Grace & Truth Ministries review: Religious harassment 220

"The PROBLEM WITH JIM'S CHURCH IS THIS: ***there is a mass confusion as to the OFFICES/ offic-ial nature of JIM's function. "
His function is obviously what he's doing. He is the Pastor who feeds the flock and he "heralds" the truth. Plain. Simple. Not very technical as you're making it. Where is the "mass confusion"?

"As a Pastor---JIm can say he 'feeds the flock'...SINCE.."PASTOR" comes from the Ety. root. "pasturos...to feed the flock' ..or WHEREVER you want to go with that...SO, yes, Jim 'feeds' the flock..but..PASTOR meant something different 2k years ago to today. "
It isn't what "he" says he's doing but according to what the Word says. "Pasturos" is the 2nd century defintiion

"A PASTOR connotes/denotes in our culture an "OVERSEER and ONE who gives a Sermon."

It doesn't matter what's in our 21st century culture. You just emphasized the importance of words 2, 000 years ago. You can't insert modern ideas to an old text nor can you define ancient words through a modern perspective. A sermon is a message and it is clear that what he teaches is a message. In fact, it is the "nomos"

"Jim is not that. Jim is quarrelsome and he does not give a SERMON.. He gives a History and Language class on the Bible. YET, he is not an Historian or Linguist by Academic Standards... He's, in SO many ways...beyond the Academia of the Day..."
Quarrelsome, bad choice of words. Who is he arguing with? "by Academic Standards"? Are you saying he needs flattering titles that Job spoke against? (Job 32:33) Oh you're saying that a man that has a Ph.D is more creditable? That's very shallow thinking.
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" 1 Cor. 1:27

"Nevertheless, Jim has a hard time with a society that Cannot understand why he is so "LOUD (mental, emotional, physically) ..."

Would you prefer that he be friends with the world and enemies with God?

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." (James 4:4)

I'm happy that he's following God's Word and not society. We know where most of the society is going.

"If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." (John 15:19)

Kyle is only right that Jim is humbled to God than men. It's God's way or not. The reason many will not understand or have the capacity to understand is because God has not given them ears to hear or eyes to see.
Calling a person "stupid" by definition is what Solomon called "brutish" and this is a man that "hateth reproof." (Proverbs 12:1) It means to be dull of hearing. This is the same definition of "stupid" in our English language. So will you say Solomon had it all wrong as well?

"Jim is simply a "misread'' by American Society. He never fit in anywhere in any situation EVER except his "Church Family''. He is in Heaven there and I don't blame him for wanting that. Jim needs his church like they-those who are 'misreads' need him. "

It is pitiful that you have to stoop this low but those who follow Christ will be hated

"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified." 1 Peter 4:14

"Jim's church is the perfect place for JIm and his kind. "IT" works for Jim and them. I needed Jim as an individual 'teacher' and 'bigger brother' at a season in my life--- just like I needed a Jack Hammer on my head to drive me through myself in my personal arrogant and immature behaviors. Now, that I have grown up..Jim NEEDS another 'little one' to teach and drive 'self out of self'' with.. THIS IS A GREAT FUNCTION AND OFFICE for those who are in the Molting Stage. BUT, Beware, when you GROW UP... Jim doesn't grow up with you. I think I hit the FORMULA for this whole thing. Leave Jim alone to what he does best and maybe the CIA won't harass you when you can't get past doing all that you know how to do as a doctor, lawyer, trash man, drummer, etc... Jim is a man...VERY EFFICIENT..the MOST EFFICIENT at what he does. GOD bless him for that!"

To even think that you've "arrived" is evidence that you're still arrogant and have exalted yourself at some lofty level. You still need a "Jack Hammer" or two even though you believe you grew up. You're playing both sides of the fence here. You're commending Jim while insulting him. Which side of the fence do you stand on? You bless him at the end but curse him throughout your message. If you belong to God repent of this silly stuff, get back in learning the truth, and bow to God's will.

This Jim Brown Has Been Getting On My Nerves, He Has Just About Turned My Husband Upside Down. He Does Throw Some Bible In There So People Thinks He Knows What He Is Talking About, But He Is Actually Turning people away from God. I Just Have To Keep Praying And Have Faith God Will Turn My Husband Back Around.

i remember when Jim said to me, right after both of my parents died (last year): "So, how does it feel to be alone; both of your parents died and your wife left you". I said, " It feels GREAT because I don't have to clean their dirty bodies anymore and get the calls throughout the night (for years): "Mr. Jones, Your Dad fell, he's in critical care...you might want to come here quickly". OR, my mom's incessant screaming at night due to her bad health...all of which I took care of them both until the NURSING home had to be the option. In contrast, Jim Brown stopped talking to his parents -abandoning them both because they believed in "Free Will''. He didn't even know when they passed away. So, I'm relieved. My Parents are either in Hell or Heaven...I believe HEAVEN. Jim says "Hell".
Oh yeah, I remember one time when I came back to his church 5 years ago to visit and he (JIM) Slapped me as hard as a man can slap a man asking me 'what and where I had been'. My friend who came with me saw it (Jim slap me) ...My friend said that he would have knocked Jim out for that. I took it, smiled and said..."i've been worshipping GOD outside of here". I was condemned by Jim for that (worshipping GOD outside his church).

Still, Jim studies his history, Languages and has the TEACHING part down better than anyone I've heard on radio or t.v. or internet.. Jim, himself, as his own person--i think, ...is half a maniac. I remember when I first was his understudy, back when i was around 20 years old ...maybe 21--- He used to teach me the Bible then show me around his business at the Real Estate Company. He would 'randomly' call someone '''out'' and say, "hey, could you wear a better looking squirrel on your head (referring to the toupee) or tell someone that they needed to repent. THen, of course, he'd say that he did too...WHICH, naturally, led to the 30 minute sermon right there..

I didn't know what to think...i wasn't impressed..but, I just discounted it.

Jim would challenge me to go into ANY PLACE and scream "REPENT". He told me that my parents didn't love me because they were incapable of of AGAPE love.
I had been a stutterer all my life, backwards, then, went into the Marines. Got out. Screwed up. Jim was a jack hammer to hammer my mind into a fixed position. I later became somewhat of an academic. I 'learned' my way 'out' of Jim's possessing Church organization.

I have the ability, i believe, to see what a ''''cult'''''' really is.
I wish that more people would ask me about it. I wish more sincere people would be on this site verses the jerks that do 'drive-by' insults who know absolutely NOTHING about what REALLY needs to be said here.

This site-page should be changed to "HOW TO DEAL" with the VERY FEW people like JIM that can really confuse the weak minded.

AGAIN, Jim's teaching is sound. His personality, JIM HIMSELF--confuses that 'soundness' with him being sound

---let me re-state this. Let a minister get down from his pulpit and into the congregation and tell face to face his congregation that they, individually, are stupid because they can't understand something. What this means is that 'their WILL to comprehend something wasn't strong enough-in contrast to the mental might or will of the Preacher''. < Jim does deny GOD's Sovereignty when he calls someone stupid. If GOD ordained someone to be stupid but be a good street paver- well, thank GOD for our even and straight streets... y'know what I'm saying? To call someone ""STUPID"" is to deny that GOD made them that way for now.
This is an example, in my opinion, where Jim does go off the mark.

I heard another Texas preacher tell his congregation that if they did not believe what he said they were stupid. I think this is a style of 'preaching'. I don't like it because it's a style and not a semiotic or socially sensible component to the context of a teaching/ learning scenario. Call someone stupid while you're having a dialogue in a church and see if the Preacher's bravado starts to lose his income more quickly than the blanket 'stupid' remarks he makes in a pulpit < which is a 'flare' or show of the draw back to 1800's gun-slinging Texan- whether preacher or gun slinger--- Texan.

cylo, you really just can't read. I get it now. That's why you can't respond to anything but the foppery that takes place in your mind.

No wonder people hate religion so much, it just makes one angry and suspicious.

AndyEi. You are presumptive. You "think'' your 21st century 'terms' '''fit'''' into the Theology that is presented in the original New Testament Greek Text 2 thousand years ago. They don't.

an author determines the book. when it is finished it is then read.

you are using the term 'free' as meaning: ""without constraint"". You are 'constrained' NOT to do everything else except what you are 'exactly' doing now.

"Doom'' ? ..huh? read Tolkien's treatment on "Doom''. It means "Dominion''. Yes, God, is my "Dominate''.

you said, "So, you think God 'doomed' all of us to burn.." ?! what.. When, where, wha? ...
Well, WHAT you are REALLY doing, ANDY, is '''''reacting'''''' to what you "THINK"" i am thinking .

What's worse than that is you are unable to think clearly because you are '''in''' a system of thought that makes you presumptuous. You presumed a '''formula''' for setting upon me (and yourself).

"Fatalism'' means an organized pattern to death. Predestination means a glorious understanding of why we must suffer and suffer in a Great Plan to Life and Salvation.

Either you get serious and more humble with your approach or it will be impossible to talk anymore to you.

eleutheros?, ballein, ?, thumea, ?

If she had no free will by that I mean she could not take the apple (of whatever that actually was), then why it was considered by God as a SIN? It's a predestination, then. Doom. So you think God doomed all of us to burn forever in fire while saying it's our fault when it's not provided there was no free will.
In that case I guess we are all creatures of hell, not God.

---put it like this: Read about the REALITY (-ies) of set laws within Thermodynamics...THEN, 'create' your own personal 'terms, ideas, wordages, dialogues, etc...that go 'against' the rules, laws, etc of Thermodynamics. THEN, speak your fabled terms, ideas, wordages, dialogues, etc. to other people. THEN, create a "theology'' based on your isolated-personal 'terms, ideas, wordages, dialogues, etc...THEN, create a "churchianity'' based on your "terms, ideas, wordages, dialogues, etc. and let "that thing'' that you fabricated grow into a institution of 'religion'. Well, two things: 1) your 'errors' --would be definitively expressed by the Hebrew - Kabal - Abbadon - Ra'h... meaning: 'useless, out of truth's sight, failure to comprehend, apprehend, fit, signify. / 2) Your 'missing the mark' of intelligent design --Greek: 'ananke' or dwelling in the bramble and thorns-- was part of the entropic design that GOD put you in. "Free Will'' is a term that - in all 66 cases (see my "anatomy of Will lectures 1-7) cannot, does not make grammatical or social 'sense'.

lol! Andy! ...I did a lecture at Vanderbilt on 66 terms for "free" and "will'' from/in the original Greek (pagan/ Christian). We, if 'we' are---as ** Baptist-Methodist-Catholicized - Western-21st cent.-American society ** wanting to "concoct' (using our 'lessen-than' American language) a 'doctrine' that says that EVE or ANYONE else can break the laws of momentum -Established by a Sovereign God... then, go ahead. I have 66 reasons-back by the Greek that say you don't have the ability to 'speak' about 'free-will' as a viable term if you are linguistically and spiritually sane...let alone being sane. I'm not here attacking you, Andy...at all...i'm only saying. No. Eve does not have your ''''idea'''' of "free will''''.

So was there free will of Eve when she took the apple according to the Grace and Truth?

Thanks for the diligence, Topix! These are my final words: We all have different 'offices'. When speaking of "offices''...we speak of "separate'' jobs or functions. Hences, "office'' or separate from something else in order to do a specific function. Take for example this: I was a Marine...but I wouldn't apply 'deployment' procedures on my own family. In the Ministry, there are different "offices'' as has been told to us in 2 Timothy 2:24 --" an overseer of the Church is to be gentle WITH EVERYONE and NOT QUARRELSOME with EVERYONE.."...

Kyle you are 100% correct. He shouldn't hide behind a fake name to confuse us of the original point to this topic. He lives near Hendersonville, TN and "MHJ's" IP address is coming from Old Hickory, which is literally right next door. Yeah, he is trying to hide under this alias. (nothing new there)! A drug dealer/addict and bi-sexual, speaking the words of God, he makes me sick! Don't get sucked into conversations with him, he is just using you to cover the original topic!

is that true? if it is---i have not discrepancy towards this forum and MHJ---but I'd ask MHJ if this is true for the sake of MHJ's intention and association with Grace and Truth Ministries.

I have read this entire thread, and spoiler alert! "myheroisjesus" is in fact Dave Tuckmantel!

http://www.graceandtruth.net/videos-pdf-mp3s/videos

I would encourage everyone to listen to Jim Brown on you tube.. ANY of his lectures/ classes. I've have only seen assault on his style. I've never heard/ seen anyone correct him on direct quotes and disprove what Jim exegetes/ parses--whatever. SO, the challenge to any one out there reading this is simple: Find ANY video out of the hundreds that Jim has taught on and find an erroneous 'to the min-sec. statement' FROM the video that EVERYONE can watch/ access easily and try to correct him. The PROBLEM with ANYONE here on this forum and anyone elsewhere that has insulted or ridiculed Jim has ALWAYS been on 'style' or 'presentation' of Jim's demeanor/ or, idiotic statements from atheists or agnostics or other that don't know ENOUGH about the "GOD" they insult. They insult a 'god' of their mind which CAN BE KNOCKED OVER. So, I stated my challenge. I'm not adding or taking away from this nor do I do bargains with anyone. Remember, I'm not a church member nor do I have any affiliation with his church or Jim.

---and, ...Toyota fan, I read all your mumblings. You have said nothing but slang foppish-knavish foolishness. How can you be this stupid and own a computer? Seriously, Toyota, you really are a dolt. Stop writing, stop talking... stop. You're truly an idiot. So, now, you can write the same imbecilic ramblings without substance. Go ahead, Toyota...you show the waste of energies that your 'kind' of assailant miscreants do. Just type and let those who have sense read and know.

forgive the correct type---'Your grammar sucks'

Toyota - I taught you about tooth Fairies. They're more existent than your intellect. Take a ride to a place that has your kind of reason. You'll find disturbed people there. You're grammar sucks.

I never judged you. I responded to your claims that ""People are Suckers''''. Now, THAT, is a judgement. So, based on YOUR judgement, you set yourself as judge. You must know 'people' since you said that ""PEOPLE"" are 'suckers'. You set yourself up as judge by stating these 'maxims'. These are your judgements, not mine, Cylo.

You just equated me with Jimmy Swaggart. Therefore, on the same INSANE grounds that you judge me I will equate you with a Child Molester. SO, we can now start discussing how foul you are, and how foul things are in the world, right? I mean, after all, you can deal with someone else falsely accusing you for being something that you're not...and THEN, begin a 'dialogue' with them, right? You actually might be a child molester, I don't know...maybe a wife beater...heck..

As to Jimmy Swaggart, I discard Jimmy Swaggart as a teacher of God's words. He has preyed upon the Millions for revenue and is a false teacher.
So, let's get to the 'grit' of your mind---and one by one, if you don't mind...you see, since I'm religious (actually, you are too, ..you see--the word 'religion' has a deep etymological root that stems from the Latin--and furthered by the older Greek--'religion' simply means ' a mode by which someone does something with consistency [ 'threskia' in the Greek -- 'a mode of operation' / Religio- 'a connection of threads/ a corded rope} ], and therefore, i must be bad...therefore, i must not be thinking right...so, help me, Cylo. Be slow and methodical about it, please...cause, I'm asking for your help. Oh, yeah...since you breathe, you are religious...it's what you do consistently.. This makes you bad? The word 'idiot' comes to mind when I'm reading your words. "idiot'' means a person who gets to themselves and makes isolated judgements. Look up the etymological root for 'idiot'. That would reference your style.
Ok, FIRST question: oh, wait a minute, if you're religious, then you're bad and therefore, your judgements couldn't be right...so, relatively, to all that I've said...I dismiss you. Next please.

Its no wonder so many people hate religion, too many different "gods" and lies. I never claimed I could "save these people from being sucked in" I just said "you can suck people into anything, especially when they are down and out. Humans have been lying to each other for decades. Tell me something, if religion is so god damn wonder ful, then why the hell is the world in such a mess? Could it be that religion is part of the problem and NOT the solution? I don't see this god or allah or muhammed or any other "higher power" intervening when people are being murdered every day because of religion. All I see everyday, is how horrible the human race is, and how manipulative they are to. Religion is nothing more but a money making business, its "organized religion" that people don't need. You kyle jones, also must be another lying Jimmy Swaggart, or that other looser, whats his name that "swindled" people out of thousands.. Look in your own mirror before you judge me. Im not out lying to people, or scaring them with lies and b.s. If you want to be true to others, then stop begging for handouts for the church. Religion should be FREE.

i'm going to email you now, lfis492a

I look forward to it bro kyle (the fellowship) In fact if i were to hear from you before you go on your trip i'd like your input on a study we, here in NYC, are doing on this sat. rev 17 in regards to the harlot. Lord willing, i'll speak to you soon bro.

Agape and phileo

I've never tried to suck anyone into anything before, so... how does it work, Cylo. You say that 'you can suck them into anything'...''''people''', that is. Is your statement of 'sucking people into anything' by your first hand knowledge doing this?--- Or, are you a first hand witness? If you are a first hand witness why, how, why couldn't you 'save' these '''people''' from being sucked into something/ 'the anything'? So, Are you the one sucking people into things...or, are you watching all of this 'sucking of peoples into anything' phenomena without your abilities to help them. Where would you take these 'people' to if they were saved by you from being sucked into the 'anything' ?

ok, Cylo.

well, lfis492a, --Number One--THANK YOU for reading the 'entirety' of the 'thus so far written' ---this means a lot to me.
Number two... I will contact you within the next month. I do sound tracks for film and I will be gone for a while---either locked in a studio here...or out of town.
I will break bread with you- God Willing--soon!
Thank you, a Lot!
Sol Deo Gloria!
me---

I finally got a chance to read all of your comments Bro Kyle. The ones before and after my comments. I do agree that I was sounding ambiguous at times. Mark 10:28-30 is the reference scripture I speak of. I agree with much of what you have said. A lot. I feel as though I have been put in the basket with others that cling to the teacher more than CHRIST. (probably because of my not being clear)

I hear/read that He has written his laws on your heart. I'm just grateful to Him to allowing me to meet a brother out there in cyberspace. The truth he put into you has been used of Him to feed me. And to encourage me in the truth. I, personally, enjoy spending time with my family. Had a great time breaking bread with some brothers at applebee's last night. (both kinds of bread) If you're ever passing through NYC, Kyle, you have my email. Agape and phileo brother.

ugh..."Their Bible""...not "They're""----

One of the shocking things for me was realizing that the Church of Christ had never developed a systematic-Theological body of doctrine...at least when I was in college--me not being a Church of Christ.. I found that neither did the Pentecostals... The multitude of Baptists had abandoned their initial Calvinistic Theology, Methodists had a body of beliefs--or statements of faith. It is in a congruent - systematic body of Doctrine that one can turn to and have an answerable statement of beliefs that is supported by reasonable and sound exegesis from the Biblical Text. I was watching on Netflix last night the documentary-show.."The Daniel Project'' which is simply awesome and horrifically applicable to the "church'' today. Simply, one of the Scholars on the Documentary, being a Bible Believer/Scholar..said that "Christianity today, by and large, consists of people who attend a church somewhere and do not know they're Bible. Not to even mention the Hebrew and Greek.. they don't have a consistent Theology that holds to the English Text

i need 'qualifying' statements, ifs492a/MHJ. I don't need to 'qualify' Jesus...especially, within the abstract notion that you already have a "Clear'' and "defined'' direct line to understanding my relations with GOD. Believe it or not, I find a lot of what you and MHJ to be very abstract from how i'm thinking---and laden with judgement to boot.
I can't help but to think of the natural islander who loves his/her surroundings and is in tune to their uninterrupted conversation/relations with their participative surroundings...Very possibly, the HOLY SPIRIT is within this Garden with them... THEN... my mental picture holds a ship of Caucasian European Catholic/Puritan Lovers ( me, begrudgingly at times, having been a painful Caucasion one of those) with their vagaries of theosophies, -ologies, -iatries, etc.. ALL too willing to superimpose upon a 'culture' that never needed an 'erroneous-that' ...especially, by FORCE of ignorance ...with guns, knives, brute-strength, volume, and smelliness. "Natural'' means, to me, uninterrupted by man's hands. Clumsy, brute, half-baked, discontiguous, disenfranchised "church-ianity'' that makes me sick to my stomach. I've found peace, IFS492a-MHJ away from a forced 'brotherhood' of polities for the 'sake' of Brotherhood. I have my "Brothers'' and "Sisters''. Is "volume'' what you are looking for? ...I mean... I have anywhere from 10 to 2, 600 that I could call on right now?...that's just to start... I don't know where the Fellowship ends for me? ... Oh, you mean, a 'building' made of man's hands with doors. Yes! I have one of those too! yes! and...Ok, people who walk through the doors and back out again...somehow mentioning the 'name' of GOD in that process...both in and out of those particular doors. Oh, you mean 'consistency' of walking through those doors in the "name'' of Jesus... every week, spot on time... Oh, you mean that... GOD help those who miss a week... if THAT IS the "CHURCH'' the REAL "BODY" of GOD...we're screwed... because GOD would therefore NOT be functioning on Mondays...if there were no service. I understand that 'meetings' or 'gatherings' on spot time are Part of the CHURCH function...and I do this. But, your force of focus, well...it's a very abstract to me. My 'service' is everyday without end... in doors, out doors, naked, not naked, God forbid those to have 'service' naked --- if they are in doors ...because..."service'' must be with people spot on certain days. I'll take my native friends and discuss Jesus...as they have known HIM all of their lives to begin with, via the Holy Spirit.. and NO...i'm NOT a tongue speaking pentecostal... nor do i need the singular, masc. lexical James Strong Greek listing for "tongues'' from your concordance or mine. I got what it means. < not necessarily did I judge you that you would do that... it's the automation of Brownonianism followers that would, indeed, do that with much sufferances to go back to Jim and have show and tell. Again, even that is fine...nearly precious... I just don't like ignorant judgements from men.

fourth is an ordinal number...'forth' is your better option. As to 'family/friend that Jesus speaks of" ---can you show me that verse? I'd like to know Exactly where you are coming from. I'm sure that I will agree with you unless you are insane. I can never imagine a time that I wouldn't even agree with a Pentecostal that the Holy Spirit is a reality. It's the "HOW" the Holy Spirit is 'real'/ the "WHAT" reality does the Holy Spirit express Himself in, by, to, for, etc... . Also, the "kind'' of Holy Spirit. Now, you might send me the James Strong's list of scriptural passages concerning the Holy Spirit but have an entirely different idea of the revelatory nature of the Holy Spirit. Nonetheless, you might have given me much scriptural volume. As concerning your divine command to 'do truth'/ 'by the Will of GOD'/ there are a lot of Christians that say, do, and feel the same way that you do---me included. So, I hope that you don't have a problem with other Christians 'doing truth, by the will of God' --since your "truth and will'' are 'stated' by you as such---i.e., "truthfully'' and by "God's Will", of course. Though, other Christians might have distinguishing ideas from your ideas of 'truth' and 'God's will' I would see the arguments to exhaustion in order to 'distill' the "truth'' to size 'by' God's Will, again > of course. If you have established the maxim for '''idea'' of 'doing truth and doing 'God's will' how far have you gone? and what does that mean for the rest of us who haven't traversed to such distances? Who has the tool or gauge to measure this? and what Christian court decides who our earthly judge should be in the Christian Brotherhood? Really, --- how are you, therefore, different from anyone else and what makes you a favorite servant that others should fall in line with---or under? If we are simply in agreement, then, let's simply be that and go on with it, and you can be 'a Brother'--I'll be the same. I haven't read the 2012 census of "Christian Brothers''...but, I'm sure it's over a hundred. The Other Brothers might be willing to 'agree' with you like I would/ possibly will/ or am... but with more intensity of 'agreement' if that is what you are looking for in me which I don't seem to have by the reprimands given to me. I'm kind of done talking about the 'techniques' of GOD's flaying of my flesh by the agency of another. Enough Flaying Talk, HE's going to really do it.
As to your 'patience'...interestingly, I have had to exert NONE (patience) for you or any of the forum members. THEREFORE, I haven't felt "IMPATIENT" with any of you. Maybe you feel the need to condescend with patience to me. I have thoroughly enjoyed talking and getting what I needed to say 'out' in the forum in what is lacking with MOST Christians---DIALOGUE. I think MHJ is erroneous in his judgements...so, I called him on it. If you are erroneous, I'll call you on it. Which, I am...and, i hope you are feeling my opposition---and, a big 'so what' to this IF I WERE TO BE IN JUDGEMENT OF YOU... which I'm not. There's nothing wrong with the forensic nature of our dialogue...that I've seen.
My final statement is this: you have judged me by telling me and the forum 'my intention' which is NOT my intent. You said that I don't want to 'break bread together elsewhere'.

"as they occur"... I agree. It's the best way to receive "friends" by the grace of God. (Family) And as it occurred you appeared to be "...going for the same quarry/the same prize/ the same goal..." (your Lewis quote) So the "family/friend" that Christ speaks of, in the word, is what i thought "occurred" while visiting this complaint site. I need not "seek" friends or family in the flesh but I am, by the word of God, to spread the truth (the word of God) that the family that is out there may be awakened. (By the will of God) The word also expresses lifting each other up and being patient with one another and their issues as God works in them to burn Self Out. Conforming them to the image of Christ. I'm not hanging out on a complaint website going back and fourth with a brother that believes God's word but yet doesn't want to break bread together elsewhere. Agape and Phileo

you said "your ministry''...actually, here is YOUR statement that I have copy/pasted ---
***(lfis492a's words, not mine >>>) """Kyle Jones, when i get a chance i want to catch up on the conversation then speak to you in regards to your comments on leaving the fellowship of my ministry""""""" (< ending of lfis492a's words, not my words)***. it was misleading.. I left the 'fellowship' of Jim's ministry you do need to read everything SO that you can truly have a grasp on what is Really being said in order that you can safely speak within the context of this forum. By reading the forum, you might halt yourself from saying someone is '''false, not true, right, wrong, etc""

Kyle, I spoke out side of "Jim". I spoke out of the following and teaching of Christ. I didn't read all that you said since my request for you to email me but i will shortly. I only read the first few lines of the first response of yours. My comment that MHJ spoke well was based on the word of God. You accused me of saying the comment because he or she is a fellow member of my church. That's not right and false. The word of God says to NOT be a respecter of persons when putting people (brothers and sisters in truth) against the word of God. I will continue to read your comments. But my request for an email is because I would love to meet a brother in CHRIST not a brother in man.

I wanted to copy and paste this section for TOYATOFAN

""As to Toyatofan123...it's alright... I don't know you enough to make a judgement like that... I have known 'brain-dead' people...that is, they died right there, in front of me, and were concluded 'brain dead' in order to 'term' the patient. As to tooth fairy... there is a 'collective' body of works on "fairy'' by Tolkien, Shippey, etc... that would prove that, a "tooth fairy'' is just as real in fiction as you are as a scholar... that is to say...there's a LOT more documentation within 'narratives' that Tooth Fairies have a 'reality' ...a motion, a cause, ... actually, more so than the variables to prove that you are a scholar. Keep it coming Toyotafan123... You give me that Fire! I just adore it! and, may the Tooth Fairy visit you in certain ways...and May Jesus approach you in different ways. Read Umberto Eco...good stuff.

( i hacked the grammar this time...don't care...5 cups of coffee laden with the joy of SPEAKING MY MIND HONESTLY). ---but, 2nd to last line.."Precious" not 'preciously/ ////

as a co-note-- the infamous/ famous...whatever, atheist, Christopher Hitchens remarked that there has never been a more psychotic depiction of a "father-figure'' than that of a "god'' who would make you fallible, demand perfection, and judge you to hell for eternity for your incapabilities of 'being repentant.

I profess that Christ IS LORD/ HE is LORD over me. I fail in HIS regard BECAUSE I am made that way---not to be a sniveler of "oh, my failure to meet to GOD's standard'' BUT, the recognition of what HOLY is and that I TRULY and nearly hilariously am incapable of doing. I really cry because of the DISTANCE that my conscience can have from GOD. The sadness is the distance and longing to be with GOD to have ULTIMATE RESOLVE OF THE PLAY. BUT, i'm in the 'play'...and I will "act it out'' until it's over. I LOVE GOD, I LOVE CHRIST with all my heart. I reject Pharisaical statements telling me that "i'm not RIGHT''', therefore, you should be 'over here' **where*** 'it's right' so that "WE" can tell you that 'we're' '''not right''''---and that's the 'right place to be'. Well, "'that''' is NOT RIGHT. It's psychotic.
It's funny that 'ONLY' Hendersonville, Tennessee '''has''' the "RIGHT" teaching/place of sufferance/ AND DUCKS THAT WALK ACROSS THE STREET with signs that allot 'proper duck walking' ... I think this town is preciously and nearly something you would read out of a MARK TWAIN novel. Gah! I'm smiling inside my soul.
This forum is healing me.