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In december, 2008, during the neverending annual christmas shopping at southridge mall, my fiance, jody, and I came accross a "sweepstakes" to win a mercedes automobile. We happily entered while "ooing and ahhing" over the vehicle. We left the mall and thought nothing further of putting our names and phone numbers into this sweepstakes. This would mark the beginning of an unforgettably painful experience the both of us would endure.

At the beginning of january, 2009, a month after entering in this sweepstakes, I received a call on my cell phone from a woman by the name of brenda. Brenda seemed very friendly on my voice mail, stating that I won a cruise to the bahamas from entering in a sweepstakes at southridge mall. Being the naive 21 year old that I am, I was ecstatic about my luck and happily commited to taking whatever steps necessary to claim my "prize." I emphatically called the number left on my voice mail and asked to speak with brenda. Brenda was gone for the day (it was five minutes after this supposed brenda had contacted me) but lisa would be happy to help me. Lisa asked for my phone number and sure enough verified that I was the lucky recipient of a 3 night cruise to the bahamas. I simply had to sit through a one hour seminar in brookfield, wi at a sundance vacation office. It started at 7pm on a friday night. Lisa assured me that this would be "quick" and I would be on my way home with my voucher for the free cruise "within an hour." I thought "how easy is this? I am the luckiest guy ever!" I agreed to attend the seminar and was instructed to bring my significant other.

Friday rolled around and my fiance and I headed to the sundance vacations office ten minutes prior to our seminar. We filled out the necessary information sheets, had a seat with the 30 other people in the waiting area, and awaited the seminar. A very healthy looking man named rick called us into the "presentation room" for our seminar. My first impression of rick was that he was a very personable, honest and charismatic person... A likeable guy. He ratteled off one of the most enjoyable pieces of speech I had seen in a long time in person. I remember thinking "I like this guy, I want to work with him and sundance." little did I know, everyone in that seminar was being buttered up to be fed to the sharks in the adjacent room. When the seminar concluded, after a good 45 minutes, we were instructed to follow the person who called our name. I remember thinking "rick is going to have his hands full calling each of us up individually" but before I could finish that thought, the door we used to enter the presentation room flew open followed by an army of sundance soldiers each armed with a file for each couple in the room. This is where I thought "uh oh, my rick loving days are over."

Rita, an italian immigrant with a marvelous accent, was assigned to jody and i, who both still had a belly of false optimism and excitement for our cruise. Rita sat us down at a table in a cafeteria style room with blairing music. I thought nothing of the music, I just recognized that it was really loud, and I wondered how I would here the instructions for our free cruise.

Once jody and I sat down with rita, rita began pitching an offer of 30 vacations for $12, 000. We let her ramble for a while, then like an idiot, I engaged. I told rita, "we really only take one or two vacations per year so we would have no use for a package like this, do you have anything smaller?" she said "you know what? I think we might, let me bring my director over." a man, who I swear was the twin brother of steven a smith from espns 'quite frankly, ' shook my hand and sat at our table. He confirmed his understanding that we would not use 30 vacations in one year and said he was prepared to give us a great deal of 10 vacations for $4500. We simply needed to pay a $900 down payment and $339 for taxes and surcharges by march 15th. My fiance was very quick to accept the offer, I requested that both sales people leave our table so that my fiance and I could talk. Jody really believed this was a great deal (we are both impulsive buyers) and she had me convinced, when the sales people came back, we said we were in! Steven a smith requested a check for $900 from us, I made him aware that I was uncomfortable handing over this amount of money right after the holidays, I then proceeded to say "you know what, I really dont think this is a good idea right now, just not a good time." he and rita looked at me like I was insane! Steven a smith told me that he would be able to hang on to the $900 check for a few weeks, if I needed that time. After much hesitance, jody mentioned that this would be a good idea and we shouldnt pass it up. Because of my resistance to the whole thing, the salesman noticed that jody and I had listed that hawaii was our dream vacation destination. He offered to throw in one "extra trip" to hawaii for free with buy one get one free airfair if we would sign up, this would give us 11 vacations for that price. Jody gave me the look that we should accept. I did.

Rita and the director proceeded to have the contract written and the application for credit filled out. Once the application for credit (which would be for the $4500) was filled out, the director came over and filled out his section. I noticed him writing a 12.9% apr. When I questioned it, he simply said "you dont have to worry about that, your payments will only be $80 and most people double pay each month, it will be paid down in no time." I began feeling pressured at this point and in turn became pompous. They left for a moment and came back with a binding contract this time, I felt even more backed into a corner than before. I told rita that I was going to read through the entire contract. Jody had already written the check for $900 and had given the information to have the $80 automatically deducted from her checking account. I came to a point in the contract that stated "there is no right of recission and no right to cancel at any time." once I read this, I told rita, "rita, i'm sorry but the answer is no!" she was angry and made clear that they did a lot of work to get this done for us and that this is important as young people as we would have these vacations for life. I said that I understood and it seems like a good deal, however, I was not comfortable committing to putting ourselves $4500 in obligated debt without having time to think about it, I asked for a week to go home, then make her aware of my decision. She said that no one gets invited to these seminars and opportunities and I would never see a deal like this again. I said so be it. She ripped up our application, got jody's check back to her and then walked us to a small waiting area.

A man by the name of bill, a fat ugly car salesman type with a yellow beard and the ugliest face I have ever seen, stepped out of the hall and introduced himself. Outside of his office, he was very nice. That was about to change. Bill offered us a seat in his 6 by 6 box of an office. He said, "i'm the guy who gives you your free cruise." I thought the hard part was over, so I joked "that makes you our new best friend." he laughed. He explained how to make the reservation for our cruise and register online or by mail. After concluding the walkthrough, bill said, "now I dont know what happened in there, but (writing) I want to offer you this number that can only be offered by me." the number was $779 which would take the place of the $900 down payment. I said, "no thanks." he countered by saying, "actually, I was going to cut that in half, $400 today? How does that sound?" I said that I did not want to, that "no" is final. He asked "why?" I explained that it is not the right time, but I really liked sundance and wanted to work with them in the future at some point. He said "well you wont get this in the future, can I ask why its not the right time? Do you realize how much a trip to hawaii is? It doesnt make any sense to pass this up." I said that I did not want to do this, there is no right to cancel and I do not want to make a decision like this right at the spur of the moment. He said, "well you are already making your decision by saying no, you wont get this again. Wow, ive never encountered a person who wants to spend more for less down the road, theres no logic to it." I then, a little frustrated with this fat pile of trash, said "with do respect, what is ilogical is to pin any couple or individual down in an effort to get them to make a decision that would increase their debt without allowing them time to evaluate their situation. That is a bit ilogical if you ask me. The ansewr is no and thats it." he then conceded defeat, offered us our voucher and sarcastically said "enjoy your free trip then..."

We will see how the trip goes, if there is one, but I would not recommend that you go into something like this unprepared. I am glad I did only because I really learned from this and developed a backbone. If you are passive and can be easily persuaded, this is not for you. These people do not care about how this obligation to them will effect your day to day lifestyle, so you really have to be outspoken and take control immediately. I let it get way too far! Luckily we are not out any money and we have the voucher that we came in for!

I hope this article helps those of you looking into this, e-mail me with questions at [protected]@wi. Rr.com.

Nick

Update by NickJames716
Jan 12, 2009 12:39 pm EST

Amanda,

I was not asking for a position with your disgraceful company. As a fellow
employee in the service industry, I would highly urge you to reevaluate putting
people like Bill in the position he is in. He shares the same predatory type
sales techniques that put our country in the position it is in. I was disgusted
with the tactics used and the unwillingness of your sales representatives to
allow time for people to evaluate their financial situation prior to signing a
binding "no cancel" contract.

Your e-mail, though professional, appears to ignore totally the core of my
description of what happened. Your company backs people into corners and forces
itself upon them...we call that "rape, " where I'm from. Your tactic for playing
blairing music is known to be intended to wipe out the possibility of your
"victims" overhearing the surrounding conversations, don't play ignorant.

Your comment about Bill being "...a father, son" blah blah blah, Bill forces
your services on "fathers and sons" who cannot afford them. And should they say
"no" Bill talks to them as if they are completely idiotic.

It is apparent why you have 75, 000 clients (which for a national company really
isnt that much). You force passive people into making decisions on debt
obligation without providing them an opportunity to think about how it will
effect them. You are ruining the service industry and should get out
completely. I have friends in publications and local media and do not wish to
be contacted by you again.

Nick

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smj
Wilkes-Barre, US
Mar 29, 2009 2:16 pm EDT

Hello,
I found these posts very informative. My mother fell prey to the scam. Hers was reduced quite substantially, but as soon as she got home and did her due diligence by researching sundance, she is having buyers remorse. She is semi retired and is, now thinking it through (after the high pressure sales tactics) realizes she is not capable of committing to this. she alerted her credit card and they made the notation. Sundance is not there on Sundays, but she left a message. Also, the credit card company advised her that if Sundance gave her any problem, they are to call them directly. I will be happy to let you know how this sorts itself out. Every contract can be voided.

If anyone has had a similiar situation, I would be curious to hear.

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wilkes barre Pa

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Mika
East Brunswick, US
Mar 04, 2009 3:58 pm EST

Hi Nick,

I just went to one of their "presentations" last night with my bf. We were offered the same deal of purchasing 30 vacations for 12, 000 (later changed to 12 vacations for 4, 000 with buy one get one free airfare deal by the sales manager). I almost got convinced, but when my bf raised the question of a detail procedure to exit membership, the sales manager dodged the question by stating how hard they work to retain the membership, and quote-to-quote, "we will work things out, " so my bf was skeptical about the deal. In addition, the sales manager constantly pushed us to pay the lump sum of 15, 000 immediately saying that this is the "right thing to do."

My bf also noticed that when the sales rep and sales manager tried to sell us the deal, they both wrote down the numbers all over the place on a piece of paper (and for some reason, that piece of paper had to be kept in that folder we got), and it was another pressure tactics to get us confused to think about discounts only.

After saying "no" a numerous times, we finally were escorted to the exit to meet with one more person (let's call him Manager #2 as I already forget his name) who would "validate" the voucher for us. As we walking into Manager #2's room, I saw there was a pile of brochures on the table so I just took one to flip through the pages. Manager #2 started by asking how our experience with them was that night, and asked if we would reconsider the deal if he would waive this 30 dollar fee (I'm not sure whether it's for membership, tax, service charge or something else) PERMANENTLY for us. Once again, my bf declined the offer (he had become annoyed by their persistence at the time), and Manager #2 finally opened his door to let us leave. While walking towards the exit (my freedom!), I asked Manager #2 if I could keep the brochure to learn more about the deal and the whole company, but Manager #2 said, "No. This is for people for signed up with us only. It costs 30 dollars to print it."

Isn't it kind of abnormal? A company so willing to give out free cruise deals just to promote their business suddenly became so stingy about a 30 dollar brochure? Plus, isn't it natrual to give potential customers more information about your business if you wish them to come back in the future?

Anyway, I found this article written by Spencer Sterling (on 11/15/2007) about his free trip with Sundance Vacations: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/445761/how_my_free_trip_with_sundance_vacations.html?cat=16
I hope this will shed some light to those who also got the free deal but were skeptical about the whole thing.

Please do let us know how your trip turn out, Nick. My bf and I still haven't decided whether we should take the free trip, but if we do, we will also keep you posted.

- Mika

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JohnM
Perkasie, US
Mar 02, 2009 10:00 am EST

A few minutes ago, I got off the telephone with someone from Sundance Vacations wanting me and my significant other to make an appointment to go to a 45 minute presentation to redeem my "free" 3 day cruise and "free" airline tickets. I started searching and found this thread. It goes against everything I was told on the phone: "No high pressure sales" and "if you do not want to purchase anything, you just say no and still get to go on a free vacation."

My father was always deliberate with saying "you get nothing for nothing" and I actually feel stupid for listening to the telephone pitch. I did not make an appointment but I am certain that I will get more phone calls. In this economy, they appear to really be pushing the limits with these sales tactics.

I, too, would love to hear from anyone who actually went on the "free" vacation.

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mags
Downers Grove, US
Feb 20, 2009 10:23 pm EST

Dear Nick,

We had the same experience. We went to the office in Chicago. It was really creepy. We caught them lying to us so many times. They kept saying "I actually started out as a client before I became an employee" or "I asked the very same question when I was a potential customer". My husband asked the sales rep how many vacations he's been on (since he's also a member of Sundance). He said he's been on 6 in one year. My husband asked him how he could possibly get that much time off work. He was perplexed.

The manager at the end was really strange. It seemed like everyone there was stuck in the 70s. It was like they were part of some scary cult. The manager at the end told us he had a special offer for us for 1, 695. He said it was a special promotion that the company was testing out and that he could only offer it to a few people. I was very non-confrontational and kept saying "maybe in a couple years..." My husband however kept questioning them and asking why we couldn't try one single vacation before paying for 25 at once! We also felt "raped" at the end and the manager begrudgingly gave us the voucher. Now we don't know what to do. Should we go on the cruise. It's weird to take a freeby from someone you don't trust. I'm afraid I'll end up ship-wrecked. This is what my husband says "What transpired there is reminiscent of a late night tv commercial . It was like a well directed interactive theater in las vegas with the purpose of scamming you and putting you into debt...and the rape thing." On the cruise the deals will probably get even more creative.

Anyway, has anyone heard of anyone actually going on the cruise?

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Katie
Brookfield, US
Jan 31, 2009 10:39 am EST

Nick,
Thanks so much for your post. I was about to go to one of these sessions at the Sundance Brookfield office, but have now decided to not. My fiance lives on the east coast and when I told her that he wouldn't be able to come to the session, she said that I should just bring another person who has his first name and "she wouldn't tell anyone." They wouldn't let me just go alone. Did they make you sign anything to redeem the cruise? I'm leery of putting my name on anything.

I have a very strong will and wouldn't sign up for anything, but I would still be leery of what would happen on the actual cruise. I hope it works out for you, but know that I truly appreciate your comments here! Post again after the cruise so we know how it went!

Katie

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Sundance Vacations
, US
Jan 12, 2009 10:30 am EST

Nick,
I’m Amanda the corporate communicator for Sundance Vacations. I read your post. I totally agree with your assessment of Rick. He is a personable, honest and charismatic guy. He really loves the company and our product and his enthusiasm shows in his presentation. You mention, “I want to work for him and Sundance.” You would not be the first client to come to work for us. If you are serious about a career with Sundance someday you can send a resume to pr@vacmail.com.

I will forward your comment about the music being too loud. I guess we fell victim to the same scientific studies that cause Hollister and other retailers to play upbeat music. Your point is well taken and we’ll make sure the music is upbeat but not too loud for customers in the future.

As a company it makes sense to offer a discount or a special in order to earn your business now rather than later. It wasn’t clear in your post if you understood that you can purchase a package from Sundance Vacations at any time. The only change is the special pricing. We have over 75, 000 clients and it wouldn’t be truthful to all of those people who purchased during their visit if we let you or other people have the special pricing later. I hope you can understand that logic. Sundance Vacations offers a great value even at the regular price.

If you need anything further or have questions about making arrangements for your cruise, do not hesitate to call our customer service office at [protected].

Happy Travels,

Amanda
Sundance Vacations

P.S. My only criticism of your post is your personal description of the physical features of Bill. Remember, that Bill is someone’s son, dad, husband.

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