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I tried Herbalife product for 10 days, experiencing excruciating, chronic lower stomach pain. Could not...
I was told by a coach that there was a program called learn to earn! I went to the shop everyday to train for...
This has to be the biggest scam in the USA today, other than Obamo of course.
I ordered the information package for $9.95 and was told to return it within 15 days to get my money back and I would not be billed the $39.95, but in fact after returning the information package I was still billed $39.95! This happens to thousands of customers, no wonder they are making billions?comlained about HerbalLife, who hide behind the name www.incomeathome.com If they were such an up company, why not use their own name. There probably thousands of garages in the USA full of unsold product from HerbalLife, but what do they care, its the poor sucker that bought it that should worry.
The stark truth is that it is just a multi-level operation, and more like a legal ponzi scheme. The fact that millions of emails go out to poor people trying to struggle through life in every town in the USA, and is not curious that the same woman pops up as having eaned $8, 000 more that month. If the FTC commission requested the names and addresses of these high earner, I am sure that IRS would be interested. and considering the thousands of small towns that exist in the USA, why would they need more people to sell their product. A lot of people have
I had a personal coach named Leonard Baldwin, of theonlinebusinesssystem.com whom I told weeks ago in early September that I was not interested in proceeding with Herbalife distribution work from home system proposed to me as I was quite unhappy with the fact that I sent them $10.00 for them to send me a video, and I it contained were people saying how rich they are, and no indication of how they did it. He played an audio over the phone of herbalife and suggested another charge for setting up work from home. I told him then, quite clearly, that I was not interested in proceeding and he said he would call me in a month or so to see if things changed. Now there is a charge on my account in early October for $39.95 from Leonard Baldwin of theonlinebusinesssystems.com, which overdrew my account for a $35.00 charge. Please help me get my $75.00 refunded to my account and also tell me how to report this fraud to a government agency. Thank you
HerbaLife: Scam or Not?
Have you heard of HerbaLife, or do you even sell its products? If not, then let me tell you about the Herbalife scam.
If you walk around any major city, you’ll probably see flyers posted on light and electrical poles saying things like “Work From Home”, or “Lose 30 lbs Now, Ask Me How!” The ads may all be different, but what they all share in common is the same phone number. When you call that phone number, you obtain a company by the name of HerbaLife.
Back when I was unemployed, I toyed with the idea of joining HerbaLife. Little did I know the company history or the other questionable business practices of this firm. However, after doing some online research, here is what I found out:
HerbaLife was founded in 1980 by Mark Hughes, a guy who, at the young age of 44, was found dead due to a likely drug overdose. Still, HerbaLife continued on, and is now almost 30 years in business. As of this posting, the HerbaLife company states that it has over 1.8 million distributors in about 66 countries. The company is even on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE: HLF). Annual gross sales for HerbaLife are roughly $3.5 billion, though they may have taken a hit due to the recent recession.
HerbaLife sells all kinds of vitamins and other nutritional supplements. There are shakes, protein bars, weight loss products, herbs, even meals replacements.
Do you like what you hear so far? Would you like to buy some HerbaLife vitamins? Well, you can’t. First, you need to become a distributor.
HerbaLife makes the big bucks not by selling nutritional supplements, but by recruiting folks to become distributors.These distributors buy up a certain lot amount of the company’s products, sample them, and try to sell them. More importantly, though, the newly-minted distributors are “encouraged” to recruit their friends and family (and anyone else they know) to become distributors too. And when I say “encouraged”, I mean that the company will pretty much twist your arm in order to have you find new recruits. Weekly meetings, HerbaLife newsletters, company-wide e-mails, etc., will all repeat the company core motto until it comes out of your ears: recruit, recruit, recruit!
Of course, there is an incentive to finding new distributors: a portion of their earnings on products gets kicked up to you. And likewise, part of your earnings get kicked up to whoever recruited you. And so it goes, until the very few people at the top of this pyramid scheme rake in the big bucks while you drive around in your car with big boxes of muscle-building protein powder. It’s multi-level marketing (MLM), plain and simple.
What are the costs for this pyramid scheme? It takes around $220 to enroll in the HerbaLife scam, er, I mean program. This money pays for your enrollment, your first pack of product, and also some samples for you (since distributors are highly encouraged to use the company’s products as well as to sell them).
If HerbaLife would just stop here and allow you to just purchase and sell its products, I doubt you could call it a scam. However, the scamming really starts when you listen to what the company is trying to have you believe:
In its flyers, HerbaLife claims that you can make as much as $1500 per week for part-time work. If you work full-time, you can make $5500 per week. However, the statistics say otherwise. In actuality, about 1% of HerbaLife distributors make 85% of the company’s gross sales. These distributors are in the upper echelons of the company, and were around back when the company was still starting up in the early 80′s. The remaining 99% of HerbaLife distributors, who joined the company after the mid-1980′s, make the remaining 15% of the company’s gross sales.
What does that mean math-wise? Let’s crunch the numbers: 99% of all reported HerbaLife distributors comes out to 1, 782, 000 distributors (99% of 1.8 million). Meanwhile, 15% of $3.5 billion comes out to $525 million. Divide $525 million by the 1, 782, 000 distributors and you obtain $294 in annual sales per distributor!! And keep in mind that is not profit, but sales, so the actual take-home pay is even less.
Of course, not all distributors are alike. Some may have enormous selling potential, and lots of eager friends and family to whom they can sell HerbaLife products. But that’s still a big chance to take when your initial investment in the company is almost the same amount of money that you are likely to make over the course of an entire year!
Another problem with HerbaLife is market over-saturation. It’s not as if nutritional supplements, vitamins or protein shakes are in short supply; just look through your local grocery store, sports nutrition store or pharmacy. And those nutritional supplements, vitamins and protein shakes are also priced far below what HerbaLife charges for its comparable items. Granted, when HerbaLife first introduced its products, the market was way smaller, giving HerbaLife a major advantage over its nonexistent competition. But nowadays, when such products run the length of two or more store shelves and are often priced at discount, what’s the point of paying top dollar for HerbaLife? It is little wonder why so many HerbaLife distributors have resorted to selling their remaining inventory on places like eBay and Craigslist.
So, in conclusion, should you invest in the HerbaLife scam? Only if you have extreme sales savvy, as well as lots of spare time on your hands. As for me, I think I’ll pass. I can think of many other businesses that pay a lot more money for a lot less work.
I resigned as an herbalife supervisor after investing well over $6, 000 in my home based internet business. I...
I was sold a sort of franchise. The seller knew all to well that I would spend far more that on petrol, to go and see customers. They call training (Training) but infact they trying to sell dealerships to non dealers.
In my opinion they comitting total fraud.
Suzanne Jennings regularly sends me home based business opprotunities to my E-mail address the latest was Online Business Systems. I sent $9.95 for the no cost training package, ($9.95 was supposedly for shipping and handling) then a woman named Denice called and asked a few questions and set a phone appointment time to talk to Anita Osburn, and she asked if I ever had an online business. Fed Ex delivers as I'm talking to Anita, (it was supposed to get here before her call)The night before I had been to the website and did the so called training and filled out a list of goals.This was exactly what the "training package" had, word for word and the dvd was exactly what I saw and heard at the website. So that was a lie, then in this phone appointment the exact same thing again except she put her own twist to it. Then she comes to me listening to an Anthony, and I find out it is selling Herbal Life and it would cost me $199.00 and that would include products that I didn't need or want. So, I declined and I was told if I sent back the "training package" with the cover letter from Anita without any marks or anything else and I wrote her name on the outside of the envelope it was sent in I wouldn't be charged the additional $39.95, I sent it back in 2 days but was still charged the $39.95. I've called her [protected] and no response except I got an Email saying here are the return instructions I requested. I got those the day I declined and I got them from her. They expect you to write in the booklet before you go to the website or get the call from Anita Osburn then you get charged the $39.95 because it cant be marked at all when you return it. "zigshomebiz.com" is somehow affilliated also with her, and or them SCAM< SCAM< SCAM!!!
For every body before use herbalife product, to read
Dangerous special for kids and senior so bad
Every single product has extra plomo.
RENAE M. AMANNAMISNIAK, HERBALIFE DISTRIBUTOR, SCAMS RETIRED DISABLED VETERAN FOR $50 After answering an...
My complaint is this they took my money right away, but get my refund I have to wait 6 weeks. I sould not have to wait. I've called them twice and got the same response. no good faith with this company.
I need to make people aware of the biggest problem that I have noticed about Herbalife. As with all the other complaints, I too, got the information packet, all the phone calls, and spoke with my mentor Cathy Rogers. Found out shortly after speaking with her (from another mentor) that she was experiencing some family issues, thus inreturn I was given a different mentor. Since that time, my phone number and mailing address has been sold to what seems like every rippoff, scam organization in north america. It is quite common on the average day to recieve 10-12 calls from some kind of bogus buisness.
Another thing I noticed when I started to ask questions from alot of people who where with Herbalife buisness was they could not tell me how much they were making per month. If herbalife is such a great buisness, then why is it the people who package, ship, and work in the warehouses, are not in buisness for themselves instead of working in the warehouses?
One day, I saw an ad on the internet; it says I can make some extra money every month, and I only have to pay 9.95 to start the thing. I typed my credit card #, and a few days after, I received a DVD, and a piece of paper with whole bunch nonsense testimonials. Watching DVD, I realized it was all about selling Herbalife products. At first, the ad didn't mention I have to have at least 1000 dollars to start the business, and it's all about selling dietary supplements. If it was mentioned, I wouldn't spend my 10 bucks to order those garbage. In addition, somebody who told me I am your mentor said if I am not interested, I have to return the DVD in 14 days; otherwise, I will be charged additional 39.95. WTF? They didn't reveal what they are at first. That's why I spent my money for that garbage. Isn't this a scam? First, they tempted people with some extra money every month, and later, they ask you to put your everything in it. WOW..I am pretty surprised noone has sued these parasites.
For those of you who are trying to get involved with herbalife, then I suggest you to read this.. You will be losing more money by investing hundreds of dollars buying their products and programs they offer you. I have been scammed by these people. First you pay 9.95 for the home based-work and from then on you have to purchases even more things like the programs and products. Not only that they charged you a monthly fee of 29.95 for just having a merchant account. Yeap thats how they make money by taking other people's hard work money.. 100% scammed
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I found this website http://www.moneypub.net/ online and requested information as well. I recieved a call from Michael Gillingham informing he would email me the information to save me the $9.95. So I read the material and watched the DVD. Michael was supposed to call me today 5/26/2010 at 2:00 pm. I googled some information and came across some scam websites http://www.johnperkins.com/Documents/Workathome2.htm stating this was a scam. So I politely emailed Michael and requested to cancel my call as I was not interested at this time.
Michael rudely responded the following:
--- On Wed, 5/26/10, Michael Gillingham <[protected]@leadingincome.com> wrote:
From: Michael Gillingham <[protected]@leadingincome.com>
Subject: RE: Information Package You Requested
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 1:05 PM
Your Info is WRONG!!! Anybody can post anything they want, Steve and Debbie and I, Stacie, Ryan work for a company that is in business for 3O YEARS!!! And if you want to be broke all your life-miss out on your kids growing up-that’s fine. DO IT! One thing I will not tolerate is someone saying we are a SCAM. This stuff is all over the internet from people who know nothing about our Business- if we were a SCAM do you think the NYSE would let us on-NO. Herbalife International is the NO.1 Nutrition company in the world!!! And has helped Millions of people around the world.
I feel sad for you, that you let some person who knows nothing about us.. lead you astray.
Have a great Life, if thing change for you let me know
Did you know I read the “Pope is the anti-Christ” also.. Check it out, its on the internet!
I think this email was completely out of line. I was not accusing anyone of anything, just simply stating I was not interested. I will have no problem posting this information and letting all I know hear of this situation. Is this the kind of people you want advertising your company? I feel I was treated very dis-respectful.
In 2007, after I lost my job, I saw an ad online to open my own business. Well, I sent my$9.95 & got a dvd, 2 days later I got a call from my mentor. I tod him I was interested in starting my own business. Do you know he had my debit card number on file but he wasn't able to charge the $2, 300.00 until I called my bank to raise the debit limit. I got all these boxes, I had to buy my own flyers, make business cards & this was in july and I live in florida. I had to go to parking losts & give out flyers, put them on car windshields & all those conference calls two days a week. I uses to hear speakers who made a ton of money by bringing in people to "the business" who could've knocked my over with a feather. I felt so stupid. I still have alot of the products in my home that I can't sell. I got now help whatsoever & it left a bad taste in my mouth. Don't put any faith in having your own business with herbalife.
I place 2 orderes with this company, i received the 1st order, little late, but that was, ok. Never received 2nd order for a total of 47.42.
Called to inqire about the order, and Steve ( this appears to be a 1 person operation) told me he would check into it and call me back the next day. Well, this has been 2 weeks, no call back, no reply to phone messages left or e-mails and of course, no refund or product
In Feb. 2006 I joined Herbalife to try and open a small business, They told me they would help me and lead me...
I was charged $39.95 30 days later after I told them I wasn't interested in the Scam. I even called Nanci Ayres @ [protected]. What a joke that was. I told her I was charged the $39.95 and she said yes because I didn't return the package that I paid for and a DVD, now they want it back. haha what a rip off company this is.
They wanted us to invest over $250.00 and then they would send us list to buy merchandise, etc. etc.
We payed $9.95 from a TV ad. We called after receiving the package talked said no not interested. and that was the end until March 14th then they charged my back account $39.95 with out telling us.
Now they tell me I should have mailed it back within 14 days. No where in the package does it say that or was told that.
First off, I would like to say my heart goes out to all those who have invested huge sums of money in...
I sent $9.95 for information that was supposed to be here in 2 days. I knew that was impossible to come from the U.S. in that time but got about 10 days later. The package has a DVD & a 'workbook'. You are instructed to call your mentor for more instructions after you watch part of the Dvd. You can only watch part of it cause you have to get a 'code' from your mentor to go farther. After that point you have 14 days to decide if you want to continue with the business. If you don't let them know when the 14 days is up they bill you $40 for the dvd.
I have repeatedly contacted this person but she won't return my calls or emails. Of course she billed my credit card for the $40. I don't have an address to send the DVD back to& she won't give me one. I guess thats how they make money ripping people off with overpriced material.
I made the mistake of giving my credit card number to these people and now they have charged me over $500 of my hard earned money and I have yet to receive a refund. I have returned all of their stuff to them and have filled out their refund slips but haven't received any kind of refund as of yet. It has been over 2 months since I realized that this was a scam and requested a refund. Do not give out any financial information to these people, they are crooks and they will rip you off big time if you let them. I filed a dispute with my credit card company but after a month went by they put the charge back onto my credit card, and then Herbalife had the nerve to charge my account again without my permission. My credit card company called me to let me know this so I immediately canceled my credit card so that it couldn't happen again. The nerve of those people to charge my credit card when I never gave them permission to do so just really irritates me to no end. What tipped me off was when I started reading the reports from other people that had written about them on this site and realized that I had ripped off. When I read that people were having health issues because of the Herbalife supplements that some people's livers were failing them, I became really scared and decided not to even try any of the products at all. That's when I contacted my so called sponsor and he started his [censored] response that I need to not listen to what other people were saying about Herbalife. But then I got to thinking all of these people can't be wrong? When I challenged my sponsor about he called his sponsor immediately and they both got on the phone and did a 3 way call to try and talk me out of it not getting involved with them. But I didn't listen and I'm glad that I didn't because they were really trying to brainwash me and I would have no part of it.