Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com’s earns a 2.4-star rating from 0 reviews and 11 complaints, showing that the majority of timeshare owners are somewhat dissatisfied with membership and resources.
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TUG2.com
I saw one of my timeshare weeks listed for rent on TUG. I had not listed the week and had not authorized the listing. I contacted TUG to tell them this was a fraudulent listing and requested them to remove the ad. After a month, and after submitting proof of my ownership to them, TUG continues to have the fraudulent ad listed. Their comment was that this ad was placed by a long time member. In my view, that is not a valid reason to now be a participant in a fraudulent scheme. Beware.
How ironic that a group that is supposed to help people avoid fraud in the timeshare industry is now an active participant in fraud in the timeshare industry.
Desired outcome: Removal of proven fraudulent ads on TUG.
Brian Rogers hosts a scam website tug2.net
Brian Rogers is a myopic snake in the grass and has the temper of a toddler. He hosts a website called TUG2.NET and if you have any questions or comments he doesn't like, he'll react inappropriately, unprofessionally, and be disrespectful in the manner he speaks to you. He does NOT honor his word and will take your money and scam you through the TUG2.com site.
They misuse private data of users who've already signed up through his website(s).
Brian Rogers/TUG did not honor the membership we paid for to use this site. It's a lousy site and a total scam.
Desired outcome: Brian Rogers and TUG2.NET should be looked into and/revoke this person's license if he is in fact a "broker"...The misuse of this certification is a dangerous one
Run by a sophomoric group of self aggrandized idiots
Subject of many scams (read the rest of the reviews); they allow any user to co-opt the entire site and libel other owners in order to reduce the competition. Then they have the stupidity to accuse the innocent owner of scamming the site with absolutely no proof whatsoever.
Do not use this site! Your e-mail is at risk for all manner of scams and libel.
It is run by a group of folks who know nothing about security and afre barely literate in technology.
Is Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com Legit?
Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com earns a trustworthiness rating of 86%
Highly reliable. Use their services with confidence, yet trust but verify.
We found clear and detailed contact information for Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com. The company provides a physical address, 2 phone numbers, and email, as well as 5 social media accounts. This demonstrates a commitment to customer service and transparency, which is a positive sign for building trust with customers.
Tug2.net has a valid SSL certificate, which indicates that the website is secure and trustworthy. Look for the padlock icon in the browser and the "https" prefix in the URL to confirm that the website is using SSL.
Tug2.net has been deemed safe to visit, as it is protected by a cloud-based cybersecurity solution that uses the Domain Name System (DNS) to help protect networks from online threats.
Tug2.net you are considering visiting, which is associated with Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com, is very old. Longevity often suggests that a website has consistently provided valuable content, products, or services over the years and has maintained a stable user base and a sustained online presence. This could be an indication of a very positive reputation.
Several mixed reviews for Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com have been found on various review sites. While some customers have had positive experiences with the company, others have reported issues with their products or customer service. It's important to read and consider a variety of reviews before making a decision to purchase from this website.
However ComplaintsBoard has detected that:
- Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com has been found to only resolve 36% of 0 negative reviews, indicating a lack of commitment to addressing customer concerns. Many customers have experienced long wait times for responses or resolutions, unhelpful or inaccurate answers to their questions, and a lack of follow-up or updates on the status of their issues.
- We conducted a search on social media and found several negative reviews related to Timeshare Users Group / TUG2.com. These reviews may indicate issues with the company's products, services, or customer support. It is important to thoroughly research the company and its offerings before making any purchases to avoid any potential risks.
timeshare scam
I signed up on the Timeshare Users Group (TUG2) at the beginning of June 2019, and it all seemed to be OK for me, and I even paid for ads in the Timeshare Market.
I kept reading on the TUG2 Forum, and people there seemed to be so happy and grateful with the Group.
Most reviews I read approved TUG2 as being a remarkably trusted site for timeshare owners. But my dream turned to be a nightmare this last month 'cos I became a victim of scammers. These scammers took my information from TUG2 but how?
The only site I know I summited my private data, and my timeshare information was in TUG2 website, so, they are the ones who are responsible for what happened to me. I won't get my money back but I least, I can prevent others about the dangers of joining TUG2.
I have quit the Group, and I suggest you do the same before it's too late.
If you need to make sure about what I assert here, please read it all by yourself on the Internet. Just type "TUG2 is SCAM, " and that's it!
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timeshare resale brokers on tug2 - scam users group
TUG2 Timeshare-scam user group at Orange Park Florida
Some years ago I published my complaint against TUG2 (Timeshare Users Group). They never paid my money back, and I know they will never do it. The only thing I want is to warn other people about this TUG2 Timeshare Scam that remains as an untouchable and wealthy family manipulating their members' data for their convenience.
TUG2 is private data misuse.
I´m too old, and it is not my choice to stay at home. I´m not in proper conditions to sue this family of scammers. Nonetheless, I still can use my hands to visit some more Blogs on the Internet to share my experience in the hope that it will prevent others to avoid being scammed by TUG2 owners as it happened to me.
My complaint on scam report in 2012 remained unnoticed, and for my regret, I see this TUG2 or Tugbbs as strong as it always has been.
I don´t understand how they manage to eliminate everything that could be of proof about their criminal history.
Don´t you please think this is some stupid attack on them.
You can visit the scam report official website and read my old complaint, and some else's as well.
Another thing I want to clarify before you read my old complaint is the following: It might look like a robust and offensive assertion against TUG2 owners; nevertheless, you might go ahead and search a little more by yourself on the Internet. There is much more out there I sweare you will be astonished by the serious facts related to them.
I know that TUG2 owners must have improved the way they operate and finish transactions which always result in their favor. I assert that somehow they developed and organized some brilliant business circle where timeshare users are led in as though it were a farm for the preparation of it all.
A can support my assertion with the Link Below:
https:///link removed/
Not received my rentals
I have been life time member of the company in 2013 under reg no TUG 5573. I have paid the amount in 2013 of Rs 49000/- they said they would be sending me the email against which type of resort u r looking as rental income. almost three have passed i have not received the single email about the same. When tried to contact over phone [protected]/6513352 they inform that this board number and they cannot transfer the same, after that there is no call form there side. From last 15 days i am trying to contact them no one lifting the phone.
I request yourself to kindly look into the said matter and get my amount refunded with interest from last three years @ 24% p.a.
sandeep dhaddha
[protected]
My e-mail address associated with a scam by TUG
Before joining TUG to try and rent a timeshare week, you should read what happened to me and proceed with caution.
I joined TUG (Timeshare Users Group) on February 19th, 2015 in order to list a timeshare week I was attempting to rent. I posted a week to rent at Wyndham Vacation Resorts Great Smokies Lodge the week following Easter. Everything was going great until I received an e-mail from the a TUG administrator stating “We are going to need you to supply us with scanned copies of your reservation information showing you as the registered owner for the intervals you have listed in the TUG marketplace. We have placed all of your ads on hold pending the receipt of this info.” I therefore sent them the confirmation letter but asked them if this was normal. The response was “This does not cover anywhere near the number of ads you have posted.” I replied that I was very concerned that maybe someone had hacked into my account and that the Great Smokies Lodge was the only listing I had posted. I asked for additional details, but heard nothing.
I therefore starting doing some digging into I could find anything that my TUG account had been hacked. So I decided to Google my e-mail address, [protected]@gmail.com and found this post on the TUG BBS as the first listing. “RENTERS BEWARE: John Marzano AKA Beautiful Home, [protected]@gmail, [protected]@gmail”. Here is a link to the posting: http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224203. It turns out the other John Marzano was trying to scam people who had posted to the Wish Ads, which allows renters to request someone rent them a specific week. After reading this, I immediately sent the TUG admins an e-mail trying to get them to remove my e-mail address from the posting. I also asked them to refund my $15 membership fee since obviously I want going to be able to rent my week. I tried to convince them that even though both of us shared the same name, I was not the scam artist. However, I guess they couldn't comprehend that two e-mail addresses associated with the same name don’t have to be the same person.
Here is the response I received: “We have actually reported your transaction(s) thru our merchant account as well as the local Atlanta authorities for your attempts to scam our customers. Will let you know how that plays out =)”. I told them that was great and gave them all of my contact information to pass onto the authorities in an attempt to clear my name. Unfortunately I have not heard anything back from the authorities or from TUG.
I have contacted several lawyers to see if I could take legal action, but the upfront expense is just not worth it. I have rented several weeks before through other means and never had any issues. I have used the first part of that e-mail address (jncmarz) for over 20 years. I’m not real happy of having it directly associated with a scam. But apparently that is of little concern to TUG.
Another thing that bugs me is that the individual who created the libel post, Denise M., also runs her own timeshare rental business. There is a link at the bottom of the post that points to her website www.denisetravels.com. Some people might view having someone who runs a timeshare rental business and is responsible for pulling rental ads from TUG as a conflict of interest. But I guess TUG doesn’t.
So why have I posted this rather long story you might ask? We’ll it seems one of the few ways I could get the truth out there. Denise has linked my name and e-mail address with a scam and I don’t have any way of getting it cleared. I’m not saying that Denise was wrong in getting the word out about [protected]@gmail, I just wish she would have done a little bit of research before trashing my reputation. If it happened to me, it can happen to you as well.
Conning people for Membership
I wish to inform the public that following company in Goa is cheating innocent customers like us by telling lies and giving false commitments and conning people into paying money in their bank account.
The Timeshare Users Group (Unit of Royal Goan Holiday Resort Pvt. Ltd.)
Joalda Apartments, Landscape Builders, Naikavaddo Calangute - Goa 403516
Landline: [protected]
Mobile: [protected]
Their marketing executive Ms. Natasha kept phoning my son for 4 days with an offer that if he pays Rs.10, 000/- as membership fees for joining their Timeshare Users Group, they will sell his unutilized 6 nights-7 days vacation to a French couple who needs the same urgently. They guaranteed him that if he puts Rs.10, 000/- in their bank account, by same evening they will transfer Rs.49, 000/- to his account towards exchange of the 6 nights-7days.
They sent him an introductory mail explaining benefits of membership etc. Then he asked them to confirm the offer of Rs.7000/- per day in writing, which they did. Then some Ms. Melisa called him saying that she is Head of Quality and “guarantees genuineness of the offer”. She also promised a 3 nights – 4 days free stay at their resort in Goa.
Ms. Melisa also sent an sms on 13.11.13 reading as under (saved in my mobile):
“Gud morning sir, this is Melissa (timeshare users group). I hope u will send me the details, payment today as I have already blocked the clients. Plz respond back. Thanks.”
My son deposited the money on 13.11.13 for credit to their Bank account in HDFC Bank - Candolim Goa Branch believing their offer and sent them the details along with a completed registration form. Then Melissa called back at 4 pm on same date and informed that verification will happen on 14th morning and by 14th evening the amount of Rs.49, 000/- will be transferred to my bank account.
On 14th Nov. their verification person called. On asking, she told my son that their registration process will take 4 days and after that the amount of Rs.49, 000/- will be transferred.
Sensing that they are frauds, we asked them to refund my Rs.10, 000/- but they are giving funny excuses, like my son has signed their registration form and have to abide by their rules. They have stopped responding to our phone calls..
Based on this bad experience, I checked on the internet and realized that this company has conned many people in the past which can be seen by visiting the link below:
http://www.consumercourt.in/travel-agent/35977-cheated-royal-goan-holiday-resorts-private-limited.html
We all need to be very careful with these so-called time share people.
GK Singh
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Yes.The modus operandi is the same. These people are cheats . After paying them a membership fee in 2013 they did not sell my timeshare as promised, then gave a variety of reasons like slack season and lack of tourists which was the absolute untruth for the year 2014
In 2016, I put in a request as member for booking a hotel for my personal holiday in December end which they said was difficult but eventually sent me a name of a south Goa beach hotel booking for 4 nights . When we made the travel bookings and asked for the vouchers the cat came out of the bag that actually No Booking was available for the 3 persons that they had sought the personal details for the booking.In no way there is any credibility of these people.Today in November 2018 i am trying to see their notifications and holiday offers on their website, the website is itself removed. the johnnies have bolted with the monies. Goa and such schemes are now crossed out for their credibility for timeshare sales and earning anything thereon. Rent out your timeshare yourself or enjoy it yourself but don't bring any of these sleazy persons into the scene forever...S.D.Mulye (MUMBAI)
Hello,
One of the Officers by name Ms. Pooja at Give and Take Holidays (Timeshare Owners & Users Group) called me and promised that she would help in renting out my Timeshare moment I register with them. I paid Rs. 15, 000/- towards registration charges on 20th July 2015. I should have got the rental amount the very next day of Rs. 49, 000/-. Till today, I have not got any amount and they are not ready to refund the registration amount in spite of several calls and emails. Now, if I try to visit their Website, it says that the URL has been expired on 16th June, 2017.
Address: G-4, Joalda Apts., Naika Vaddo, Calangute, Goa - 403 516
Tel: [protected]
My name is Deepak Jagannath and Registration ID is GNT (O) 8123.
How do I get the refund?
Thanks and Regards,
Deepak
-[protected]
I also received similar promises for 3 years.. They took 15000 from me and after there customary letter confirming my membership.. I have never heard from them.. They promised me s ready family interested in hiring my holiday week for 60000/- and the moment I paid them there membership fees.. All calls stopped.. It's been 2 years
The company in Goa is hoax and looting the people
Don't trust these company.. they all are fraud.. I also got the call and mail.. I told them if you have ready customer and booking also conform collect the money from customer and deduct your membership and pay me remaining amount.. but person (Nisha) disconnected the call.
Calling person details...
Nisha
[protected] Mobile [protected])
Give and Take Holidays
( Timeshare Owners Group )
anybody got paid. can we trust this.
I faced the same issue from these ### timeshare group..Did anyone get paid back atleast only 12500/- or 10000/-
If yes please mail me to lostwayback@gmail.com for the procedure to get back the money (registration fee)
TUG Membership
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HOLIDAYS
Attachments1:16 PM (55 minutes ago)
to me
Dear Sir,
As per the telephonic conversation had with you, you can pay Rs.10, 000/- for lifetime registration in our company where we have assure you rentals up to 7000/- per night towards your accumulated weeks in Country Club resort and complimentary free stay in Goa for 2/N and 3/D.
This will be only one time payment for lifetime and there will be no annual renewal fees. Once we receive your application forms and the membership fees of Rs 10, 000/- we will immediately process with your rentals towards Country Club Holidays.
The actual cost of the registration is 12, 500/- but as a special offer we are offering you a lifetime membership for Rs 10, 000/-
We have Ready customers who wants to urgently utilize your Country Club Holidays accommodation as we have bookings. All you have to do give us your accommodation on rentals.
As an assurance we provide you money back guarantee
For any reason if our company fails to provide you rental Inquiry then we will fully refund your membership fees of Rs.10, 000/-
Bank details
Account Name : Timeshare Users Group
Account No : HDFC Bank [protected] Current Account
Branch : Candolim Goa
IFSC Code : HDFC0001256
Thanks
Natasha
Timeshare Users Group
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Ravindra Reddy Attachments1:30 PM (42 minutes ago)
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: HOLIDAYS
Please be aware that this Company ( Royal Goan Holiday Resorts Pvt) is NOT IN ANY WAY connected to the Royal Goan Beach Club or Royal Resorts (both part of the Karma Royal Group).
If any member of the Royal Goan Beach Club is concerned with any matters pertaining to their membership they should contact the Odyssey department (Membership services) in Margao - [protected]/01-09 or email odysseyindia@odysseypremier.com or myself: - webchecker@royalperspective, com
Regards
Susan
for and on behalf of Karma Royal Group
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Terrible attitude
I paid for membership, but didn't receive any acknowledgement. After 2 hours (remember, this is online electronic payment), I started a dispute about the payment. The business responded very aggressively, saying that they didn't even get to the office until noon and that I needed to just wait. Absolutely terrible approach to customer service. These people don't do anything to promote confidence in their company. C'mon...they say they're running a business but don't even get to the office until noon?
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer's satisfaction.
Both the fact that we are not open until noon on weekdays, and that the payment option he chose did not provide instant access were clearly displayed on the joining page yet he still chose this option over the instant access option right next to it that would have provided him access to the site the moment he paid. The instant access secure payment system is used by 99% of members who join TUG without issue for 10+ years.
For convenience, we do provide individuals the ability to pay directly with paypal, but in these cases we have to process those payments manually, and that fact is displayed on the joining page.
In this case, the user was not satisfied with the option he chose, and was refunded his money that same day.
Fraud and scam
I joined this website, 'TUG', for the sole purpose of warning its members about the fraudulent practices of a company I used to work for, Universal Marketing Solutions, in Delray Beach, FL. I felt compelled to warn all timeshare owners who check this company out on the internet, with the hope that they will be spared the grief of being ripped-off as many already have been.
Also, I've been able to post valuable information about the company and its personnel, along with appropriate reporting measures (names of local agencies), and suggestions as to how to obtain a refund. According to the 'rules' of TUG, a member is not permitted to duplicate post. Realizing that not all rules are valid and appropriate in such exigent circumstances as the broadcasting of valuable information, I nevertheless posted the same helpful information to several threads concerning Universal Marketing Solutions.
The reason I did this was because I wasn't sure if a member reading one particular thread would in fact read another, or all threads posted about Universal. So I do this, and the next thing I see is an angry e-mail from the TUG Moderator who probably is the sole proprietor of this useless website. It appears to be a one man show, and the loser's name as it appears on the site is B. Rogers. This clown removed my duplicate posts, depriving TUG members of the benefit of my inside information, and thereby opening the door for more members to be victimized by Universal and other timeshare scam outfits of the same ilk.
After I defended my position in a return e-mail correspondence to this mindless buffoon, he proceeds to play e-mail 'tit-for-tat' with me for the next three hours. Apparently, he has nothing better to do with his time than play stupid little games, and his behavior is evidence of a hypocrite who, rather than demonstrate concern over the security of his members and timeshare owners in general, he would rather entertain himself by reading their horror stories posted on his (TUG) website. And in deleting my duplicate posts under the pretense of 'following TUG rules', he is in fact hurting his own members that are relying on his website for as much protective information as possible.
Bottom line...TUG - Timeshare Users Group is a WORTHLESS ENTITY, run by a HYPOCRITE. I should also mention that this creep advised me that he is friends with the administrators of various complaint websites, and that he would have my posted complaints removed. I challenge him to do so, in the interest of freedom of speech.
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
The crook has done a good job in creating the TUG website. Initially it looks honest, but then he says a small fee is reasonable. Then you need to join, the user will also see immediately methods of payments with credit cards symbols. Initially he says, "Never, never ... pay anything upfront", then there is a small fee, using the cover of "if it is only a small fee". Crooks come in various flavors, watch out.
I think the response is from the same crook. If people want to make money, they can always do that in an honest manner, Karma always comes around, whether you do good or you do bad. That is the way life is. I am old enough to have experienced it many times in my life.
same stupid [censored] from the "Timeshare Avenger" (that his/hers other screen name) . You keep ranting this crap when the problem was with you..
TUG is one of a few place you can get the truth about timeshare and timeshare sales rip offs..
We read your post on universal and appreciated the warning and insite, the info was very useful and I am sure some have benifited from it.
but as most tuggers know you NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, ever pay a upfront fee to any sale company more than say 25 to 45 dollars.. period..
so your mindless drumming about tug is a waste of time..
and you did not JOIN.. you just signed up for the free BBS section of TUG.. so you are not a "member" and most likely not worthy of membership..
good day my man... how go play outside with the other kids and play nice.. :)
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Tug - timeshare users group - worthless organization run by a hypocrite
I joined this website, "tug", for the sole purpose of warning its members about the fraudulent practices of a company i used to work for, universal marketing solutions, in delray beach, fl. I felt compelled to warn all timeshare owners who check this company out on the internet, with the hope that they will be spared the grief of being ripped - off as many already have been. Also, i've been able to post valuable information about the company and its personnel, along with appropriate reporting measures (Names of local agencies) , and suggestions as to how to obtain a refund. According to the "rules" of tug, a member is not permitted to duplicate post. Realizing that not all rules are valid and appropriate in such exigent circumstances as the broadcasting of valuable information, i nevertheless posted the same helpful information to several threads concerning universal marketing solutions. The reason i did this was because i wasn't sure if a member reading one particular thread would in fact read another, or all threads posted about universal. So i do this, and the next thing i see is an angry e - mail from the tug moderator who probably is the sole proprietor of this useless website. It appears to be a one man show, and the loser's name as it appears on the site is b. Rogers. This clown removed my duplicate posts, depriving tug members of the benefit of my inside information, and thereby opening the door for more members to be victimized by universal and other timeshare scam outfits of the same ilk. After i defended my position in a return e - mail correspondence to this mindless buffoon, he proceeds to play e - mail "tit - for - tat" with me for the next three hours. Apparently, he has nothing better to do with his time than play stupid little games, and his behavior is evidence of a hypocrite who, rather than demonstrate concern over the security of his members and timeshare owners in general, he would rather entertain himself by reading their horror stories posted on his (Tug) website. And in deleting my duplicate posts under the pretense of "following tug rules", he is in fact hurting his own members that are relying on his website for as much protective information as possible. Bottom line. . . Tug - timeshare users group is a worthless entity, run by a hypocrite. I should also mention that this creep advised me that he is friends with the administrators of various complaint websites, and that he would have my posted complaints removed. I challenge him to do so, in the interest of freedom of speech.
Hey Cheeseburgers, want to sell your timeshares? What are you waiting for? Call Universal Marketing Solutions right away!
Hey Idiots,
When I read gibberish like yours, it just makes me laugh. You stooges are dumber than a box of rocks. Meatheads, all of you. After all, what kind of a ###s would be stupid enough to invest in timeshares in the first place? I now regret having made the effort to help you slobs, and feel that maybe Universal Marketing Solutions and other such rip-off companies, SHOULD continue their operations, just to teach you buffoons a lesson. It's the humble victims I feel sorry for, not the horse's ### like yourselves who don't appreciate my efforts and instead, have the nerve to criticize me for challenging your worthless "TUG" community, and its restrictive rules that hinder the efforts of posters like myself to provide you with information for your benefit. I hope that you all continue to suffer embarrassment and loss at the hands of Universal, and continue to be stuck with your worthless timeshares. You deserve no less than this. By the way...Universal has got some hot buyers with offers for your units...just give them a call ASAP and cough up those credit cards, Meatheads.
Your Superior,
Timeshare Avenger
First off, who's angry? You perhaps? Me? I'm in a state of Nirvana exposing the likes of Universal, TUG, and witless ###s like you who defend such creeps! And contrary to what you say, I make PERFECT sense.
You are no doubt, that idiot moderator/administrator from TUG himself, or one of his equally ignorant and distasteful goons. Apparently, your lack of intelligence and insight into this matter, plus the fact that you are probably one of those idiots foolish enough to invest in a timeshare in the first place, destroy YOUR credibility from the get-go.
Threatened? Have I threatened anybody, other than to take direct action by legally exposing them? Wrong again, my little foolish friend. Perhaps your own case of paranoia is getting the better of you and distorting your perceptions.
You know nothing about me or my real motivations for temporarily taking that job, what I have done immediately prior, or what I am doing right now...I could've, no doubt, remained retired if I had chosen to, and also no doubt, could probably buy a slob like yourself at least ten times over. Nazi Germany had "rules" and so did communist Russia. Did that make them correct or appropriate?
Let me tell you something, so pay attention if you are able to...nobody cares what you think...and the bottom line is, that TUG is preventing all of its members from receiving a valuable warning message that otherwise might have spared future victims.
You should call Universal Marketing Solutions and discuss the marketing of your timeshare with them. You would be a prime candidate for there program.
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer's satisfaction.
Firstly he never joined TUG, he merely registered on our free online forums at www.tugbbs.com . When doing so each and every one of the 32, 000+ (and tens of thousands of others in the previous versions of the forums) has to agree to a set of posting guidelines.
One of these guidelines is not posting duplicate messages in multiple sub-forums thus cluttering up the board that already has hundreds of thousands of pages worth of posts. A volunteer removed his duplicates, and sent him a polite private message informing him of his rules violation (his original message was and still is present on the site), feel free to read it. This is where he began his downward spiral by verbally attacking the volunteer using terms that would make a drunken sailor blush. His absurd diatribe and increasingly obscene comments carried over into email for what seemed like an eternity. Ending with cowardly threats of physical violence if someone would simply "come down to south florida and meet up with him in private"
I am not sure how or why people think that somehow rules dont apply to them, but it certainly is no excuse to act like a child when the rules are enforced. Nor does it make TUG hypocritical in enforcing the rules he and every other member there agreed to upon registering.
TUG has been in business for over 15 years as one of the only sites on the internet that provides the timeshare OWNER a voice, as well as information you wont find anywhere else that will let you make the most of your timeshares.
We are not however in the business of arguing with lunatics, but in this case the facts needed to be presented!
I am so sick of all these companies that tell you they can help you get rid of a bad investment like a timeshare. I don't care what company it is. Don't give any company money up front. Don't join any group that says they will help you or support you. I have found through many weeks, days and hours of talking to these so called companies, whether they be a resale or a company that says they can sell or get you out of the deed are all a bunch of Scamers. We are stuck people and unless we contact our FTC (Federal Trade Commission we will continue to be stuck with the unwanted burden of this timeshare liability. Maybe if all of us contacted the resort we bought out timeshares from and bombarded them with so much mail, email and clogged up there thousands of telemarketer phone lines we can get them to take us off the list. I will find a way out of this someway, somehow, but I refuse to pay someone for their advice. Give me a break.. Contact the resort in writing and tell them you want to opt out of your timeshare deed. Keep sending them phone calls, letter, emails or what ever it takes until (someone higher up) like the corporate office or contact the States Attorney Generals office where you bought the timeshare from. Maybe then we can get some relief. I don't want to pass this burden on to anyone else. I don't want my children to suffer after I am gone for the mistake I made. Get rid of your timeshare any way you can. Donating it can work but be careful The DFC charges around $2500 to help you get your name off the deed. It takes about 8weeks. Then there are other companies that will charge you $5, 000 to take it off your hands and turn around and sell it to a resale place. They make double the money and stick it to a undeserving person. So maybe I will pay $2500 to get out of it. I figure I will only live 22 more years so why waste $22, 000 more dollars. $22, 000 minus $2500 is saving me $19, 000. That is if the fees don't go up anymore, which they always do
In addition, I neglected to state that TUG states the "phones are usually answered between noon and 4 pm EST." Any company who makes this kind of statement is screaming DO NOT give away your hard-earned money, especially to them i.e. TUG. Timeshares are indeed a waste of money. I do not sell or rent them, and I am not involved with any particular company. I am a wary and informed consumer. If you get involved with these types of people or companies, then buyer beware, as they say.
A website like complaints board, etc., are great for unsuspecting potential purchasers timeshares or timeshare resales, or even timeshare advertising for that matter. However, with just a little bit of effort one can find that TUG has been operating several different websites under many names. They simply keep changing them. Also, TUG states that the $15 is a one-time fee. That is not true at all. The $15 is for the first year only. With regard to rules, why abide by them if the company or its representatives are deceptive. Then, the rules no longer apply.
I completely agree. Just to avoid such situation, I asked them to send me a mail from your official TUG domains. They did.
Finally I got a call yesterday, and they gave me my TUG membership number.
But still, I can clearly see the difference in their treatment, before you become a member and after.
TUG is bull-###. They calls you 100 times before you become a member, with lots of promise. After you transfer your money, you won't get a single call. Everytime you call, they will say: "You will get a call from customer care before 5pm today". If you hear that, just laugh on yourself, and assume you have lost your money.
I have been wondering if TUG is a legitimate site as I have left phone messages and emails but have not received a reply. I'm willing to join and list my timeshare but I have been worried that TUG too might be a scam... Any hints on how to really talk to someone or who that person might be? I know it's a long shot to sell a timeshare...but I have to try. Grateful for any insight on this query and any other effective advice for listing a timeshare (other than with the unscrupulous companies out there!)
I have negotiated out of my timeshare without any charges whatsoever. I did it direct with the resort even though they had previously refused to cooperate. In order to help others I have published how I did it on a simple website with a once only charge of $39 for full step by step instructions. I can't claim my winning method will work for everyone but where it does the relief is amazing. Have a look at it on www.timesharemiseryended.com. email me if you want more info at highgrovebarns@hotmail.co.uk
"A timeshare never gets paid off, even if your mortgage is paid off, you will NEVER stop paying maintenance fees. "
This is true of anything we own...be it a house, a car, a timeshare, a bike...there is always maintenance required to maintain the condition of that which you bought. As a timeshare owner...my average expenses per night in a 2br condo is well under what a super 8 motel would cost me...and that's factoring in purchase price and maintenance fees (and i did purchase a small amount of what I own from the developer)...but I've been an owner for 7 years and have learned how to use what I own.
As to many of the other points in the last post...1)no one on TUG things of timeshare as something to buy in order to make a profit...but many of us KNOW...from first hand experience...that in using timeshares, we're able to travel in nicer accomodations for less money than we would otherwise have...and that we now travel far more often and have created far more amazing memories of good times had than we otherwise would have, 2) there have been many references to reliable resellers and market options (timeshare donations and ebay etc) on TUG...but you wont hear ANYONE supporting the use of upfront fee companies. I myself have received at least 10 calls from various companies looking to sell or rent my timeshare...and while their contracts dont promise $$$...they ABSOLUTELY tell you (verbally only) that they can get you a ton of money if you list with them...so they are not simply acting like a newspaper that wants your ad...they spout $ figures throughout the call. I've also had the misfortune of meeting several owners who've forked out those fees and been heartbroken by the fact that they paid for nothing...and many of them are older folks who were simply suckered and not internet savy enough to research the stories they were told over the phone.
As for the OP...there is a forum at TUG for info of the sort you posted. It doesnt NEED to be pasted all over the place...which is why the rule exists on multiple posts. I'm not a moderator nor do I have any behind-the-scenes connection to TUG administration...but I do appreciate the the fact that their site is organized, uncluttered, and easy to navigate. I've been a paying member on 2 different occassions at TUG. I let my membership lapse at one point but have since rejoined because I've a need to do some extra travel research and value the reviews and dont mind supporting a site that I find so helpful in every way.
Last...the complete lack of respectful communication alone would automatically have me doubt the veracity of your claims...even if I knew nothing about TUG. For your own sake...if your message is truly intended to be helpful...learn to use calm and rational communication or be prepared to have your message discarded as 'ravings' by those who may need to hear it the most.
TUG is the most useless site I have ever seen with the most ridiculous people complaining about how they can't seem to get rid of their timeshares yet "THEY ARE WORTH SOMETHING!" GET A CLUE, so many timeshare owners are in total denial about the value of their timeshares. Putting two and two together may be really difficult when you've been brainwashed by sleazy timeshare salespeople but seriously...theres a reason why people are able to get timeshare for free (JudyS) So even if you made a 200% profit on your property...guess what, 200% on free is still freaking free. Maybe they are working for a few happy timeshare owners right now...but just look 10, 15 years down the road when your paying $1500 a year for one weeks of vacation. A timeshare never gets paid off, even if your mortgage is paid off, you will NEVER stop paying maintenance fees.
The thing that is so ridiculous about TUG is that its a place for hundreds of seriously brainwashed people to share each others advice and opinions on the sketchiest industry out there. Why would any conversations that take place on the TUG forum be considered reliable when they are coming from people who think that timeshares are a good investment. Especially when the moderators always remove anything that goes against their belief. Anyone who speaks out against timeshares or says anything remotely positive about timeshare companies on the resale market, it gets removed. Talk about harboring a place where the story is completely one sided. Readers or consumers who are trying to get a well rounded idea about the timeshare industry certainly won't find that on TUG, because TUG users LOVE timeshares and think that EVERYONE should own one, but they will always tell you, "DON'T YOU DARE pay a listing company that will try and sell it, OR a company that will transfer title, because they are all SCAMS!" When its all said and done, TUG will have these "intelligent" discussion/debates and follow up with their "wonderful" advice: Post it on eBay for $1.
The TUG Forum IS the SCAM! It's a place where paranoid, in-denial, and brainwashed people can have the same conversation over, and over, and over again. And it's also a place where you can't actually participate unless you are promoting the same agenda as theirs.
And seriously, how many times does the forum have to discuss that "listing companies are a scam." We get it now, don't pay someone to advertise and list your timeshare for sale, they'll take your money and run. By the way, these listing companies very rarely EVER sell a timeshare from the websites but at the end of the day, they do EXACTLY what you pay them to do. A scam is when you are promised a service or product and they don't deliver. And listing companies don't promise to sell, they promise to advertise.
Ultimately, buying the timeshare in the first place was the scam, but since timeshare owners can't stand to admit that they actually made a mistake when they bought it, all they can do is just point fingers at other people instead of just admitting they made a mistake and do what they need to do to get out of the darn thing.
I know that TUG moderators will probably have some "defensive" comments to follow this but at least they wont be able to remove it, and for ONCE someone can actually speak their mind without it being removed by people who want the timeshare industry to live on forever.
Regards,
I'm Logical Unlike Timeshare Owners and TUG
PS: here's a little statistic for you all: Timeshare developers target middle class income families for two reasons. 1. Low income can't afford it to begin with (unless their free of course, like on eBay.) 2. High income families are financially wise and quickly see that there is no possible way that one week at a resort could possibly turn in to a profit. 3. And the high income families that DO happen to buy in to one, quickly figure out that sometimes you just fall in to bad investments and it's better to get out and lose the money than to sulk in your denial and lose even more.
LOOK ME UP: http://www.pbso.org/corrections/index.cfm?fa=blottersearchwp&requesttimeout=500&cp=C2A2466C6C9011E2EAA72D50E68EA465&start_date=12%2F20%2F2008&end_date=12%2F21%2F2009&last_name=Bailey&first_name=Charlotte&street_name=&city_name=&statute=&arrestingAgency=&recsperpage=5&process=Process+Search
concerned about the pubic giving their money away? far from the truth! an expert in the timeshare scam field? correct! due to the fact that i am still currently work for one of these scam companies and stealing money from the innocent!
Charlotte Dina Bailey, Charlotte Indina Bailey, Charlotte Indina Sweat Bailey, Indina Sweat, Dina Sweat…you get the picture right. Well after a little public records search in Palm Beach County Florida where she actually called me from I found out that this woman…if you would call her that, has a long history of domestic violence, drug abuse, prostitution, child neglect, and theft. Keep in mind this is all public information. Dating all the way back to 1983 where she caught a felony drug case that got her a small bit of county jail time and what they called drug offender probation. Well old girl didn’t learn her lesson, and violated that probation and did a little bit more jail time. Then on to the domestic violence. There were two reports of that and in both cases the court determined that she had lied. Now we have some of my favorite…more drug charges. Precious little Charlotte got pulled over for careless driving, and apparently the officer thought something was wrong and decided to search her car. Well low and behold there was enough drugs in that care to make it a felony traffic issue. Charlotte found some sad sack that would post bail and then she never showed up in court. A warrant was issued and she was later picked up on a solicitation charge…that’s right folks, prostitution. She was hauled in and she stayed at the county jail for 8 months waiting to see a judge. After 10 months they gave her time served. Hey folks it doesn’t stop there. She managed to straighten up for a bit and only received a suspended license charge. Now after that, some idiot thought that she may have some redeeming qualities and decided to knock her up, and she wasn’t a spring chicken. With an infant child named Leona, Charlotte seemed to be preoccupied and didn’t have time to get caught, until her daughter was a few months old, then the Department of Children and Family Services came in and took that little baby away. Why? Why would anyone do that? Well because Charlotte has a fondness for living in filth, not feeding or bathing the child and using a variety of drugs in her presence. Not just her but the poor schmuck Jeffery E. Hopp. They are both using drugs in front of a little baby. Charlotte’s daughter is a ward of the state, and the woman is in her 40’s. Good grief. The best part of it is that if you read in each court case, she says she was indigent, couldn’t afford a lawyer, and I am thinking to myself…what did you do with the 2, 000.00 that I gave you…oh wait the police report says that you bought crack cocaine with it….hmmm well I will sum it up: she is a filthy, manipulative, money, grubbing, lying, gutter [censored]. The state of florida is working on getting my money back. And they have her information. I take comfort in knowing that Karma is a ### and this woman’s problems are far from over.
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