Endless Mountain Labradors review: Puppy purchase 26

Well I was considering getting a pup here, but after seeing how this breeder loses it at people for complaining, and then proceeds to copy paste pages of "testimonials", I'll be looking elsewhere. Endless Mt. Labs does seem like it's all about the money.

I used this kennel for stud services. Only 2 pups were born from this sire. Business owner refused to sign off the liter with the AKC as her dog being the sire until legal action was threatened and DNA testing was done on the pup. Business owner also claims she has the right to proceeds from the sale of the pups that her dog sired. No documents exist between this business and myself yet the business owner claims she is owed money for the sale of pups. Anyone considering this kennel for stud service or puppy purchase need to be aware that they could be scammed and could be harrassed by continuous emails as I have.

I must add…I used the word difficult when describing my previous dog that I loved in relationship to the puppy I got from EML. My puppy has not been difficult at all…not one day has my puppy been difficult. This puppy is so easy and loving and smart. I simply cannot believe any stories that I read on this complaint blog. They simply have to be flukes…which unfortunately happen in life.

I love our dog (puppy) that we got from Endless Mountain Labs. I have read through all of these complaints after having out puppy for 2 months "just because" I was playing around on the internet. I think a number of these complaints are from somewhat crazy individuals…seriously. You are buying a dog. sometimes the dog isn't perfect. The cost cost does not guarantee that the dog will live for 15 years without any problems. It is a dog. I thought that the family was nice and that their home and kennel were exceptional. Our dog (puppy) is the sweetest, smartest, cutest dang dog that I could have ever hoped for. I had a German Shepherd for 13 years so I know difficult yet smart dogs. I never thought that another breed could actually compete. Not only does this breed (breeder) compete but superceeds my every expectation. So your dog has seizers…I find it very interesting that the dog you had before from a different breeder had the same problem. Don't you?

Why would I call Donna Stanley when my beloved Grace began having health issues? Was Donna going to heal her? Grace was on Flint River Ranch dog food (recommended by Donna) when all her allergies began to surface. Donna, you ASSUME when I said we prepared homemade food that we cooked away all the nutrients in Grace's homemade food. We did not. Where did you read the word "cooked" in my initial post? AND you conveniently skipped my sentence that said our vet helped us to supplement Grace's diet with all necessary vitamins and nutrients. This is how we kept her allergies and seizures in check. Flooding this complaints board with compliments (on your behalf) isn't going to stop people who are truly concerned about purchasing a Labrador from Endless Mountain...or as I refer to your breeding practices as Endless Vet Bills. I have been with my vet for over 20 years, Grace was my third Lab that was under his care. I've seen him go above and beyond, not only with my Labs, but with so many of his four legged patients...and the people who love them. When he tells me Grace's health issues were genetic, I believe him. We know our love and devotion to Grace bought her years she would not have had. You are the one who is "ranting, " Donna, and if you are going to use quotation marks then be sure they are quoting something I actually posted. You quoted me as saying I "would not call you" and that "makes (you) wonder if she (me) is hiding something." I never said I would not call you. What I said was "while the vet told us ALL of these issues were genetic (poor breeding) we loved Grace and knew Endless Mountain/Donna Stanley would never admit to the fact that she was to blame." And on this complaints board you prove me to be so right.

Just goes to show what great lengths this breeder will go to attack anyone who dares complain about their ways. After all, It's not money these folks are after...look at their house on the endless mountain web site. Paid for I am sure by...well you all get the point. I would stay away from anyone who attacks and attacks as these rebuttals do.

Is this PETA? An Animal Rights Activist? With our high profile in the dog show world and as a breeder in the past 28 years, I’m actually surprised this is the first time we’ve been targeted. After looking into it with technology, we found that this same person has been cutting and pasting the same two paragraphs all over the internet, posing as different people with different addresses, but they all trace back to the same IP address. When investigating the above Animal Rights Activist, we also found her to have an arrest record and several “protections from abuse” from other breeders and at least one pet store. We’ve also filed a complaint with our dog warden in case she tries to trespass in any way. I also found out she is a dog hoarder. This is a CONSUMER board, not a political activist board. This person is NOT a client. This post is actually against the terms and conditions of this board.

We have a flawless record with both our county, the state of PA, and the AKC. I’m also an AKC Breeder of Merit, and AKC provisional show judge. A ‘puppy mill’ would never have so many champions, Grand Champions, or, like us, at present, 3 dogs in the top 100 in the breed, nationwide. Everything I’ve stated is public record. You are welcome to call and talk to any of above agencies. Our business, kennel, and home are an open book and anyone is welcome to come visit us to see for themselves who we are, and the environment that my dogs/puppies live in. Once you’ve been to our place, the claims will be downright laughable to you. This activist was surely never a client

As a response to this person, here is what our clients have said about us and our dogs:
http://www.emlabradors.com/testimonials/

This rant has nothing to do with us, but everything to do with their political view…if you can even follow her logic. To learn more about what the REAL agenda is of PETA and Animal Rights Activists click here:
http://www.emlabradors.com/2013/04/will-the-government-take-your-pet-away/
http://www.ilrdb.com/were-all-damaging-dog-ownership/
Donna and Jonathan Stanley, Endless Mt. Labradors www.emlabradors.com

Oh my. "Listen here!" Translated: "I'm right, you're wrong! I'm smart, you're dumb! I'm big, you're small!" Our less-than-bonnie is not understanding the concept of posting her opinions and complaints in public. This seems to be an epidemic here at CB. When you post your opinions and comments on a public board, be prepared for others to post theirs. They may not be in line with your opinions, but it was not promised that everyone would agree with you.

Your dog is three years old and you received a diagnosis of a thyroid condition and you continue to attempt to breed her? The comment "delivered a litter two heat cycles ago with difficulty... our female has had problems reproducing ever since..." makes you sound like you
care more about the money you can get from breeding and not about your dog. Also if you were told that her thyroid condition is genetic, why are you even attempting to breed her and possibly pass this genetic issue along to another unknowing owner? Even with the best "genetics" we have illness and disease that occurs in both humans and animals.. Please for the sake of your beloved dog, stop attempting to breed her.

On Monday, October 20, 2014 we had to put our beloved Grace to sleep. She was barely six years old. We bought Grace from Donna Stanley on Nov 1, 2008. We had recently lost our previous Lab, who suffered from seizures and colitis (both genetic) and we sought out Donna because we actually believed all that she said on her website about her breeding philosophy. She assured us her pups would be seizure free. Grace was only ten months old when she began showing signs of allergies. Seasonal allergies, as well as food allergies, and many of the medications that would have helped her throughout her short life. She couldn't eat sugar or carbs. We found the best diet for her was homemade, chicken and green veggies only. We loved her so much we spent hours every week making her special food. Our wonderful vet helped us to supplement this diet with the appropriate vitamins. He often commented on her beautiful coat and skin, given all her allergies. She remained on the Nu-Vet vitamins suggested by Donna. Shortly after her second birthday Grace had her first seizure of many seizures. Again with the help of our vet we found supplements that kept her seizures to about two or three a year. Three months after she turned three she had her first acl (knee replacement) surgery. The other leg was done eighteen months later. While the vet told us ALL of these issues were genetic (poor breeding) we loved Grace and knew Endless Mountain/Donna Stanley would never admit to the fact that she was to blame. But the final blow came eight weeks ago when Grace became lethargic and began crying in pain...rising from the floor was an effort for her. For weeks we were back and forth to the vet...her liver numbers were way above normal. The vet ran tests, and finally decided to do a biopsy. When he operated he found that her liver was very diseased. The biopsy showed very advanced cirrhosis...he told us this was yet another genetic issue. She never recovered her appetite after the surgery and then stopped drinking water and we knew we couldn't let her suffer, and made the very painful decision to put her down. We are devastated over the loss of our sweet girl and the pain and suffering Grace and our family have had to endure because of the pure greed of breeders like Donna Stanley. I hope this message will save many other Lab lovers from purchasing a puppy from breeders who care nothing about the breed but only about the money.

Did you know that sadly the majority of puppies brought into this world by Endless Mountain Labradors are done so on a puppy mill farm owned by Mennonites in Penn Yan NY. Who raise their dogs on wire kennels where the dogs cannot touch the ground for better part of the day.

Did you know that most of the original puppy pictures you see online thinking that your new baby is being hand raised in a beautiful home by Endless Mountain Labradors are in reality all stuck in a small cubicle on the Mennonite farm for the first 10 weeks or so of their life.

Did you know that those farm puppies are only brought to Endless Mountain Labradors location a day or two before " you " the new puppy owner show up to buy your new puppy?

Did you also know that this particular Labrador Kennel produces Aprox 150 to 200 puppies a yr. Breeding their females every time they come into heat. Never giving their bodies a rest?

They are merely just a Glorified Puppy Mill. And you are funding this Commercial Kennel by every purchase you make.

Did you know that the reason why this kennel encourages you to buy the Flint River dog food, setting you up with a direct shipping of that food is because they get a percentage off every bag that is sold. And that they don't even feed their own dogs that brand of food, just the puppies who are coming to you.

Did you know that as a rule they bring the mother of the puppies going home to their property as well just in case you want to see both the mother and father. But then the female goes back to the Mennonite farm to live until the next heat.

You were duped, taken advantage of just like the rest of us unsuspecting puppy buyers. Along with the females who are forced to mass produce puppies for human gain. But you didn't know. How could you have known. You believed every word that was told to you. However, now you do know. Please do not support commercial puppy mills.

Shame on them for misleading the animal lovers that we ALL are.

Endless Mt. Labradors here:

I did not avoid Bonnie. She has been regularly complaining to us for a year and a half about whatever the latest news on her dog was. A year ago, I got an angry phone call from Bonnie at which time, she rudely spoke with my assistant about how mad she was that her dog had to have a c-section and that she had lost pups. She has been off and on, calling my assistant repeatedly, harassing her rudely about how “we sold her a dog that couldn’t be bred”.

As to the Thyroid…that is not clearly genetic. It can be environmental (stress, an overweight dog, etc…Bonnie did mention her dogs was VERY overweight), it can be a lack of diet that provides nutrients necessary to nourish the thyroid, or it can be a fluke. I’ve bred labs for almost 30 years and never had a thyroid problem that was genetic, EVER. There is no genetic test to do that will guarantee a pup won’t have thyroid issues, even if the parents’ thyroids are perfect. I’ve been regularly told by my fellow show breeders that I do more genetic testing than others. This is not a case of a breeder not screening their breeding stock as they should.

As to the eye, it seems to weep, but she hasn’t even Cerf’d the dog to get a diagnosis. And she sold her first litter to people saying “the pups eyes are clear by parentage”. That’s impossible without an Optigen test…which she didn’t do either. And, one of the first signs of food allergy in a dog is watery, weepy eyes.

So, I’m confused about the basis of this complaint.

It turns out she DID breed Raven but rushed into what appears to be a poorly preformed C-section. Was the poorly preformed C-section our fault ?…..and the reported persistent UTI’s from that C-section…Was that our fault too? She also claims that because my dogs have “big heads”, she ended up in a C-section. So I guess that’s another reason it’s our fault too. The fact that Raven won’t take to future breeding’s since that C-section now seems to be our fault as well.

And oh, JUST TO BEG THE QUESTION: If she thinks the dog has genetic problems, WHY IS SHE STILL TRYING TO BREED IT? Perhaps she thought a breeding dog was one she could breed over and over and over again to make $$$$?

Bonnie says, “I don’t know what your guarantee says”…Oh, so she never read my guarantee? The part where it says “we cannot guarantee a dog will be able to be bred.”? How could I possibly guarantee that? Did she want a guarantee to say “you won’t have less than 4 perfect litters, you will have equal numbers of boys and girls, no pups will die and you’ll never have a c-section? It gets even more illogical: she’s mad because she didn’t have any females to keep! SERIOUSLY? Is that a genetic problem that is our fault too?

Lesson learned…shame on me for selling Bonnie this dog.

People….READ your breeders’ contract and guarantee. Look at your rights by dog law in your particular state. Follow the breeder’s suggestions. If you trust a breeder enough to get a dog from them, then trust them enough to listen to what they tell you to do.

Measure what you see on complaints boards against what positive things you are hearing. In my experience, the ones that come and vent here are the hotheads, the ones that came to me, and because they did something unethical, or their complaint was illegitimate, they come here to sound off. In the past, I’ve even found out they have lied, once I talk to the vet, and they are trying to get money out of me fraudulently. I answer each and every complaint personally. I avoid no one. I have nothing to hide. I hold to my guarantee every single time.

Unfortunately, the buyer likes to throw it out the window. Strange how that works…

Yes, we only require a dog be put down if it is so serious that it is life threatening OR if the issue is not repairable by surgery. For a copy of our health guarantee, feel free to email us. I believe some people have mis read our contract. Plus, some issues like "Pano" (growth pains) or injury can mimic what seems like dysplasia. And unfortunately, I have researched by calling the client's vet and found that the dog fell off the bed or had an injury, so they were trying to fraudulently use our guarantee to cover their vet expenses. Sad that this happens too often when I look into things. Email us for a copy of our guarantee at bestinshow@emlabradors.com

We have the same problem with our dog from this breeder. We purchased him in the summer of 2012 and now at 14 months and some change he has elbow/joint dysplasia -. hind leg (his right leg). Your right - after all this time we would not euthanize him for another puppy. Might have the same problem again. Paid $2500 and now have a puppy we love but can not go on hikes with, take him boating, hard play etc... Not what we planned.