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ACS - CHECK YOUR AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE!

I've been dealing with ACS since our loans were transfered to them in January, 2006. At least once a year they lose a payment, attributed it to one loan and not the other, and in both cases charge me late fees and contact the credit agencies. We pay our monthly payment directly through our bank on the same date every month - 10 days ahead of the due date. I had proof that my check was sent on 8/4/10 and that it cleared on 8/29/10. But ACS said they had no record of it and I would need to get a copy from my bank to prove it. In the meantime, they are charging me late fees and sending notices that they will be reporting me to the credit agencies. Curious because of their chronic mismanagement of my accounts, I signed into their site and reviewed the history of my account. It was shocking to see that my payments were going to mostly interest and barely paying down the principle - after 8 years of payments, I'd barely made a dent. I called and spoke with a representative who told me that that the amounts paid to interest vs. the principle are dependent upon what day of the month the check arrives. Now, my checks go out on the 4th every month yet somehow they were cashed and credited to my account on all different days - sometimes the 12th, others the 29th. When I asked the rep to further clarify, she said that the interest is accrued daily and that when my check is applied can significantly alter whether or not my principle decreases. Yet, I send my check on the same day every month and there's great variance to when it gets cleared by ACS.

Growing frustrated and more curious, I searched online and found this case...Fensterstock vs. Education Finance Partners/ACS - Affiliated Computer Services. Apparently I'm not the only one who finds this company's actions questionable.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1531053.html

Also read this story:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/law/20100803/13/3327

And this one titled: Recent Case Over Misapplied Student Loan Payments Opens Door for Possible Class Action Lawsuit
http://studentlendinganalytics.typepad.com/student_lending_analytics/2009/03/recent-case-over-misapplied-student-loan-payments-opens-door-for-possible-class-action-lawsuit.html

In short, taken from the first story cited above:

In ruling on Fensterstock's suit, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in Manhattan, just handed him a major victory. In a decision written by Judge Amalya Kearse, Fensterstock won the right to form a class action with others who entered the same agreement with the defendants. He also won the right to litigate in federal court rather than submit to arbitration.

Shortly after he graduated from Law School in Hempstead, N.Y., and become a lawyer, Fensterstock had accepted the defendant's offer to consolidate his student loans into a single loan of $52, 915.49 at an annual interest rate of 9.32 percent. At the end of the loan period of 29 years, he would have paid approximately three times the amount with monthly payments being applied "first to charges, costs and fees; next to unpaid interest and then to principal."

Fensterstock's payments were due on the 14th of every month, and he always mailed them in ahead of that date. After seven months, he had paid $7, 051.84 but he realized that by far the largest share of his payments was being applied to interest. In other words, his debt was being reduced by only $17 a month.

This, he was told was because payments had to arrive on exactly the 14th -- not sooner, not later. On this basis, he calculated, there would be "an enormous" payment due at the end of the loan period -- not a final payment of $335 as he had been told at the inception.

I've contacted the attorney who represented Fensterstock. Please do the same if you believe you're wrapped up in these deceptive practices as well.

Update by bridge68
Oct 29, 2010 10:33 pm EDT

See below:

October 11, 2010 1:15 PM
Challenging a Student Lender Head-On

Posted by Victor Li
Buy a cell phone, apply for a credit card, sign a lease, or borrow money, and invariably you're confronted with a block of text that requires you to waive all liability. In those rare circumstances under which you can sue, you must agree to do so on the seller's terms and according to the state laws of its choosing. These "take-it-or-leave-it" adhesion provisions are usually printed in a font so small you almost need a magnifying glass to read them, and in language so obtuse you practically need a law degree to understand it.
Actually, having a law degree may not help. That's what Joshua Fensterstock learned after consolidating three private loans he'd taken out to attend Hofstra Law School in Hempstead, New York. "When I graduated, I had over $100, 000 worth of student loans, " says Fensterstock, who graduated in 2003 and worked as a real estate lawyer at New York-based real estate, corporate, and litigation boutique Isaac & Associates for five years before opening his own New York practice last July. His debt load was hardly unusual: The American Bar Association estimates that law students attending private law schools took out, on average, more than $90, 000 in loans during the period when Fensterstock was enrolled.
In 2006, Fensterstock decided to merge the remaining balances on the three private loans. The lender he chose--Education Finance Partners, a student loan company serviced by California-based Affiliated Computer Services, Inc.--gave him a 30-year loan of $52, 915.49 at a fixed interest rate of 9.32 percent. "They e-mailed me a complete package of documents, and in order to be approved, I had to sign a promissory note that came with the application, " Fensterstock says. He read the fine print and agreed to the note's terms.
Fensterstock soon noticed that though he was making regular payments, the balance on his monthly statements was rising, not falling. When he contacted ACS to report the problem in August 2007, he was told that if he didn't pay precisely on the fourteenth of each month, his payment would apply only to the interest due on the loan, not toward reducing the principal. "That wasn't in the agreement, " he says.
Fensterstock filed suit against ACS and EFP on behalf of himself and any other affected borrowers, claiming the two entities had engaged in fraudulent and deceptive practices. One catch: Filing suit violated a provision of the promissory note he signed under which he waived the right to pursue class actions or other representative claims and agreed that arbitration decide all individual claims. Fensterstock challenged that provision in his suit as well.
"We alleged that this class waiver would discourage people from standing up for their rights, " says his lawyer, Orin Kurtz of New York-based law firm Abbey Spanier Rodd & Abrams, noting that Fensterstock claims ACS and EFP have cheated a large number of borrowers out of small sums. "After all, how many individuals would bother going to arbitration for a few hundred dollars? A class action is the opportunity for many individuals banding together to take on a big corporation. That raises the stakes and may encourage the defendant to address the issue more squarely."
Edward Lenci of Hinshaw & Culbertson, a Chicago-based firm that represents ACS, is unsympathetic. "There's a big difference between an 18-year-old kid who signs a cell phone agreement because he doesn't know any better and he's under pressure from a salesman, and a 35-year-old lawyer, " Lenci says. "He should have known what he was signing."
So far, the courts have disagreed. In July, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that the promissory note's class waiver and arbitration clauses were "unconscionable" under California law (the disputed promissory note specified the laws of ACS's home state as the ultimate authority), rejecting the defendants' argument that, as a lawyer, Fensterstock should have known better. "We have seen nothing in his education, experience, or expertise to suggest that he had any meaningful opportunity to negotiate that clause out of the contract, " Judge Amalya Kearse wrote on behalf of a unanimous three-judge panel.
Many lawyers don't understand their loan terms, says Heather Jarvis, senior program manager at Equal Justice Works, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit organization that encourages lawyers to pursue public service careers. "They're sophisticated people, and even they have a very difficult time understanding their loans and their options, " she says. "Certainly, when they were students, they did not understand what they were getting into."
In its ruling, the Second Circuit found that arbitration was an inadequate remedy because it didn't give Fensterstock enough of a chance to negotiate with the lender, and created a disincentive for individuals to sue.
Lenci, who has filed a petition asking the Second Circuit to rehear the case, is adamant that, in line with the Federal Arbitration Act (FAA), the disputed clauses should be upheld. "Hopefully, the Second Circuit will grant rehearing and decide that the FAA preempts California law on its own, " Lenci says. "Otherwise, we would have to petition the Supreme Court for certiorari." Lenci notes that the Court is set to decide whether the arbitration act does indeed preempt state unconscionability laws like the one at issue in Fensterstock's suit when it considers AT&T Mobility LLC v. Concepcion in the upcoming term. "The Second Circuit might decide to wait and see what the Supreme Court does in Concepcion, " says Lenci. "It's unlikely but possible."
As for Fensterstock, he's preparing for the discovery phase of what he hopes will be certified as a class action suit--and making regular loan payments, though not always on the fourteenth. "Some months they apply it to the principal, some months they don't, " he says. "The problem is when you send a payment either through mail or electronically, you have no control over when they post the payment. I don't understand what they're doing. Hopefully, we'll clear it up once we start discovery."

Update by bridge68
Oct 29, 2010 10:34 pm EDT

read below please!

October 11, 2010 1:15 PM
Challenging a Student Lender Head-On

Posted by Victor Li
Buy a cell phone, apply for a credit card, sign a lease, or borrow money, and invariably you're confronted with a block of text that requires you to waive all liability. In those rare circumstances under which you can sue, you must agree to do so on the seller's terms and according to the state laws of its choosing. These "take-it-or-leave-it" adhesion provisions are usually printed in a font so small you almost need a magnifying glass to read them, and in language so obtuse you practically need a law degree to understand it.
Actually, having a law degree may not help. That's what Joshua Fensterstock learned after consolidating three private loans he'd taken out to attend Hofstra Law School in Hempstead, New York. "When I graduated, I had over $100, 000 worth of student loans, " says Fensterstock, who graduated in 2003 and worked as a real estate lawyer at New York-based real estate, corporate, and litigation boutique Isaac & Associates for five years before opening his own New York practice last July. His debt load was hardly unusual: The American Bar Association estimates that law students attending private law schools took out, on average, more than $90, 000 in loans during the period when Fensterstock was enrolled.
In 2006, Fensterstock decided to merge the remaining balances on the three private loans. The lender he chose--Education Finance Partners, a student loan company serviced by California-based Affiliated Computer Services, Inc.--gave him a 30-year loan of $52, 915.49 at a fixed interest rate of 9.32 percent. "They e-mailed me a complete package of documents, and in order to be approved, I had to sign a promissory note that came with the application, " Fensterstock says. He read the fine print and agreed to the note's terms.
Fensterstock soon noticed that though he was making regular payments, the balance on his monthly statements was rising, not falling. When he contacted ACS to report the problem in August 2007, he was told that if he didn't pay precisely on the fourteenth of each month, his payment would apply only to the interest due on the loan, not toward reducing the principal. "That wasn't in the agreement, " he says.
Fensterstock filed suit against ACS and EFP on behalf of himself and any other affected borrowers, claiming the two entities had engaged in fraudulent and deceptive practices. One catch: Filing suit violated a provision of the promissory note he signed under which he waived the right to pursue class actions or other representative claims and agreed that arbitration decide all individual claims. Fensterstock challenged that provision in his suit as well.
"We alleged that this class waiver would discourage people from standing up for their rights, " says his lawyer, Orin Kurtz of New York-based law firm Abbey Spanier Rodd & Abrams, noting that Fensterstock claims ACS and EFP have cheated a large number of borrowers out of small sums. "After all, how many individuals would bother going to arbitration for a few hundred dollars? A class action is the opportunity for many individuals banding together to take on a big corporation. That raises the stakes and may encourage the defendant to address the issue more squarely."
Edward Lenci of Hinshaw & Culbertson, a Chicago-based firm that represents ACS, is unsympathetic. "There's a big difference between an 18-year-old kid who signs a cell phone agreement because he doesn't know any better and he's under pressure from a salesman, and a 35-year-old lawyer, " Lenci says. "He should have known what he was signing."
So far, the courts have disagreed. In July, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that the promissory note's class waiver and arbitration clauses were "unconscionable" under California law (the disputed promissory note specified the laws of ACS's home state as the ultimate authority), rejecting the defendants' argument that, as a lawyer, Fensterstock should have known better. "We have seen nothing in his education, experience, or expertise to suggest that he had any meaningful opportunity to negotiate that clause out of the contract, " Judge Amalya Kearse wrote on behalf of a unanimous three-judge panel.
Many lawyers don't understand their loan terms, says Heather Jarvis, senior program manager at Equal Justice Works, a Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit organization that encourages lawyers to pursue public service careers. "They're sophisticated people, and even they have a very difficult time understanding their loans and their options, " she says. "Certainly, when they were students, they did not understand what they were getting into."
In its ruling, the Second Circuit found that arbitration was an inadequate remedy because it didn't give Fensterstock enough of a chance to negotiate with the lender, and created a disincentive for individuals to sue.
Lenci, who has filed a petition asking the Second Circuit to rehear the case, is adamant that, in line with the Federal Arbitration Act (FAA), the disputed clauses should be upheld. "Hopefully, the Second Circuit will grant rehearing and decide that the FAA preempts California law on its own, " Lenci says. "Otherwise, we would have to petition the Supreme Court for certiorari." Lenci notes that the Court is set to decide whether the arbitration act does indeed preempt state unconscionability laws like the one at issue in Fensterstock's suit when it considers AT&T Mobility LLC v. Concepcion in the upcoming term. "The Second Circuit might decide to wait and see what the Supreme Court does in Concepcion, " says Lenci. "It's unlikely but possible."
As for Fensterstock, he's preparing for the discovery phase of what he hopes will be certified as a class action suit--and making regular loan payments, though not always on the fourteenth. "Some months they apply it to the principal, some months they don't, " he says. "The problem is when you send a payment either through mail or electronically, you have no control over when they post the payment. I don't understand what they're doing. Hopefully, we'll clear it up once we start discovery."

Update by bridge68
Oct 06, 2010 7:42 pm EDT

ACS - CHECK YOUR AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE - does it seem like the principal owed isn't decreasing? Here's why...

I've been dealing with ACS since our loans were transfered to them in January, 2006. At least once a year they lose a payment, attributed it to one loan and not the other, and in both cases charge me late fees and contact the credit agencies. We pay our monthly payment directly through our bank on the same date every month - 10 days ahead of the due date. I had proof that my check was sent on 8/4/10 and that it cleared on 8/29/10. But ACS said they had no record of it and I would need to get a copy from my bank to prove it. In the meantime, they are charging me late fees and sending notices that they will be reporting me to the credit agencies. Curious because of their chronic mismanagement of my accounts, I signed into their site and reviewed the history of my account. It was shocking to see that my payments were going to mostly interest and barely paying down the principle - after 8 years of payments, I'd barely made a dent. I called and spoke with a representative who told me that that the amounts paid to interest vs. the principle are dependent upon what day of the month the check arrives. Now, my checks go out on the 4th every month yet somehow they were cashed and credited to my account on all different days - sometimes the 12th, others the 29th. When I asked the rep to further clarify, she said that the interest is accrued daily and that when my check is applied can significantly alter whether or not my principle decreases. Yet, I send my check on the same day every month and there's great variance to when it gets cleared by ACS.

Growing frustrated and more curious, I searched online and found this case...Fensterstock vs. Education Finance Partners/ACS - Affiliated Computer Services. Apparently I'm not the only one who finds this company's actions questionable.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1531053.html

Also read this story:
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/law/20100803/13/3327

And this one titled: Recent Case Over Misapplied Student Loan Payments Opens Door for Possible Class Action Lawsuit
http://studentlendinganalytics.typepad.com/student_lending_analytics/2009/03/recent-case-over-misapplied-student-loan-payments-opens-door-for-possible-class-action-lawsuit.html

In short, taken from the first story cited above:

In ruling on Fensterstock's suit, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in Manhattan, just handed him a major victory. In a decision written by Judge Amalya Kearse, Fensterstock won the right to form a class action with others who entered the same agreement with the defendants. He also won the right to litigate in federal court rather than submit to arbitration.

Shortly after he graduated from Law School in Hempstead, N.Y., and become a lawyer, Fensterstock had accepted the defendant's offer to consolidate his student loans into a single loan of $52, 915.49 at an annual interest rate of 9.32 percent. At the end of the loan period of 29 years, he would have paid approximately three times the amount with monthly payments being applied "first to charges, costs and fees; next to unpaid interest and then to principal."

Fensterstock's payments were due on the 14th of every month, and he always mailed them in ahead of that date. After seven months, he had paid $7, 051.84 but he realized that by far the largest share of his payments was being applied to interest. In other words, his debt was being reduced by only $17 a month.

This, he was told was because payments had to arrive on exactly the 14th -- not sooner, not later. On this basis, he calculated, there would be "an enormous" payment due at the end of the loan period -- not a final payment of $335 as he had been told at the inception.

I've contacted the attorney who represented Fensterstock. Please do the same if you believe you're wrapped up in these deceptive practices as well.

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gigib
, US
Sep 04, 2016 9:51 am EDT
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I am with all of you. I as well keep on running into issues with ACS. I am diligent on making my payments on time. However, I keep getting past due notifications. It constantly feels that I am having to double check my payments every month and contact them to fix the issue. Also, I reapply for IBR every year and it always seems that there is an issue with my paperwork. I also have loans from Sallie Mae, and do not experience any of these issues through them.

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y j
, US
Aug 17, 2016 10:17 am EDT

Can someone please tell me how we can get a class action lawsuit of this company started? I have deferred my loan on several occasions only to have them call me and tell me that my loan is past due. They never get the signed paperwork I send to them regarding the deferment and they are reporting me as being late on my credit which has caused my FICA score to plummet. I need assistance from someone who has already started or wishes to start a class action lawsuit for their unethical practices.

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James C Hill
, US
Aug 16, 2016 9:43 pm EDT

I'm right there with you guys. It's been 18 years, I have barely made a dent in the amount owed after paying 3 times the interest. I threatened tonight to their "email" which will do little good, that I will contact the Better Business Bureau and my Senators and Congressional Representatives. It's time they wipe the slate clean as they have more than earned their money back! I've been paying extra only to have them "trick" me to said my loans are "prepaid" which accrues interest. I can't make payments until the pre-payment goes away and get back to monthly payments. It's high-time we threaten with a class-action lawsuit and sue based upon our overall contribution over the years. They are worse than loan sharks and predatory lenders. Years ago, they screwed up when i sent an extra $1000.00 and waited six months to "find" I had not paid the main loan of the 3 loans and my SSN. So, I called. They rep I spoke with said there was no-way to look up the amortization information and payment schedule. I told her after getting her name and Op number that I would hand up the phone, call the then Florida Loan Association and the Internal Revenue Service to perform a full sweep financially. Within 5 minutes, I had the regional head of the Eastern seaboard calling me and telling me he could see on his screen where they messed up. I requested 3 main letters to be written that were apologizes and explained their screw-up and then and notarize them and sign. I wanted a letter sent to me and one sent to the College I attended. That fixed the problem. Now, after all of these years, I realized after all the loyal payments, I was not making a dent in payment and lowering the amount due. They have to eliminate at least the interest or the new "bubble" of student loans that will now forces more and more graduates to go into default and they will get no money. FM and FM will financially collapse completely and finally destroy our American economy for good. This could be very, very financially bad! I think it's time to sue for over payment and false businesses. Class-action style!

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Rob Fields
, US
May 28, 2016 6:16 pm EDT

I am a graduate student at an online school, American College of Education. They are accredited. I have been taking 6 credit hours or more for the past year. ACS has denied my in-school deferment repeatedly. Now, they are threatening me with wage garnishment, and they want to collect the entirety of the student loans that they hold, over $25, 000. Frustrated on the East Coast. -----I am trying to find a class-action lawsuit to join against them, or even file a new case, perhaps an injunction? Could I get an injunction, everything seems hopeless with this company and this situation.

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Clubpotentiality
Portland, US
May 23, 2014 10:51 am EDT

ACS is getting sneaky, I graduated in 2012 and tried to find work. Call Center Sprint ACS hires me and about a dozen others, they hire me on Friday give me a saliva drug screen, in which I got sick from the swab that was put in my mouth to get the specimen. I am to report to TODD M CROUSE (looks like a corporation) that doesn't give any contact information, and the HR person Lydia sends me a link to fill out my direct deposit info, accept that I'm giving them access to my intellectual property (voice, photos, cameras) because I'm being employed by them supposedly. Well luckily I had a gutt feeling not to put in my checking account info in for the direct deposit, because after I filled out all their online paperwork, they terminated me. I reported them to Oregon Wage and Hour, and BOLI. Do you know any other places to get paid for the hours that I worked?

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susan cabot
Boston, US
May 19, 2014 8:28 pm EDT

ACS is currently bombarding me with phone calls saying that I owe a past payment on my account, which I don'tt. At first, they said it was for March of this year. I sent my bank statement to Utica showing the date on which ACS cashed my March payment. Then they said it was January that was missing. Again, I sent my bank statement showing when ACS cashed the January payment. This evening, they are saying it is October of last year that is missing, which is incorrect, so tomorrow I will send my bank statement showing that ACS cashed my October payment. How long will they keep accusing me of a missing payment, when I'm paid up to date and when they keep changing the month that they think I didn't pay? Their accusations are damaging to reputation, my having to do their bookkeeping for them is stressful and time-consuming, and their calls have become a form of harassment. Is anyone still considering a class action lawsuit?

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gracie5555
Kent, US
Feb 05, 2011 9:14 pm EST

i do not no where to begin but i highly suggest this to anybodt thinking of getting a loan DO NOT DO IT WITH ACS! iam a victim of ID theft/fraud i ha this happen to me once before. but this company called me one day demanding money from me first it was 350, then, 450, then 500 i didnt take out any loan i do not work or have any debit credit or acounts of any kind active or open they cliam i owe them all this money they hang up on me REFUSE to give me any information regarding this they wont tell me the date of the loan the amount anything. none of them can speak english very well at all they lie curesed at me hung up on me gave me false information to where they were located withheld information from me they blow up my phone back to back i contacted a lawyer and now in the prcoess of taking them to court these people have made me so angry they are the most disrespectful stupid shady ### company ever! the co_workers names are fake i can not believe that there is actually a standing business like them out there. these people got me so mad i felt like come through the phone and slap every single one of them they are fake phony liars who try to con money out of anybody they told me there from NY come to find out they where calling me from MA no company like them should be allowed in this world and i truly hope every one of them looses there jobs.

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Lee Langevin
Encinitas, US
Oct 29, 2010 10:07 pm EDT
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My wife is experiencing unauthorized changes and terrible and deceptive practices. Can you someone please post the attorney's name to contact. If we all get together, we can make them change.

Thanks!

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