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FAST TRACK TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM-

FINANCIAL FREEDOM - Financial Seminars by James Smith OR James M Smith

Those who have complaints and grievances regarding INVESTMENTS AND FINANCIAL LOSS through James Smith / James M Smith can CONTACT JAMES M SMITH in PERSON and LIVE at the FINANCIAL SEMINARS listed under Workshops on the Lead and Succeed 2014 website.

http://www.successbusinessseminar.com/

all FINANCIAL classes are taught by James Smith

/ James M Smith. He will be available to meet with all of those who have lost money through classes and INVESTMENTS with James Smith.

the classes are listed with dates and venues on the Workshop Page. Any CHANGES to the NAMES of the FINANCIAL CLASSES may be tracked through the FACEBOOK GROUP and the SUCCESS SEMINAR 2014/ Lead and Succeed 2014 website.

the CURRENT NAMES OF THE CLASSES WHERE JAMES M SMITH / JAMES SMITH OF www.JAMESSMITHCOMPANY.COM AND JAMESSMITHSERIES / OG SMITH TEAM of Organo Gold will be AVAILABLE to meet is http://www.successbusinessseminar.com/workshops.php

Financial Edge and Finacial Freedom are the CURRENT NAMES. Changes to these names may be tracked also through ALL OF THESE Sites and the Facebook group.

James Smith ALSO has a OPEN GROUP on Facebook FAST TRACK TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM that has webinars and live seminars.

James Smith Public Page on Facebook is

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joining this group will give access to all events where James Smith will meet all those who have complaints and grievances.

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James M Smith / James Smith/ James smith company.com can be contacted LIVE AND IN PERSON at the Financial classes by Lead and Succeed 2014 / www.successbusinessseminar.com at the Financial classes listed under WORKSHOPS on the Lead and Succeed website HOME PAGE.
Those who have lost money through classes and investment through James M Smith can contact him to share their grievances with James Smith.
The Financial Classes that are listed under Financial Edge / Financial Mastery / Financial Success have James M Smith available on the listed dates and venues.
The next classes are in Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, and San Antonio in April and May.
Income Diversification and Fast Track to Financial Freedom Facebook OPEN GROUP are also other places that James M Smith can be contacted. This OPEN group is open to all.
Organo Gold Company events listed on the company website are also meeting places where James Smith meets with his students and investors. Www.Ogsmithteam.com is James Smith team that provides information on contacting James Smith.

James M Smith of Lead and Succeed / www.successbusinessseminar.com/ www.jamessmithcompany.com/ jamessmithseries/ OG SMITHTEAM.com/ James M Smith business person public page on Facebook/ Fast Track to Financial Freedom - an Open Group on Facebook / Organo Gold Company Events listed on www.Organogold.com /@jamesssmithlive/ may be contacted for any financial loss and grievances through these sites and LIVE and in PERSON at the Workshops listed on the Lead and Succeed Business Seminar / Lead and Succeed website at success seminar 2014 in Financial classes.

Dates and venues are listed on the Workshop page under FINANCIAL SEMINARS - Financial Success or Financial Edge or Financial Mastery. All Financial and Income Diversity and Fast Track to Financial Freedom seminars.

The next classes are in April in Seattle and Chicago. Dates and venues are available through the Lead and Succeed website under Workshops and to the Fast Track to Financial Freedom Facebook OPEN Group members.

James M Smith of James Smith Company, James Smith Series, James Smith Online, OG SMITHTEAM.com that is a Organo Gold coffee pyramid scheme, speaker and sells Financial Edge Classes for Lead and Succeed at their seminars Success Seminar 2013 & 2014 and teaches the Financial Edge Classes that are listed with dates and venues on their website under Workshops can be contacted for the grievances and complaints. His new Public Page on Facebook has been started by his new student Valentina Kanich of Largo, Florida.
@valentina7777 has started a public page for James M Smith as Business Person
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650&refid=13
James M Smith can be contacted live at the seminars and classes and by posting on his Public Facebook Page.
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650&refid=13

James M Smith's students who have lost money through the financial seminars where James M Smith introduced them to investments that have lost money can get more information through these sites and contact Securities and Exchange Commission in Salt Lake City Utah that is already investigating.
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+smith+armand+franquelin&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

$12M Ponzi Scheme took Victims IRA SEC says
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59056.htm

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James M Smith of James Smith Company, James Smith Series, James Smith Online, OG Smith Team.com that is a pyramid scene of Organo Gold coffee, speaker and sells Financial Edge classes for Lead and Succeed, Success Seminar 2013 & 2014, teaches the Financial Edge classes that are listed on the Lead and Succeed website under Workshops, and sells more classes there.
All those who have complaints and grievances should share them with James M Smith at the seminars and workshops and also on the new Facebook page that his new student Valentina Kanich of Largo Florida @valentina7777 has started on December 24, 2013.
James M Smith has a public page as Business Person https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650
Please post grievances and attachments including photos on his public page.

This company is one HUGE scam that preys on good people by lying to them and doing so in the name of God.

My wife went to the Get Motivated event in Miami a few months back because she was excited about the speakers. She saw James Smith and Phil Town speak bought both of their programs. Initially I was mad at how much money she spent at the conference but I decided to support her and went to hear what these "experts" had to say.

When we attended the first event, instead of seeing Phil Town, we listened to Ryan Smith. He stated that he was the son of James Smith, one of the two speakers that my "sold" my wife at the Get Motivated event. Ryan Smith essentially spent most of the first day bragging about how great he is, how much money he has, how charitable he is and how stupid other people are. He is extremely arrogant and abrasive. He claimed that he was a professional baseball player. The only problem for him is that he never made a professional roster because I am a religious baseball fanatic. I know every team and practically every player. He never played major league ball, or AAA or even AA for that matter. Why someone would claim to be a professional athlete when they verifiably were not is pretty brazen. Ryan also claimed that Donal Trump asked him to teach his kids how to invest in real estate. Although I cannot dispute this fact because I do not know Donald Trump, I did research and find that Donald Trumps kids went to University of Pennsylvania, the same school that Donal went to and Ivanka graduated with a specialty in real estate. Trump also donated millions to that school. Why would Donal Trump pay Ryan Smith, who was (and still is) a kid, to train his children when he is one of the wealthiest real estate investors in the world and sent them to a preeminent school that he obviously believes in because he supports it financially.

On day 2, the tone of the seminar drastically changed. We were invited to meet with "coaches" in the back of the room who would help us figure out a game plan to start investing. As it turns out the coaches wanted to know how much money I had and they asked me if I had credit cards, cash and other assets. I did not know any of these people and yet they were asking me for my personal financial information. This should be a red flag... run.

Toward the end of the day, it became very clear to me why they asked if I had credit cards or cash: they were selling training courses for almost $30, 000. Ryan became very aggressive and spouted off that if we wanted to be prosperous and basically good people, then we would "invest" in ourselves. I don't see how spending tens of thousands of dollars on a program that I have to "buy now" positions me for success in life. If the company that Ryan and all of the other seminar monkeys work for is so reputable and will be around for the long haul, then why do I have to buy now. Why such pressure? We did not return for day 3, even though I was told by one of the "coaches" (read: high pressure salesmen) Nikko that God would be in the room on Sunday and therefore I didn't need to go to church.

I was so upset from the event that I didn't want to go to the next seminar. My wife was very embarrassed as well. Despite the first event, my wife wanted to hear James Smith speak and she said that he was much different from his son Ryan. I decided to go with her to the next event. To my dismay and her horror, the next event which was supposed to feature James Smith actually featured Ryan Smith and his wife Jamie and all of his goons. They told the same stories, tried to tell the same jokes and basically repeated what we paid for just a few days earlier. To sum it up, we left and demanded a refund. Wealth Rock was terrible to deal with because they sounded shocked that we weren't happy with the event and pretended like we were the only customers who wanted their money back. I knew that we were the only ones wanting refunds because at the second event, we sat with 3 other couples that we met at the first event. We all decided to leave at lunch on the first day and we all asked for our money back. I spoke with several other people at the event who had similar complaints.

Three months have passed and they still haven't refunded my money. I called Wealth Rock last week to see when my refund was coming. The phone rep couldn't answer my questions and I asked for the manager. I was told that I couldn't speak with anyone else because Wealth Rock's staff was on "furlough". I had to look up the word and it means a "temporary unpaid leave of absence". Wealth Rock has apparently let their staff go on an unpaid leave for some reason.

Watch out for Wealth Rock, Phil Town, James Smith, Ryan Smith and the rest of these clowns. They will tell you anything and make up lies just to get a sale.

Hey Dennis - I read your posts and the one from James' website. I get where you are coming from and I think that its great that you are helping others to avoid a similar fate. I also attended the conferences, but I did so a little earlier than you it seems. I received everything that I paid for. I met James several times and believe that he was sincere. Something that I just thought that I would throw out there is the fact that REIE and Wealth rock had 1, 000s of students who paid tens of thousands of dollars. I know James has money but I doubt that he has enough to do enough trainings or give refunds except to a small group of people. In the end, its probably best that people stay away. I just dont think that he is dodging a bullet in this situation and I honestly think that he is doing what he can to help. At least that is what I believe from talking to him.

From James Smith's website>>> http://goo.gl/4zV6x

As an investor who has been given the enormous blessing of being able to travel the world helping others learn how to conquer fear and achieve varying levels of financial success, I have worked tirelessly to give each person who meets me that which I desperately wanted early in my career; a financial pathway that inspires people to take action. My challenge, and equally my motivation, has been to incite a spark of belief inside of those who feel like they cannot overcome their circumstances and are bound to the failings of their past.

Despite what some people might think, I do not run a large company with legions of employees; in fact, this company, the “James Smith Company” is comprised of me and my incredible assistant. For all but 6 years of my speaking career, I have not owned the companies that organized the speaking events where I presented. I know my strengths (investing, motivating people, teaching) and my weaknesses (management, paperwork). I capitalize on my strengths and identify others who help me where I fall short. In real estate for instance, if it were not for my wife, mortgages and taxes would go unpaid, property managers would be unaccountable, and HUD-1′s would be lost in a stack of clutter. My task has always been to work with people that I trust and believe in – many times I am right, but sometimes I am misled.

In 2010, I was approached by Joe Johnson, who at the time was an executive at Get Motivated Seminars. I had partnered with Get Motivated Seminars for years and was confident that they employed good people. Joe Johnson propositioned me with an offer to buy Real Estate Investor Support “REIS”, the seminar company that I founded in 2007. He convinced me that by selling my company to him, I would be able to spend more time teaching others and expanding our message to international audiences. As I noted above, the dynamics of running a large organization simply aren’t my forte – I wanted to be client facing, not employee facing. One main deal point for me was the ability to oversee and manage the material that was taught to people who attended the new company’s trainings.

In January of 2011, Real Estate Investor Education “REIE” purchased all of the assets of REIS and Joe Johnson was now in charge. Initially the relationship between myself and REIE was excellent and I was glad to have trusted Johnson. This trust however would prove to be short lived. In July of 2011, Johnson started engaging in activity that violated my sale agreement with his company. I questioned him and attempted to make him adhere to our terms, but it was clear that he had a new agenda. In addition to changing the name of the company from REIE to Wealth Rock, he stopped working with several of the instructors and trainers that I believed in the most. In addition to personnel changes, he stopped making payments to key creditors and boasted a “sue me if you don’t like it attitude.” People sued. For months leading up to the final insolvency of Wealth Rock / REIE, good and honest people who worked for Wealth Rock and who believed in Joe, went unpaid. Selling my company to REIE nearly cost me the entire value of my company, which I had built up over years of work and sacrifice.

Since Wealth Rock shut its doors, I have, at my own expense, held trainings that Wealth Rock students were allowed to attend at no cost to them. I have hosted hundreds of students in San Diego, Marina del Rey, Dallas and Orlando. These trainings were merely designed to teach students the material that they paid Johnson’s company for, but did not receive.

This article is not written in order to garner sympathy for myself – I do not need it. Even though my deal with Johnson has cost me a significant sum of money, the financial investments that individuals and family’s lost with Wealth Rock / REIE was potentially greater in magnitude than my own. I merely want to clarify to the thousands of Wealth Rock / REIE clients that I have, and will continue to, provide you with as much educational content as I possibly can. I do not have a budget to do this; however, my mission when I started speaking was to help others. I deeply regret selling my company and am ashamed that I was misled. I want to make it right to the greatest extend that I can.

We, too, got caught in the 'company transition'. Though we have documentation from WealthRock guaranteeing that the mentoring would pay for itself or continue until it did, the mentor calls stopped. Also the October '12 M5 which we paid for and RSVP'd never materialized. No contact from the company despite email submission from their website.

We would appreciate any advice of what to do next?

Perhaps fortunately I could not afford the tuition. So now 1 month later, I get a phone call by a guy telling me that for $500 - $1000 I could buy some practical help actually doing paper trading, imitating Phil Smith's trades, and they would walk me through the whole system so that I got it and could do it on my own.

Then one day later I got a phone call from another person who finally after lots of sales-gibber-jab, told me that only $10, 000 would buy me a year's handholding and help. What happened to the $500, the $1000. IN sales, this is lowballing to keep you interested.

Encouraging people to put $10, 000 on a credit card for a course that does NOT guarantee any results is not a good plan in my estimation.

I didn't see where the man said he expected or wanted to become a millionaire over night that is an assumption your making without the grounds in which you need to make that assumption on! I also don't recall him saying they were scammers, another assumption made on your part, but I agree with adampou, why would he say he was a professional ball player when that can so easily be checked out and furthermore to have the gull to say Donald Trump wanted him to teach his children, come on after that I'd want my money back to!

After one year, my husband and I are still trying to get a refund from this company. These snake oils salesmen lied to us about the training that they would provide, about who would be at our training and about the refund policy that backed our investment decision. They use God and faith as a hook.

We were told that if we signed up for the M5 that we would receive the blue prints for success in mobile home park. Ryan Smith said that investing was about following a check list and that checklist would be given to us at the M5. I was told that Ryan and Jamie would personally be there.

All lies.

Ryan and Jamie did not come to the M5 in San Diego. Instead, there were over a dozen salesmen trying to get my husband and I to buy more trainings. We were not taught how to invest in mobile home parks - the company tried to sell us live on site mentoring from someone who would teach us. We were not taught how to invest in senior living homes - the company tried to sell us on a bootcamp that would teach us how to invest in care facilities. On and on the company pitched at least a dozen classes. It was an endless sales event. Almost no meat or substance. I learned from one of the instructors named Jared Osmond but he only spoke a few hours a day. The rest was terrible. Jared told us that his brother was the CEO of the company. We recently learned that his brother quit. Thats right... the CEO quit.

My husband and I also bought one on one coaching. We were promised the opportunity to work with a seasoned investor. The person we spoke with on the phone taught us strategies that conflicted with what we were taught at the Core Strategies class. One coach admitted that he had never attended the class that we paid $4000. Apparently Wealth Rocks feels that it is important to train customers but not their own staff!

My husband and I are about to sue Wealth Rock if they don't refund our money. The lied about what they would provide. Not one class has met our expectations except for the first 3-day event when we signed up for everything. The level of service dissappears as soon as they have your money.

Wealth Rock also tried to claim that they did not owe use anything because the company recently changed hands. From my attorneys research, this company has used about 6 different names in the past 4 years. A company that changes names that much is doing it for a reason.

Stay away.

Wealth Rock took over $50, 000 from my husband and I and we now have nothing to show for it. If you read nothing else, read this...

Run for your financial life!

We went to the Get Motivated Seminar because my husband is a huge Joe Montana fan. We both grew up in the bay area but move to LA about 10 years ago. When Montana spoke at the Get Motivated conference, my hubby had to be there. The Get Motivated event was long but fun. It was at the Staples center and was a neat event. We listened to lots of great speakers. We didn't know what to expect but by the end of the day, we listened to, and were really impressed by, James Smith. We signed up for his event just to hear him more. In the days leading up to the conference that we bought from James, we should have known something was wrong. Two companies, both posing as the company that is officially with James began calling me. I probably received 5 emails and just as many autodials each days asking me to come to different locations on the same day. When we got to the event, we felt good because James was actually there and so was his son Ryan and his daughter in law Jamie and lots of other coaches. At the event, Ryan Smith was the main presenter and he talked about all of the mobile home parks that he owns and he showed pictures of his porsche and of the vacations he went on. It was over the top, even for LA, but we were still impressed and signed up for a $23, 000 (we negotiated a discount) set of classes on trading the stock market and on buying real estate.

We were told that if we signed up for this level of training that we had all that we needed and that we were part of Wealth Rocks inner circle. The first class that we attended was supposed to teach us how to buy and sell residential real estate and provide us with all of the in's and outs of investing. We were also told that we would receive all of the contracts that we would need to be investors. The teacher was a person named Bob Thornton and he had a helper in the back of the room who was another one of James Smith's daughter in laws. We were told that the people at these classes were going to be experts. We asked James' daughter in law several pretty elementary questions and she could not answer a single one. Bob on the other hand was knowledgeable but this class didnt accomplish nearly what we were told that it would. We didn't learn the ins and outs of foreclosures and we didn't receive any contracts. We were merely given a set of books that are very basic and in my opinion, below the grade of what you would receive from an off the self book on real estate from Barnes and Noble.

After we left the first class on real estate investing, we were a little disheartened. This coincided with the time that our phone started to get called repeatedly. When we answered, we were told that James Smith had asked the company to call us to invite us to be part of a select team. They claimed that James wanted to build a select group of highly motivated people that he could train and turn into success stories. We were told that we had to qualify to be a part of the team. We were asked to state our goals and to describe the resources we would use to achieve them. We were asked specific details about our credit cards and bank balances. We believed that because James was part of the company that it had to be good. We gave this information naively. After giving our personal information, another person got on the phone and told us to join James' team, it would require a personal investment. We were told that this investment would prove our commitment and that it would James' team would personally mentor us once a week through the phone and that they would hold our hands through our first deal. We were also going to be joining James for a week long mentorship where he would personally mentor us and a few other people. We foolishly fell for this scam and changed another $25, 000 on our credit card.

The calls with our mentor were an absolute joke. The person we spoke with told us that he had never met James and had never done a deal with him. I am not sure how someone could be a part of James' team when they have never met him. Our mentor also basically told us to run ads for property that we did not yet own in order to find potential buyers. We spent two weeks just talking about running craigslist ads and putting out cardboard signs. The cost of those sessions was $2, 000 by themselves. We were also told that if we wanted to find investors, that we could run ads in craigslist for investors. I later learned that this tactic was outright illegal and my mentor, whom I paid a HUGE amount of money for was telling me to do this!

We then attended the M5 event in San Diego. This event was supposed to feature James. We were told that he would teach much of the course. James only spoke in front of the room for two brief moments. We actually had a chance to meet and speak with him privately. We told him that we were real excited to get to know him better at the group mentoring course that we were taking right after the M5. James surprised us when he said that he wasn't going to be there! He said that Wealth Rock had been sold and that the new owner did not want him to be at the group mentoring course and that he was not welcome to speak at the M5 other than what he did. How could this be? We were sold on James. We were told that he would teach the group mentorship and he wound up telling us that he was not going to be there. James was right, he was not at the mentorship.

Wealth Rock is a huge scam. James Smith is just a paid speaker. He is so nice and hilarious but he has nothing to do with the company and its training other than speaking at the Get Motivated seminar. Do not fall for lying phone reps who call you and invite you to be part of their inner circle. Its all a lie.

We have asked and now demanded a refund but nothing has happened. We got so mad that we spoke to the CEO Aron Osmond who told us that he understood our anger and that he would look into our situation. For several weeks we waiting to hear back and when we didn't we called Wealth Rock and asked to again speak with Osmond. When we were told that he wasn't available, my husband became irate. We later found out that Osmond was no longer with the company.

Take it from me, when a company lies to get sales, won't issue refunds and they are firing key staff, there is a problem.

Please google Wealth Rock and Get Motivated before making any decision. Wealth Rock set us back 2 years in our savings. Dont make the same mistake as we did and decide to enroll in their classes just because you like James or you have a gut feeling. Do your research. These guys are high pressure sales people.

This company is one HUGE scam that preys on good people by lying to them and doing so in the name of God.

My wife went to the Get Motivated event in Miami a few months back because she was excited about the speakers. She saw James Smith and Phil Town speak bought both of their programs. Initially I was mad at how much money she spent at the conference but I decided to support her and went to hear what these "experts" had to say.

When we attended the first event, instead of seeing Phil Town, we listened to Ryan Smith. He stated that he was the son of James Smith, one of the two speakers that my "sold" my wife at the Get Motivated event. Ryan Smith essentially spent most of the first day bragging about how great he is, how much money he has, how charitable he is and how stupid other people are. He is extremely arrogant and abrasive. He claimed that he was a professional baseball player. The only problem for him is that he never made a professional roster because I am a religious baseball fanatic. I know every team and practically every player. He never played major league ball, or AAA or even AA for that matter. Why someone would claim to be a professional athlete when they verifiably were not is pretty brazen. Ryan also claimed that Donal Trump asked him to teach his kids how to invest in real estate. Although I cannot dispute this fact because I do not know Donald Trump, I did research and find that Donald Trumps kids went to University of Pennsylvania, the same school that Donal went to and Ivanka graduated with a specialty in real estate. Trump also donated millions to that school. Why would Donal Trump pay Ryan Smith, who was (and still is) a kid, to train his children when he is one of the wealthiest real estate investors in the world and sent them to a preeminent school that he obviously believes in because he supports it financially.

On day 2, the tone of the seminar drastically changed. We were invited to meet with "coaches" in the back of the room who would help us figure out a game plan to start investing. As it turns out the coaches wanted to know how much money I had and they asked me if I had credit cards, cash and other assets. I did not know any of these people and yet they were asking me for my personal financial information. This should be a red flag... run.

Toward the end of the day, it became very clear to me why they asked if I had credit cards or cash: they were selling training courses for almost $30, 000. Ryan became very aggressive and spouted off that if we wanted to be prosperous and basically good people, then we would "invest" in ourselves. I don't see how spending tens of thousands of dollars on a program that I have to "buy now" positions me for success in life. If the company that Ryan and all of the other seminar monkeys work for is so reputable and will be around for the long haul, then why do I have to buy now. Why such pressure? We did not return for day 3, even though I was told by one of the "coaches" (read: high pressure salesmen) Nikko that God would be in the room on Sunday and therefore I didn't need to go to church.

I was so upset from the event that I didn't want to go to the next seminar. My wife was very embarrassed as well. Despite the first event, my wife wanted to hear James Smith speak and she said that he was much different from his son Ryan. I decided to go with her to the next event. To my dismay and her horror, the next event which was supposed to feature James Smith actually featured Ryan Smith and his wife Jamie and all of his goons. They told the same stories, tried to tell the same jokes and basically repeated what we paid for just a few days earlier.

The event was an exact copy of what we had just listened to. Why did my wife pay two fees for the same classes that had two different names. Makes no sense.

To sum it up, we left and demanded a refund. Wealth Rock was terrible to deal with because they sounded shocked that we weren't happy with the event and pretended like we were the only customers who wanted their money back. I knew that we were the only ones wanting refunds because at the second event, we sat with 3 other couples that we met at the first event. We all decided to leave at lunch on the first day and we all asked for our money back. I spoke with several other people at the event who had similar complaints.

Three months have passed and they still haven't refunded my money. I called Wealth Rock last week to see when my refund was coming. The phone rep couldn't answer my questions and I asked for the manager. I was told that I couldn't speak with anyone else because Wealth Rock's staff was on "furlough". I had to look up the word and it means a "temporary unpaid leave of absence". Wealth Rock has apparently let their staff go on an unpaid leave for some reason.

Watch out for Wealth Rock, Phil Town, James Smith, Ryan Smith and the rest of these clowns. They will tell you anything and make up lies just to get a sale. Oh and they will do everything in the name of Jesus.