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Slander, Libel, Defamation, Hate Speech, Racism, Lies etc.
12 Libel Suits including from The Fulbright Institute to President Al Carroll

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Cate C
, CA
Nov 23, 2015 2:45 pm EST


I am going to invite you to do something NAFPS doesn't seem to like to do, meet me in person over a cup of tea. Since you are coming to my neighbourhood and want to warn a lot of people about me and my Nazi connections?, I think it is only fair you meet me first, in person. Since you read about me, you will know I am a retired teacher on a disability pension. I spent years teaching native history to middle school children and spent a good part of my life fighting for First Nation rights in this country. My Cree relatives are all enrolled member of a Northern Manitoba band. Since you and I both know Nora, I will ask her to join us. Facebook message me and I will arrange a time and date where we can meet.

Cate C
, CA
Nov 23, 2015 1:12 pm EST

Now I am a Neo Nazi or know Neo Nazi's when I pasted one quote and an article found on the internet by two native americans who seem like very sincere individuals? Let me make this clear to NAFPS. I know 2 people on this board, Doug from Ontario and Linda (Alberta Plains) from Alberta and that is all. I do not know any neo-nazis nor do I hang out with neo-nazis. I am a member of the Green Party so spare me on that account. I do not and will not apologize for giving the credit to the First Nations for the origins of Essiac or Chaga tea nor do I consider them fake when they are used by naturopath doctors and credible native healers across Canada in the treatment of cancer. I will apologize for pasting an entire article with the comments attached if some of the comments come from people with far right beliefs but I do not know them. Yes, this whole thing is a ridiculous mess which could have been resolved and avoided a long time ago if I had not been blocked from replying on your board. That is why I deleted your thread and that is when you banned me. Be honest about that. If you won't let me back on your board so I can personally reply to your accusations or talk to me on this board like adults and not at me then please stop with the nonsense. This is exactly why there are so many complaints all over the internet about your group.

Cate C
, CA
Nov 09, 2015 12:05 pm EST

PS if this information helps even one cancer patient then it was worth putting up with their nonsense to get it out there to people who need it. I hope something good comes out of all of this bad. My best to all of those dealing with cancer.

Cate C
, CA
Nov 07, 2015 9:25 pm EST

They sure like to twist and lie and make up things, like I was banned for writing on this complaint board when I wrote on here two months after the ban or I was free to disagree with them when I was blocked from replying or that this is about commodification of traditional medicine when Essiac was a gift over a century ago and it is used all across Canada by healers and naturopaths, (it is hardly new age), or that I'm involved in institution"s" (plural) that practice cultural appropriation (name them) or that it is criminal to share information on Essiac. omgsrsly?

they can twist things and lie and slander all they want, it doesn't make them right. I can see the game they play. I'm sure others can too.

Another natural Native tea which has been used to cure cancer is Chaga

"In Russia and other parts of Eastern Europe,
it is considered a cancer cure. Among the Ojibwe of
northern Canada, it is regarded as a cure for tumors."

also used among the Metis

mushroom (Inonotus obliquus) Medicinal
The chaga
mushroom grows on
white birch trees,
extracting the birch
constituents and is
used to treat cancer." (Essiac is listed with Chaga on page 15)

"The Chaga Mushroom is toted as "King of Medicinal Mushrooms" rated number one on Traditional Medicines list of most powerful healing plants on Earth.   The Chaga Mushroom is used to make a healing tea and has been used to cure cancer. Chaga is the most powerful antioxidant on Earth. It has been used by Native Indians in North America for hundreds of years. Once harvested the chaga mushroom is air dried and then broken into chunks or ground into a powder. Chaga mushroom chunks are typically brewed or steeped in hot water to make a medicinal tea."  Annanda

From "First Nations Traditional Medicine Diet" By Georgina Hnatiuk:

Main staples of Traditional Diet:
"Grasses/Rhizomes/Greens : RHUBARB, Wheat Grasses, Horsetail, Plantain, Buckwheat grass, Plantain, Lily Flower and leaves, Cat Tails bamboo, Ferns, Grasses, BURDOCK, Mustards, SORELLS, Dandlions, Rose bushes, Clover, DECIDUOUS TREES {Slippery Elm}
All of these ingredients are detoxifying, tonifying and strengthening. Many are Anti-Cancer and preventative." She goes on to write:
"Sheep Sorrel Cancer Cure. Grows readily all over North America as a weed." She tells Essiac Story and shares why store brand is less effective. She goes on to write, "Chaga Fungus: Birch Fungus: Purifies blood, stops Cancer Tumors from growing".

"Roots of North American Medicine:
Essiac Tea - Four native herbs used by the Ojibwe medicine men and shared with Nurse Caisse. Western medicine still hasn't come to grips with natural medicine because pharmaceuticals are more lucrative. Money and power are deemed more important than real effectiveness and a healthy community."

"Ancestral Voices employee Hayley Doxtater said aboriginal remedies are becoming increasingly popular. She pointed to a cancer treatment — one of the traditional cancer treatments available at Ancestral Voices Healing Centre on Six Nations reserve -- a collection of herbs including slippery elm, turkey rhubarb root, burdock root, sheep sorrel {Essiac with the addition of Cat's Claw}­ — We have people come in here who are so happy that something works, ” she said. “They’ll say ‘That stuff is amazing!’"

"Mshkikiwaaboo: Weeds are Medicine
In the 1920’s: An Ontario nurse named Rene Caisse was introduced to a traditional Ojibwe medicine. This medicine would come to be known as Essiac, her named spelled backwards. Caisse would run a clinic in Bracebridge until the 1970’s, providing this herbal remedy to cancer patients with notable success.
In our backyards, the parks, forests and country near our homes is a vast collection of powerful herbal medicines that have been used with great success by the Anishinaabeg (Ojibwe and nations of the Three Fires Confederacy), Haudenoshaunee (the 6 nations confederacy of the Long House), the Wendat (Hurons) and other nations for thousands of years." J Andrew Baker, Indigenous Herbalist, Simcoe County, Ontario. (This is where I live).

When I spoke to NDN's about NAFPS, the response I usually got was an eyeball roll and a "oh them" comment. I'll end on that note.

Alberta Plains
, US
Aug 07, 2015 12:17 pm EDT
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Petition calling on Northern Virginia Community College to investigate the conduct of assistant history professor Alton Carl Carroll

Alberta Plains
, US
Aug 07, 2015 11:53 am EDT
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They changed their registration information after this complaint went public. They also changed their names to hide behind. Notice their registration does not apply to them because they routinely post false inaccurate information, defame others and are abusive to them, invade their privacy by posting their names, addresses, pictures and info of their loved ones on the internet. The copyright info was specifically done to cover themselves
due to a legal issue after this situation happened. They are already in violation of international laws:

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Alberta Plains
, US
Aug 07, 2015 11:31 am EDT
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Cate Crow did say she was not going to give any names in there after she saw her own information and the personal information of others put on display without their consent.

Withholding a source in a discussion for a reason is not plagarism. The source is in her article and her friend's book. There is also an apology for not giving the source in there.

I do not see where she said it was told directly to her. "Straight from the lips of" is an old saying. It means a direct quote from someone and can be from a book. It is pretty clear that quote came from no white person.

She obviously believes it is not fake as it helped her friends with cancer. There are a lot of people who would agree.

How is it criminal for sharing information on Essiac or writing a news story on it?  Who was pushing it onto people? There are many articles and information and testimonials on Essiac saying the same thing.

They said a white woman came up with the formula so how is it suddenly commodification of traditional medicine if a white woman made it up?

but since it is from the Ojibwe and they passed it on to the white man as a gift, what is the problem? Nurse Rene Caisse did not make any money treating people with it and neither did the author of the article writing about it.

The only thing I would advise is to see a Naturopath doctor or healer first if you are going to take it.


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NAFPS is not entitled to speak on behalf of the Q'ero Inca nation who gifted their rites to all. Would they call their own rites fraud? They are not traditional?

"The Seers rite is practiced among the North Coast peoples of Peru, (the descendants of the Chimu and Moche cultures), and by the seers and trackers of the Amazon.
The Harmony Rite comes from the lowland Q’ero, the Huachipayre people from the edge of the Amazon as do the Bands of Power.
The Healers Rite is known as the Hampe blessing and comes from the highland Q’ero people.
The Daykeepers Rite is known among the Andean Paqos as the Pampamesayok, referring to the lowlands and valleys of the ‘pampa’, and to the mesa or altar.
The Wisdomkeepers Rite is known among the Andean Paqos as the Altomesayok rite, referring to the high mountains of the Andes.
The Earthkeepers Rite is known among the Andean Paqos as the Kurak Akuyek rite, referring to the elder who ‘masticates’ the wisdom to nurture the young ones who follow.
The Starkeepers Rite is known as the Mosoq Karpay, which means the ‘new rite’ in the Qechua language. This rite announces and prepares one for the ‘time to come.’
The Creator Rites are known as the Taitanchis rite. The word Taitanchis literally translates as ‘God.’"

Alberta Plains
, US
Aug 07, 2015 11:14 am EDT
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Little Running Deer writes

The Ojibwa Indian “midewiwan” befriended an English couple who settled in Northern Ontario, Canada, at the turn of the century. The couple and other prospectors had come to the region hoping to get rich in the forested wilderness where the Ojibwa still lived according to traditional Native American ways.
The prospector’s wife developed a hard mass in her breast. When the Ojibwa healer heard of the woman’s condition, he offered a remedy that had been passed down by “the grandfathers.”
He told the woman and her husband that the remedy was “a holy drink that would purify her body and place it back in balance with the great spirit.”
Skeptical, the couple traveled to Toronto where the mass was diagnosed as breast cancer. The doctors urged immediate removal of the breast. The two were afraid and had no money for the operation, so they returned to the frontier, where the Ojibwa midewiwan prepared a brew. It is the Ojibwa expression for healer or medicine man.
The Englishwoman was to drink the brew two times a day until, as the story is told, the cancer victim’s body was “back in harmony with the great spirit.”
Twenty years later, a 33-year-old nurse in a small provincial Ontario hospital met this Englishwoman. The woman’s breast was scarred where the cancerous mass had been. When the country nurse inquired, the old Englishwoman told her how her breast cancer had been cured by the Ojibwa medicine man.
The nurse was Rene Caisse. She kept notes of the herbs that the Englishwoman told her were used in the brew. Her notes were put away and forgotten until Rene Caisse’s aunt developed cancer of the stomach and liver. The aunt’ s condition was terminal. Nurse Caisse consulted the attending physician, who said that trying the herbs could do no harm since the aunt was condemned to die from the cancer.
Her aunt recovered after two months of treatment with the herbal cure and lived 20 more years. This began rural nurse Rene Caisse’s lifelong devotion to treating and curing patients with terminal cancer at no charge—only the satisfaction of bringing condemned cancer victims back to life. The Ojibwa medicine man’s cure was never accepted by the medical establishment. Nurse Rene Caisse began what became a 60-year struggle to have the herbal mixture clinically tested and administered as a treatment for cancer.

The herbal brew that has been passed down contains ingredients well known for their curative properties. Sheep Sorrel has been used in healing poultices from earliest times. It was recorded in use in 1475 in Iceland for boils and tumors.
The extracts of sheep sorrel are rich in vitamins A, B, C, O, E, K., P, carotenoids, chlorophyll, and minerals. Japanese researchers at Nagoya University found burdock root to reduce cell mutation, and Hungarian scientists found it to adversely affect tumor growth. Chinese medicine has used burdock root for thousands of years as a blood purifier rich in vitamins B, E, P and many minerals.
Slippery elm bark contains mucilage and has been used to prevent and cure inflammation of membranes and to contribute to healing when used externally on wounds by having antimicrobial and antibiotic effects.
Rhubarb root was reported in Chinese medicine in 220 B.C. as a healing medication to remove toxins from the blood and small intestines. Rhein, contained in rhubarb root, has been shown by Japanese scientists at the Oriental Medicine Research center in Tokyo to inhibit the growth of harmful bacteria in the intestines.
To understand how a cancer cure works, it is important to understand how cancer begins and acts in the human body.
“The basic premise of all this is the change which occurs in the body caused by things that do not belong to the body, ” Dr. Brij Sood, M.D., a veteran cancer surgeon and former clinical director of Radiation Oncology at the Einstein hospitals said.
Cancer cures witnessed by the late nurse Rene Caisse and Dr. Charles A. Brusch as well as others who have used the Ojibwa Indian’s brew, prove its healing properties have conquered cancer. The Ojibwa Indian herbal tea is a natural cure that does no harm.
“The first insult to the cell is by an initiator. Then there are promoters that change the cell into cancer. That’s how science sees it, ” Dr. Sood explained.
“When change is initiated by environmental or dietary factors, then the next step is promotion. Tobacco, alcohol, ultra violet rays can alter the cell, and the cell responds by doing just what it wants to do as the body’s immune system is altered and the body’s response is altered, ” Dr. Sood added.
Describing the genetic factor in cancer, Dr. Sood explained: “There are expressive genes and suppressive genes. Suppressive genes may be absent in some people. Consider them the police. When the police are absent, genes which otherwise would have kept quiet grow. How it happens is a mystery.
“In a person’s lifetime, certain things are done to the body so that the normal healthy way of living is not there any more; the suppressor gene is gone and cancer cells grow. In Indian language, as Don Cardinal expressed it, they want to put the whole body in harmony, put the body where it belongs, acting in perfect physiological balance, ” Dr. Sood said.
Don Cardinal, a Cree medicine man from Canada, believes the herbal blend of sheep sorrel, burdock root, slippery elm bark, and rhubarb root are keys to the treatment of cancer. Don Cardinal is known as Kiweeten, or Healer of the North. “There are two more herbs that have been secretly guarded and held back when the original ingredients were passed down, ” Don Cardinal said. {those herbs are thought to be bloodroot and cleavers.} When asked by Dr. Brij Sood, M.D., then clinical director of the Department of Radiation Oncology of the Montifiore Medical Center-Albert Einstein College of Medicine, whether he knew the precise ingredients of the original Ojibwa brew, the Cree medicine man replied that he did. The additional ingredients help the main herbs interact and provide healing for the body, ” Cardinal said.“It is important that the herbs are mixed in the correct proportions, ” he said, describing the spiritual importance he placed on using 
nature’s  bounty in the right way. “When I pick  the herbs myself, I always say a prayer and make my offering of
tobacco to say thank you to the Creator for giving us these herbs, ” he said.“Even when I do not gather the herbs myself, when I buy them, in case those who gathered them did not offer thanks, I always say a prayer and make an offering before I use them, ” the Cree healer said. He shows respect in a spiritual way that is the essence of Native American healing and medicine.
“Chemotherapy kills good and bad cells. Herbs may strengthen the strong elements of the body so that the body’s defenses can take over the cancer, ” Dr. Sood said.
“How herbs affect it is beyond the scientific community to explain. They may strengthen the body’s immune system.”
This doctor with 30-years experience in treating cancer patients spoke openly and inquisitively. He listened carefully to the Cree medicine man describe, in almost the same language originally used by the Ojibwa healer, the Indian herbal drink that acted as a detoxifier: “a holy drink that purified the body.”

chemotherapy can cause cancer cells to grow

These herbs may cause an increase in cells at first in the tumor area but then the cancer cells break down and are reduced. The tumor will harden at first and then soften and then dissolve. I know of someone who watched chunks of the cancer tumor come out in his urine using this. Don Cardinal would not have suggested getting bottles of it if he thought it would only increase cancer cells. Naturopath Doctors would not be using it if they thought it would only increase cancer cells. There are a large number of testimonials.

The "mysterious professor" is Dr. Mike Thrasher head of native studies at Trent University in Ontario. He taught the PhD Native Studies program at Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario and worked in his Native community for more than 25 years on health issues.

Peg Ghost Dancer Wene writes

As to your questions about the rhubarb there is basically no difference between the two of them as far as potency goes.

Dr. M. Martin ND writes

Essiac and Type 2 Diabetes

The four-herb tea was really good.  As a matter of fact we had to put a warning in there.  People who were on insulin that were taking the tea needed to monitor their blood sugar because sometimes the pancreas would kick back in, but not all the time it would.  Let’s say, for instance, the person had been on insulin for fifteen years.  The chances of the pancreas kicking back in are going to be a lot slimmer than if a person has just come down with diabetes.  Any time we give it to a diabetic patient we have to make sure that they watch their sugar because if their sugar drops down they don’t need to be taking their massive doses of their drugs.  The tea did in fact make very radical improvements in some people that were type two diabetics.  We’ve had people come off the insulin with the Essiac, but those are people who are very strict about not eating sugar.  The problem with diabetics is that they go to their doctor and
the doctor tells them that they’re diabetic and they give them insulin shots and they go home and eat their Twinkies.  They continue to eat sugar, that’s where the problem is.  They’ve got to stop eating sugar.  And the people that will quit eating sugar, change their diet and then work with the tea and some other supplements like vanadium (they found that vanadium is deficient in diabetics), they can reverse it.  But they can’t reverse it if they won’t change their diet.  Dr. Banting, a co-discover of insulin, also found a correlation between Essiac, insulin, and the pancreas.

If they do have to take the tea with an arthritic condition, we recommend that they just add in a calcium supplement, that’s all.  Because an arthritic condition is an acidic condition and the oxalic acid makes it a little bit acidic.  Essiac can aggravate it a little bit, but it’s not harmful. People report that they’re a little stiffer, so we supplement calcium and we don’t have a problem with the stiffness. The calcium counterbalances that.  That’s what an arthritic condition is, the body is not getting enough calcium and is pulling calcium from the bones.  So you have to supplement calcium and then you don’t have a problem, unless it’s an arthritic condition caused by infection.  There’s a couple different causes, but most common is lack of calcium.”

Essiac and Cancer

"The research showed Sheep Sorrel, the most acidic ingredient at pH 4.5, to be the one herb that had a directly destructive effect on cancerous cells. 

It was discovered that one of the most dramatic effects of taking this remedy was its affinity for drawing all the cancer cells which had spread back to the original site at which point the tumor would first harden, then later it would soften, until it vanished altogether or more realistically, the tumor would decrease in size to where it could then be surgically removed with minimal complications.

In certain cases and at certain stages of the disease, the cancer would act as if it were 'coming to a head', similar to an abscess. It would then break down and slough away.  When the mass breaks, it isn't like pus but like a cottage cheese substance that comes away.  Still other types will enlarge until the mass is localized, then loosen and reduce in size until there is nothing left, having been absorbed into and carried off by the blood stream and body waste.

No matter where the malignancy may be in the human body, surgery would be much more successful after six to eight treatments of Essiac, followed by further treatments once a week after the operation for a period of three months; then there would be no recurrence of the tumor.  In the case of breast cancers, the primary growth will usually invade the mammary gland of the opposite breast or the auxilla (armpit), or both. Essiac reduced the secondary growth into the primary mass, enlarging it for a time.  When it became localized, it was encapsulated and could then be removed without danger of recurrence.  In one instance, a patient with breast cancer was instructed by her doctor to have six Essiac treatments before undergoing surgery.  After the fifth treatment, however, the cancer disappeared, with no recurrence.

It is very important to use the dosage as recommended. The herbs are very potent, and in particular Sheep Sorrel can have the effect of enlarging the tumor too quickly, so that it may burst, or a vital organ may be blocked because of its increase in size.  Sometimes the tumors will soften, dissolve into small pieces and be eliminated through the bowel or the urinary tract.  Cancer growths in the breast have been known to become encapsulated within six weeks to three months, and can then be removed surgically with little danger of metastasising in the future.  Cancers of the esophagus have also become encapsulated and removed cleanly and safely by surgery.

The following reactions may occur when treating cancer with Essiac:

a)  swelling--occurs when metastasised cells gather into the primary tumour  {increase of cells in the tumor area}

b) cottage cheese effect--resembling curds and clear liquid, occurs as the cancer breaks up and discharges from either the body orifices or from localised cysts or swellings.  A jelly-like substance can also be discharged or coughed up from the lungs.

c) more frequent passing of urine/defecation and other inexplicable discharges--occuring as the body detoxifies.  If the symptoms are severe, with related nausea and pain, stop taking the formula for a few days until all the symptoms have subsided.  When you start drinking it again, take half an ounce every other day, gradually resuming the original dosage.  Remember that all diseases have a life cycle and a rhythm of their own, so follow your own judgement according to what your body is telling you about the dosage it needs.

d) aching 'on site' and headaches, linked to the detoxification process, have been noted as sometimes occurring when taking Essiac after surgery.  Treat as for (c) and drink more water to flush out toxins from the body.

e) fever or chills--sometimes occurring when the Essiac starts working directly on the cancerous cells."

A Naturopath or healer will work with you through the process and also help with diet changes and other health concerns you may have. I would prefer to go this non-toxic route along with IV Vitamin C therapy, Mistletoe therapy and/or cannabis which is legal for cancer treatment and a sound cancer diet. There is a reason why Don Cardinal was not a fan of toxic chemotherapy and neither am I. Cancer treatment should always be a personal choice and it is clear that NAFPS has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to this subject.

, US
Aug 03, 2015 3:58 pm EDT

'Summer Rain' is a sock-puppet identity used on the NAFPS site, it is not a real person.

The NAFPS hate site is known for their lies and defamation. Unfortunately hate speech is not

illegal per se. However, the hate speech contained on the site, frequently finds NAFPS in

violation of the Terms of Service of their hosting provider. The site has been removed by a

series of hosting providers and domain registrars:

Turk Telekomunikasyon Anonim Sirketi
Rook Media GmbH
Endurance International Group
Light and Power Communications

In April 2015 the site was removed from anonymous offshore hosting company Cyber Cast

International in Panama and moved to a Romanian server owned by FlokiNet - an anonymous Icelandic

provider, who boast "our law department will take care of your abuse mails, legal proceedings

and support you in uncomfortable situations"

Complaints regarding NAFPS hate speech can be directed to FlokiNet administration:

, CA
Apr 11, 2015 10:44 pm EDT


Doug A.
, CA
Apr 04, 2015 8:07 pm EDT

NAFPS is a Kangaroo Court

Doug A.
, CA
Apr 04, 2015 8:00 pm EDT

They did not delete it. They moved it and they tried to throw Cate under the bus again. Typical:

Re: Rain's Rants and Personal Attacks

« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2015, 12:26:44 pm »

The only other person I know of who has come to this site who was so good at deleting all their posts (plus the entire thread) was Cate Crow.  She was the person who was sending out information on a fake cancer cure, supposedly based on an "Ojibway medicine man's formula". [not fake and it was an Ojibway medicine man's formula]

Wonder if "rain" or "rain0033" is a new reincarnation of Cate?  She regretted that she used her real name as a login the first time around.

This time sky figured out it was not Cate. Leave the poor woman alone already  

This is what Rain said:

This site is a joke. I am
an "Ojibway" First Nations and darn proud of it. I
have read all your posts bashing people of medicine. You
people don't know these people personally or their
stories. All I see is head hunting... Everyone has a story
and you should get to know them personally before you make
your judgements. All I see here is a disgrace to our people.
It would be a good site if you showed resources on how to
help the sickly ill and where they can get spiritual help
for their afflictions.

"The more they squawk, the more they show
themselves to be panicked or paranoid."

, CA
Mar 29, 2015 3:14 pm EDT

I read a comment from Rain yesterday who identified herself as First Nations Ojibway and she called the NAFPS board a joke and a disgrace after reading their comments on medicine men and women that they did not know. I predicted they would make fun of her and then delete her comment. I was right. They can not handle truth.

, CA
Mar 25, 2015 10:18 am EDT

Native American sites are all too common on the internet. When one is doing research on their heritage or on someone of an important historical figure, they may run across sites such as NAFPS who is mentioned here. These free forum groups that portray themselves as wanting to help the Native people by exposing frauds, cons, etc. are actually frauds themselves.

This is becoming a trend on the net and it is designed to debunk anyone who enters their circles of hate. If you even question anyone in their circles, they will post your social security, names, addresses, and even post your IP address for everyone to see.
They think they are doing a good cause by doing this, however, these sites are stretching the very limits of the laws and have had a history of having their illegal works and displays taken down because of their wrongful intents.

We are taking the initiative to prevent others from having to go through the same things that many others before them have had to endure.
Protect your privacy before THEY expose it to all of their fake private investigators and their fake contacts .The very contacts that have Fake Tribal ID cards mailed to their homes and NOT handing it over to the proper authorities. They are not trying to prevent these acts from happening, they are doing these acts themselves!

These people have a history of having a self proclaimed image. They are self important, always looking for someone to sharpshoot what they say.

They haven't proven anywhere that their deeds are doing any good.
They claim to have tens of thousands of members within their organizations, be affiliated with other accredited organizations such as AIM and NARF and other profound legitimate and respected orgs .

Yet, read their blogs yourself, they bash leaders and members of these organizations and call them fake and whatever "Twinkies" mean. That is their favorite word.
Spare yourself the embarrassment and fear, and protect your privacy!


Doug A.
, CA
Feb 19, 2015 9:36 am EST

sadly, Makayla Sault has died of a stroke caused by the chemo. Makayla got leukemia in March. She underwent 11 weeks of chemotherapy.

Her mother, Sonya Sault, said Makayla experienced severe side-effects from the chemo and at one point ended up in intensive care.

Makayla wrote a letter to her doctors asking to stop treatment.

"I am writing this letter to tell you that this chemo is killing my body and I cannot take it anymore."

She left chemotherapy treatment to pursue alternative and traditional indigenous medicine.

"Makayla was on her way to wellness, toward holistic well-being after the harsh side-effects that 12 weeks of chemotherapy inflicted on her body, " the family statement read. "Chemotherapy did irreversible damage to her heart and major organs. This was the cause of the stroke."

, CA
Feb 16, 2015 1:52 pm EST

not everyone they target are frauds but yes NAFPS are frauds. The owner of the site is Mexican and another is a Scot from the UK. Two regular posters admit they are white guys. One of the admins admits she is not American Indian but is using an Indian name. One is a white celt. Another is german and another is a swedish white woman. There are very few American Indians who post there. Most American Indians do not even know who NAFPS is

Williamsburg, US
Feb 16, 2015 10:09 am EST

Be on the lookout for nafps members going by the handles of Painted Wolf, White Warrior, Dietmar, Raven Poet, Native Spirit, Thunder Bow, RedRightHand and mac. With a little searching they can be found at various new age, spiritual and native sites. The majority of them have little to no American Indian heritage. Again frauds who are outing the competition, other frauds.

Williamsburg, US
Feb 16, 2015 9:20 am EST

A little research and tracking skills will show that a good several of these nafps characters have their own little new age gigs they attain money from. What better way to knock out the competition by declaring them as frauds? Frauds outing other frauds. That's business as usual with these people. Want to see for youself? Go to any new age spiritual site(blogs, forums, etc.) where there are members claiming to be native and question them or their phoney practices and see how quickly your user name appears on nafps as a fraud or troll. These nafps people do not want anyone compromising their own little snake oil shows that are advertised on sites ranging from those seemingly indigenous to Euro-Pagan to the most fluff bunny of new age nonsense where they offer private readings or are attempting to sell various spiritual trinkets. I find it rather humorous that these fraud hunters are in truth frauds themselves.

Doug A.
, CA
Feb 03, 2015 5:41 am EST


"Native Plants/ Native Healing" is a GREAT book, written by a wonderful and loving person: Tis Mal Crow. I knew Tis Mal personally since the 1980's. He was very knowledgeable about plants and herbs and their medicinal uses. He was also one of my closest friends, but we were more like brothers. There aren't many "root doctors" around - not like Tis Mal. He was one of the best.

Tis Mal and I danced at many Pow Wow's, and also made native regalia for many years. We used to sit for hours on end for months at a time to create beadwork.

Tis Mal Crow crossed over into the spirit world April, 2006. He had mentioned to me once that he "carried an old soul". To me, he was gentle, gifted, and wise beyond his years. He respected our Mother/Grandmother Earth, deeply loved her wonderful gifts, and respected all living things.

I miss him, and look forward to seeing him again in the spirit world.


Doug A.
, CA
Feb 02, 2015 11:05 am EST

More hypocrisy

Sky August 19/2014

I think William must be very displeased to see how his name is being bandied about now that he has crossed.

But it is perfectly okay for them to bandy about the name of Tis Mal Crow and his sister who have passed...who they have decided is a fraud despite the info of a friend who knew the man. They who play Great Spirit and judge all people. I am sick of this site...sick of these hypocrites.

Doug A.
, CA
Jan 10, 2015 2:47 pm EST

Here is the formula told to Cynthia Olsen by an Ojibwa Medicine Man in late 80's who was originally from Ontario. His grandfathers on his father's side were all Ojibwa Medicine Men from Ontario belonging to the Midewiwin

"This formula is a gift from the Ojibwa to all mankind, all races, anyone. Why can't everyone just say thank you and accept it? I use a big handful of chopped dried Burdock Root (my hands are kind of big, this weighs about 3 ounces). Then I use a big handful of chopped dried Sheep Sorrel herb (this weighs about one ounce) [make sure you use the root]. Then I use big pieces of dried Rhubarb Root amounting to about 1/2 ounce total (I use big pieces so the laxative effect is not boiled away). Then I add a wad of dried Slippery Elm (inner bark) about the size of a golf ball (about 1/18 of an ounce). This makes a one week’s supply, so boil it for about 15 minutes in one gallon of water (only use distilled, spring or thoroughly filtered water) then let it soak overnight in the gallon of water, strain it and store it in a one gallon apple juice jug in your fridge. Drink one 8 ounce cup twice a day (or more if you feel like it). Don’t dilute it, that's some kind of wimpy white man health food store thinking. It tastes kind of thick and slippery. (If you do heat it, do it on a burner in a small sauce pan. Don’t ever heat in a microwave or it will be useless.) By the way, when you drink it pray that your body will get back in harmony with the Great Spirit”

Doug A.
, CA
Jan 10, 2015 2:23 pm EST

from Cate

Who is John O'Brien? Apart from this board and the AIM board, I made one other comment on a board with an article I agreed with and I did it by myself. Are they trying to say Doug that you are John O'Brien? No, you are not Irish enough to be an O'Brien my friend :-D

I was told that Sky said something about Rene got the formula from a patient of hers and altered it so that me saying that the recipe came straight from the lips of Ojibwa medicine man was not true.

In that case, they are calling Cynthia Olsen, with 20 years of research, a fraud and liar because she directly quoted an Ojibwa medicine man originally from Ontario on page 102 and 103 of her book and that is what I quoted in my article and that is the quote I sent to Nancy... and the patient did not come up with the formula. The patient, Mrs. Johnson, did get it directly from a medicine man in Northern Ontario in the 1890's when she got breast cancer and wrote it down, was cured by it and then gave that formula to Rene in 1922. The original formula is on archive. I do know Rene used Turkey Rhubarb instead of Rhubarb because it was less bitter but they both work the same. If that is the only issue, it doesn't take away from the origin of the formula or the fact that it worked for people and that is also documented on archive.

In my case, I passed that formula on to two friends who were struggling with cancer. It did not make them sicker. In the case of Joan, who made the herbal tea for her mother, it dropped her cancer marker from 54, after they discovered another tumor in her abdomen, down to 2. In the case of Miriam, who is a doctor, it dropped her cancer marker from 487 (and she was heading to stage 4 ovarian cancer) down to 214 and that was before she began conventional treatment and her oncologist approved. It helped these women. It did not make them sicker and there are a lot of people who do take Essiac in Canada when they get cancer. It would not be so popular here if it was making so many people "sicker".

You watched the documentary "Cancer: The Forbidden Cures" which features the story. You know the FDA/cancer industry will never approve of traditional or herbal medicine even if it works. It can't be patented. There is no profit in it for them.

I don't regret helping two friends with that formula that came from an Ojibwa medicine man who told it to Cynthia Olsen. I don't regret writing my article. There are so many people who have written books and articles on Essiac in Canada since the 1920's, they can't all be frauds. I do regret not giving the source in their chatroom but that is all. I hope people really do their own research and come to their own conclusions on the subject. I am done with this and have moved on. Thanks for all your help and support.

Doug A.
, CA
Jan 09, 2015 1:31 am EST


Cate Crow, she who promotes fake cancer cures that will make people sicker, seems to have teamed up with him (someone named John O'Brien) and both are sockpuppetting in various troll dumps in the dark corners of the intarwebs. Must suck to be them.

So much for truthtellers. Definitely paranoid. Cate doesn't know him and has no clue what they are talking about, got fed up with the drama and stopped posting and moved on. Suggested they do the same. I'm definitely not him and have only written on this site. They might want to check with Moke Eaglefeathers if they are interested in serious research on the "fake cancer cure" however.

Cate C
, CA
Oct 30, 2017 12:01 pm EDT
Replying to comment of Doug A.

I posted this blog from the internet and a John O'Brien wrote on it two years before they ever targeted me so using their logic, this is how I must know John O'Brien because, after all, 2 + 2 = 9. Yet another example of the great research they do. The blog looks like it was written by an old white man who writes about sustainable futures, so this must be the neo-nazi site who wants natives dead? That lying non-native woman who wrote the post above is the last person who should call anyone whackjobs. Crazy.

Doug A.
, CA
Dec 29, 2014 12:29 pm EST

look at what they did to Ian in the Essiac thread. Old Indian man with more knowledge of native medicine then all of them combined. He posts AIM link on Essiac and they delete it as "spam" when it challenges everything they say. Hiding the truth. Then he posts an article to show they are wrong about Makayla Sault relapsing and a link on traditional medicine vs. western medicine well that brings the harpies flying back out. How dare he post anything contrary to what they say! The all knowing wise ones! So they try to discredit him. Classic. The European FDA/big pharma junkie quotes Wikipedia again lol. Funny how they don't like what the white man promotes but they love the big white establishment of the FDA/big pharma. They still claim a white woman thought up the formula garbage. They try to throw him under the bus by saying he is someone else on the net that he needs to be monitored that he doesn't know what he is talking about that he is wrong. They ridicule him and belittle him and as a class act he quietly lets them know he knows about traditional medicine and addresses the one person who was the least rude to him and gracefully exits. They can't touch him and they know it so they go after the author of the AIM Essiac post Two Feathers. They don't know him either but ridicule him and belittle him and put him up in his own thread. They throw up all his private and personal information. His address even. WTF is up with that? They are brutal to the man. His wife finds all their personal info on the net for the world to see. Yeah damn right she is upset! He responds. He has their number. He calls them perfectly and they call him disrespectful and continue to treat him like dirt. He is wise enough not to fall for the venom of the vipers and their negative ways. They treat people like ### and then expect respect? They repeat the same destructive pattern over and over and over again and are so obvious and transparent in their negative attacks. NAFPS is run by a small clique who do all the posting. I can name them all. They hide behind various handles on different native sites to promote their group and say how "excellent" they are. They are often called on it. This group does not represent anyone but themselves. Heed the Warning above. It speaks the truth but if you do go in be prepared to ### kiss. They love that.

Doug A.
, CA
Dec 27, 2014 11:19 am EST

Before I go, this from some other brothers

If NAFPS Can't Aplogise When They Are Wrong About The Many They Have Targeted: Then They Should Be Pulled Off Completely. They Were Wrong About Us, And No Sorry Came From Nowhere.

To Have Targeted Kaneekaneet And Not Even Bother To Speak To Any Of Us About Whom He Truly Is Or Even What We Have Been Up Too To Help Our Blood Relations?

I Wonder If They Are Paid To Hate Or See It As Some Twisted Duty? I Look At Their Site And I Learned Nothing: And Yet I Am Sure They Must Have Had Permission From Some To Act And Behave That Way.

I liken the NAFPS to a group of people who are on a modern day witch hunt. Their behavior rivals the inquisitions of old. There is no reasoning with the NAFPS what so ever. It's their way or their way. The NAFPS are killing the heart, mind and character of those who get in their way. There is no Kindness or Justice amongst the NAFPS. It is a cold and dead way. The NAFPS e-lynches, e-drowns or e-burns at the e-stake the accused victims of their choosing. I feel they are dangerous and out of control.

NAFPS his just a hate group that write lies about native americans that they never met in there life.
J Reuben Silverbird is a well repected native american and they lie on him. I give this

If you are thinking of visiting or joining New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans before doing so, please be prepared that if you do challenge; they will delete anything that you say that exposes their abusive behavior and in its place insert derogatory, infantile, deceitful and inverse racist comments.

They will most likely also blame shift and classically project their own negativity and ignorance onto the person and attempt to make it appear to their audience as if it was the innocent person's fault. When all else fails, they may also attempt to make the person appear racist, condescending, patronizing and worse. Also expect to have your privacy violated by them posting your home address, phone numbers and email address online.

You can also expect that they will flip and twist your words and comments. This is obviously designed to distort and invalidate the individual by creating a false impression to his audience and followers, as well as to attempt to make himself appear more intelligent, wittier, wiser, superior and so on.

NAFPS will use all forms of bullying and intimidation tactics that are often implemented by cultists and street gang members.

Doug A.
, CA
Dec 14, 2014 8:30 am EST

Cate don't bother. I've watched how this group operates. It is not worth your time or mine. They won't listen anyway. You would have more luck jumping head first into a viper pit. People will read the truth about Essiac and come to their own conclusions. I've got more native blood in my left nut then half the people on that board.

Cate Crow
, CA
Dec 14, 2014 7:54 am EST
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Dear Summer Rain (if that is in fact who you are)

I invite you to come and talk openly and honestly with me on this board where I can not be blocked or banned or my words twisted. Where real research about the origin of Essiac can be made known and documented success stories can be shared. I'm a retired teacher and draw a disability pension. I do not make money by sharing the story of Essiac and I have never done a workshop on Essiac or whatever it was you accused me of. I wrote an article for the local newspaper on Essiac and I sent an e-mail to friends. I did not lie about myself and I certainly have never made a threat to anyone in my life nor am I a hostile person.

Doug A.
, CA
Dec 14, 2014 1:03 am EST

LMFAO! I've never been on your forum and Cate did not lie about herself, make a threat or make money off of Essiac. Total BS. Your head honcho is in court for libel and slander as I type. A lot of white European wannabes on your board.

Cate C
, CA
Dec 16, 2017 9:28 am EST
Replying to comment of Doug A.

The irony here, as it turns out, is that none of the women who wrote in the "Essiac" fraud thread are native. These women, who are native, say differently:

Cancer cure, from an old Ojibwe medicine mans recipe. Sheep sorrel, whole plant main agent. A. L. Ronge

My Mother is opting out of Radiation in Faith of our Old Ways. Essiac Tea IS the Ojibwe Herbal Cure for cancer. Any Stage, Any type. Mother Earth Provides for us All. K. Goodard

No quackery here: please find "Ojibwe Tea". Endorsed by Canadian Med. Assoc. Red Sky Thunder

This winter I was feeling sluggish and weak for months. Turned out I had Thyroid Cancer. I had my Thyroid removed and also started a vast array of inner natural healing. I healed in the spirit world for four days. I drank sweet fern and Ojibwe tea, cleansing my lungs, liver, lymph system and blood. I applied Frankensence, Bergamont tinctures and Coconut oil to my lymphs and thyroid before and after removed. I did Lymph massage and light exercise to help with removal of toxins. I thank my friends for the gifts of Chaga and the earth for the plants. I have included my report from the Dr. I am pleased and so was he. Shontel T. Ojibwe

is it true that the Ojibwe consider chaga a cure for cancer tumours?

Correct I personally know it works. A. Travenard Ojibwa medicine woman

Summer Rain
, US
Dec 13, 2014 2:21 pm EST

Frauds don't like being busted on their lies, so they come here and lie about the dedicated people at NAFPS. NAFPS has never been shut down for libel, and the core members are known to one another offline as well as in their Indigenous communities. It's common for those whose ability to make money selling ceremony, or peddling fake cancer cures, to get upset when their source of revenue is disrupted. NAFPS does an excellent job of exposing whackjobs like the liars posting their angry screeds here.

Some of the screeds they are posting here are from criminals who've made death threats to NAFPS staff after NAFPS exposed them as frauds, exploiters, and in some cases, violent abusers. The two people posting all these claims were kicked off the forum for making threats and lying about themselves. No one complaining here is Indian; they are white pretendians that NAFPS exposed. NAFPS has excellent standing among Native communities, and has Native Elders, of a handful of Nations, as participating members in the forum and network. If there's a Nation not represented, the elder members of the forum know who to call and ask.

Anyone can say anything on the Internet, hence these lies about NAFPS. Visit the site yourself; all investigations are documented. Research is posted, and people who actually belong to the Nations the frauds falsely claim membership in speak out; real members and Elders of the communities the frauds misrepresent denounce these exploiters who are harming culture with their pay-to-pray and misrepresentation. So of course the frauds are hostile. NAFPS is an excellent site and team of dedicated truthtellers.

Cate C
, CA
Dec 14, 2016 8:32 am EST


1) when people go outside the community and sell questionable cures to vulnerable people, that is a cause for concern, to everyone it touches.

Since when is writing an article on Essiac and Chaga tea (both widely known and legal in Canada) selling questionable cures? So by your logic, anyone who has ever written an article, a book, or a testimonial on these teas over the last century is selling questionable cures? Well, you have a lot of people to go after then.

2) The formula given is not Ojibwe.

yes it is...that quote comes from an elderly Ojibwe doctor originally from Ontario, whose grandfathers and great grandfathers were all members of the Midewiwin, who told it to Cynthia Olsen...a direct quote...

3) It is my understanding that Ms. Caisse falsely claimed to have learned the remedy from Natives because she felt it would have more credibility this way. So it's sad to see Natives believing something a white person made up.

Ms. Caisse was a conventional nurse who knew little about herbs in 1922. So sad to see someone making up garbage about someone who passed in 1978, trying to pass it off as truth. Here is an article in Rene's own words:

The following, written by Rene Caisse, was published posthumously by the Bracebridge Examiner, January, 1979.
In the mid-twenties [1920's] I was head nurse at the Sisters of Providence Hospital in a northern Ontario town. One day one of my nurses was bathing an elderly lady patient. I noticed that one breast was a mass of scar tissue, and asked about it.
"I came out from England nearly 30 years ago." she told me. "I joined my husband who was prospecting in the wilds of Northern Ontario. My right breast became sore and swollen, and very painful. My husband brought me to Toronto, and the doctors told me I had advanced cancer and my breast must be removed at once. Before we left camp a very old Indian medicine man had told me I had cancer, but he could cure it. I decided I'd just as soon try his remedy as to have my breast removed. One of my friends had died from breast surgery. Besides, we had no money."
She and her husband returned to the mining camp, and the old Indian showed her certain herbs growing in the area, told her to make a tea from these herbs and to drink it every day. She was nearly 80 years old when I saw her and there had been no recurrence of cancer. I was much interested and wrote down the names of the herbs she had used. I knew that doctors threw up their hands when cancer was discovered in a patient; it was the same as a death sentence, just about. I decided that if I should ever develop cancer, I would use this herb tea.
About a year later I was visiting an aged retired doctor whom I knew well. We were walking slowly about his garden when he took his cane and lifted a weed. "Nurse Caisse, " he told me, "if people would use this weed there would be very little cancer in the world." He told me the name of the plant. It was one of the herbs my patient named as an ingredient of the Indian medicine man's tea!
A few months later I received word that my mother's only sister had been operated on in Brockville, Ontario. The doctors had found she had cancer of the stomach with a liver involvement, and gave her at the most six months to live. I hastened to her and talked to her doctor. He was Dr. R.O. Fisher of Toronto, whom I knew well because I had nursed patients for him many times. I told him about the herb tea and asked his permission to try it under his observation, since there was apparently nothing more medical science could do for my aunt. He consented quickly. I obtained the necessary herbs, with some difficulty, and made the tea.
My aunt lived for 21 years after being given up by the medical profession. There was no recurrence of cancer. Dr. Fisher was so impressed he asked me to use the treatment on some of his other hopeless cancer cases. Other doctors heard about me from Dr. Fisher and asked me to treat patients for them after everything medical science had to offer had failed. They too were impressed with the results."

Rene’s friend Sheila Snow identified this woman as a Mrs. Johnston. The area where they were camping was inhabited by Ojibway Indians

4) I know a number of people, some of them Native, who have used this formula. It didn't cure any of them.

Now you are telling me a number of people you know used the exact formula from the Ojibwa doctor that was posted?
Just because you think something is a "quack" cure, does not mean everyone who has used it successfully feels the same way.

5) Laboratory tests show the herb formula you're promoting can increase the growth of breast cancer cells.

Wrong...half baked lab report from Sloan-Kettering...the increase occurs in the tumour area when the cancer cells are drawn back into the site of the original tumour...proper lab tests show that the tumour then breaks down.

6) ETA: Cate has deleted her post where she said she taught about "druid labyrinths" at Cherry Valley.

I never said that at all. I said I taught the history of the labyrinth. I said "google Druid Labyrinth" meaning put the two words together in your search engine and see what comes up.

7) ETA: Cate Crow has deleted her post where she claimed that Rene Caisse's "essiac" formula came to Cate "direct from the lips of an Ojibwe Elder."

I never said that either. I said the quote that was posted came straight from the lips of an Ojibwa elder meaning a direct quote. I never said it "came to me". More twisting...and you purposely added the word "So" to my "what?" which changed the whole meaning.

8) Point being, it's (Essiac) dangerous.

"the amount of oxalic acid is far below what is already considered safe" Dr. Eva Urbaniak ND on essiac. Of course you should consult with a MD, ND or credible healer when you have cancer. I never stated otherwise. Essiac is not dangerous to take under their supervision if you have other health concerns and if you have no other health concerns, it is not dangerous to take in the recommended amounts.[removed]. Feeling the need to protect readers from information on herbal medicine is fearmongering. People can do their own research, talk to their own doctors or healers and come to their own conclusions.

9) The other thing is that the claims of Caisse having "fought the cancer industry who wanted to shut her down because she was actually curing people with herbs" are not based on facts. There is no proof of her having cured any person.

There is documented and archived evidence of the fact that she did plus the written and oral testimonies from her patients
“A: Dr. Brusch, let’s get right to the point. Are you saying Essiac can help people with cancer, or are you saying that Essiac is a cure for cancer?
“B: I’m saying it’s a cure
“A: Would you repeat that once more, Dr. Brusch?
“B: Yes, I would be glad to. Essiac is a cure for cancer. I’ve seen it reverse and eliminate cancers at such a progressed state that nothing medical science currently has could have accomplished similar results. I wouldn’t have believed it myself had I not seen it with my own eyes. I feel very strongly that Essiac is the single most beneficial treatment for cancer today.”—Elaine Alexander's Vancouver radio interview with Dr. Charles Brusch, M.D., personal physician to JFK who worked with Rene Caisse, tested the formula on his own cancer patients and cured his own colon cancer with the formula, November 1984.

10) And last not least: chemotherapy does not kill people..and there is no cancer industry

Chemo can kill the patient before the cancer can. Dr. Hardin Jones, a former Professor of Medical Physics and Physiology at Berkeley in California concluded after 25 years of research that in many cases patients die much sooner with chemo. It can damage the organs and the immune system. It is a toxic poison. The dangers of chemo and radiation are well documented.

"Chemotherapy is just medieval. It's such a blunt instrument. We're going to look back on it like we do the dark primitive and barbaric".
Dr. Eric Topol MD

“Most cancer patients in this country die of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon, or lung cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade, yet doctors still use chemotherapy for these tumors.” Dr. Adam Levin MD

"As a chemist trained to interpret data, it is incomprehensible to me that physicians can ignore the clear evidence that chemotherapy does much, much more harm than good." - Dr. Alan C Nixon, PhD, former president of the American Chemical Society

Chemotherapy drugs are of benefit to at most 5% of cancer patients they are given to (Hodgkin's disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia (ALL), childhood leukemia, Testicular cancer) Dr. John Cairns of Harvard in Scientific American...For many cancers (colorectal, gastric, pancreatic, bladder, breast, ovarian, cervical and uterine) chemotherapy just does not improve your survival rate. Grouped together, the average cancer patient has a 50/50 chance of living another 5 years.

"I look upon cancer in the same way that I look upon heart disease, arthritis, high blood pressure, or even obesity, for that matter, in that by dramatically strengthening the body's immune system through diet, nutritional supplements, and exercise, the body can rid itself of the cancer, just as it does in other degenerative diseases. Consequently, I wouldn't have chemotherapy and radiation because I'm not interested in therapies that cripple the immune system, and, in my opinion, virtually ensure failure for the majority of cancer patients."---Dr Julian Whitaker, M.D.

"Patients who underwent chemo were 14 times more likely to develop leukemia and 6 times more likely to develop cancers of the bones, joints, and soft tissues than those patients who did not undergo chemotherapy. Finding a cure for cancer is absolutely contraindicated by the profits of the cancer industry’s chemotherapy, radiation, and surgery cash trough." —Dr. John Diamond

"We have a multi-billion dollar industry that is killing people, right and left, just for financial gain. Their idea of research is to see whether two doses of this poison is better than three doses of that poison."—Dr. Glen Warner, M.D. oncologist.

11) Well, after saying she wouldn't, Cate not only deleted her posts, she found a way to delete the entire thread. She is now banned.

I said I was not going to delete a heartfelt apology and I did not. I left it standing and yes I deleted your thread after you blocked me from replying to your false accusations and after you put me up as a fraud and blocked me from replying. You left a delete button there. I used it and I would use it again if I could.

12) You are misrepresenting his work. In his own words, "Weathering, trampling, and shiftings of soil and strata have made parts of this hypothetical scheme a matter of conjecture." The "hypothetical scheme" being whether or not the paths up the hill could have ever connected in anything resembling a labyrinth."

No, you misrepresented his work and I'm glad you were called on it. Ashe did conclude the Tor was a labyrinth so did other scholars and there are no dangers in walking one. If you are going to quote from his book, do it properly, "The theory requires that there should once have been seven paths going completely round the Tor, all running along continuous terraces, with vertical connections between them. Weathering, trampling, and shiftings of soil and strata have made parts of this hypothetical scheme a matter of conjecture. Yet, terraces can indeed be distinguished at seven different levels, and while they are not now continuous, they are more nearly so than a glance might suggest...Scrutiny in a combination of ways shows how much of the system is, arguably, there."

13) You're a plagiarist.

I was not going to write any names on your chatroom board for a valid reason and I gave the reason. The source is in my article and I sent it to Nancy when she was writing her book in 2012. The original private email I sent her did not include the source. I am not responsible for anything that Nancy writes on her own website especially when it is done without my knowledge. As for Nancy, she is an elderly Irish lady in her 70's who has no clue about any of this. She took down the information because she did not want to offend anyone but I am going to quote from her book:

From Nancy Huber's softcover book published in 2012 where the source is included after the direct quote pgs 15-18:

The Second Generation
The Ojibwa who were nomadic, over-wintered in a valley just at the South edge of the Johnson farm, the next farm to the South of Cherry Valley Farm. This whole area was known as a traveling area to the natives long before the settlers arrived. After that time, the natives would negotiate with the farmers for camping grounds for the winter in exchange for basswood trees to make baskets. My sister-in-law still has one that her Grandmother bought.

The Ojibwa had a cancer cure which they freely gave to the white man. “Old lady Johnson”* had people coming from all over the States and Canada for this cure, which the Ojibwa had generously given to her.
My Grandfather's mother, Orpha Barber, brought her mother Charity Ann Barber all the way from Norfolk County for the cure in 1879. While she was waiting during her mother's treatment, she met and fell in love with the farm boy next door at Cherry Valley, John Thomas Fletcher. After she took her mother back home, she and John Thomas corresponded for a year. The next time they met was on their wedding floor, March 12, 1880.
I had a group camping at the farm in the summer of 2011 to see the Perseids meteor shower. I told this story to Cate Crow, a friend of mine who was at the farm that night, and was lamenting the fact that Old Lady Johnson took her cancer cure with her to the grave. Cate said, “No it’s not lost, and I’ll send it to you".

This is the e-mail that Cate sent:

Here is the herbal formula you were asking me for... straight from the lips of an Ojibwa elder...

"This formula is a gift from the Ojibwa to all mankind, all races, anyone. Just say thank you and accept it".

"I use a big handful of chopped dried Burdock Root (my hands are kind of big, this weighs about 3 ounces). Then I use a big handful of chopped dried Sheep Sorrel herb (this weighs about one ounce) [make sure you use the root]. Then I use big pieces of dried Rhubarb Root amounting to about 1/2 ounce total (I use big pieces so the laxative effect is not boiled away). Then I add a wad of dried Slippery Elm (inner bark) about the size of a golf ball (about 1/18 of an ounce). This makes a one week's supply, so boil it for about 15 minutes in one gallon of water (only use distilled, spring or thoroughly filtered water) then let it soak overnight in the gallon of water, strain it and store it in a one gallon apple juice jug in your fridge. Drink one 8 ounce cup twice a day (or more if you feel like it). Don't dilute it like some kind of wimpy white man health food store thinking. It tastes kind of thick and slippery. If you do heat it, do it on a burner in a small sauce pan. Don't ever heat in a microwave or it will be useless. By the way, when you drink it pray that your body will get back in harmony with the Great Spirit"
All of these dried herbs are very common and are found in any health food store that sells herbs.
"Sometimes when tumors are very stubborn you have to use Blood Root along with the formula. If you are using Blood Root tincture with the tea follow these instructions carefully: On the average 5 - 10 drops (NOT DROPPERS) 2 times a day with your 'tea'. However, your tolerable threshold must be found, To accomplish this, start with 5 drops. Increase dosage by 1 drop per day until nausea occurs. If nausea occurs before you reach 10 drops, then back down 1 drop and hold that dosage. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EXCEED 10 DROPS. If nausea occurs with the initial 5 drops, then start with 1 drop and work your way to your tolerable dosage. If all you can tolerate is 1 - 2 drops try increasing dosage by 1 drop after a week's use. If you still can only handle 1 -2 drops then that is all you need, and it is doing as well as 10 drops for someone else. Blood Root is an extremely powerful substance. There are some, usually those who have a financial interest in chemotherapy, radiation or pharmaceutical companies, that say never take Blood Root internally, its way too dangerous (and chemo and radiation isn't?). However, there have been no negative reactions in 100% of the patients we have treated with Blood Root tincture when taken in these tolerable doses". (Essiac: A Native Herbal Cancer Remedy by Cynthia Olsen).

Ojibwa Healing Song:
To the Great Spirit
Your spirit,
My spirit,
may they unite in healing.
You have given your beauty,
now we ask that you give
the gift of wellbeing.

What a wonderful gift from the Ojibwa. A watered down version is found as Essiac in health food stores. If it wasn’t for the Ojibwa I wouldn’t be here for it was their cure that brought my great grandfather and great grandmother together.
*Mrs. Johnson died in Thornton in 1906.

14) Not only did you lie about this formula "coming direct from the lips of an Ojibwe Elder, " which we already knew was a lie, you plagiarized someone's work and represented it as your own story.

No lie, that did come "straight from the lips of an Ojibwe elder" ...a direct quote. I never said it was told to me in person, that was your misinterpretation. An explanation post I did write also mysteriously disappeared from your board.

15) At this point I don't see any reason to believe you. Not about Nora, not about anything. You've based your labyrinth talks on shoddy inaccurate googled information (that others now believe is true).

And I see no reason to believe you after all your lies and misrepresentations and lack of credible research. That is Nora's bio. She told it to me while I was sitting down with her doing an article on her. I sent the article to her the night before it went to print and she approved what was written. She is an Algonquin native woman from the Golden Lake reserve. Her family still live on the reserve. Any issue involving Nora or Pete should be dealt with by the reserve and NOT YOU. It's more accurate to say you based your labyrinth (and essiac) information on shoddy inaccurate googled info that you took out of context. You were so busy freaking out and berating me (and blocking me) and jumping to one false conclusion after another, you didn't even bother to get the full story or let me get a word in edgewise.

16) And people think we're mean because we try and warn people about how damaging and dangerous the whole newage movement is?

No, people think you are mean because you are. You had a freak out meltdown while engaging in fearmongering nonsense...and the lies...from the I know and hang out with John O'Brien...seriously? Do I know the Irish Prime Minister and hang out with him too? the I hang out on neo-nazi sites who want natives dead? what? to all the other nonsense you how dangerous the labyrinth and Essiac dangerous that is why you can buy it right off the shelf in Canada and walk a labyrinth in a park. Nothing is as dangerous to the human body as chemo is. And I'm still trying to understand what Essiac and chaga tea has to do with new age anything when they have both been known and written about for over a century and are still used by naturopathic doctors and credible healers.

17) Cate's scheduled "Ojibway Cancer Cures" workshop has been removed from the public Cherry Valley site.
But given the level of deception she's shown, I would not assume this means it's been cancelled. We've often seen with frauds that they just advertise this stuff via their mailing lists.

I was never scheduled to do a workshop on Essiac or Chaga. That was information posted on Nancy's website only. The information was written down on her site along with directions to the farm. Was I scheduled to give a workshop on directions to her farm too? You deleted the link when you realized it was not a workshop. Honest to God, how about the deception you have shown? Carefully twisting words, writing nonsense, taking info out of context, adding things I didn't say or do, jumping to your own wrong conclusions. I find it hard to believe that a website that has been removed from several servers, with litigation, libel, slander, defamation complaints from natives and non-natives alike is deeply respected. What deeply respected site blocks people from responding or doesn't bother to contact people first to find out their knowledge or level of understanding?'s not like you don't know their address and phone number.

18) Cate was banned from the forum for lying to us and about us, for posting plagiarized materials, and for stalking and libeling people. It is clear she was not here to help with the purpose of the forum, but rather to promote frauds and fraud, and to cause harm to our members.

I was blocked from replying and banned because I deleted your thread. I was not banned because of what was written on the complaint board two months after the fact. Should you ban yourself because of your own cyber stalking and libel and the harm you cause others? I came on your board to tell you Nora was an Algonquin native and who her family was...that's it...the rest of the drama was your own making.

19) I think it is criminal that this is being pushed onto desperate people as a cure-all.

Writing informative quotes that people have written about Essiac is not pushing it on anyone nor is it criminal. He was trying to make a point. It's called a debate. Something you can't seem to handle.

20) Her conduct here was less than honorable (and yours was honorable? I felt jumped on from the moment I went on the site.) She has the right to criticize us and to quote unethical individuals (I don't know them at all but somehow I doubt ALL of the people who have laid a criticism at your door are unethical...speaking of unethical...posting pictures of family members, addresses, phone numbers of private individuals, genealogy searches which do not prove if an ancestor was white or native, not contacting an individual first to find out their level of understanding or knowledge, ridicule, smearing, bully tactics..who does that?), in her mind, foster a defense for lack of a better term (it was a defense). We also have the right to offer criticism. Her deletion of posts and threads was juvenile (your gang bang mentality, freak out session and blocking me from replying was juvenile). I understand that she was upset but that's no excuse to retaliate against people who take their time to do a public service (really? you unjustly put me up as a fraud after blocking me from replying and I am not supposed to make a complaint about it? public service or lynch mob?) I'd like to know how I went from being a retired teacher of good standing, mom and writer for a local newspaper to the garbage that was written about me. I would like to know why a good educational discussion is impossible to have on your board when you disagree with an issue. I am not a plagiarizing fraud and I do not sell anything.

I understand the owner of the board is Al Carroll, a professor, and these are his friends. Does Al run his classroom the same way he does his board? If a student disagrees with something he says, does he blow up and block them from replying? Does he look up their student record looking for anything questionable in their past? Does he write FRAUD on the blackboard and post pictures and info on their family? Does he have them banned from the class or school? Do they get an "F" on assignments? or does he smear and ridicule them in front of their peers? How sad coming from an educator, a Phd, who should know better. How sad that NOVA tolerates witch hunts. If your board was educational, that would be one thing, but it often slides off into something disturbing.

I apologized to you for anything I wrote in here about you that was wrong. I know I will never get the same courtesy from you regarding the garbage that was written about me. Yes, there are legitimate frauds out there and then there are people who don't even come close. Report truths only.

Cate Crow
, CA
Nov 26, 2014 3:34 pm EST
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I am writing this on behalf of Doug because he said his posts are not getting through.

Pierre, Essiac is really Native American Black Root Medicine or Four Directions Medicine. The natives were curing people of cancer long before there was a cancer industry. The four herbs purify the blood, cleanse the liver and strengthen the immune system. It has a long history of success in treating the disease in this country. Beware of counterfeits on the market. Rene Caisse from Bracebridge, Ontario, Canada had the original formula. Old Lady Johnson in Thornton, Ontario also had the original formula given to her by the Ojibwa..both of these ladies cured many people of cancer with the native formula in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 26, 2014 12:26 pm EST

Don Cardinal, one of the great Cree healers of the 20th century. Black Root Medicine/Four Directions Medicine. What don't you understand? That Native Americans were curing people of disease before the white man came and turned it in to big business?

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Nov 26, 2014 7:14 am EST
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But who is this Don? I have heard about him and this complaint also here in France!
Anyway the princeps of this formula are funny, I don't understand how people can believe in such things..

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 22, 2014 10:03 pm EST

Nurse Caisse and Dr Brusch were able to produce scores of letters and hundreds of patients whose lives were saved by the Native American remedy. A Maryland woman, Suzanne Bower, then 41, developed breast cancer in January 1992. She learned about Essiac through her work with Native American crafts and consulted the Cree healer Don Cardinal. “I had a full mastectomy. One and-a-half years later, I found a nodule on the same side. I was told again I had the same form of breast cancer, ” Bower said. “I had the nodule removed and was given seven weeks of radiation
therapy and four treatments of chemotherapy.” “I felt very sick. I could hardly exist for a whole week. I was bedridden. I had mouth sores, vomiting, loss of hair. I had to take needles in the stomach to regulate my blood cells. I was dehydrated, had constipation, and had a hard time eating. I could only take liquids.” Bower said. “I spoke to Don Cardinal before I went on chemo. He said I did not have to go on chemo, just take Essiac tea in large doses. He told me he helped a woman with ovarian cancer where the tumour could be seen pushing through the skin. He saw the tumour reduced with the herbal tea. I decided to do conventional and traditional at the same time, ” Bower said. “I sensed Essiac tea strengthened me. I could feel my blood had more power, more oxygen. I wasn’t weak. My digestion was
better. I felt strong. I felt positive, it helped with my constipation. During this time, I had a car accident and suffered broken ribs. Essiac shortened the healing time, ” Bower said. “I had no side-effects from the herbal tea at all, and I’m very sensitive to medicine. It was very inexpensive for what it can dofor you. Everybody should take it; everybody needs to protect their immune system because of what we’re exposed to, ” she explained. The Essiac formulation has
actually been found to be helpful for arthritis, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, hypoglycaemia, chronic fatigue syndrome, prostate and urinary problems, and ulcers, as well as malignancies, various forms of cancer, and other health problems. Dr. John Christopher Fine

part of an interview with Dr. Gary Glum

Elisabeth Robinson: To begin with, Dr Glum, can you tell us a little about how you became interested in the story you tell in Calling of an Angel, and how you learned about Rene Caisse and her work?
Dr Gary Glum: A personal friend of mine knew this woman, whose name I have promised not to reveal, who was living in Detroit, Michigan. Twenty years ago she had been diagnosed with cervical cancer in a Detroit hospital; where she was eventually given up as incurable and terminal. She was given about ten days to live.
She convinced her husband to make a trip to Bracebridge, Canada where she went to see Rene Caisse. She was treated with the Native herbal remedy — Essiac — and in a short time she didn’t have a cancer cell in her body. So after that time this woman began dedicating her life to disseminating information about Essiac in the United States. When I met her, she was the only person in possession of the original herbal formula who would relinquish it. I got the formula for Essiac from her.
That’s how it began. When I started, all I had was a piece of paper. I thought, what am I going to do with this? I decided, the best way to go would be to find the information behind Essiac and put it in book form and bring it to the world.
I learned about Rene Caisse from Mary McPherson who was a very close personal friend of Rene’s, not only a friend but also a patient. Mary’s mother and her husband were also patients. They were all treated for cancer and cured by Rene.
Mary worked with Rene beginning in the 1930’s and she had in her possession all the documents that had to do with Essiac over the 40 years Rene administered it. All the documents Rene had were destroyed by the Canadian Ministry of Health & Welfare at the time of her death in 1978. They burned all that information in fifty five gallon drums behind her home.
ER: Why?
GG: Because they don’t want this information in the hands of the public or the press or anybody else. They indeed found out what Essiac was in 1937. The Royal Cancer Commission hearings had then come to the same conclusions that Rene had – that Essiac was a cure for cancer.
ER: What is Essiac exactly?
GG: Essiac is a non-toxic Native herbal cure for cancer. It’s a formula made from four very common herbs.
ER: I would guess that virtually every person in the U.S. today has been touched by cancer, either personally or through a loved one. If this information is true, and the effectiveness of this remedy is actually medically documented, many lives could be saved. Why do you think the information on Essiac is not more widely known?
GG: The information is withheld because cancer is the second largest revenue producing business in the world, next to the petrochemical business. Money and power suppress this truth.
No-one has ever sought to cure cancer – only control it. I mean, the research institutes, federal governments, pharmaceutical companies, anybody that has a vested interest in the health care of cancer, including the American Cancer Society, any of these stalled benefactors to those who have contracted the disease – all of these institutes are involved in the money and power around cancer.
These institutions have influence over government and regulatory agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration.. The FDA recommends only allopathic treatments for cancer and other life threatening diseases. It does not approve nor make legal alternative treatments of any kind.
ER: In your book you mention that the Brusch Clinic in Massachusetts worked with Rene Caisse and with Essiac, during the 1960s. Is this clinic still doing research with Essiac?
GG: Dr Charles A Brusch is not practicing at this time. He was a personal physician to the late President John F Kennedy. Dr. Brusch worked with Rene Caisse from 1959 to 1962. He worked with thousands of cancer patients. He also worked with the Presidential Cancer Commission, with others like Dr Armand Hammer, the American Cancer Society, and the National Cancer Institute.
Dr Brusch presented his findings after ten years of research. He had come to the conclusion that “Essiac is a cure for cancer, period.” All studies done at laboratories in the United States and Canada support this conclusion.
Brusch’s Essiac patients included Ted Kennedy’s son who had a sarcoma in his leg, and who had his leg amputated. He was being treated at the time by the Farber Cancer Institute in Boston, Massachusetts. Dr. Farber didn’t know how to save him, because no-one had ever lived with this type of sarcoma. So what he did was go to Dr. Brusch and say, how are we going to save Ted Kennedy’s son? And Dr. Brusch made the suggestion to put him on Essiac, and after they did, he didn’t have a cancer cell in his body. But all this information has been hidden from the public.
ER: Why?
GG: As I said, money and power.
ER: Sun Bear told me you had problems getting the book published and distributed. What kind of problems?
GG: There wasn’t a publishing company that would publish it. No one wanted to run the risk of a wrongful death suit. So I published the book myself. And as soon as I did, the IRS came in and slapped about a half a million dollars in tax liens against me and said, “You know this has got nothing to do with taxes. It’s all about cancer.” They actually started hauling the pallets of books out of my medical practice offices and confiscating them. I also had thousands of books that were confiscated by the Canadian government at customs. I have never received any of those books back. The only ones I have now are hidden in storage facilities.
ER: That’s incredible – why do you think they are so interested in keeping this book out of circulation?
GG: Money and power, as I’ve said. Cancer is the largest revenue producing business in the world next to the petrochemical business.
When Rene Caisse set up her clinical trials in Canada to test Essiac, she was given government permission to treat terminally ill cancer patients who had been given up for hopeless by the medical profession. That was one criteria. Secondly, this was all to be certified by a pathology report. And third, she could not charge anything for her services. She agreed to all these criteria and proceeded to treat people with Essiac. Many she treated were still here 35 years later to bury her when she died at age 90.
The best that anyone can do is try to disseminate this information to the public and let people make their own choices. That’s all you can do. And just say, look, if you feel that Essiac has value in your life and the lives of your loved ones, you have the right to use it in the privacy of your own home and without anyone’s approval.
Following the Royal Cancer Commission hearings Rene was allowed to continue her practice but only within the criteria I mentioned before, which allowed the Ministry of Health & Welfare to restrict peoples access to Essiac treatments.
I know this because I have a copy of the hearing transcripts which I got from Mary McPherson, which is some of the information that didn’t get burned when Rene died.
ER: You mentioned earlier. What exactly was burned?
GG: All her research for that 40 year period of time. All the names, all her clinical data that she had collected. All her files.
ER: What about the records of the Brusch Clinic? It seems these would be convincing evidence.
GG: As far as I know all that material has been destroyed also.
ER: Have you had any personal experiences with Essiac?
GG: Yes, I can give you an example. He was a twelve year old boy named Toby Wood. He had acute lymphoblastic, which is one of the most virulent of all leukemias.
He had been on chemotherapy for four years and radiation for three. His mother’s only hope in life was to find a cure for him. She went everywhere. She tried every alternative treatment.
Her last stop was Dr Alvados in Athens, Greece where her son’s white blood cell count was 186, 000. He had no red blood cells or platelets. He was hemorrhaging to death. So they transfused Toby in Greece, and put him on a plane to Alaska where he was given five days to live.
I met his mother’s sister in Los Angeles while I was putting the book together and she asked if there was any credibility here. We sat down and talked. She then borrowed the money for a flight to Anchorage, and delivered a bottle of Essiac. By the time she got there Toby had three days to live. He was in a state of complete deterioration. He was given the Essiac and all the hemorrhaging stopped within 24 hours. Within three months all his blood tests were normal. I arrived in Alaska later that year and met him.
This was the first report anywhere in medical history of anyone surviving lymphoblastic leukemia. That information was taken to AP and UPI but they said it was not newsworthy.
No one wants this information disseminated. And it’s not just the media, either. It includes the herbal companies who are now substituting curly dock for sheep’s sorrel. So people are getting the wrong ingredients for Essiac, not to mention the five or six other formulas that are circulating which are different from the one I send out. These false formulas are being disseminated. There is a disinformation campaign going on here, somehow.
ER: It’s beginning to seem amazing to me that any information at all about this remedy has survived the “conspiracy of silence” or outright destruction of records and so on.
GG: The only reason Essiac is known to the public is by word of mouth and because Essiac is what it is. What will keep Essiac known is it’s effectiveness. Rene said it years ago. She said, look, if Essiac doesn’t have any merit let me put it out there. If it doesn’t have any merit it will kill itself. Of course she knew full well if people had the correct herbs, the remedy would stand on its own.. And that is exactly what Essiac has done over this period of time that we’ve been disseminating the information.
Rene also found that Essiac would normalise the thyroid gland. My wife was on two grains of thyroid since the sixth grade. After I met her, she started taking Essiac, and she hasn’t taken a grain of thyroid since.
Rene also found that Essiac would heal stomach ulcers within three to four weeks. She felt that ulcers were a precursor to cancer.
Sir Frederick Banting, the co-discoverer of insulin, wanted to work with Rene. She had clinical cases where a person on insulin discontinued it with the Essiac, since no one knew how Essiac interacted with the insulin. Apparently Essiac regulated the pancreas in cases of diabetes mellitus. So these people then came insulin free.
Another thing I’ve found with Essiac is that I’ve experienced almost perfect health. As you get older you think, well, I’m forty now, these things happen. Well, these things don’t have to happen. Since I’ve taken Essiac, I’ve experienced almost perfect health. It’s amazing. I sleep like a baby, have all kinds of energy, and no sickness, not even a cold or the flu.
I also worked with the AIDS Project Los Angeles through their Long Beach and San Pedro districts. They had sent 179 patients home to die. They all had pneumocystis carinii and histoplasmosis. Their weight was down to about 100 pounds. Their T-4 cell counts were less that ten. The Project gave me five of these patients. I took them off the AZT and the DDI and put them on Essiac three times a day. Those are the only ones alive today. The other 174 are dead.
ER: That is incredible – but what kind of lives are they leading today?
GG: They’re exercising three times a day, eating three meals a day. Their weight is back to normal. For all intents and purposes you wouldn’t know they had a sick day in their lives. But this information is not being disseminated either, because AIDS is on the horizon as another big moneymaker. The chairman of the AIDS Project in Los Angeles makes over $100, 000 a year.
Really once you think about it, the only reason we don’t have solar power is that no one’s figured out a way to sell Exxon the sun. It’s true. If they could, you’d have solar power. You know you’d have it.
ER: So, in your own personal experience, this Native herbal remedy works to “cure” cancer, thyroid conditions, diabetes, AIDS, ulcers…
GG: It also cures the common cold. Essiac elevates the immune system. I’ve been taking one ounce a day for seven years, and in seven years I haven’t had a cold, flu or virus.
ER: And all of this from a simple Native herbal remedy?
GG: Yes. The ingredients are burdock root -arctium lappa – and the inner bark of the slippery elm -ulmus fulva, ordinary rhubarb root and Sheep’s sorrel -rumex acetosella is what destroys the cancer cells.
Essiac elevates the enzyme system and gives all cancer patients and all AIDS patients the enzymes that have been destroyed. Essiac elevates the enzyme system; it elevates the hormone system, which elevates the immune system, so the body can cure it’s own disease.
ER: What about quantities?
GG: Even its worst enemy could never lay claim that Essiac had any deleterious side effects whatever. You can take Essiac safely, through all the clinical trials that have been done, up to six ounces a day. That’s two ounces in the evening, two at midday and two in the morning. That’s a high dosage. Rene had the correct herbs and she used as little as one ounce a week.
But look at the difference between then and now. The food didn’t have carcinogens in it, and neither did the water, nor the air. So what have we done? We’ve killed the air, killed the water, killed the food. So what’s left?
Nationwide, in the water we drink, over 2, 100 organic and inorganic chemicals have been identified, and 156 of them are pure carcinogens. Of those, if you have a tumor, 26 are tumor promoting, so they make the tumor larger. But of course this information is not available to the public either. Those figures are from tests conducted by the Environmental Protection Agency which have never been distributed to the public.
ER: How did you get the information?
GG: From a Ralph Nader organization out of Washington DC. The media has not disseminated this information.
ER: Anything you’d like to add before we close this interview?
GG: I was the first person to release this information to the public and say, here it is, here’s the formula, here’s the story. So now the story is out there and look what is happening – its getting killed through a disinformation campaign. I mean Harvard, Temple, Tufts, Northwestern University, Chicago – all these institutions have tested Essiac with the right stuff, and they all came to the same conclusions as Rene Caisse. But all that information has been buried.
ER: Gary, it’s been very interesting to speak with you.
GG: It’s been a pleasure. You’re opening a Pandora’s Box, you know, publishing this interview.

Subject: Essiac Ingredients

MESSAGE: The Essiac ingredients are available in proper quantities.
1 lb 5oz – Burdock Root c/s (6 1/2 cups)
1 lb – Sheep Sorrel Lvs., Pwd
4 oz – Slippery Elm Bark, Pwd
1 oz – Rhubarb Root, Pwd
Also available – 12 x 16 Amber Glass bottles with caps
makes 10 -two gallon batches;They hold first 2 gall batch
Directions to Prepare Essiac

First Read Directions Thoroughly
Supplies Needed
2-3 gallon stainless steel pots with lids
1 – strainer
1 – stainless or wooden spatula
1 – funnel
1 – timer (optional) New amber glass bottles with caps.
You will need:
8 oz Measuring cup of Essiac from mixed materials
2 gallons distilled water
Bring to a hard boil (Takes about 30 minutes) The lid is on all the time (Except while stirring). Put in Essiac Herbs – Stir – Boil. Boil hard for 10 mins (Adjust flame as needed). Turn off stove – let sit for 6 hours. After 6 hours stir thoroughly, let sit for 6 more hours. After the last 6 hours, turn heat on and bring to boil. At boiling point turn off the heat, strain into pot #2 – Clean pot #1 – strain back into pot #1. Immediately pour into bottles and put the caps on (12 x 16 oz bottles). Must be bottled hot. Store in a dark cabinet.
Directions For Use OF Essiac

Take Four Tablespoons of distilled water. Heat the water. To the heated water add Four Tablespoons (2 oz) ESSIAC. Mix and drink. To be taken at bedtime on an empty stomach. At least 2 hours after eating. Can be taken in the morning on an empty stomach. If taken in the morning do not eat for at least 2 hours after taking.
Once Opened Keep Refrigerated

In a letter written to the Canadian minister of Health, Dr. E. Bruce Hendrick, M.D., chief of the Division of Neurosurgery at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto, stated: “There are some 10 patients with surgically treated tumors of the central nervous system who have escaped from conventional methods of therapy including both radiation and chemotherapy.
The patients who were started on Essiac, in 8 out of the 10 patients, there has been a significant improvement in their neurological state.
I am impressed with the effectiveness of the treatment and the lack of side effects.

In july 1991, the Canadian Journal of Herbalism published
an article, "Old Ontario Remedies, "
about Essiac. The article gives specific information on the ingredients
of Essiac and includes descriptions of the herbs; Sheep's sorrel, burdock, slippery elm and rhubarb.
The article also warns of high oxalic acid content in two of the herbs making the remedy unsafe for persons with kidney ailments or arthritic conditions.
This article concludes: "Essiac is not a hoax or fraud.
To hear experiences described by the patients themselves cannot help
but convince observers that dramatic and beneficial changes definitely
took place in many who received the remedy.
Although the focus on Essiac has been as a cancer treatment,
it alleviated and sometimes cured many chronic and degenerative
conditions because it cleanses the blood as well as the liver and
strengthens the immune system."
Ontario Herbalists Association: July 1991 issue, Vol xii, No iii of the
Canadian Journal of Herbalism.

But saving the best until last...even AIM (American Indian Movement..which NAFPS claims to work with) endorses Essiac, states it is an Ojibwa cancer cure and praises Rene Caisse:

From AIM "For those who are seeking truth of the First American Culture"

from their Blog on Sunday May, 2, 2010

SUNDAY, MAY 2, 2010
Essiac: Nature's Cure for Cancer
Note: While this article states that Essiac has been in use since 1922 - in actuality it has been in use for many hundreds of years by the Native community of this country. - Two Feathers

sounds like nafps owes you and Essiac an apology...but don't hold your breath

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 20, 2014 9:03 pm EST

LMFAO they are getting their info off of Wikipedia and the info provided is by the FDA or the American Cancer Institute/Society and a lot of it is wrong! Not one credible Native American source listed, nothing from Canada WTF

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 20, 2014 7:26 pm EST

Don passed away a few years ago but he endorsed the four herb Essiac formula

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 20, 2014 7:16 pm EST

Don Cardinal, a Cree medicine man in Canada, believes the herbal blend of sheep sorrel, burdock root, slippery elm bark, and rhubarb root are keys to the treatment of cancer. Don Cardinal's Cree name is Kiweeten, or Healer of the North. Of the original Ojibwa brew, Cardinal said, “It is important that the herbs are mixed in the correct proportions. When I pick the herbs myself, I always say a prayer and make my offering of tobacco to say thank you to the Creator for giving us these herbs. Even when I do not gather the herbs myself, when I buy them, in case those who gathered them did not offer thanks, I always say a prayer and make an offering before I use them.”

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 16, 2014 5:37 pm EST

Re: Cherry Valley Farm

Posted by: Kathryn

Your friend may have Irish blood, but I see nothing culturally Irish on the site.

Why does she have to have anything culturally Irish on her farm because she is Irish? If she wants to dress in a kilt and eat haggis or picks up an accordian and sings German Oktoberfest songs or creates a shrine to Buddha and meditates under a tree, that is her own business. What is with the keeping the race pure nazi belief?

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 16, 2014 4:38 pm EST


Re: nature's retreat outside of Toronto, Ontario
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 01:06:23 AM

I know more canadian aborigonals than not who combine tradition with christianity.


Re: Nora Anderson - noraWalksInSpirit
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 01:41:26 PM »
If she wants to be or is called to participate in christian teachings, I don't know that combining the two is appropriate.

so it is okay for the canadian aboriginals she knows but not for Nora?

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 16, 2014 2:57 pm EST

recommended, "Black Root Medicine - The Original Native American Essiac Formula" Mali Klein.

In the news

Ontario girl can rely on traditional medicine to treat cancer, court rules
In a precedent-setting case, Ontario Court Justice Gethin Edward has ruled that a Brantford girl and aboriginal children like her now have the right to refuse medical treatment in favour of traditional healing.

Surrounded by family, including her mother Sonya, Makayla Sault, 11, spoke at an event in Ohsweken Sunday. Makayla and her family have rejected chemotherapy for her cancer, choosing instead traditional native healing. Another aboriginal girl with the same cancer has won a precedent-setting case in Ontario court to allow her to continue traditional treatment.

By: Joanna Frketich Hamilton Spectator, Published on Fri Nov 14 2014
Aboriginal children now have the right to refuse medical treatment in favour of traditional healing.
The Friday ruling is about Canada’s Constitution protecting aboriginal rights.
Ontario Court Justice Gethin Edward has now expanded those rights to include traditional healing, saying “there is no question it forms an integral part.”
“This is monumental for our people all across the country, ” said Six Nations Chief Ava Hill. “This is precedent-setting for us.”
First Nations spectators in the standing-room-only Brantford courtroom burst into applause and tears as Edward dismissed an application by McMaster Children’s Hospital to have the girl apprehended by Brant Family and Children’s Services and forced into treatment. That agency had refused to intervene.
“I feel I’ve transcended something bigger than all of us, ” said the girl’s aunt when she phoned the mother to deliver the news. It came down to Edward’s conclusion that the mother’s choice to pursue traditional medicine “is her aboriginal right.”
“This is not an eleventh hour epiphany employed to take her daughter out of the rigours of chemotherapy, ” the judge wrote in his decision. “Rather it is a decision made by a mother, on behalf of a daughter she truly loves, steeped in a practice that has been rooted in their culture from its beginnings.”
“It is this Court’s conclusion therefore, that (the mother’s) decision to pursue traditional medicine for her daughter is her aboriginal right. Further, such a right cannot be qualified as a right only if it is proven to work by employing the western medical paradigm. To do so would be to leave open the opportunity to perpetually erode aboriginal rights.”
“It was the right decision, ” said New Credit Chief Bryan LaForme. “He could not rule any other way. It’s upholding our traditional rights.”
He raised the prospect along with Hill of First Nations creating its own child welfare agency.
“We have a right to look after our own kids, ” said Hill. “We’re not going to let anyone take our kids. This is a big boost for this.”
The chiefs say the girl in this case as well as another aboriginal girl, who refused chemotherapy, are both healthy.
Both girls sought treatment at an alternative health centre that is run by a nutrition counsellor. It promotes a positive attitude, eating a raw-plant-based organic diet and ridding your life of contaminants to heal cancer.
“Eat a raw plant-based organic diet is how we’ve seen thousands and thousands of people reverse stage-four ‘catastrophic’ cancer.”
The girls are getting aboriginal medicine as well. In fact, Koster said that when he visited, the mother “was preparing medicine on the stove.”
“My heart goes out to them” said Koster who was “so proud” to be part of a decision that furthered aboriginal rights.
“I’m glad out of a tragic situation we have certain rights confirmed.”

Doug A.
, CA
Nov 16, 2014 12:07 pm EST

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Essiac is not a fraud, other formulas are but Essiac is not. Flor Essence is not the original formula and has herbs in it that are not in the original tribal formula. There is a reason that there is a warning to "Beware Counterfeits" on Essiac. The original Native American Essiac formula, "Black Root Medicine" is even on archive at the Sheila Snow Fraser Essiac Archive. The Four Directions Medicine is the 4 herb formula...burdock, sheep sorrel, slippery elm and rhubarb...they were all found in the wilds of Ontario in the 19th century. There were 4 other herbs that could be used in certain circumstances listed with the original tribal formula: goldthread root, watercress root, periwinkle root and red clover root. Rene Caisse stuck with the four directions medicine as it was more potent and there was less sediment and it kept longer. She always gave credit to "the Indians" for the formula and never made money on it. She just wanted to help people with cancer.

"Cate Crow's fake plagiarized cancer cure" is not mine, it is not fake and it has a long history of success in treating the disease. It is called "The Ojibwa cancer cure" up here but that is just a well known term used. I wrote an article called native cancer teas, not native cancer cures and I included the source. I also passed the tea recipe quoting an Ontario Ojibwa elder on to friends who were suffering from cancer or knew someone who was and it helped them and I will continue to share the original native/essiac tea recipe with friends.

There is one person on the nafps board with a Swedish or German sounding name calling it a fraud. This is the same person who said there was no cancer industry. When cancer drugs make $170 billion in profit, the CEO of the American Cancer Society makes over $1, 000, 000 in salary and benefits and their collective employees makes over $345, 000, 000 (and those are 2006 published stats...they make more now) is not exactly non-profit charity work. Cancer is the #1 most profitable disease, period. Any potential cures over the years get buried...or this farce happens... Rene Caisse went through the same nonsense. The FDA, the pharmaceutical companies, the government are all in bed with one another...the bottomline is always patents and profit. Good for little Makalay Sault. I would do the same thing if I were in her shoes.

I did find out that "Old lady Johnson" who was treating and curing people of cancer in the 1870's in Thornton, Ontario with the formula the Ojibwa gave her who overwintered on her land was not the same Mrs. Johnson/Johnston that Sheila Snow identified as giving the formula from the Indian medicine man to Rene Caisse in 1922. Mrs. Johnson from Thornton died in 1906.

"The Ojibwa who were nomadic, over-wintered in a valley just at the South edge of the Johnson farm which was just south of Cherry Valley Farm. This whole area was known as a traveling area to the natives long before the settlers arrived. After that time, the natives would negotiate with the farmers for camping grounds for the winter in exchange for basswood trees to make baskets. My sister-in-law still has one that her Grandmother bought.

The Ojibwa had a cancer cure which they freely gave to the white man. "Old lady Johnson" had people coming from all over the States and Canada for this cure, which the Ojibwa had generously given to her.
My Grandfather told me his mother Orpha brought her mother Charity Ann Barber from Norfolk County for this cure. During the course of the treatments, his mother met and fell in love with the farm boy next door at Cherry Valley. They corresponded for a year and the next time they met was on their wedding floor. Dr. Frederick Banting who discovered insulin in the early 1920's, knew Rene Caisse and found the Essiac formula equally helpful for those with diabetes. Dr. Banting even offered Rene Caisse his research facilities to test the formula and he stated, "Essiac actuates the pancreatic gland into normal functioning". Oddly enough, John H. Banting who married my Great Aunt, Francis. E. Davis and their children, were related to Dr. Frederick Banting who resided in Alliston just to the southwest of Cherry Valley Farm." Nancy Huber.

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