hasn't for over a decade. They twisted and turned it into a crime of cultural appropriation when it was about cultural appreciation. That was my intention when I wrote it. Cherry Valley hasn't existed for 8 years. The owner got sick in 2017 and died in 2020. I went down and showed my article to the local native cultural center here after all their rants and do you know what their response was...good article. I went and talked to a lawyer and it is such a long process. I don't have the money. I am a retired teacher on a pension and with the expensive cost of living these days have to budget carefully. Some are native in there and some aren't. The global admin is not. She's the one with her finger on the nuke button. She is Irish-Scottish American. The jury is still out on the owner. The bullying and name-calling and all the rest, well, it's like being back in middle school. My concentration these days is on editing books and the problems going on in this country and the world right now.
It just amazes me that this site of bullies continues with utter nonsense, lies, psychological warfare, defamation, and slander. How is it they are even online to continue, and it turns out I’m not their only target of this behavor AND they are not Native themselves, yet they have deemed themselves Native fraud hunters! They have slandered, libeled, and lied about me for at least eight years. From what I see I'm not alone, and from the feedback, they will manufacture evidence when they have none to continue this. How is it victims of this group can't get together and file a civil lawsuit? For one person it's too expensive but for a group it's feasible.
There is no issue in writing about herbal treatments that have worked for others. I know the teas I wrote about worked for two friends of mine with two different forms of cancer. It shrunk their tumours and reduced their cancer markers. It wasn't the koolaid that did it and it is the experience for many. Even Don Cardinal's wife said it shrunk her mother's cancer tumour in half. Don Cardinal would not have allowed his own mother-in-law to take it if he thought it was dangerous or would increase her cancer cells. ND's in Canada recommend these teas to those with cancer. I'm a dual citizen with the UK, Scotland and Ireland...grew up with my relatives overseas, lived and worked in Scotland, stayed at and studied at Trinity College in Dublin and I know very well ND's know about them there as well. They don't know herbs either and were busy looking up fearmongering stuff on the net. I never did a workshop on the teas or sold them nor was I scheduled too but if they were really smart, they would have checked the fact that there are already Essiac tea classes and Chaga tea workshops and Chaga tea parties happening in Canada and there have been for some time. Essiac tea is also known as Ojibwa tea. Cree Healers call Chaga, Poashkan. Ojibway Healers call it Cha'a'ihtthi. You can find them and the herbs in any health food store in Canada. Nancy is terminally ill and under home care with PSWs and Cherry Valley is no longer in operation as of 2017 and the website is gone. The newspaper that published my article called, "Native Cancer Teas", not "Native Cancer Cures" that was approved by my editor with the source included is no longer in operation either as of 2014 and the website and the article along with it are long gone too but somehow this terminally ill woman and the tea recipe I wrote about and sent her is still a major threat to society. Obviously, the black salve worked for Susan. Plants helped your friend with HIV and plants helped people with Lyme disease. Plants are medicine. A Drug company in the states just took the active ingredient in cannabis and turned it into [removed] and are charging megabucks for it. They spent $500, 000 to keep marijuana illegal so they could turn around and create a synthetic drug. The DEA approved the patented synthetic drug while keeping the actual plant illegal. In fact, Canadians who try to cross the border with even prescription marijuana which is ordered by a doctor are banned from entering the USA but you can cross with [removed] because they patented it and make a profit from it . The real plant, which is superior, can not be patented and costs peanuts to buy. I am chemically sensitive to most medications and can't handle the side effects and that has forced me to look at plant medicine. I think there are a lot of people like that. Plant medicines have been around for thousands of years. Synthetic medicines have only been around for about 100 years and many have bad side effects. Is it any wonder that people turn to natural medicine to help them?
Hi, I know of this site too, a friend published on a blog an account of a woman that had alleviated herself from the side affects of HIV treatmente, then given up altogether on the chemicals and went for the plants. In Two years she was a changed person ... Many people saw the change, her immune system recuperated, she became stronger.
Someone from NAFPS picked up on it and attacked the claim that HIV can be treated herbally. They never truly investigated the case. They didn't even seem to want to know about the truth. With time they them morphed the whole thing into full libelous attack against the shamanic group that had been involved in helping the lady in question... This attack continues to this day although they don't appear to have had much luck finding people that are willing to join them in the attack... People appear and make false accusations under false names and then members of NAFPS comments as if it were a fact even though the accusations are not backed up.
Best wishes. Gabriel Baker
Yes, there are many people that have been slandered by NAFPS. I know also of a German herbalist (Hans Deiter Stohl) that was attacked and slandered for saying he knew a herbal cure for Lyme Disease... Fact is the cure he gives works and I know of people that have tried it and been cured so NAFPS once more off the mark with their attacks. They seem to have an agenda. Check out following blog which says more about their agenda.
https://muchmiller.blogspot.com
Quackwatch (Casewatch) is a site owned and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
If Robert Roy is on there it may be because his formula actually works like it did for Susan Hall and others. This is what happens to people who find or use a natural remedy for disease. They are labelled quacks. That goes for native healers as well. Health is not the concern of corporations. Standing Rock is providing a good example of that. #1 moneymaker in America - Oil #2 moneymaker in America - commerical banks #3 moneymaker in America - pharmaceutical drugs. Transnational corporate monopolies are the drivers behind the Corporatocracy that currently exists. Some of the predominant monopolies, all inter-related and mutually reinforcing, are
Finance
Oil
Pharmaceuticals
Military-Industrial Complex
Media owned by 6 corporations who all have shares in oil, pharmaceuticals, Monsanto
Chemotherapy was derived from mustard gas financed with petroleum money
how about the drug companies being held responsible for the deaths caused by their products. The fourth leading cause of death in America is from pharmaceutical drugs http://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages
Robert Roy's native black salve formula DOES NOT contain the caustic ingredient Zinc Oxide found in most commercial brands which is causing the damage and is dangerous. Herbal Black Salves should contain any of these dynamic drawing and healing herbs: Red Clover Buds, Poke Root, Chickweed, Mullein, Chaparral, Comfrey Root, Plantain Leaf, Bloodroot, Kaolin Clay, Charcoal Powder, Pine Tar, Beeswax. Herbal Black Salve has been used for centuries to gradually draw out infections and impurities in the skin. Do not use any black salve with Zinc Oxide or Zinc Chloride.
Bloodroot is a humble plant that produces delicate white flowers in the spring and has also been used by Native Americans for centuries. It is found mostly in the eastern part of the United States and can help with respiratory issues, and skin ailments such as skin tumors and warts. Recent research also points to the power of this unassuming plant’s root system as a source of the powerful alkaloid Sanguinarine, which has long been known as a cancer fighter.
Studies Prove the Cancer-Fighting Power of Sanguinarine
Hundreds of studies so far have demonstrated the connection between the plant antioxidant Sanguinarine and cancer. This suggests that this unique substance found in bloodroot may have chemotherapeutic (cancer killing) properties.
According to a study published by the University of Minnesota Medical School that looked specifically at Native American healing modalities, researchers found that the Sanguinarine in bloodroot can “block proliferation and induce apoptosis in a number of different transformed and malignant cell types.” Study researchers discovered in particular that Sanguinarine, in a dose-dependent manner, is effective on certain kinds of skin cancer even when pharmaceutical drugs are not: “Of particular interest from a chemotherapeutic standpoint, Sanguinarine suppresses the growth of squamous carcinoma cells more effectively than normal foreskin keratinocytes, and inhibits the growth of a number of multidrug resistant cell lines, ” researchers noted.
The proliferation of cancer cells in the blood is a hallmark of leukemia. Any substances that can restore apoptosis (cancer cell death) show promise for leukemia healing. A very recent study published in the May 2016 edition of the journal Free Radical Biology and Medicine discovered that Sanguinarine in bloodroot can stimulate cancer cell death through the “activation of caspase cascade, DNA fragmentation and down-regulation of anti-apoptotic proteins” in laboratory leukemia cells
A 2013 Korean study published in the journal Toxicology discovered that the same processes mentioned above − inducing of cancer cell mitochondrial dysfunction − allowed Sanguinarine to effect colorectal cancer tumor growth.
A 2011 study at the University of California, Davis, found that Sanguinarine had a marked effect on prostate cancer as well. This was mainly through its effect on the protein survivin.
The most exciting discovery as to what Sanguinarine can do is on breast cancer cells. #It has been used by some traditional healers to treat breast cancer# The same University of Minnesota study also discovered that Sanguinarine had an effect on breast cancer cells after a single application. DNA synthesis of breast cancer tumors (MCF-7) led to tumor growth inhibition. Some aspects of this inhibition remained in place for at least three days after single administering (others came back after 24 hours). The overall results lead the University of Minnesota researchers to conclude that Sanguinarine may be able to “suppress breast cancer cell proliferation for extended lengths of time.”
How Does Sanguinarine in Bloodroot Kill Cancer Cells?
As researchers such as the ones above are discovering, Sanguinarine works in a variety of ways to inhibit cancer cell growth. Its one-two punch, however, is really felt in its ability to effect survivin, a protein that is specifically designed to inhibit cell death (apoptosis). When survivin is active in cancer cells, it can make them practically invincible.
Sanguinarine directly inhibits the functions of survivin in cancer cells. This involves not only creating balance within the cell but also by directly breaking down the survivin protein itself. Without survivin working in their favor, cancer cells soon become subject to the normal cycles of cell death.
One thing is for sure about Sanguinarine found in bloodroot − it appears that a little can go a long way. Because Sanguinarine is a benzophenanthrene alkaloid, bloodroot is usually used as a topical microbial for skin rashes and lesions. It is also used in toothpastes (it helps fight gingivitis) and mouthwashes, as well as for the conditions mentioned above.
Although its cancer-killing effects occur when it is ingested, taking too much internally can lead to burning of the stomach, vomiting, vertigo, faintness, and dimness of eyesight. Because of this, it should always be administered under the supervision of a qualified health care professional.
Much has been written about the amazing healing properties of herbs that come from China, India, and other Asian countries. Not so much is known, however, about the powerful healing herbs that grow right here in the United States. Bloodroot, growing in the wild and as a decorative in many east coast communities, is just such a plant.
Modern science is just now discovering what native peoples right here on this continent have known for centuries. As a carefully-used topical tonic, antimicrobial, and potential cancer-fighter, bloodroot can be a powerfully healing substance.
Dr. Veronique Desaulniers -- After personally overcoming Breast Cancer without the use of chemotherapy, radiation or surgery – Dr. Vesaulniers currently helps to empower women about healing and preventing breast cancer….naturally.
Robert Roy is Mi'kmaq Indian and the formula is native. Known to the Mi'kmaq as Malteweknejkl (Bloodroot - Sanguinaria canadensis) Along with cancer the tea of root is used to treat tuberculosis. The leaves are used to treat rheumatism. The roots are used to treat irregular menstruation. An Infusion of roots is used to treat colds and sore throats. Roots are also used to treat infected cuts, hemorrhages and to prevent bleeding.
Susan Liberty Hall wrote a book on her own cancer story and explains how she cured herself of breast cancer using natural remedies. This makes her a fraud? Congratulations Susan for surviving cancer! I You go girl!
I bought your story on amazon kindle and read it. It was well done. You and I think exactly the same way when it comes to cancer treatment. I'm glad you made it. I'm sorry your brother who opted for conventional methods did not. Ignore the fraud label. You are living proof that you are not a fraud and these treatments worked for you.
The problem with this site is that there is little to no background research and the nuances of spiritual practice are not recognized. It’s easy to point out cultural appropriation, which is good, but it’s another to deride beliefs just because you don’t believe in them or believe they work or have a personal grudge/conflict with the person you report. I know of an example that is on that site that was born out of a personal conflict with the person they named as a fraud. I know that the person who posted the claim has stolen from the people he names, issued death threats, done things that threaten their mundane income, made absolutely false claims [like that the person in question asks for large amounts of cash before delivering their services when it is widely known and experienced that this person in question deals only in barter], engages/engaged in stalking behavior like showing up unannounced when they have repeatedly been told they are not allowed on the property and contacting all the person’s loved ones to tell them lies about the person in question. There was also a post about someone who could prove they were a member of a First Nations tribe and that they had the approval and supervision of their group’s elders to practice what and how they were practicing and they were STILL labeled a fraud. Not everyone listed there is a fraud or a charlatan or is harmful.
NAFPS is all about invalidation. Their attacks and accusations are very shallow, and very generic. Thus, this shows how ignorant they are. If you try to defend yourself on their form, they will accuse you as a Fake, they will edit what you said to suit their accusations, then they will ban you to keep you from replying. They do not represent the real 1st nation people, they are a fraud, and they have nothing to do with the people they say they are defending. I found them to be very ignorant about Native Cultures.
libel, slander, identity theft, hate speech, cyber-bullying
The newagefraud.Org website is used primarily, but not exclusively, to slander members of native american communities. The site is owned by alton carl 'al' carroll born 1965 tx, presently employed by northern virginia community college. It is currently hosted by flokinet of iceland in an attempt to avoid further charges of libel/slander. The site is administered by al carroll and three others; kathyrn price (Aka kathryn m shea, kathryn nicdhana, kathyn theatana, yells at pretendians) born 1962/63 of ma. Sky davis (Aka christine sonya davis, chrstine weed, omgsrsly?) born 1966 of ma. Deborah moran (Aka debbie redbear, debbieredbear) of suquamish wa
Northern Virginia Community College has a policy against harassment: Harassment is any unwelcome verbal, written, or physical conduct that either denigrates or shows hostility or aversion towards a person on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, religion, disability, marital status, or pregnancy that (1) has the purpose or effect of creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment; (2) has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an employee's work performance; or (3) affects an employee's employment opportunities or compensation.
Unwelcome conduct that denigrates and shows aversion towards people based on race, color and religion... Alton Carroll in a nutshell
NAFPS and PSIRAM operate under the same umbrella. They are based in Europe, specifically Germany. They were formerly ESOWATCH, an illegal, highly slanderous site with questionable backing. All authors use anonymous nick names.
http://website.informer.com/185.100.84.150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByrfQwMdtN0 - translates to - Who is behind Esowatch.com (now psiram.com) [Cybercrime]
Al Carroll is the registered owner of NAFPS.
It is important to get this site shut down they do a lot of damage to a lot of innocent people. I know people attacked by that forum for saying that plant medicine can "cure" AIDS and HIV... they said that was fraudulent to claim that plants can help to alleviate suffering in terminal illness cases and even lead to "cure" (I use the word cure in quotation marks because the subject of a cure for AIDS is full of contradictions. AIDS itself is not a disease, its a syndrome and as such its a condition that can be alleviated and the immune system can be helped and strengthened so as the illness don't get in...) but anyway the fact is that I have seen people get back their lives having had or being labelled as HIV Positive... NAFPS never investigate they only attack... and they just make the whole thing into a witch hunt, allowing slander to perpetrated against innocent people. In that case the people that had helped people with terminal illnesses using plants study shamanism seriously and native indigenous medicine. I know them. NAFPS then went on the warpath and published serious allegations about those shamanic students, accused them of being frauds and all was based on totally unproven allegations made by annonymous people. If anyone defends they get banned, accused of stalking and much more. We need to defend and to denounce this so that more and more people realise that this site is not valid. It needs to be taken down. Any more info on where they are based apprecaited. Best wishes, Gabriel Baker
for you to understand what you are dealing with, this was all translated from German. Psiram, Esowatch, Nafps are the same people.
Esowatch is to be regarded with justified suspicion. It acts out of anonymity, contains no imprint, are self-proclaimed guardians where obvious common sense has been lost.
The research quality is completely inadequate and at the same time it tries to create the impression of an equal discussion but contributions are censored or changed and then, without the actual author still being able to exercise any right of access, the contributions are published under his name.
Information disseminated should be treated with extreme caution. As it also became known, some operators are convicted of defamation and try to evade jurisdiction by registering the domain in Hong Kong (and now Iceland), due to their still widespread repeated slander. The web site has no imprint and therefore the access is virtually impossible. - HolgerM3
Claus Fritzsche stated that the authors spread dubious and rather crazy conspiracy theories. He puts it this way: "The authors of the platform browse Google for fragments of information that fit into their enemy image ... and add decorative details that are fictitious in many cases." Claus Fritzsche summarizes: "As long as the authors of the platform ... also use excessive exaggeration, manipulate, violate ethical rules and break the law ...then it is criminal and ethically unacceptable. The anonymity allows the operator to attack all sorts of people in a malicious sniper slanderous manner. The related lawsuits have also resulted in the domain being blocked.
Roland Wilhelm Ziegler from Weiskirchen is said to have been the operator of EsoWatch/Psiram and is no doubt the administrator Krazy Kraut on NAFPS where Al Carroll is the listed owner. He was alleged to be a paid pharmaceutical lobbyist. The Kopp-Verlag reported on their way of working:
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It is in fact, an Internet pillory, which vilified websites, people and worldviews under the protection of anonymity. This happens in a way, that those affected can't defend against it.
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The creators now attack critical websites and denounce people who are off the mainstream .
The approach of the denunciation portal is always similar: With reference to dubious sources, victims are either accused of right-wing radicalism or right-wing populism..., individual facts are picked out, twisted, and put into a contemptible context.
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A dangerous criminal organization that anonymously defames, manipulates, and conducts bad research. In general, everything that is alternative medicine is ridiculed.
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"The system consists of various blogs, on which the victims are attacked. Then follows the extermination blow with reference to their own, dubious blogs, which are quoted as a source. In addition, they have their fingers on Wikipedia .
You can not recommend them in good conscience. All statements must be viewed very carefully and searched for independently.
The following was admitted in an interview:
question
Why do you slander and mob your innocents?
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We only denounce, and very cleverly. Many of our "victims" are branded in different grades as right-wing. This weapon always helps. When we make statements, they are cited and referenced - even though they are often the pages of Psiram-makers but it looks good and nobody notices yet.
Everything that Mr. Ziegler and his colleagues do not believe or approve of is discredited, lumped together, malignantly worded, half-truths, flat lies and deliberate, unproven links, some brown sauce over them, stirred vigorously, and poured into a wiki content system . » - Niki Vogt
According to the Kopp-Verlag, not only is alternative natural medicine attacked but ... "new energy technologies, etc. are ridiculed".
So congratulations to Al and NAFPS for not only being complicit with a paid pharmaceutical lobbyist and those who back him but being complicit with those who oppose clean technology and who promote the interests of the oil companies. We who support Standing Rock, who oppose Kinder Morgan and Keystone etc. denounce these fraud sites.
The NAFPS site was down from March and May. An increasing number of First Nations and Native American individuals have been speaking out about the lies and hate that have taken hold at NAFPS.
Ingeborg Native American Association of Germany making fake accounts and profiles on that website
Now they write
Rumours of our demise are false. The server is functional, it was the particular machine we were on that's taking a while to reload.
the particular machine they were on? what kind of machine were they on? first it is an equipment issue at the server and now it is a problem with their own machine? can they get their own story straight or are they busy looking for a new server? Turkey, Switzerland, Panama, Iceland, where next? The Congo?
They left this message on their FB site
The site is temporarily down due to an equipment issue at the server. We're all still here and will be back online at the main site as soon as a part is replaced.
However, the server is still online
If they were kicked off this would be the 18th server to have given them the boot.
The newagefraud.org site has been shutdown. It was last archived on March 27 2016. All Google Search results for the site have been removed.
Miguel Sague - My relatives recently there were a number of quotes made here in this group concerning opinions about me personally posted in a blog site called Newage Frauds and Plastic Shamans. This site claims that it provides an Indigenous forum for the discussion of organizations and individuals who are currently misappropriating Native American tradition for self-enrichment. The problem is that those who participate in this forum indiscriminately and in some cases illegally attack legitimate Indigenous spiritual leaders based on a very narrow set of criteria that has actually gotten them in trouble and exposed them to the world as a fake group. They search around the internet using a set of “keywords”. If they see anybody using any of these target words they attack. They particularly target anyone they feel is not Indian enough.
On the whole these people either don’t believe that there are really any Tainos living in the diaspora or they claim that there are NO Tainos at all. Check out this quote from the moderator of the website as they comment on the Caney Circle whom they began to target in 2005 when some of them posted some particularly disgusting lies about me personally…claiming to know that I had a girlfriend on the side and making allegations that frankly I could have taken them to court for. In fact they have been taken to court by others that they have attacked and had to shut down their operation for a while.
The moderator said this:
“I'm not sure what to make of this group myself. This looks more like Curanderismo or Santeria than any Native beliefs. The carvings and names they use seem more African to me than NDN. (in his ignorance he was talking about pictures that I have on my Caney site of Taino cemies and words such as Jan Jan Katu and Seneko kakona. He feels that cemies look African and those words are also African)
Groups calling themselves Tainos generally tend to be Dominicans and Puerto Ricans trying to reconnect with any NDN roots they have. There might be small NDN communities on those islands, but most of the ones in the US calling themselves Tainos aren't from those communities”
They will look for any way to attack you. Because they don’t like ANY of us and to them we are all in the same boat. We are just a bunch of Puerto Ricans and Dominicans pretending to be NDNs.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2019/10/meet-survivors-taino-tribe-paper-genocide/
libel
The website newagefraud.org known as New Age Frauds and Plastic Shaman or NAFPS is up again. The website was recently removed from anonymous offshore hoster Cyber Cast International in Panama. It is now being hosted by another anonymous offshore hoster in Iceland: FlokiNet. ( [protected]@flokinet.is [protected]@flokinet.is ) The NAFPS website continues to print lies and...
Read full review of New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) and 11 commentsdefamation
Dear Sir or Madam,
while surfing on the net I found by chance my name quoted as follows on their site. I was schocked to read that my work and authorisation would be fake.
I call that defamation and I am not sure what to think about a procedure in which my name and my work are fouled on the whole net, discrediting me without giving me a possibility to explain myself or to answer. The people of NAFPS seem only very determin the lynch everybody who does share their opinion. I do not think it is Ok. The way to procede seems to me very close to the techniques of islamist people ready to kill (psychic or physically) to affirm the only life-deserving opiniion : THEIRS.
This is the reason why I am asking the shut down of the site NAFPS - which by the way was already schut down EIGHT times ... for racism, between other things. The site is now as I just read "hidden" in Panama. What for a civil courage!
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4557.msg39543#msg39543
Defamation Of Character Law Firm Lowell IA 52645 | Defamation Of Character...
The Family Research Council filed the lawsuit in January by an ex NAFPS member and respected NA elder who was attacked by Al Carroll
A brother in the Mii-Dii-Wii-An (The great Medicine Society) has said this about this issue: Are these people working for the C.I.A., or F.B.I., or something else? The old smear campaign against medicine people, divide and conquer concept. Who made these people God? How are they qualified to sit on judgment on anyone? Who qualified them, the evil spirits, powers, and forces or the Government? As they sit in judgment a much higher court is judging them.
I'd like to state that it is obvious to me that Mr. Carroll is an obvious agent of the FBI/CIA. I have dealt with them for 20 years, and he behaves and performs by the letter. Any sociopath can be an agent for these anti-human organizations, and Mr. Carroll is most evidently a sociopath.
we all need each other...bridge peoples and ways...lets stay in truth ...and say and do what is most helpful...otherwise we get in our own way...if this elder's council heard NAFPS they would laugh...then wonder about your disrespect...
Let me set the record straight and speak directly to this. Anyone who can put names on a list and label them 'New Age Frauds' without ever having met the people they are accusing is a coward, and has no business educating anybody about American Indian issues.
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The list of individuals defamed by Al Carroll and the NAFPS site would be very long if complete. Al Carroll and his crew of fellow NAFPS bigots say they "take pride in being called enemy". Yet Al Carroll routinely blames all criticism on one individual - David Yeagley, John Martin, Suzanne Dupree, John LeKay, etc. It's hard to keep track of the targets of cyberstalker Al Carroll's hate. Northern Virginia Community College will regret hiring Al Carroll before long. Ward Churchill was obscure before his 9/11. When his hate drew attention to his academics and claims of ethnicity he was quickly discredited. But anyone who had actually read anything he wrote over the years already knew he was a joke academically. Just like all the people posting here. I hope Al Carroll finally gets some of the attention he seeks because it will be the end of his career at NOVA.
I would like to add Cate Crow to the list of individuals who have been defamed by NAFPS along with Algonquin medicine woman Nora Walksinspirit, Algonquin medicine man Pete Bernard, Spiritual Healer Nancy Huber, respected native healer Tis Mal Crow who passed some time ago and can not even reply to them.
Petition calling on Northern Virginia Community College to investigate the conduct of assistant history professor Alton Carl Carroll http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/cal-for-northern-virginia-community-college-nova
They are in it for the money and cant talk about others.
"NAFPS has a few real Indians posting there. Most of the folks there are Wannabes and phonies, themselves, though--trying to curry favor with real Indians.
So far as they "expose" real Indians who aren't towing some party line concerning what should or should not be shared with others, I could care less, anyway. I'm for Indians doing anything they wish. If they want to believe in or preach New Age philosophy or Christianity or traditional medicine, etc., etc., I just don't care. Who are non-Indians to tell them what they should or shouldn't do? That site is such a joke! NAFPS has definitely lost credibility. Too driven by personal relationships and agendas. And egos. No one wants to admit when they're wrong or have made a mistake."
from Real Indians
know you are not alone. Check out the comments in NAFPS libel and NAFPS Identity Theft. A defamation complaint board fits right in. The more people who are aware of this terrorist group and their sick methods the better.
fraudulent and defamatory
I found that my business reputation and name are being defamed by this entity known as "NAFPS" and "Al Carroll" inadvertently by doing a search on Google.com. I have a physical business location offering licensed Massage Therapy and am additionally licensed in Minnesota to offer Wellness Consultations, offering Food as Medicine, where I've helped hundreds of clients in good faith, often for no charge reverse and assist with given diagnosis. I have had an extensive amount of education including herbal studies in part, massage school, and my grandmother worked with me a young girl developing intuitive abilities.
When I perused this information, I was shocked! I have a website that I pay for and people often search the internet to seek out references and make sure there is no bad press! There is NONE about me whatsoever; including NONE at my physical business address in a small city where I would have been removed long ago in a very conservative community!
I feel that I am being disparaged, defamed and that my stellar reputation is suffering the result of this fraud.
I am entirely sure that I am aware of the person who submitted this to Mr. Carroll (Kandi Hodges Adams) who resides in Lathrop, California and is angry that her mother, my grandmother indicated to the family before her passing in 2010 that our family genealogy included an African descendant. I was told this as a child that I have African ancestors and Etna E. Floyd disclosed it to the entire family before her passing in Minnesota in, I believe it was 2010. Kandi Hodges Adams, whose name is also submitted on the photographs of Etna E. Floyd, her biological mother is full of hate and contempt at my success of nearly 35 years of study of natural healing and my successes at helping others and was angered at her being viewed as "attacked" on my Facebook personal page where she was a "friend" until I removed her as she was making statements on her page that I was her niece and that I was "...not a Shaman." I have invested my entire life in this work; it's my passion helping other people; the majority of it has been at no charge until I recently when as a solo mother and my son graduated this past year I put together a website at: www.JahRoot.net offering my services to the virtual community. She intimated that she was on the phone seeking to disparage my reputation for which I am greatly affected.
I would sincerely appreciate any and all help I may receive in this regard; I am at a loss as to what to do about this and how somebody can post this kind of thing?
Please contact me via email or telephone if there is a way to discuss this and recommend further what I may do to stop this individual: Kandi Hodges Adams.
Very truly yours, Karen L. Pringle
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=4526.0 (was unsure how to choose file/attach) this is the link.
3 ways to tell if a site is a fake, fraud or scam site
Look at the website's connection type. A website that has an "https" tag is usually secure--and therefore trustworthy-- This is because "https" sites' security certification is a process most illegitimate sites don't bother with. New Age Fraud does not have an "https" tag
Security info. A circle with an i before www.newagefraud.org - Security information - "Your connection to this site is not secure - you should not enter any sensitive information on this site (eg. passwords) because it could be stolen by attackers"
The website's "Contact" page. Legitimate sites provide a Contact page so that users can send questions, comments, and concerns to the owner of the site. If the site in question doesn't have a proper Contact page, it should be an immediate red flag.
No Contact Information – If the website does not have a contact us page, or it if does and it only offers a form to fill out or less, this is a strong indicator of fraud. Any legitimate site should have a location listed as well as a phone number and email to contact them. If none of this information is available it is a fraud site. New Age Fraud does not provide this. They provide an e-mail only "mailto:nafps_13@yahoo.com" and it comes with the same security warning as above.
New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans is a fraud website.
NicDhana who was Yells at Pretendians but is now using other titles on the site and off --just like Al-- should direct her own"whitesplaining" to Carroll when she says in bold letters--
SORRY, THAT DNA TEST DOESN'T MAKE YOU INDIGENOUS
this is in regards to a DNA test where a woman learned she was "26 percent Native American, " --- just like Al Carroll ---
"having some matching genetic markers from ages ago doesn't mean you have the lived experience to become part of that community."
The evidence so far indicates that Al Carroll is not enrolled or recognized by any Apache tribe.
For further information call [protected] or [protected]
BIA Office
Mescalero New Mexico 88340
NicDhana "whitesplaining" anything to any Native American or anyone with Native American ancestry is insulting. It's bad enough that she thinks she speaks on behalf of all with Celtic heritage.
NicDhàna's hypocrisy
Yet another lying (or just ignorant) culture vulture who misuses "Celtic" to mean "white appropriator pretendian. But one of my ancestors was named O'something or McSomething. And I read a book." Fail. Kathryn NicDhàna
http://www.thegreentriangle.com/2007_01/Interview_Lambert.html
[i]"It will always amaze me that this term, this path, has developed any sort of a following at all. When Kathryn NicDhàna, Paul and I were sitting among their books one night and Kathryn, we think, first uttered the term in the context of such a path, my thought was "This is perfect, it's so unromantic and cumbersome that no one else will want use it!"
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage%3Btopic=190.0
[i]"As one of the founders of the Celtic Reconstructionist (CR) (http://paganachd.com/faq/intro.html) movement, I guess it's time I quit procrastinating and respond to this. :) The guy you're quoting is not CR, and does not speak for me, or for the other Reconstructionists I work with."[/i]
http://www.thegreentriangle.com/Dec%2006/Interview%20with%20Kathryn%20Price%20NicDhana.htm
[i]"In my late teens and early twenties, I spent a few years as an eclectic Pagan. I think it's actually a healthy phase to go through when one is young and searching, but I personally think it's a sign of maturity to focus more as one ages, and commit to a tradition. It's not for everyone, but that's how it progressed for me. One of the reasons I became frustrated with the fantasy and rootlessness of so much of the Neopagan community is because I also became involved with traditional cultures such as Hinduism, Afro-diasporic traditions, and First Nations/Native American people. But then I got drafted by my ancestors and their Goddesses, so it was CR for me."[/i]
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=printpage%3Btopic=190.0
[i]"The thing is, there are community definitions for what does and doesn't fall within the parameters of religious reconstruction, at least when referring to particular traditions. I think those of us who started a particular branch should certainly have a say in what it means, and that has generally been supported by those who have participated in building the tradition(s). The problems have mostly come from those who've come into it later, and wanted to re-define it."
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She who sits on her high white horse swinging swords and axes who was born and raised in America who dabbled with everything from Wicca to Hinduism to African based religions and Native American which had nothing to do with her own culture finally decides to go back to the old country of Ireland where some of her family came from and decided she was going to be a Celt. Not only did she have to learn about that and read books but on top of that decides with a group of American friends that she was going to create a whole new religion for Celtic people (CR) and if they don't know as much as she had to learn or even make up then they are not Celtic but "white appropriator pretendians". Carroll and NicDhàna make a perfect pair.
I want to say that the people who run the "New Age Fraud" site are mostly white people who call themselves Native activists. Kathryn NicDhana is a big troublemaker as is Sky Davis and Annika Banfield. These people are straight up liars and are frauds themselves who need to keep their white noses out of Native matters.
Alton Carroll would not know a Powwow or healing circle if he tripped over them both. An Elder classified Alton as a Benedict Arnold.
Alton Carroll is simply a terrorist on American soil.
His web-site nafps is nothing more than a self proclaimed witch hunt and should be banned by every search on the net.
If you have been attacked by this man or his group, you should call the Northern Virginia Community College Campus Police Dept and file a complaint against him
Al Carroll and his mods are compulsive liars and a disgrace and a dishonor to All Tribes of the Red Road.
WARNING: Do not engage in any on-line dialog with Carroll or nafps
I watched some of the accused try to defend themselves. Their posts are edited to suit NAFPS accusations. Then they are banned from the forum so they can not defend themselves. They are ignorant of Native Cultures and are based in Europe. However they are expert with Google.
I read this letter. Is he a sociopath?
I am writing about at the very least, an immoral act… a disturbing issue that has come directly from my being interviewed. A person called Alton Carroll, is maliciously attacking me, personally and professionally.. He has gone as far as, posting what he thinks is my home address and he has caused others, as well as myself, deep concern… concern for our personal safety. As I read his postings that are sent to me, I see that his attack on me…you, and others, as well, is becoming more personal and more and more bizarre. I am deeply concerned about Carroll’s social terrorist style of character assassination. It appears as he has “no-social conscience” and that he has some morbid plan or agenda… because he wants to disconnect anyone from ending the real reasons for the suffering of Native American people… He is blatantly disregarding, laughing at any responsibility of any collateral damage that results from his unsubstantiated attacks on anyone and that this damage is of no concern to him.
Alton Carroll displays himself – as an anti-social, fearful and hateful racist person, who is capable and bent on destroying anyone who gets in his way! I, nor the people whom I help, are not collateral damage of the attacks by Doctorate Alton Carroll.
they also know how to hack into computers, facebook accounts, my space accounts etc. I can't stress this enough, do not go on their site to confront or talk to them using your personal computer, your e-mail and password. There is something else going on here. It is not safe to go on their site for any reason.
She didn't start a new religion. She got a phrase from a book written in the 1970's by Margot Adler who used the term "Pagan reconstructionists" and she substituted the word Celtic for Pagan. That is her claim to fame, substituting a word in a term already used by another author. Academics and scholars were already reconstructing all things Celtic long before Ms. Price and her friends came along on the scene in the 1980's.
a person's 'real name' is not necessarily the one on any government document - the thousands of Natives whose 'real names' were ignored, changed, hidden...
I am Native American. Al Carroll and his gangsters are ruthless liars. Native Americans have their own spiritual integrity without the need of the false rantings of libelous Al Carroll who does not support any bonafide Native American spiritual tradition. Al Carrolls tradition is his own aggrandizement of our Native American plight on non-consensus among our selves. There are no Native American spiritual leaders that support Al Carroll for good reason.
I am a retired history professor and I would never let Al Carroll teach a class any more than I would invite David Duke to teach.
Al Carroll - no American Indian connection on paternal side. On the 1940 census his maternal grandparents are listed at San Antonio TX, race: White .. but that does not mean they were White.
Sky Davis - maternal grandparents were Italian and Lithuanian. Her paternal grandparents were from Texas .. same as Al Carroll's maternal grandparents.
NATIVE AMERICANS LISTED ON FEDERAL CENSUS AS "WHITE" STOLEN "IDENTITY" STOLEN "HERITAGE" The United States Census Bureau (Officially Bureau of the Census as defined in Title 13 U.S.C. § 11)
View on federalcensusindianslistedaswhite.blogspot.ca
This is where DNA tests for your heritage lines are coming in handy. We can prove through our bloodlines we are Native Americans. Unfortunately that is upsetting many NA who only go by the Dawes rolls. Sad that so many NA turn our own away.
Why does Al Carroll point the finger at family members listed as "White" when his own "White" family had a DNA test to prove they had Apache ancestry. Sky Davis should not point fingers when there are questions with her own ancestry. Kathryn NicDhana and the non's on NAFPS should not be pointing fingers at all.
The NAFPS site was down between April and June. An increasing number of First Nations and Native American individuals have been speaking out about the lies and hate that have taken hold at NAFPS.
those who know this group don't have good things to say about them
Hadn't been to nafps site for quite some time, but looks like that you discovered for yourself the very same things many others had taken note of: "indulging in venomous verbal abuse, psychological invalidation, blame shifting, libel, twisting, projection, omitting and deleting other peoples posts and words repeatedly to create a false impression".
I for one do recognize a Native voice, when I hear it. One that doesn't enable New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans have their parasitic fingers in the pie, trying to make a name for themselves selling their books, films and tours and further more; trashing other innocent Native people's reputations in the process without any ethics what so ever. Getting so cocky about it too laughing in the face of all the damage this has caused.
When he first came online, Al admitted to not knowing much about the drop of Apache blood he had and yet he is now speaking for all Apaches? I am amazed, did he learn all of this online or in those expensive colleges he has went to?
why are most of nafps critics ndns? No one is trying to fool anyone here. I for one am not terrified of nafps or hate you, just your methods.. bullying people, ridicule, mocking, libeling legitimate ndn elders and sun dancers is not the right way. Women should be respected in ndn culture. Not viciously attacked. They are life bearers, mothers and our sisters. There are many ways to criticize with out resorting to this kind of abuse.
"NAFPS ARE DISRESPECTING ELDERS AND TRADITIONS by Elder"
"They should leave most of these matters alone. The European nafps members have violated many tribes boundaries in a paternalistic fashion. They think they know what is best for the tribe when they making accusations at members. On or off the rez. Many respected Indians do not live on the rez."
There is not one legitimate, respected, well-known native leader who endorses this group.
you missed these
Al Carroll deliberately attacks real Indians, even our elders, to draw attention away from his own questionable Indian lineage.
Carroll was going around telling people he was Mescalero-Apache. We asked where he gets his Indian blood from and he side-stepped the question. In his updated bio he is no longer claiming to be Mescalero-Apache. I find that odd. Every Indian I have had the pleasure of meeting can name their tribal ancestry in a few seconds.
Carroll is still out there acting as if he were a spokesman for us Indians. He is not. I have learned from the people I have consulted within my own tribe that Carroll pulls these bizarre stunts to inflate his already over-inflated ego.
Carroll runs a website that has blatantly disrespected and even attacked innocent people.
Nobody has the right to proclaim themselves "experts" in Native spirituality. Carroll needs to apologize to the Native Community for speaking out of line. He is not the voice for Native America, consequently, he should stop speaking on our behalf.
Who is he to demand anything from anyone? Carroll needs to apologize to the Native Community. He's lied to so many people it's sickening.
Time and time again, we find that non-indians are easily taken in by these hucksters.
Why does he and his little hate-site indiscriminately attack real Indians who are simply practicing their Native spirituality? I don't buy into his witch-hunting propaganda.
Al Carroll is a menace to the Native Community. He does more harm than good.
Al Carroll likes to name drop AIM, he does this to make it look as if he is some militant, pro-Indian activist, again, nothing could be further from the truth. Carroll's site has been shut down several times for violating just about every internet defamation regulation in the book. I can see someone getting kicked off a forum or chat room, but to get kicked off the internet, that takes some doing.
No recognized tribe has sanctioned or blessed him and his site. Not one.
From what I read so far, this group nafps has done very little to help the major problems that are pervasive throughout Indian Country. This man Dr. Al Carroll seems to be desperately trying to make a name for himself as an Indian activist. I personally know Russ Means and Dennis Banks, Dr. Carroll is no Means or Banks, by any means. This topic is about an alleged Apache who has been abusing his 1st Am. Rights. Dr. Carroll has posted in other forums and he seems to be a trouble-maker. Dr. Carroll should personally visit some of the American Indian reservations and get a grip on what needs to be done. His constant and unprovoked "witch-hunts" are unequivocally useless to contemporary Indian needs. Dr. Carroll is not part of the solution, indeed, he is a major component of the aggregate problem. Why does this man Dr. Carroll not go to various reservations and personally address real, legitimate Indian issues? From what I am told, Dr. Carroll visits Europe quite frequently for reasons unknown. If he were really concerned about the plight of the American Indian he would have tackled these problems long ago. He had his chance and he lost it. Dr. Carroll is a has been, a man who has very little Indian blood, he is a liability to the Native Community. He is just plain wrong for Native America.
DR AL CARROLL: QUOTE I have my father's last name, and he's Irish. My mom's side is Apache. There's no reason Harlyn would know me. Like about half of all NDNs I'm not enrolled. I've always been open about that.
APACE WOMAN: Apaches (all bands) are matrilineal. This means that we identify ourselves through our mother's bloodlines, clans and such. Whenever I meet another Apache or Yavapai I introduce myself and announce my mother's name and grandmother's name. My grandmother's name is one that most tribal members recognize to this day, though most know my mother too. Of course I have a different last name than my mother and grandmother due to marriage, but still I announce my mother's and grandmother's names.
My question is why wouldn't Harlyn Geronimo or Wendall Chino know your mother by her maiden name? Or even her mother, your grandmother? This should be common knowledge at Mescalero especially amongst the members still residing there.
And another thing, what gives you the right to do all that you have done in judging the Indianness of others over at Indianz.com? You're not enrolled and certainly haven't announce how you descend from such a great people - The Mescalero Apache, except to say, "my mother". Well, announce her name and that of your grandmother because that's what we're taught to do when introducing ourselves. You're attempting to make a name for yourself on a national level and claim to speak for the "Apache" nation of which there is none because we're all independent bands, with independent governments, united by a common culture and language and you certainly don't speak for my nation, got it!
Is Sky Davis Native American?
Onlytruthfu
Cherokee Solidarity AKA Sky Davis is a Liar, she herself is not Cherokee. She has been claiming this false identity for years. Saying she is of the Eastern Band. She is not Indian. A little strange for her to be pointing fingers.
Lucie Bernbach
Funny thing is, turns out one of the accusers was a fake Cherokee. Sky Davis AKA Christine Sonya Davis AKA Christine Weed was proven a fake after this story got out. People in glass houses
Bonnie Singleton -
I've read New Age Fraud and Plastic Shaman for several years. I joined the forum in March 2008 and was an active member until June 2010. My research has been thorough, always backed up with sources and documentation. I've never been inflammatory and never posted trivial nonsense. I always thought of NAFPS as a working forum, not a social message board. Somewhere along the way, I got on the wrong side of one of the moderators.
I was banned from NAFPS because of comments I'd made in a thread about the Dawes Roll.
I got a pm from Kathryn suggesting that I edit my post. The pm was also sent to Al, Debbie Redbear (another mod)
I didn't reply to Kathryn's pm. I chose to reply on the forum, so there'd be no mistaking what I said.
I wrote:
It has been suggested by one of the moderators that I edit my post. I am not going to do that; my post will remain as originally written.
And that was the last post I made at NAFPS. I was banned the morning of June 29 and over seven months later, I'm still banned.
Originally, I couldn't even get on the forum. Kathryn had completely banned me. I sent Al Carroll (educatedindian) an e-mail, asking what was going on, wondering why he was giving Kathryn NicDhana so much power and authority at NAFPS.
From: al carroll
Sent: Tue 6/29/10 5:46 PM
To: Bonnie Singleton
She gave you a week of no posting. That's not a ban.
Though the blocking of you from reading the forum at all is unnecessary.
Your later remarks are ridiculous. They sound identical to what Lekay and Yeagley's people used to say.
I let four weeks go by before I e-mailed Al again. Wondering if he'd forgotten about me. No response. Three days later, I forwarded that same e-mail to him. Still no response. Haven't bothered to contact him since July 2010.
Comments
Twila Barnes
Twila Barnes One thing I have learned over the years is the most likely person to get banned on a "Cherokee" forum is a real Cherokee who speaks the truth and the most likely person to get banned on an "Indian" forum, is a real Indian who speaks the truth.
Bonnie Singleton
Bonnie Singleton It's been upsetting. Several have been banned. Others aren't participating any longer because of the way the site is being run. NAFPS has lost credibility.
Gerald Tieyah And people wonder why I stopped posting there only a short time after it opened up again.
Tachia Sandoval NAFPS lost a lot, if not all, of their credibility when al carrol allowed kathryn price to have the authority over members and the control of the site .. a moderator should not be allowed to use such a site as a platform for their own very personal vendettas
Beverly Isaac The non-indian should never overide an Indian, on an Indian for Indians site!
I am 4/4 Comanche, and I was banned
Bonnie Singleton Tachia, I agree with you completely. Tired of staying quiet and doing nothing while they continue to tell their lies. Can't believe I've bit my tongue this long. People need to know what is really going on at NAFPS.
Bonnie Singleton What I do have a problem with is people who lie about themselves and/or others. People are afraid to voice their opinion on NAFPS. If it differs from the powers that be, there will be retaliation. You're either going to be banned or threatened.
I wouldn't advise going to NAFPS and posting any of this. Would definitely be deleted and you'd probably be banned. If you continued to speak the truth, you would be lied about and threatened.
Steven Crow Messenger WOW i never knew any of this went on there. It is truly sad to see a site meant for truth be twisted into something else.
Bonnie Singleton Something needs to be done, Steven.So much has changed in the past year. Definitely not the NAFPS it used to be and that is unfortunate.
Russ Letica Theres one thing they can not take from you or ban you from Bonnie, and that is your Truth. Any Forum who stifles anyone's truth isn't a Forum anyone should want to be part of.
Frank Farmer Al and his firiends are the frauds.They are a bunch of self hating white people who have a compulsive need to call themselves Indians. They are so self hating they refuse to accept reality.
Frank Farmer Sorry having DNA doesn't mean anything. I have almost equal DNA parts black, native and European. I am a person not a race and I refuse to be identified as anything except my nationality, Canadian. What my ancestors were is totally unimportant to me. They lived in the 19th/20th century, I live in the 21st. As far as NAFPS they are just angry white people who hate being white.
Bonnie Singleton Frank, not everyone on NAFPS is a self-hating white person with a compulsive need to call himself an Indian. There are some Indians on NAFPS, not many but there are a few.
Bonnie Singleton There was a time when NAFPS presented research and not opinion. Nothing was moved from Research Needed to Fraud unless there were documented facts. Opinions seem more important than facts these days. Anyone else with a story to share? Posts edited? Comments deleted? Banned? Lied about? Threatened?
Frank Farmer Have you seen this site, NAFPS has lots of enemies http://newagefraud.blogspot.com/...
Bonnie Singleton Those who have been a topic of Research Needed or labeled as Frauds have always gone after Al Carroll and Company. Over the past year, it is not only the frauds who have been speaking out about NAFPS, but those of us who are/were members of the forum. It's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas.
February 10, 2011 at 12:48pm ·
Steven Crow Messenger What would be nice for a new site would be something that does not directly accuse anyone of fraud but instead just presented the facts and let the reader make their own call. Being objective and non biased is the key to good journalism.
Bonnie Singleton The reason I started this discussion was to expose the corruption on NAFPS. There are so many people who look to that forum for guidance, to know who is and isn't legit. People need to know that they can't rely on things reported by Al Carroll and Company.
Frank Farmer Folks who have followed NAFPS must realise that the people who run it are all phonies.
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. indeed! .. "now it's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas." .. i agree completely with your post.
Bonnie Singleton The hidden agenda is far more sinister than selling books and movies or trying to be a European Indian expert.
February 10, 2011 at 4:09pm · 2
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. exactly! .. the truth does not fit with their little agenda now does it?!
Frank Farmer The truth is something that Al and his friends avoid at all costs. Al's book has been taken apart by academics and Indian vets. I read the reviews, plenty of historians and researchers are highly critical of biased use of sources. I have seen some rather nasty personal info on Al.
Frank Farmer Some of the blogs are quite negative, he pissed off lots of Indian vets.Al is the real imposter, he's not spokesman for vets and he's not a credible historian. The only thing I can say about Al is that his little cult worships him...
Frank Farmer Isn't Kathryn a Celtic pagan?
Chris Miller i used to read a lot on NAFPS, but never posted even once, and they banned me .. .. the reason they gave was that each member was only allowed to have one profile, and they seemed to think that i was actually just an alias for Tachia...ban anyone that is even remotely friends with the people kathryn and al hate, that seems to be the norm over there .. .. silence those who disagree with you .. real "educated" huh? .. sounds pretty petty and childish to me .. ..
Tachia Sandoval bonnie, you were banned because kathryn price did not like you and your research that found the truth of the "oh so very secret investigation" .. and al let her do it all .. .. lol .. ..
nah seriously i know what you mean .. i wonder that too, can kathryn and al even give a REAL reason? .. i doubt it .. nor can they give a REAL reason for banning me .. or chris .. or anyone else! .. .. my posts are ALL there for anyone to see as well .. and there is NO REAL reason for them to have to banned me either! .. and certainly no REAL reason for them to have banned chris who really never even posted .. ..
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No, it’s a warning to keep your mouth shut. Here is how it works. If you shut up and go away they will leave you alone with just the bs fraud label on the net. If you speak out they will call you every name in the book, make up more stuff and add another visible post about you on the net. If you shut up and go away they remove the post on the net. If you speak out again the post goes back up and more posts appear and then they move to other tactics to get you to shut up or to discredit you. These are two of them first the edit job and then the casual name drop in another thread. The person with their trigger finger on the edit, delete, block, ban and internet button is the global moderator who also spreads bs gossip about you to discredit you further and they will just keep it up until you shut up and go away and if you don’t they will turn to other measures and add more silly bs info about you. I can just picture it now...”Cate Crow, that sinister racist misogynist wacko Nazi poser retired history teacher who dislikes her own native family dared to write about New Age Essiac and Chaga tea when they are both over a century old giving credit where it was due! 😱 She sold it at a lemonade stand on the corner of her street for 5 cents a cup with oatmeal and raisin cookies 🍪 and is now writing ✍️ about Dandelion and Milk Thistle tea ☕️ and stating why it is good for your liver! 😱 The public must be warned! She must be stopped 🛑 FBI most wanted poster to follow”...
Ignore it. Ignore them.
I don't trust him or her as far as I can throw them. He just set up a "fake coronavirus treatments" thread after I said what I did on the complaint board and mentioned the teas in it. Those teas are not going to do squat for the coronavirus and were meant as a FU. They are probably going to scour my Facebook page now and look for any herbal remedy I wrote about to friends that I am personally going to take if I get this since nothing will work except time and a ventilator and say I am "selling" them to the public. I'm just putting this out there in case that is where he's headed. ..and now I am going to ignore them.
It does. However, I am more concerned with with the coronavirus right now and not the carrollvirus. I have even stocked my kitchen cupboard with Essiac and chaga tea ☕️ and have invited all my associates to join me for a cuppa 😝
Must be a slow day in the fake fraud squad office of Big Al and his Big Pharma associates in Germany.
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What group trying to "defend the sacred" lies continually, puts up fake lists, crawls into bed with a pharma backed group in Germany and their seedy associates and uses a hacking server off the coast of Somalia? I know and you know. Unfortunately, other people out there have no clue.
They just renewed their safety certificate after it lapsed for several years. They are still with a server that is notorious for hacking and attacks.
They also went in and edited what they actually said and what I actually said on the night in question as late as July 30, 2019. The edit post feature is in small print under the post. Unreal.
Make that Nov. 7, 2019 with the edit job. If they think they stopped me from writing historical articles for free at a free local community newspaper that I volunteer for or that any money was ever made by writing these articles or that there were ever any victims involved not only are they pathological but delusional as well. I know who to consult with locally when it comes to native issues. I am not the one who is waving my native DNA or distant ancestors around on the net like it means something. I am not the one who did poor research on the subject. I am not the one calling people names. I'm not the one involved with a pharma backed group in Germany who laughs at even acupuncture when it is the oldest form of Traditional Chinese medicine. I'm not the one with a hacking server. Those two are right about one thing. Natives do know better. Too bad neither of them qualify.
Al Carroll is now putting my name out there with some woman Heather Principe who has absolutely nothing to do with me and who I don’t know. My “associates” OMG. My family in Winnipeg knew Don Cardinal and my nephew works with his cousin Douglas Cardinal. How did this guy get to be a prof?
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They are calling themselves a non profit organization now? A legitimate non profit organization is registered, has a circle with R or C beside the name with a full address and phone number, fax and proper e-mail address.
NAFPS has none of that.
A legitimate non profit organization does not name call, does proper research, does not intrude and disclose private information, does not put others in a false light, and it certainly does not hack into computers or mess with emails. There is nothing legitimate about this website.
Not only has my computer been hacked along with family and friends who have nothing to do with this but they have redirected interac bank e transfers sent to me in my e-mail for child support to a fraud site. I have had it with this fake front for criminal activity! Any apology I wrote is null and void! [removed]
Al Carrol and NAFPS are trolls with an agenda... One asks how they find soooo much time to be on the internet doing what they do.. Who pays them? I wonder who pays them... I mean Mr Carrol eis a US army vet and now embedded within the US educational establishment... the Community College NOVA where he is assisant professor was given the thumbs up by Obama and that is supposed to convince us they are OK... hahaha Obama is just a puppet and all the US establishment does is look to divide and conquer.. so Al Carrol is just a minion for bigger agendas, covert operations and scams designed to divide and confuse the population, in this case the Native American community.
I have my own convictions in this case... check this blog to see more (as I don-t want to fill this comment with a long dirge)
Much Miller
https://muchmiller.blogspot.com
Nuagefrauds are an online group of trolls that fire at anyone they fancy without ever making proper investigations. At times they may get it right ... I mean if you fire enough rounds and spray the shots in all directions you are bound to hit the target at some point but at the end of the day there is a lot of colateral damage. Maybe that is the kind of thing AL Carrol learnt in the US military? I know for a fact of various cases of people being attacked by that forum and having problems as a result and on NAFPS they published information, names, addresses, emails etc of such people without any form of legal proof of them being guilty of the kind of things they were accused of online. In my opinion this site is part of a bigger agenda. The article published on the following link explains more.
https://muchmiller.blogspot.com
libel
Slander, Libel, Defamation, Hate Speech, Racism, Lies etc.
12 Libel Suits including from The Fulbright Institute to President Al Carroll
Al Carroll
Educatedindian
Barnaby McEwan
Administrator
Michael Davids
There are many many people offering their knowledge and experience for herbal cures and NAFPS likes to slander and criticize this and even try to make it some kind of copywrite of Indigenous peoples... I feel, as long as people respect then is good to use herbal remedies and to receive this kind of wisdom. However NAFPS is not what it seems, it falls into a pattern that has been observed in many areas.. i.e. it is a classic disinformation site designed to confuse. It is part of a bigger agenda. See the following article for more.
https://muchmiller.blogspot.com
That fraudulent web site /blog NAFPS whatever they call themselves. Filled with lies and untruth about anyone who don't agree with them. Including Katz who got upset with me because I got blackindians.com before he did. He did not recognize when I met him at a book showing in NYC and we actually danced and drummed for his event in support for his book. The Jewish None Native man self made authority on Black-Native Americans has insulted me and others a few times. Telling us who we are and what we are not. Along with the numb brains who put that fake organization together. I'm shocked at how many people actually believe in those guy's post. I have been investigated 3 times and needless to say we are still going strong and bigger than ever because of our integrity we stand strong. They never found me to be doing anything wrong with money or misleading anyone and I never will. I am clear in how we present our tribal group. And 98% of our tribal members have Native Heritage. And most have taken DNA test and prove even as low as 1% Native blood. Those guys that post that garbage usually are not even natives themselves. I will tell you that "Frank Farmer" use to be a member of our tribal group and was kicked out because he was practicing racism. And when I confronted him about it, he vowed a vendetta against me and the tribe. So we see that post. And while it is damaging, we know why it was posted. We will not promote hate and we will not promote racism. We did not then and we will not now and we never force anyone to walk the red path that we walk. But we will continue to shine and be proud of who we are without shame.
The word is spreading about this guy and his site. Their numbers have dropped way down. Very few sign up any more. They are pulling up old threads from years ago that got a lot of views because any thread they create now is getting very few views.
3 ways to tell if a site is a fake, fraud or scam site
Look at the website's connection type. A website that has an "https" tag is usually secure--and therefore trustworthy-- This is because "https" sites' security certification is a process most illegitimate sites don't bother with. New Age Fraud does not have an "https" tag
Security info. A circle with an i before www.newagefraud.org - Security information - "Your connection to this site is not secure - you should not enter any sensitive information on this site (eg. passwords) because it could be stolen by attackers". This is what is happening to those who register on the New Age Fraud site
The website's "Contact" page. Legitimate sites provide a Contact page so that users can send questions, comments, and concerns to the owner of the site. If the site in question doesn't have a proper Contact page, it should be an immediate red flag.
No Contact Information – If the website does not have a contact page, or it if does and it only offers a form to fill out or less, this is a strong indicator of fraud. Any legitimate site should have a location listed as well as a phone number and email to contact them. If none of this information is available it is a fraud site. New Age Fraud does not provide this. They provide an e-mail only "mailto:nafps_13@yahoo.com" and it comes with the same security warning as above.
New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans is a fraud website
I went to register on the site to make a comment using my e-mail. I did not hear back from them but I got this message when I went to log in to my e-mail after that
Your account has been temporarily suspended
Someone may have used your account to send out a lot of junk messages or done something else that violates the Microsoft Services Agreement.
I think New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans did something to my e-mail. Do not register with this website.
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Carroll was the creep who hacked into my wife's MySpace account, stole some photos of my 5 and 7 year old daughters and then posted them on his stupid website.Simply because I disagreed with him about some trivial issue.
Dude, you are a better man than me. I don't know how you kept yourself from doing a little hunting NDN style. I don't believe I could have mustered up that kind of strength. His time will come one way or another! Lots of non's on there thinking they either speak for Indians or know better than them what is best for them ((I just love when non's try to tell us how to live, what to think, how to vote, what religion we should or shouldn't be) Mahkwa
The email address I used on NAFPS was filled with spam mail from sex sites and fake sites after I went on the NAFPS site. I had to create a new email address.
Libel, defamation, slander, etc.
I gather im not the first and probably wont be the last.
I suspect an admin of the site to be 'hacking' my computers.
My computer was hacked. I have a police report
the email address I used on NAFPS has been filled with spam mail from sex sites and fake sites since I went on the NAFPS site and I had to create a new email address
The NAFPS website was down between March and May. An increasing number of First Nations and Native American individuals have been speaking out about the lies and hate that have taken hold at NAFPS.
you spend a lot of time insulting your own beliefs with the amount of stuff you make up about others as you go along
you guys make us do facepalms
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Al Carroll wannabe Apache fraud and crazy druid lady. Liars. Site sucks
Ya fake. we told you