tubie

It's obvious that the so-called email from Debbie Kern to Rushell Profenno was created by Lea Winkler herself. The language, capitalization, and spelling errors are consistent with the other 2 posts from "Frosty Paw".

Please read these posts regarding Lea Winkler formerly of Hickory Goldens, Desert Sun Goldens, & now Frosty Paws Goldens:
http://betterbreederscorner.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2801

This is a report that she left about another breeder:
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Hmmm...a well-thought out post that states provable facts or several short, vulgar rants. Wonder which one is the truthful one here?

Hmm...another set of rants written by Lea, hiding under the alias of jackbequick. I hope that anyone reading these will see exactly what kind of person Lea is from what she is writing.

"For every puppy that is purchased from a breeder (pet store), a dog or cat is euthanized. Please, have a heart..Pet adoption is always the humane option."

Sorry, but this reasoning is absurd and lacks any real evidence that proves it. Someone who wants a healthy, well-bred purebred puppy is not going to adopt a mixed-breed adult dog with an unknown health history from a shelter. That's a fact. Wanting to have a dog with a specific look, behavior, or purpose does not make someone a bad person. It also doesn't make them responsible for the lives of the shelter dogs that they weren't going to adopt in the first place.

The overpopulation problem is not being caused by responsible breeders. Responsible breeders place their pet puppies on contracts that require spay & neuter and the return of the pup if the owner no longer wants or can no longer keep it. Overpopulation, where it exists, is caused by irresponsible owners. Irresponsible owners who let their dogs breed indiscriminately, owners who buy a puppy on impulse from a pet store then decide that they can't keep it any longer, owners who don't do their homework and end up with a puppy that does not fit into their lifestyle, owners who just want to make a buck by having puppies, and owners who don't train their dogs and dump them when they become uncontrollable.

If you truly want to stop the overpopulation problem, work on the irresponsible owners.

BTW, in reality, nationwide pet overpopulation is a myth. There are some shelters in the US that regularly import dogs from others countries because they have none of their own. There are also shelters who bring in dogs from other states for the same reasons. There are areas in the US that definitely have an overpopulation problem but that doesn't mean that it exists everywhere.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-21-dog-imports_N.htm
http://www.spanieljournal.com/33lbaughan.html
http://understandingdogs.net/prod/newsevents/news/64-shelter-dogs-in-kuwait-

Dawniette,

I never said "People have a right to customize their "accessories", so to speak...Mutts are SO ugly. They deserve to be put to death!", that was you. Read it again - what I said was that people have a right to adopt/buy whatever type of dog they feel like - whether it be a rescue, a pound puppy, or a dog from a breeder. Choosing to buy a dog instead of adopting doesn't make someone responsible for the lives of the dogs that are not adopted. Would you make the same argument if someone did adopt from a shelter but chose a puppy instead of an adult- "Oh, they adopted a puppy from the shelter, now an older dog is going to die"?

"I feel ( supply and demand) if there weren't SOO many puppies readily available, then a person would either HAVE to adopt or not have a dog at all"

Do I understand this correctly? You would rather someone NOT have a dog if they don't want to adopt one from a shelter? Why should anyone be denied the love of a dog simply because they prefer a dog of a specific type or breed? Question for you, what happens after all the shelter dogs are adopted and no one is allowed to breed any longer? Where does the next generation get their dogs from?

Take a better look at the complaints in this section. 99% of them were made by people who didn't do their homework beforehand and bought a puppy from a breeder who was not reputable or responsible. When a puppy is bought from someone who doesn't care enough to do the suggested health testing, the chances of a getting a healthy puppy are greatly reduced. There are very few, if any complaints against breeders who do verifiable health testing, who require spaying/neutering, and who have a take-back clause in their contracts. These breeders have put hundreds if not thousands into the health and well-being of their puppies. They know the history behind their dogs and any particular quirks the breed might have. They carefully screen potential buyers and turn away any that they feel are not a suitable fit for their puppies. You talk about comparing apples to oranges - that is exactly what you are doing when you compare a reputable, responsible breeder to the breeders that are mainly featured on this site.

If you were to say that there are too many puppies being IRRESPONSIBLY bred, then I would agree with you.

It's fairly obvious that rocket scientist no brainer = Lea(h) Winkler - the punctuation and constant CAPS are a dead giveaway.

I wonder what Golden Duck kennels would say if they were told about and shown all of the rather nasty messages that Lea has left about any breeder who crosses her? Considering that he seems to be a well-respected breeder and judge, I'm fairly sure that he wouldn't want to be associated with such garbage. I KNOW that Eva Sikora regrets ever becoming involved with her as well.

Debbie, have you ever considered filing a complaint with the GRCA about her conduct? At the minimum, you could get her privileges suspended for 6 months with the possibility of Expulsion at the annual meeting. If she is truly a member of the GRCA (as she claims), she is setting a horribly bad example and should not have that opportunity.

Debbie, it seems to me that someone recently (within the last 2 months) checked with the GRCA and was told that Lea was, in fact, a member. You might want to verify this for yourself.

Uh Sue C,
Your research is faulty if you didn't know that Aspenglo's Angel Fire was mildly dysplastic (she's Casee's great-grandmother - so only 3 gens back on her sire's side). Also, Maclightning Hearted Huntsman, Laurel's Lightearted Lady, Laurell's Lightfoot, and Trusti Trish (3 & 4 gens back on her dams side) have NO verifiable information listed on OFA.

Conner (Casee's sire) has sired two dogs with Hip Dysplasia - Goldenquest-Sandra-Dee-Gorham (Mild Unilateral Right) and Old Irons Beautiful Alexis (Mild). These are half-siblings to Casee out of two different ###.

You have at least 2 ### that you list on your site that you are saying are going to be bred on Prelim clearances. You state that Cydney's prelim hips came back Fair - you are aware that OFA's stand on this is "dogs that receive a preliminary evaluation of fair or mild hip joint conformation should be reevaluated at an older age (24 months)."? Your ### Chilli's latest CERF report states that she has entropion - an eye disorder that would get her excused from the show ring. Your stud dog's last verifiable CERF was done in 2007. Casee's last verifiable CERF was done in 2008. If your dog's eye exams are not submitted to CERF, your dogs are not CERF'd. They are ACVIM-cleared. CERFS/eye exams should be done every year, not once in a dogs' lifetime.

It took me all of 20 mins to find this information. The information about Angel Fire is common knowledge among those who actually research and compete with their Golden Retrievers.

Yes, you can say that this dogs' problems are a fluke but you are kidding yourself if you think that your lines are free from these issues.

Wow - no fewer than 7 puppy buyers all joined this board on the same date to post nice things about this breeder. Does that seem a little peculiar to anyone else?

rocket scientist no brainer = Lea(h) Winkler = Psychotic & Delusional

No one is a "member of the AKC". It's a registry, not a club.

Good Lord, you are dense. Anyone can go to the AKC website. That doesn't make you a "member" of the AKC. If you sign up for the WEBSITE, you become a "member" of the WEBSITE, not the AKC.

From the AKC website: "How can I become a member of the American Kennel Club?

Dog clubs, not individual people, make up the membership of the AKC. Four times each year, delegates from each of the approximately 500 independent clubs assemble at a meeting where they decide the rules of the sport and elect 12 long-time dog fanciers to sit on the Board of Directors"."

So, people are not "MEMBERS" of the AKC - get it?

You want me to call the AKC to ask them if I can be a member of the club when it is plainly posted on their website that "DOG CLUBS, NOT INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, MAKE UP THE MEMBERSHIP OF THE AKC"?

Here is the AKC's definition of itself:
"The American Kennel Club, a not-for-profit organization established in 1884, maintains a purebred dog registry, sanctions dog events and promotes responsible dog ownership."

Also on the AKC website: "The AKC is a "club of clubs." Although we have no individual members, the hundreds of independent dog clubs throughout the United States, which are licensed by us to hold dog events under our rules, do have individual members."

So, there are at least 2 different places on their site where AKC says that they have no individual members. Let me put it in plain English for you - unless you are a dog club, you are NOT a member of the AKC. You can register dogs with them, you can show dogs in AKC events, and you can become a member of their website so you get updates from them but you will NEVER be a "member" of the AKC.

BTW, since you are so familiar with the AKC website, perhaps you have already read this: http://www.akc.org/future_dog_owner/puppy_buyers_beware.cfm You must have ignored the parts where it says to check out a breeder BEFORE you send money and also to be aware of sites that use cute puppy pictures to scam potential buyers.

LOL - Lea(h) Winkler (rocket scientist no brainer) aka Frances Michaels, Robert Smith, Toby Kenobi, Hank Wilkenson, and myriad other aliases,

You do realize that constantly changing your kennel name and posting your profanity laced and completely incoherent threats everywhere just makes you look even more like you are hiding something?

Yup, great dogs all right - one of your ###, Desert Sun's Flower Of White Dove, is from White Dove, a major high volume breeder who does very few clearances. Your ###'s sire and dam have no verifiable clearances. Her grandmother and grandfather on her mother's side have no verifiable hip certifications and the grandmother has no verifiable eye clearances. Daisy herself is not yet 2 years old and you bred her on prelims, not final certifications. Her cardiac clearance was done by a practitioner, not a cardiologist. Cardiologists are specially trained to detect problems, practictioners are not.

You tout your multi-champion stud dog, Sweet Anja Charli, yet you didn't put a single title on him. You bought him with all those titles and have yet to step into a ring with him. His heart clearance was also done by a practitioner as was his half-sisters, Blue Butterfly of Golden Duck.

Your claims that you have been competing with your Goldens for years are lies. You haven't put a single title on any dogs. Most of your dogs' records on K9data have been locked by the admins because you continually change/remove data that might make you look like you might be less than reputable. You changed the name of one of your dogs with the AKC to remove reference to the breeder of your dog Frosty Paw's Moosey Moo who was formerly Frosty Paw Moose Tracks Clark Meadow. You are a fraud and the more people who know about you, the better.

PS, I like how you added Kathleen Durso (who owns Daisy's grandfather - Goldenone Star Night) and South Wind Goldens, who has posted complaints about you stealing content from her website to your rants now.

Lea(h) Winkler (rocket scientist no brainer) aka Frances Michaels, Robert Smith, Toby Kenobi, Hank Wilkenson, JACKBEQUICK, and myriad other aliases,

jackbequick's profile, note the similarities in the use of the foul language and the same style of ranting - http://www.complaintsboard.com/profile-370956

BTW, I see that you are now listing HAROLD WINKLER or HAROLD WINKLER SR as the contact person on your website and in the multiple ads that you have placed on puppy selling sites. I wonder why you don't list your own name?

Lea(h) Winkler (rocket scientist no brainer) aka Frances Michaels, Robert Smith, Toby Kenobi, Hank Wilkenson, jackbequick, AARON BEAGLEY, and myriad other aliases,

Since you constantly go on about how you are such a great breeder - I thought people would like a little insight into your breeding program:

One of your ###, Desert Sun's Flower Of White Dove, is from White Dove, a major high volume breeder who does very few clearances. Your ###'s sire and dam have no verifiable clearances. Her grandmother and grandfather on her mother's side have no verifiable hip certifications and the grandmother has no verifiable eye clearances. Daisy herself is not yet 2 years old and you bred her on prelims, not final certifications. Her cardiac clearance was done by a practitioner, not a cardiologist. Cardiologists are specially trained to detect problems, practictioners are not.

You tout your multi-champion stud dog, Sweet Anja Charli, yet you didn't put a single title on him. You bought him with all those titles and have yet to step into a ring with him. His heart clearance was also done by a practitioner as was his half-sisters, Blue Butterfly of Golden Duck.

Your claims that you have been competing with your Goldens for years are lies. You haven't put a single title on any dogs. Most of your dogs' records on K9data have been locked by the admins because you continually change/remove data that might make you look like you might be less than reputable. You changed the name of one of your dogs with the AKC to remove reference to the breeder of your dog Frosty Paw's Moosey Moo who was formerly Frosty Paw Moose Tracks Clark Meadow. You are a fraud and the more people who know about you, the better.

PS, I like how you added Kathleen Durso (who owns Daisy's grandfather - Goldenone Star Night) and South Wind Goldens, who has posted complaints about you stealing content from her website to your rants now.

- Exactly the same complaint from 2 months ago with a different name.

As far as your complaint about the lines they come from having "eye problems", most eye problems in Goldens are simple Dominant or Recessive genes. Testing through the Canine Eye Registration Foundation (CERF) will tell if a dog is affected or not. Most of Perfect Peace's breeding dogs have their CERF certifications meaning that they were clear of "eye problems" at the time of the examination. "Eye Problems" is only a bad thing if a breeder continues to breed a dog after it is actually diagnosed with an eye disorder.

That's a fallacy. Mixed breeds have the same genetic problems as purebreds but these problems are not tracked like they are with the purebred dogs.

LOL - yet another alias...

Daisy JUST turned 2 on March 30th, 2011 and her pups were born on March 5th, 2011. She was 21-22 months old when she was bred to Charlie. She still doesn't have her final OFA hips/elbows done.

*snort* and now evidently, it looks like you are offering to ship Charli to someone for stud use: http://www.hobbybreeders.com/Stud-Dogs/GoldenRetriever667.aspx

Once again I state: "You tout your multi-champion stud dog, Sweet Anja Charli, yet you didn't put a single title on him. You bought him with all those titles and have yet to step into a ring with him. His heart clearance was also done by a practitioner as was his half-sisters, Blue Butterfly of Golden Duck.

Your claims that you have been competing with your Goldens for years are lies. You haven't put a single title on any dogs. Most of your dogs' records on K9data have been locked by the admins because you continually change/remove data that might make you look like you might be less than reputable. You changed the name of one of your dogs with the AKC to remove reference to the breeder of your dog Frosty Paw's Moosey Moo who was formerly Frosty Paw Moose Tracks Clark Meadow. You are a fraud and the more people who know about you, the better."

Lea(h) Winkler, (rocket scientist no brainer) aka Frances Michaels, Robert Smith, Toby Kenobi, Hank Wilkenson, jackbequick, Aaron Beagley AND now...testosterone...

Your claims that Charli was bought as a puppy and put with a handler are LIES. Charli was shown in his home country by his OWNER which was NOT YOU! From Golden Duck's own website: " NEW Jun.Ch, JWCH Sweet Anja Charlie(13 Months), Owner: Mr.R.Aleksic"Sweet Anja" Congratulate to Charlie & Radovan!" Results from Kennel Club Vrsac show in 2010: "Golden Retriever - Sweet Anja Charli, o. Radovan Aleksic, odg."Sweet Anja"". Even some of the pictures you have are of him being shown in a foreign country. Unless you paid for someone to show your dog in Serbia, you are lying again, Lea(h). Charli was shown in his home country until at least LAST YEAR (2010). But you expect people to believe that you bought him as a puppy but left someone elses name on him (Mr.R.Aleksic) and had someone else show him in Serbia until last year and then brought him to America? LOL

BTW, I see that Charli's record on K9data has been locked as well. I wonder why you kept deleting his health information from there?

Anyone looking for a Golden Retriever, English Golden Retriever, etc:
Please use only breeders who follow the Golden Retriever Club of America's (GRCA) Code of Ethics and Breeding Guidelines. This will help to get you the healthiest puppy possible.

From the GRCA.org website. Please note that 24 months is specifically addressed as the age for final clearances for both dogs in the US and for dogs that were imported from OUTSIDE the US. It also specifies when/how often eye exams should be done and what kind of vet should be doing heart clearances:

a. Hips – for U.S. dogs, a report from Orthopedic Foundation for Animals; or PennHIP at 24 months of age or older. For dogs outside the U.S., report from a health registry approved by the Golden Retriever club of that country (e.g. Canada - Ontario Veterinary College; Great Britain - BVA/KC Hip Score) A report from the accepted health registry of another country may be used for U.S. dogs that are 24 months of age or older when x-rayed.

b.Eyes – appropriate report from a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Ophthalmology (ACVO) or from a BVA/KC approved ophthalmologist (Great Britain), or a report from the Canine Eye Registry Foundation. For dogs outside the U.S., a report from an ophthalmologist as recommended by the Golden Retriever club of that country after 1 year of age. Examinations must be done within 12 months of a breeding.

c. Hearts – appropriate report from a Diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Medicine, Cardiology Specialty or a certification by the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals by a cardiologist (the number will be followed by a C) at 12 months of age or older.

d. Elbows – for U.S. dogs, a report from Orthopedic Foundation for Animals at 24 months of age or older. For dogs outside the U.S., report from a health registry approved by the Golden Retriever club of that country at 24 months of age or older. A report from the accepted health registry of another country may be used for U.S. dogs that are 24 months of age or older when x-rayed.

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