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Newest development in Europe from the sitewww internetoplichting.com, posted by a member, this day March 11th :
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Titel: Re: Phoneworldonline
Bericht door: JanBE op Maart 11 2009, 09:38:46
De economische inspectie heeft op 4/3/2009 een proces verbaal opgesteld voor overtredingen van:

- de wet van 14 juli 1991 betreffende de handelspraktijken en de voorlichting en bescherming van de consument.
- de wet van 16 januari 2003 tot oprichting van een Kruispuntbank van Ondernemingen, tot modernisering van het handelsregister, tot oprichting van erkende ondernemingsloketten en houdende diverse bepalingen.
- de wet van 11 maart 2003 betreffende bepaalde juridische as-pecten van de diensten van de informatiemaatschappij.

Dit proces-verbaal werd voor nuttig gevolg doorgestuurd aan de Procureur des Konings bij de Rechtbank van Eerste Aanleg van en te 2000 Antwerpen, Bolivarplaats 20, tel. 03/257.80.11.
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For those victims of phoneworldonline.com now phone4real.com please contact public prosecutor in Antwerp, phone +[protected], office hours !

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Bericht door: oromono op Maart 10 2009, 17:37:09
Kindjes, dit hebben jullie allemaal aan jullie zelf te danken remeber? Ik heb door al die roddels het niet makkelijk gehad en nu zijn ze het aan het verkloten op Engelstalige sites.

Sorry vergeet het.

Wacht nog maar een jaartje
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Message posted by Patrick on a dutch complaint board (link -->http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.180) where he says "the people he scammed, it was all their own fault, and now they are posting on english sites and f******g it up for me. Sorry forget it (paying these people bac he means by that). You'll just have to wait for another year"

What an attitude for such a lowlife ! Scamming people it was it was all about from the beginning, even with people in California involved !

i put a hold on money that was offered by the same guy that took more then USD26000 from me, i release the money when i can get my money back. it is a very simple procedure.

You want more proof, you can see inside my ### if you want rat

why you telling this ###, give me the proof i gave it to you.

good to see you are paying back some of people scammed. please see phone4real on this website to see where he stole even more money!

i can give you proof, can you give it to me?

And the 10k from mainstream? yes i took the money from that same guy that stole 26500USD from me, sorry i'm not supid, i give it back when i got my money back.

and stop with talking ### without any proof!

www.paypal.com login: patrick@oromono.be password patrick35

go for it, and look this is real..

THERE IS ALSO A COMPLAINT FOR PHONE4REAL ON THIS WEBSITE

please proof that this is not a scam document! ANYBODY CAN MAKE FAKE DOCUMENTS!

yes correct there is information on the internet, and who says that this is truth?

we are working on a proof of refunds page on the website, then this nonsense can stop.

This is only internet ###.

http://www.phone4real.com/phoneworldonline/refunds.html

on this page you can find the proof of refunds.

Stop this!

http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.165

The ever omni present Patrick, check the above link !

he is a broken phone

Rajiv is a broker that has nothing in his life. He has no iphones and no money. He borrowed money from people and was dishonest never paying them back.

The only thing he is doing is trying to find a supplier desperately, but there is no one that wants to do business with him.

Patrick

Child talking Rajiv,

sorry make a mistake, i mean.. you have tried go behind my back and..?

What Comes around goes around!

you try to goin after my around me and...?

do you know what this mean... What Comes around goes around?

you are jealous! that is the only reason why you posted stupid things here

Rajiv, never did business before with you, Never a scammed people, and never a scammed you, you don't know the whole story, that's mean SHUT UP! and pay money back to some people.

as you can see from patrick de swert's reply he is running, we are on to him. ANYBODY scammed by him should contact police!

Rajiv, you ###ing snake and loser you are. Is this a way for doing business?

his number is: +[protected]

i believe he is now in belgium, i would contact police to get him at home

First of all, I can only speak about my own experience with Patrick De Swert. Nico De Swert, Dirk Schuurmans, Steven Dewindt were business contacts that he mentionned in his own replies and communications that he made publically. The company he operated under in my specific case is called 'Oromono' and is located in Belgium. My story and comments below therefore do not apply to any other name or company mentionned above. That does not mean that I vowdge for these names that are unknown to me.

Based on my experience I do advise anyone to proceed with great caution whenever doing business with Mr. Patrick De Swert. Especially if a payment in advance is required. Do not be fooled by legitimate looking websites. Over the course of several months he changed the entire look and feel of his website multiple times. Even if your payment directly goes to the so called supplier, even if some sort of legitimate looking logistics company is in between the transaction or if a company is involved that does some sort of stock management and verification. Tripple check everything and don't have blind faith! Mr. De Swert is as smooth as baby oil.

A couple of months ago, Mr. De Swert operated through the website http://www.phoneworldonline.com reselling high-tech products (iPhones, Apple products, HTC phones, etc.) at lower prices. He targeted consumers. When placing an order you had to pay a certain amount in advance, the order was going to be delived in a matter of days. I placed an order and never received anything. I demanded a refund (which is my legal right under local law) but never received anything.

The website is no longer online but the URL www.phoneworldonline.com is now redirecting to www.phone4real.com. The company phone4real appears to be offering high-tech products and targets wholesale buyers. The contact e-mail is a guy named 'Patrick' and the address is still the same.

Dozens of consumers are in exact the same situation as myself, paid money in advance an got nothing in return, waiting for a refund. Some of them filed complaints, others gave up.

So in relation to point 1. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you that he is not telling the truth. I am a buyer, he took my money.

In relation to point 2. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:

The Belgian Government's Economical Inspection (division in Antwerp) confirmed to me the following: following several complaints from customers, they made a visit to Mr. De Swert late 2008 pointing out that he was in violation of national trading law and that he needed to pay these people back. Mr. De Swert showed great willingness and promissed to comply. But, he had to leave the country for a few days for a business trip. He would resolve the issues upon his return. A few months have passed since then and the situation is not resolved. The inspection authorities have tried to get a hold of Mr. De Swert, stopping by at the address that he is referring to dozens of time (so they claim). However, they were unable to get a hold of him. These people just don't ring the bell, they leave letters, notes. If a government instance like that is telling me that they are unable to locate someone, I tend to believe them. I urge you not to take my word for it, you can contact the government's economical inspection in Antwerp at +32.3.206.94.43 on weekdays between 9am and 17pm CET.

In relation to point 3 of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:

I do not have a complete list of all consumers that are in the same situation as myself but from what I can tell, there are a lot of people in my situation. I do urge you to GOOGLE on 'Patrick De Swert' and 'phoneworldonline.com'.

The following website is a notification website where people can report what they believe to be fraud. The word 'internetoplichting' litterally translates to internet fraud. The link http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.0 is a thread dedicated to Mr. De Swert's activities and it lists names of consumers even official case numbers submitted to local police.

These is a Dutch website and I can understand that it is not of much help to English speaking people but I urge you to use the following service http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ which will enable you to translate the website from Dutch To English. Please take your time and browse through these pages. You will find some valuable information.

Other websites are http://miphone.web-log.nl/mijn_weblog/2008/08/nieuw-blogske.html and http://www.9lives.be/forum/apple/587425-phoneworldonline.html

Complaining customers come naturally to doing business. However, these are a lot of complaints in this case and all about goods never received and money never refunded. There is no way you can minimize this situation to a matter of one individual customer that talks bad of you. There are too many websites and too many testimonies of people that tell the same story.

Mr. De Swert's has given many explanations and told some really incredible stories about his setbacks which lead to the current situation. To make a long story short: he claimed to be the victim of a scam himself. All the money that people paid in advance was most likely used to place an order in hong kong (or china) and he claims that he got scammed (loosing a lot of money). He briefly believed that playing the victim role would generate sympathy among consumers and that they would exonerate him from having to pay their money back.

Naturally, consumers did not agree so he started to have an avalanche of really bad luck on a daily basis which naturally delayed his legal obligation to pay people back. He claimed that he was scammed again, suddenly offered the opportunity to people to pay extra money in order to speed things up, then his hard drive containing all consumer contact and payment information fell on the floor and he lost everything, naturally you could not reach most of the time because his mobile phone didn't work well ... the list goes on and on ...

Mr. De Swert claims in his statement above that he is working on the problems but he has been claiming that for months now. He's claiming that he would pay everyone back 'eventually' but message disappeared rapidly. Often he made statements such as 'if I was a scammer, I would not invest so much time in making things right' or 'if I was a scammer, I would be long gone but I'm still here'. He plays the victim role perfectly, always blaming other people, even the consumer. According to his own statements, consumers that file a complaint would not get their money back because they don't deserve it, because it's childisch of them to file a complaint for a couple of 100 Euros and simply because these complaint are really making his life difficult. At some point he blamed the consumer for the situation.

Mr. De Swert has my contact information through my original order information, numerous e-mails and reminders that I have sent him and to which he replied. I did resend all my information again when he dropped his hard drive. If he does not know or can't remember then this is because he does not want to.

I have no alternative motive in telling you this information except to warn other consumers not to make the same mistake.

Don't take my word for it, GOOGLE!

Hello,

I'm Patrick De Swert,

1) Never took money from buyers.
2) Police can't locate me, my contact information can you find on my site!
3) Hundreds of victims? put the list on the internet!

We never accept money from buyers, we bring only the buyer to the supplier. I don't see the scam are fraud!
If we are scammers a took me one other name and website.

and yes! there are problems with people that never received the goods, and this was not my intention, we are be scammed before and we are working on it.

Patrick

Along with many others, I placed an order with Patrick De Swert (and Dirk Schuurmans) through www.phoneworldonline.com and paid money in advance.

The orders were never delivered. He simply took our money.

I would say this qualifies as a scam.

Local police is unable to locate them. Why is that?

I cannot but repeat that you should be very aware of these people, both as supplier as well as as customer !
Many people in Belgium, to my knowledge have been scammed by phoneworldonline.com and as far as I know this company is under serious investigation with Belgian authorities since they scammed so many buyers of iPhones, made them pay in advance hundreds and hundreds of euros, for goods they never delivered...!

Better safe than sorry !

@ Patrick de Swert & Nico de Swert : do we need to remind you of sites such as www.internetoplichting.nl and others where there is a list of people who paid for an iPhone, but never received one ? Not one, not 10, but hundreds of victims, just google "phoneworldonline.com" and plenty of sites where people who have paid in advance for an iPhone and never received it, nor got their money returned to them, just google and you'll find plenty of these site !
So people be careful before buying, check other options and certainly donot make advance payments !

I can agree on what it says above! They pulled these scemes many times on hardworking Belgian citizens and are now on the run for the Belgian police. If Mr. Nico De Swert has a big mouth and wants prove...I have prove that these guys are scammers. Apparently they are involved now in 'wholesale' scams. www.phone4real.com is Patrick De Swert's website, watch out for these frauds!

These guys are not scammers they do legitimate business because I have done business with them before so who ever posted this post saying that they are scammers are liars.

Opticsco@yahoo.com

I cannot believe that Morgan International has the nerve to call Jonathan Mathai or anyone else involved a scammer when we were trying to secure the goods with Cargo Express. When they were asked to show proof of stock, they couldn't do so, and when we tried to verify the SGS report that VIJAY gave us with SGS themselves, we were told that the document was a fraudulent one. Jonathan spent time and money to get his visa and fly to India and all he was able to see was one Iphone box with an iphone supposedly in it, and he wasn't even allowed to buy it! So please, show me where I or anyone you named tried to scam you and I will persoanlly apologize, but I know what happened because I helped broker this deal and put an immense amount of trust in Vijay and he, along with Morgan International are liars. They asked for 30 000 dollars up front so that they could ship the phones to Hong Kong, even those our client was already in India meeting with them. Why not just let him get the phones himself and pay you then? Losers!

Stephan George
Cocotaso01@hotmail.co.uk

CAN THE PERSON OR COMPANY WHO FILLED THIS COMPLAINT PLEASE IDENTIFY HIMSELF OR PRESENT HARD EVIDENCE! EVERYONE CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT THIS WAY. SERIOUS!

Why did the person who made this complaint didn't post his or her full name or contact info? This is clearly someone who's trying to undermine the business of Jazzway LTD and everyone listed on the complaint. The only person or company that could have posted this complaint is MORGAN INTERNATIONAL an India based company in New Delhi that tried to rip of Jazzway ltd a few weeks ago for millions of dollars. MORGAN INTERNATIONAL claimed they had a stock of Original Apple iPhones. Upon our investigation with local attorneys we found out that MORGAN INTERNATIONAL was a complete fraud. The person who represents MORGAN INTERNATIONAL goes by the name of Vijay. Mr Vijay presented numerous company documents issued by the government of India. After our investigation it was clear that all the documents where faked and that MORGAN INTERNATIONAL are international scammers and thieves and are probably the people behind this complaint.

Nico De Swert
info@nicodeswert.com