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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) Fraud website

No Native Tribal endorsement or affiliation

has been removed from over a dozen servers

Administrators are not NDN

Libel, Slander, Defamation, Identity Theft, Cyber-Stalking, Computer Hacking

Former illegal and locked Esowatch site

Unethical, poor research, privacy invasion

fearmongering, manipulation, sock puppet accounts, psychologically abusive

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Al and his fake lists
, US
Oct 23, 2018 8:25 pm EDT

Missed a page

one is a Forbidden site
one had a loud siren warning and was red flagged
The Circle - put new age frauds and plastic shamans into search and no results, put Al Carroll into search and a page on measles appeared
one was a Netflix movie
more chat boards, more page not found or can't be reached or page does not exist, more articles written by other people with no mention of NAFPS
COARANN is run by one of the admins of NAFPS
another petition site
looks like no one wanted to date Al on Plenty of Fish, they were too busy talking about animal totems, spirit guides, guardian angels and Jesus Christ
Rational Wiki is the playground of Psiram
one was how to lower your triglycerides
one was a talk on the end of the world in 2012 that never happened
one was a BBC report on African witchdoctors
one was an article on Google glasses
one talked about zombies

Your references are not very convincing. Many go no where. You might want to deal with it.

Al and his fake lists
, US
Oct 23, 2018 1:03 pm EDT

The Cherokee Nation, AIM and universities are more reliable but you are not part of them anonymous wacko pretendian and psiram, esowatch phony

An Actual Native
, US
Oct 17, 2018 7:49 pm EDT

You tell me, who is more reliable? The Cherokee Nation, AIM, universities, and hundreds of others? Or the anonymous scared-to-death racists whining about being exposed who started this thread?

Natives know better. Deal with it, racist wannabes and wackos.

An Actual Native
, US
Oct 17, 2018 7:46 pm EDT
NAFPS Is Proud to Work With Or Be Used As a Resource By...

Groups and individuals that NAFPS Has Worked With, Including Those That Are Members of NAFPS and Other Activist Groups

American Indian Movement Chapters:
AIM Arizona
AIM Indiana
AIM Support Group of Northern Kentucky/Ohio
New England AIM

American Indian Heritage Support Center
Honor Nation
Iron Lodge (Native Prisoners Support Group)
Our Red Earth
Red Road Collective
Albuquerque Indian Center (NAFPS members toured Europe on a speaking tour to raise funds for them.)

Native Issues Supporters in Europe:
World In Our Hands Foundation
Fourth World

Sites that list NAFPS as a resource, work with NAFPS members, or whose members recommend NAFPS, in alphabetical order: (Native Prisoners Support Group)

Americas Indigenous People, New Age, and Cultural Appropriation

Anthropik Network

Blog Critics Magazine

Blue Corn Comics

Care 2 Make a Difference

Curanderismo Research Project

Dakota Lakota Singing


Do No Harm (Anishinaabe Activists)

Reviewer on Ebay

Engler Refugee's Homepage

Guru Ratings (Provides Warnings on Dangerous Gurus, Kind of a Hindu Version of NAFPS)

Health on Health

Indian Religion Beliefs

Internet Infidels Discussion Board (Skeptics Society)

Issues Affecting American Indians in Tennessee;article=16531

Kisikew Wiki, Indigenous News

Ladyhawk's Hogan

Library of

Native Culture Links

Native Youth Magazine (Conservation board)

Planet Twinkie

Raising Our Collective Voices (Native Woman Activist)

Red Road Collective (Anishinaabe Women Activists) (Geneology Forum)

Six Nations Reclamation Info (Urban Legend Debunkers)

Tutor Gig Encyclopedia

Waldorf Critics



Yahoo Answers

Many Pagan sites, whose members often mistakenly fell for Nuage exploiters, have turned to NAFPS as a resource.

The list of sites that used NAFPS as a resource vs exploiter James Arthur Ray:

NY Times (freelancer John Dougherty)

Chicago Tribune (reporter Daniel Simmons)

CBS News- Early Show (reporter Elizabeth Bacelar)

WNYC Radio- The Takeaway (producer David Fazekas) request for interview, unfortunately I was busy teaching at the time.

Anderson Cooper 360 of CNN (producer Ismael Estrada) same as above

People magazine (reporter Howard Breur)

Arizona Daily Star

NY Travel Writers Assn

Rodale magazine

Body + Soul magazine

Update, new sites.
Listed in it as a resource for surviving cults.
Associated Content
Autonomous Voices, seems to be a Native issues support site in French
Bad Psychics
Barry's Blog
CAORANN, antiracist Pagan site
Care 2 Groups
Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma official website
The Circle, one of the oldest Native newspapers
Computer Newbie. Then James Mooney comes on to defend himself, and gets taken down by a couple members.
Chrysalis Witch, arguing against cultural appropriation
Druid Grove
Emer Wolfrider
Ency of Plants
Evocation Magic, Pagan Site
Files Meetup
Free Base
Musings from Xavier Ashe, a post-catholic shamanic humanist existentialist pantheist that recently became a Lay Minister at the Unitarian Universalist Congregation of Atlanta.
Hal Rager
Hanksville is one of the oldest resources for information on Natives.
Home Circle
Houston Examiner
I Speak of Dreams, teaching site
Jack Mountain, Survival Training Instructor with zero tolerance for Nuage nonsense.
Professor Russell Kirkland, Univ of Georgia instructor in Religion, uses as a resource in his course Introduction to Religion in Native American Cultures.
Kola, European support for Peltier
Leaftine, a performance artist, referencing in his master’s thesis.
Making Light
Many Rivers
Maoli World, Native Hawaiian Blog
Minneapolis Tribune
Once Upon a Time in the West, nice comments.
Native American Tube
NDN Spiritual Thiefs
Nonfluffy Wicca
Plenty of Fish Forum. Dating site that uses us as a resource in their Religion section.
Rational Wiki
Reality Sandwich
Russell Means's bunch.
Religion Explorer
Religious Forums, 77450, 81497
Rick Ross, one of the leading cultwatch sites. Nice compliments about our work against James Ray.
Right Health
Rigorous Intuition
Rochester Democrat, local newspaper
If you don't know the site, where have you been?
Shaman Links
Skeptic’s Dictionary
Spirit and Sky
Stereotype Drumhop antiracist page
The Stranger, Seattle newspaper

Organization in Eskasoni, TREATY BENEFICIARIES ASSOCIATION; to find one can search the Nova Scotia database:
Trip Atlas
2012 Hoax
ULC Intertribal
Unexplained Mysteries
Univ of Southern California
Wicca for the Rest of Us
Wild Hunt
Wild Speak
Wildwood Survival
World Lingo

Internet Pillory
, US
Jun 25, 2018 2:26 pm EDT

Who is Esowatch and why does Esowatch use a pedophile server? - Hidden behind the dirty German-hatred sites ESOWATCH.COM is a criminal Internet project created in 2007 by Dr. Klaus Ramstöck (KrazyKraut?) and his wife Dr. Ing (Ingeborg?) Anja Ramstöck… an Internet pillory in the form of a wiki, a blog for censure and hate polemics as well as a forum for the coordination of campaigns, for the maintenance of their own community and for search engine optimization.

Esowatch, which belongs to the intelligence services… the BKA, BND, StaatsSchutz, to the Central Council of Jews, the Israeli Mossad, the American CIA… is now the anonymous website Psiram, which is widely believed to be financed by Big Pharma.

The creators of the anonymous Internet pillar benefit from the technical resources and the employee know-how of SyroCon Consulting GmbH ... since 2010 the subject of prosecution investigations in Germany.

People are portrayed in a manner that violates § 186 StGB (Defamation) and § 187 StGB (Defamation) in the vast majority of cases. Also systematic violations of copyright and personal rights.

NAFPS is part of this Internet pillory.

, US
May 31, 2018 8:31 am EDT

, US
May 27, 2018 10:13 am EDT

Shame on them for being complicit with Psiram which was Esowatch knowing full well what they support — libel, slander, identity theft, hate speech, cyber-bullying

, US
May 02, 2018 11:08 pm EDT

NAFPS is not a First Nation Advocacy Group, they have no tribal affiliations and act badly.

Dr. Al Carrol nor NAFPS has any First Nation affiliation nor any tribal affiliation. They have misused their opportunities with their website to run abusive campaigns against anyone they dislike or disapprove. This includes bonafide Native American Spiritual leaders or ceremonial leaders that include non-Natives in their practices. NAFPS has no entitlement to claim any authority or special knowledge of who and what has rights to Native America they have shown by their own behavior that they cannot be trusted to honestly live up to their self proclaimed mandate to abuse only non-Natives and call real Native Spiritual leaders frauds.

We humbly ask that the interview with Al Carroll be removed from the film Spirits for Sale.

Elizabeth, for concerned Citizens for Native American Exploitation and Abuse

, US
May 02, 2018 11:46 am EDT

There is no neo-Nazi page, there are no paid cybertrolls and there is no hiring rapist. The man being talked about was found innocent by the highest court in the land and his friends support him. The supposed Neo-nazi site is run by a full blooded Lakota who admitted to being a Democrat. The people who are making complaints on a complaint board are not rapists, batterers or nazis but victims, mostly female victims, of one of the biggest bullying websites on the internet. Respected elders do not endorse this group. No recognized tribe has sanctioned this site. They are violating people, and dealing with tribal issues that don't belong to them.

Nasty Al's Fake Plastic Site
, US
Apr 30, 2018 1:04 pm EDT

NAFPS is mostly run by whites from Europe. Most of the texts are from actual natives who expose these liars and howlers of disinformation and expose these harmful people. Congrats to those exposing the fraud website. You are in the same boat with real natives who are trying to expose these fakes. That's why attacks on NAFPS are happening. Trying to prevent fake sites like this that punch down and harm innocent people.

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) - false allegations, fraudulent and defamatory

false allegations were made by people using fake names and I have no idea where they even live. I contacted the admin from the site calling himself educatedindian to remove my name from his site more specifically from a page they call (Frauds: People, websites, books and events to avoid) His ways of twisting everything I wrote to him in a few emails, i...

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) unethical behaviour and slander, and invasion of privacy.

NAFPS has provided personal family information on their forum, in an attempt to invalidate Shore Charmoe and the work she is doing on her website

She is helping many people and I hate seeing her invalidated this way. Please investigate. Her family privacy is at risk and the work she is doing.

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Oct 07, 2017 2:55 pm EDT

I think it is beautiful that she has overcome her own autistic issues and is helping so many abandoned and traumatized kids with fetal alcohol syndrome.

, US
Sep 04, 2017 11:49 am EDT

This is not a good or trustworthy organization that is on the internet. It should be taken down.

, US
Sep 04, 2017 11:23 am EDT

Shore is not alone. Métis was removed as a category in the 1906 census. It didn't appear again on the census until 1991. Many had to assimilate to the dominant culture if they wanted to fit in and prosper. They were also forced to identify themselves as French or English or "white" at census time. The Lakota custom of giving a name to a person as a sign of friendship and respect or even adoption and someone saying that name is not the same as someone claiming to be Lakota. Shore has been recognized by different indigenous organizations in her area for the work she does.

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) - libel, defamation of character, racism, bullying, etc. fear mongering, psychological war fare.

I have been a spiritual teacher for many years. I lived in south Dakota, with Dakota Sioux for many years. I was married to a native American. I am being maligned and investigated by this group for no valid reason. They note the book I co wrote and state " it looks like a Public Relations" ploy. In this book I speak about my spiritual journey and the honor...

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) - libel, slander, identity theft, hate speech, cyber-bullying

The newagefraud.Org website is used primarily, but not exclusively, to slander members of native american communities. The site is owned by alton carl 'al' carroll born 1965 tx, presently employed by northern virginia community college. It is currently hosted by flokinet of iceland in an attempt to avoid further charges of libel/slander. The site i...

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) - libel

The website known as New Age Frauds and Plastic Shaman or NAFPS is up again. The website was recently removed from anonymous offshore hoster Cyber Cast International in Panama. It is now being hosted by another anonymous offshore hoster in Iceland: FlokiNet. ( [protected] [protected] ) The NAFPS website continues to print lies and...

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) defamation

Dear Sir or Madam,

while surfing on the net I found by chance my name quoted as follows on their site. I was schocked to read that my work and authorisation would be fake.

I call that defamation and I am not sure what to think about a procedure in which my name and my work are fouled on the whole net, discrediting me without giving me a possibility to explain myself or to answer. The people of NAFPS seem only very determin the lynch everybody who does share their opinion. I do not think it is Ok. The way to procede seems to me very close to the techniques of islamist people ready to kill (psychic or physically) to affirm the only life-deserving opiniion : THEIRS.

This is the reason why I am asking the shut down of the site NAFPS - which by the way was already schut down EIGHT times ... for racism, between other things. The site is now as I just read "hidden" in Panama. What for a civil courage!

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Aug 26, 2016 10:26 am EDT

Defamation Of Character Law Firm Lowell IA 52645 | Defamation Of Character...
The Family Research Council filed the lawsuit in January by an ex NAFPS member and respected NA elder who was attacked by Al Carroll

Do Not Judge
, US
Aug 07, 2016 9:10 am EDT

A brother in the Mii-Dii-Wii-An (The great Medicine Society) has said this about this issue: Are these people working for the C.I.A., or F.B.I., or something else? The old smear campaign against medicine people, divide and conquer concept. Who made these people God? How are they qualified to sit on judgment on anyone? Who qualified them, the evil spirits, powers, and forces or the Government? As they sit in judgment a much higher court is judging them.

M.M. Time
, US
Jun 27, 2018 8:02 am EDT

I'd like to state that it is obvious to me that Mr. Carroll is an obvious agent of the FBI/CIA. I have dealt with them for 20 years, and he behaves and performs by the letter. Any sociopath can be an agent for these anti-human organizations, and Mr. Carroll is most evidently a sociopath.

Native Voice
, US
Jul 10, 2016 10:14 pm EDT

we all need each other...bridge peoples and ways...lets stay in truth ...and say and do what is most helpful...otherwise we get in our own way...if this elder's council heard NAFPS they would laugh...then wonder about your disrespect...

nafps critics
, US
Apr 29, 2016 11:03 am EDT

Let me set the record straight and speak directly to this. Anyone who can put names on a list and label them 'New Age Frauds' without ever having met the people they are accusing is a coward, and has no business educating anybody about American Indian issues.


JD Walters
, US
Dec 17, 2015 8:42 pm EST

The list of individuals defamed by Al Carroll and the NAFPS site would be very long if complete. Al Carroll and his crew of fellow NAFPS bigots say they "take pride in being called enemy". Yet Al Carroll routinely blames all criticism on one individual - David Yeagley, John Martin, Suzanne Dupree, John LeKay, etc. It's hard to keep track of the targets of cyberstalker Al Carroll's hate. Northern Virginia Community College will regret hiring Al Carroll before long. Ward Churchill was obscure before his 9/11. When his hate drew attention to his academics and claims of ethnicity he was quickly discredited. But anyone who had actually read anything he wrote over the years already knew he was a joke academically. Just like all the people posting here. I hope Al Carroll finally gets some of the attention he seeks because it will be the end of his career at NOVA.

Alberta Plains
, US
Aug 07, 2015 12:59 pm EDT
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I would like to add Cate Crow to the list of individuals who have been defamed by NAFPS along with Algonquin medicine woman Nora Walksinspirit, Algonquin medicine man Pete Bernard, Spiritual Healer Nancy Huber, respected native healer Tis Mal Crow who passed some time ago and can not even reply to them.

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, US
Aug 07, 2015 12:17 pm EDT
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Petition calling on Northern Virginia Community College to investigate the conduct of assistant history professor Alton Carl Carroll

angry about stupidity
Brooklyn, US
Apr 11, 2015 5:38 pm EDT

They are in it for the money and cant talk about others.

Doug A.
, CA
Feb 03, 2015 7:16 am EST

"NAFPS has a few real Indians posting there. Most of the folks there are Wannabes and phonies, themselves, though--trying to curry favor with real Indians.

So far as they "expose" real Indians who aren't towing some party line concerning what should or should not be shared with others, I could care less, anyway. I'm for Indians doing anything they wish. If they want to believe in or preach New Age philosophy or Christianity or traditional medicine, etc., etc., I just don't care. Who are non-Indians to tell them what they should or shouldn't do? That site is such a joke! NAFPS has definitely lost credibility. Too driven by personal relationships and agendas. And egos. No one wants to admit when they're wrong or have made a mistake."

from Real Indians

Doug A.
, CA
Feb 02, 2015 10:17 am EST

know you are not alone. Check out the comments in NAFPS libel and NAFPS Identity Theft. A defamation complaint board fits right in. The more people who are aware of this terrorist group and their sick methods the better.

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New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans (NAFPS) fraudulent and defamatory

I found that my business reputation and name are being defamed by this entity known as "NAFPS" and "Al Carroll" inadvertently by doing a search on I have a physical business location offering licensed Massage Therapy and am additionally licensed in Minnesota to offer Wellness Consultations, offering Food as Medicine, where I've helped hundreds of clients in good faith, often for no charge reverse and assist with given diagnosis. I have had an extensive amount of education including herbal studies in part, massage school, and my grandmother worked with me a young girl developing intuitive abilities.
When I perused this information, I was shocked! I have a website that I pay for and people often search the internet to seek out references and make sure there is no bad press! There is NONE about me whatsoever; including NONE at my physical business address in a small city where I would have been removed long ago in a very conservative community!
I feel that I am being disparaged, defamed and that my stellar reputation is suffering the result of this fraud.
I am entirely sure that I am aware of the person who submitted this to Mr. Carroll (Kandi Hodges Adams) who resides in Lathrop, California and is angry that her mother, my grandmother indicated to the family before her passing in 2010 that our family genealogy included an African descendant. I was told this as a child that I have African ancestors and Etna E. Floyd disclosed it to the entire family before her passing in Minnesota in, I believe it was 2010. Kandi Hodges Adams, whose name is also submitted on the photographs of Etna E. Floyd, her biological mother is full of hate and contempt at my success of nearly 35 years of study of natural healing and my successes at helping others and was angered at her being viewed as "attacked" on my Facebook personal page where she was a "friend" until I removed her as she was making statements on her page that I was her niece and that I was "...not a Shaman." I have invested my entire life in this work; it's my passion helping other people; the majority of it has been at no charge until I recently when as a solo mother and my son graduated this past year I put together a website at: offering my services to the virtual community. She intimated that she was on the phone seeking to disparage my reputation for which I am greatly affected.

I would sincerely appreciate any and all help I may receive in this regard; I am at a loss as to what to do about this and how somebody can post this kind of thing?

Please contact me via email or telephone if there is a way to discuss this and recommend further what I may do to stop this individual: Kandi Hodges Adams.

Very truly yours, Karen L. Pringle (was unsure how to choose file/attach) this is the link.

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Jan 26, 2017 4:11 pm EST

3 ways to tell if a site is a fake, fraud or scam site

Look at the website's connection type. A website that has an "https" tag is usually secure--and therefore trustworthy-- This is because "https" sites' security certification is a process most illegitimate sites don't bother with. New Age Fraud does not have an "https" tag

Security info. A circle with an i before - Security information - "Your connection to this site is not secure - you should not enter any sensitive information on this site (eg. passwords) because it could be stolen by attackers"

The website's "Contact" page. Legitimate sites provide a Contact page so that users can send questions, comments, and concerns to the owner of the site. If the site in question doesn't have a proper Contact page, it should be an immediate red flag.
No Contact Information – If the website does not have a contact us page, or it if does and it only offers a form to fill out or less, this is a strong indicator of fraud. Any legitimate site should have a location listed as well as a phone number and email to contact them. If none of this information is available it is a fraud site. New Age Fraud does not provide this. They provide an e-mail only "" and it comes with the same security warning as above.

New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans is a fraud website.

, US
Jan 17, 2017 8:17 am EST

NicDhana who was Yells at Pretendians but is now using other titles on the site and off --just like Al-- should direct her own"whitesplaining" to Carroll when she says in bold letters--


this is in regards to a DNA test where a woman learned she was "26 percent Native American, " --- just like Al Carroll ---

"having some matching genetic markers from ages ago doesn't mean you have the lived experience to become part of that community."

The evidence so far indicates that Al Carroll is not enrolled or recognized by any Apache tribe.

For further information call [protected] or [protected]
BIA Office
Mescalero New Mexico 88340

NicDhana "whitesplaining" anything to any Native American or anyone with Native American ancestry is insulting. It's bad enough that she thinks she speaks on behalf of all with Celtic heritage.

Proud Irish American
, US
Jan 29, 2017 8:59 am EST

NicDhàna's hypocrisy

Yet another lying (or just ignorant) culture vulture who misuses "Celtic" to mean "white appropriator pretendian. But one of my ancestors was named O'something or McSomething. And I read a book." Fail. Kathryn NicDhàna
[i]"It will always amaze me that this term, this path, has developed any sort of a following at all. When Kathryn NicDhàna, Paul and I were sitting among their books one night and Kathryn, we think, first uttered the term in the context of such a path, my thought was "This is perfect, it's so unromantic and cumbersome that no one else will want use it!"
[i]"As one of the founders of the Celtic Reconstructionist (CR) ( movement, I guess it's time I quit procrastinating and respond to this. :) The guy you're quoting is not CR, and does not speak for me, or for the other Reconstructionists I work with."[/i]
[i]"In my late teens and early twenties, I spent a few years as an eclectic Pagan. I think it's actually a healthy phase to go through when one is young and searching, but I personally think it's a sign of maturity to focus more as one ages, and commit to a tradition. It's not for everyone, but that's how it progressed for me. One of the reasons I became frustrated with the fantasy and rootlessness of so much of the Neopagan community is because I also became involved with traditional cultures such as Hinduism, Afro-diasporic traditions, and First Nations/Native American people. But then I got drafted by my ancestors and their Goddesses, so it was CR for me."[/i]
[i]"The thing is, there are community definitions for what does and doesn't fall within the parameters of religious reconstruction, at least when referring to particular traditions. I think those of us who started a particular branch should certainly have a say in what it means, and that has generally been supported by those who have participated in building the tradition(s). The problems have mostly come from those who've come into it later, and wanted to re-define it."

She who sits on her high white horse swinging swords and axes who was born and raised in America who dabbled with everything from Wicca to Hinduism to African based religions and Native American which had nothing to do with her own culture finally decides to go back to the old country of Ireland where some of her family came from and decided she was going to be a Celt. Not only did she have to learn about that and read books but on top of that decides with a group of American friends that she was going to create a whole new religion for Celtic people (CR) and if they don't know as much as she had to learn or even make up then they are not Celtic but "white appropriator pretendians". Carroll and NicDhàna make a perfect pair.

Black Wolf USA
, US
Mar 16, 2017 10:54 am EDT

I want to say that the people who run the "New Age Fraud" site are mostly white people who call themselves Native activists. Kathryn NicDhana is a big troublemaker as is Sky Davis and Annika Banfield. These people are straight up liars and are frauds themselves who need to keep their white noses out of Native matters.

, US
Mar 23, 2017 11:16 am EDT

Alton Carroll would not know a Powwow or healing circle if he tripped over them both. An Elder classified Alton as a Benedict Arnold.

Alton Carroll is simply a terrorist on American soil.

His web-site nafps is nothing more than a self proclaimed witch hunt and should be banned by every search on the net.

If you have been attacked by this man or his group, you should call the Northern Virginia Community College Campus Police Dept and file a complaint against him

Al Carroll and his mods are compulsive liars and a disgrace and a dishonor to All Tribes of the Red Road.

WARNING: Do not engage in any on-line dialog with Carroll or nafps

Little Creek
Little Creek
, US
Aug 26, 2017 2:29 pm EDT
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I watched some of the accused try to defend themselves. Their posts are edited to suit NAFPS accusations. Then they are banned from the forum so they can not defend themselves. They are ignorant of Native Cultures and are based in Europe. However they are expert with Google.

, US
Sep 04, 2017 5:07 pm EDT

I read this letter. Is he a sociopath?

I am writing about at the very least, an immoral act… a disturbing issue that has come directly from my being interviewed. A person called Alton Carroll, is maliciously attacking me, personally and professionally.. He has gone as far as, posting what he thinks is my home address and he has caused others, as well as myself, deep concern… concern for our personal safety. As I read his postings that are sent to me, I see that his attack on me…you, and others, as well, is becoming more personal and more and more bizarre. I am deeply concerned about Carroll’s social terrorist style of character assassination. It appears as he has “no-social conscience” and that he has some morbid plan or agenda… because he wants to disconnect anyone from ending the real reasons for the suffering of Native American people… He is blatantly disregarding, laughing at any responsibility of any collateral damage that results from his unsubstantiated attacks on anyone and that this damage is of no concern to him.

Alton Carroll displays himself – as an anti-social, fearful and hateful racist person, who is capable and bent on destroying anyone who gets in his way! I, nor the people whom I help, are not collateral damage of the attacks by Doctorate Alton Carroll.

Cate C
, CA
Nov 01, 2017 10:07 am EDT

they also know how to hack into computers, facebook accounts, my space accounts etc. I can't stress this enough, do not go on their site to confront or talk to them using your personal computer, your e-mail and password. There is something else going on here. It is not safe to go on their site for any reason.

, US
Mar 23, 2018 9:44 am EDT

She didn't start a new religion. She got a phrase from a book written in the 1970's by Margot Adler who used the term "Pagan reconstructionists" and she substituted the word Celtic for Pagan. That is her claim to fame, substituting a word in a term already used by another author. Academics and scholars were already reconstructing all things Celtic long before Ms. Price and her friends came along on the scene in the 1980's.

nafps critics
, US
Dec 22, 2016 5:31 am EST

a person's 'real name' is not necessarily the one on any government document - the thousands of Natives whose 'real names' were ignored, changed, hidden...
I am Native American. Al Carroll and his gangsters are ruthless liars. Native Americans have their own spiritual integrity without the need of the false rantings of libelous Al Carroll who does not support any bonafide Native American spiritual tradition. Al Carrolls tradition is his own aggrandizement of our Native American plight on non-consensus among our selves. There are no Native American spiritual leaders that support Al Carroll for good reason.
I am a retired history professor and I would never let Al Carroll teach a class any more than I would invite David Duke to teach.

Genealogy Report
, US
Aug 07, 2016 3:46 pm EDT

Al Carroll - no American Indian connection on paternal side. On the 1940 census his maternal grandparents are listed at San Antonio TX, race: White .. but that does not mean they were White.

Sky Davis - maternal grandparents were Italian and Lithuanian. Her paternal grandparents were from Texas .. same as Al Carroll's maternal grandparents.

NATIVE AMERICANS LISTED ON FEDERAL CENSUS AS "WHITE" STOLEN "IDENTITY" STOLEN "HERITAGE" The United States Census Bureau (Officially Bureau of the Census as defined in Title 13 U.S.C. § 11)
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This is where DNA tests for your heritage lines are coming in handy. We can prove through our bloodlines we are Native Americans. Unfortunately that is upsetting many NA who only go by the Dawes rolls. Sad that so many NA turn our own away.

Why does Al Carroll point the finger at family members listed as "White" when his own "White" family had a DNA test to prove they had Apache ancestry. Sky Davis should not point fingers when there are questions with her own ancestry. Kathryn NicDhana and the non's on NAFPS should not be pointing fingers at all.

Native Voice
, US
Jul 10, 2016 9:55 pm EDT

The NAFPS site was down between April and June. An increasing number of First Nations and Native American individuals have been speaking out about the lies and hate that have taken hold at NAFPS.

Ted Thomas
, US
Mar 04, 2017 6:06 am EST

those who know this group don't have good things to say about them

nafps critics
, US
Apr 26, 2016 10:00 am EDT

Hadn't been to nafps site for quite some time, but looks like that you discovered for yourself the very same things many others had taken note of: "indulging in venomous verbal abuse, psychological invalidation, blame shifting, libel, twisting, projection, omitting and deleting other peoples posts and words repeatedly to create a false impression".

I for one do recognize a Native voice, when I hear it. One that doesn't enable New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans have their parasitic fingers in the pie, trying to make a name for themselves selling their books, films and tours and further more; trashing other innocent Native people's reputations in the process without any ethics what so ever. Getting so cocky about it too laughing in the face of all the damage this has caused.

When he first came online, Al admitted to not knowing much about the drop of Apache blood he had and yet he is now speaking for all Apaches? I am amazed, did he learn all of this online or in those expensive colleges he has went to?

why are most of nafps critics ndns? No one is trying to fool anyone here. I for one am not terrified of nafps or hate you, just your methods.. bullying people, ridicule, mocking, libeling legitimate ndn elders and sun dancers is not the right way. Women should be respected in ndn culture. Not viciously attacked. They are life bearers, mothers and our sisters. There are many ways to criticize with out resorting to this kind of abuse.

"They should leave most of these matters alone. The European nafps members have violated many tribes boundaries in a paternalistic fashion. They think they know what is best for the tribe when they making accusations at members. On or off the rez. Many respected Indians do not live on the rez."

There is not one legitimate, respected, well-known native leader who endorses this group.

, US
Apr 29, 2018 1:04 pm EDT

you missed these

Al Carroll deliberately attacks real Indians, even our elders, to draw attention away from his own questionable Indian lineage.

Carroll was going around telling people he was Mescalero-Apache. We asked where he gets his Indian blood from and he side-stepped the question. In his updated bio he is no longer claiming to be Mescalero-Apache. I find that odd. Every Indian I have had the pleasure of meeting can name their tribal ancestry in a few seconds.

Carroll is still out there acting as if he were a spokesman for us Indians. He is not. I have learned from the people I have consulted within my own tribe that Carroll pulls these bizarre stunts to inflate his already over-inflated ego.

Carroll runs a website that has blatantly disrespected and even attacked innocent people.

Nobody has the right to proclaim themselves "experts" in Native spirituality. Carroll needs to apologize to the Native Community for speaking out of line. He is not the voice for Native America, consequently, he should stop speaking on our behalf.

Who is he to demand anything from anyone? Carroll needs to apologize to the Native Community. He's lied to so many people it's sickening.

Time and time again, we find that non-indians are easily taken in by these hucksters.

Why does he and his little hate-site indiscriminately attack real Indians who are simply practicing their Native spirituality? I don't buy into his witch-hunting propaganda.

Al Carroll is a menace to the Native Community. He does more harm than good.

Al Carroll likes to name drop AIM, he does this to make it look as if he is some militant, pro-Indian activist, again, nothing could be further from the truth. Carroll's site has been shut down several times for violating just about every internet defamation regulation in the book. I can see someone getting kicked off a forum or chat room, but to get kicked off the internet, that takes some doing.

No recognized tribe has sanctioned or blessed him and his site. Not one.

nafps critics
, US
Apr 26, 2016 7:53 am EDT

From what I read so far, this group nafps has done very little to help the major problems that are pervasive throughout Indian Country. This man Dr. Al Carroll seems to be desperately trying to make a name for himself as an Indian activist. I personally know Russ Means and Dennis Banks, Dr. Carroll is no Means or Banks, by any means. This topic is about an alleged Apache who has been abusing his 1st Am. Rights. Dr. Carroll has posted in other forums and he seems to be a trouble-maker. Dr. Carroll should personally visit some of the American Indian reservations and get a grip on what needs to be done. His constant and unprovoked "witch-hunts" are unequivocally useless to contemporary Indian needs. Dr. Carroll is not part of the solution, indeed, he is a major component of the aggregate problem. Why does this man Dr. Carroll not go to various reservations and personally address real, legitimate Indian issues? From what I am told, Dr. Carroll visits Europe quite frequently for reasons unknown. If he were really concerned about the plight of the American Indian he would have tackled these problems long ago. He had his chance and he lost it. Dr. Carroll is a has been, a man who has very little Indian blood, he is a liability to the Native Community. He is just plain wrong for Native America.

nafps critics
, US
Apr 26, 2016 7:48 am EDT

DR AL CARROLL: QUOTE I have my father's last name, and he's Irish. My mom's side is Apache. There's no reason Harlyn would know me. Like about half of all NDNs I'm not enrolled. I've always been open about that.

APACE WOMAN: Apaches (all bands) are matrilineal. This means that we identify ourselves through our mother's bloodlines, clans and such. Whenever I meet another Apache or Yavapai I introduce myself and announce my mother's name and grandmother's name. My grandmother's name is one that most tribal members recognize to this day, though most know my mother too. Of course I have a different last name than my mother and grandmother due to marriage, but still I announce my mother's and grandmother's names.

My question is why wouldn't Harlyn Geronimo or Wendall Chino know your mother by her maiden name? Or even her mother, your grandmother? This should be common knowledge at Mescalero especially amongst the members still residing there.

And another thing, what gives you the right to do all that you have done in judging the Indianness of others over at You're not enrolled and certainly haven't announce how you descend from such a great people - The Mescalero Apache, except to say, "my mother". Well, announce her name and that of your grandmother because that's what we're taught to do when introducing ourselves. You're attempting to make a name for yourself on a national level and claim to speak for the "Apache" nation of which there is none because we're all independent bands, with independent governments, united by a common culture and language and you certainly don't speak for my nation, got it!

nafps critics
, US
Apr 07, 2016 7:27 am EDT

Is Sky Davis Native American?

Cherokee Solidarity AKA Sky Davis is a Liar, she herself is not Cherokee. She has been claiming this false identity for years.  Saying she is of the Eastern Band.  She is not Indian. A little strange for her to be pointing fingers.

Lucie Bernbach
Funny thing is, turns out one of the accusers was a fake Cherokee. Sky Davis AKA Christine Sonya Davis AKA Christine Weed was proven a fake after this story got out. People in glass houses

nafps critics
, US
Mar 30, 2016 3:45 pm EDT

Bonnie Singleton -

I've read New Age Fraud and Plastic Shaman for several years. I joined the forum in March 2008 and was an active member until June 2010. My research has been thorough, always backed up with sources and documentation. I've never been inflammatory and never posted trivial nonsense. I always thought of NAFPS as a working forum, not a social message board. Somewhere along the way, I got on the wrong side of one of the moderators.

I was banned from NAFPS because of comments I'd made in a thread about the Dawes Roll.

I got a pm from Kathryn suggesting that I edit my post. The pm was also sent to Al, Debbie Redbear (another mod)

I didn't reply to Kathryn's pm. I chose to reply on the forum, so there'd be no mistaking what I said.

I wrote:

It has been suggested by one of the moderators that I edit my post. I am not going to do that; my post will remain as originally written.

And that was the last post I made at NAFPS. I was banned the morning of June 29 and over seven months later, I'm still banned.

Originally, I couldn't even get on the forum. Kathryn had completely banned me. I sent Al Carroll (educatedindian) an e-mail, asking what was going on, wondering why he was giving Kathryn NicDhana so much power and authority at NAFPS.

From: al carroll
Sent: Tue 6/29/10 5:46 PM
To: Bonnie Singleton

She gave you a week of no posting. That's not a ban.

Though the blocking of you from reading the forum at all is unnecessary.

Your later remarks are ridiculous. They sound identical to what Lekay and Yeagley's people used to say.

I let four weeks go by before I e-mailed Al again. Wondering if he'd forgotten about me. No response. Three days later, I forwarded that same e-mail to him. Still no response. Haven't bothered to contact him since July 2010.

Twila Barnes
Twila Barnes One thing I have learned over the years is the most likely person to get banned on a "Cherokee" forum is a real Cherokee who speaks the truth and the most likely person to get banned on an "Indian" forum, is a real Indian who speaks the truth.
Bonnie Singleton
Bonnie Singleton It's been upsetting. Several have been banned. Others aren't participating any longer because of the way the site is being run. NAFPS has lost credibility.
Gerald Tieyah And people wonder why I stopped posting there only a short time after it opened up again.
Tachia Sandoval NAFPS lost a lot, if not all, of their credibility when al carrol allowed kathryn price to have the authority over members and the control of the site .. a moderator should not be allowed to use such a site as a platform for their own very personal vendettas
Beverly Isaac The non-indian should never overide an Indian, on an Indian for Indians site!
I am 4/4 Comanche, and I was banned
Bonnie Singleton Tachia, I agree with you completely. Tired of staying quiet and doing nothing while they continue to tell their lies. Can't believe I've bit my tongue this long. People need to know what is really going on at NAFPS.
Bonnie Singleton What I do have a problem with is people who lie about themselves and/or others. People are afraid to voice their opinion on NAFPS. If it differs from the powers that be, there will be retaliation. You're either going to be banned or threatened.
I wouldn't advise going to NAFPS and posting any of this. Would definitely be deleted and you'd probably be banned. If you continued to speak the truth, you would be lied about and threatened.
Steven Crow Messenger WOW i never knew any of this went on there. It is truly sad to see a site meant for truth be twisted into something else.
Bonnie Singleton Something needs to be done, Steven.So much has changed in the past year. Definitely not the NAFPS it used to be and that is unfortunate.
Russ Letica Theres one thing they can not take from you or ban you from Bonnie, and that is your Truth. Any Forum who stifles anyone's truth isn't a Forum anyone should want to be part of.
Frank Farmer Al and his firiends are the frauds.They are a bunch of self hating white people who have a compulsive need to call themselves Indians. They are so self hating they refuse to accept reality.

Frank Farmer Sorry having DNA doesn't mean anything. I have almost equal DNA parts black, native and European. I am a person not a race and I refuse to be identified as anything except my nationality, Canadian. What my ancestors were is totally unimportant to me. They lived in the 19th/20th century, I live in the 21st. As far as NAFPS they are just angry white people who hate being white.
Bonnie Singleton Frank, not everyone on NAFPS is a self-hating white person with a compulsive need to call himself an Indian. There are some Indians on NAFPS, not many but there are a few.
Bonnie Singleton There was a time when NAFPS presented research and not opinion. Nothing was moved from Research Needed to Fraud unless there were documented facts. Opinions seem more important than facts these days. Anyone else with a story to share? Posts edited? Comments deleted? Banned? Lied about? Threatened?
Frank Farmer Have you seen this site, NAFPS has lots of enemies
Bonnie Singleton Those who have been a topic of Research Needed or labeled as Frauds have always gone after Al Carroll and Company. Over the past year, it is not only the frauds who have been speaking out about NAFPS, but those of us who are/were members of the forum. It's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas.
February 10, 2011 at 12:48pm ·
Steven Crow Messenger What would be nice for a new site would be something that does not directly accuse anyone of fraud but instead just presented the facts and let the reader make their own call. Being objective and non biased is the key to good journalism.
Bonnie Singleton The reason I started this discussion was to expose the corruption on NAFPS. There are so many people who look to that forum for guidance, to know who is and isn't legit. People need to know that they can't rely on things reported by Al Carroll and Company.
Frank Farmer Folks who have followed NAFPS must realise that the people who run it are all phonies.
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. indeed! .. "now it's run by a small group with a hidden agenda. They have lost all objectivity. Their actions are guided by personal vendettas." .. i agree completely with your post.
Bonnie Singleton The hidden agenda is far more sinister than selling books and movies or trying to be a European Indian expert.
February 10, 2011 at 4:09pm · 2
Tachia Sandoval bonnie .. exactly! .. the truth does not fit with their little agenda now does it?!
Frank Farmer The truth is something that Al and his friends avoid at all costs. Al's book has been taken apart by academics and Indian vets. I read the reviews, plenty of historians and researchers are highly critical of biased use of sources. I have seen some rather nasty personal info on Al.
Frank Farmer Some of the blogs are quite negative, he pissed off lots of Indian vets.Al is the real imposter, he's not spokesman for vets and he's not a credible historian. The only thing I can say about Al is that his little cult worships him...
Frank Farmer Isn't Kathryn a Celtic pagan?
Chris Miller i used to read a lot on NAFPS, but never posted even once, and they banned me .. .. the reason they gave was that each member was only allowed to have one profile, and they seemed to think that i was actually just an alias for Tachia...ban anyone that is even remotely friends with the people kathryn and al hate, that seems to be the norm over there .. .. silence those who disagree with you .. real "educated" huh? .. sounds pretty petty and childish to me .. ..
Tachia Sandoval bonnie, you were banned because kathryn price did not like you and your research that found the truth of the "oh so very secret investigation" .. and al let her do it all .. .. lol .. ..
nah seriously i know what you mean .. i wonder that too, can kathryn and al even give a REAL reason? .. i doubt it .. nor can they give a REAL reason for banning me .. or chris .. or anyone else! .. .. my posts are ALL there for anyone to see as well .. and there is NO REAL reason for them to have to banned me either! .. and certainly no REAL reason for them to have banned chris who really never even posted .. ..

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