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firstly they try to sell you either Google search engine optimization or Facebook advertising.. be warned you will not receive either ...what will happen is ...they sneakily attempt to get you on a rolling contract which takes 30 days written notice to cancel by then you've probably already paid a whopping £500 for something that might cost £20 to do your self . These people will then threaten you will all sorts of stuff including personal debt collectors and legal action if you should cancel your debit / credit card ...
these say they work in london have a po box address in london but are really a manchester out fit with 2 adresses
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more info on him to follow...
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
But '...the ASA...'! LOL
19-08-2011: Yes, The Social Media People has removed almost all of its earlier posts written by its esteemed Public Relations Department - including most of those crowing about ASA etc. THAT has resulted in this forum going down from 30 pages to 18!
I wonder if Public Relations will now get the boot, or perhaps go on an all expenses paid holiday?
I'm sure TSMP had its reasons, but observers might conclude that TSMP realised that the posting, and repeated reposting of the same lengthy, poorly written, badly argued, embarrassing piece just made them look even more unprofessional than they already do.
Even the few they've left on the site still contain lies (or in TSMP speak 'little errors', 'unimportant details') like a 100fold mistake in the % calculation which has already been pointed out to them on at least 3 occasions.
(Will comments like this provoke new, even more crass, posts from TSMP?
Just noticed about 12 pages from this site have been removed! Possibly Tom McVey and his Public relations 'Team' removing all the pages of their repetitive ASA and their 'Director's' standard answer to any challenge?
To post a mistake once, is fair enough? To continually post the same mistake continually without an amendment or acknowledgement of their mistake a blatant lie? Come to your own conclusion!
Tom McVey treats all with contempt, including the likes of Companies House, Inland Revenue, and several other authorities as well as the law of the land, not to mention all of their current and previous scammed customers.
In reality if your expectations are low, then you will not be disappointed by the response from Tom McVey and TSMP - That is what they are counting on as well as people being too embarrassed to complain about that they have been caught out by a Mancunian Family with No Morals, No Integrity, No Honesty and No Decency - ### of the Earth SCAMMERS who give all self respecting business and individuals in Manchester a bad name!
http://badbiz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/McVey-Family-run-The-Social-Media-People.png
The Social Media People is STILL posting its mistakes - or lies:
We have OVER 15, 000 (We are obviously not posting detailed information due to the some malicious individuals on here who are condusting in dispicable tactics to try to ruin our reputation.) social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Pointed out at least 3 times and they can't even be bothered to correct a simple arithmetical lie (error).
To say that 0.0014% is 21 in 15, 000 is wrong - and TSMP knows it - yet TSMP still chooses to publish it.
They treat readers of this forum (customers) just like they treat customers from whom they are still extracting money - with contempt!
Oh Thomas McVey you are so predictable.
Your inability to answer such basic questions as to the unethical practice of your companies says more about you as an individual than it does about those who challenge you.
Your implied threats and abusive phone calls to clients, of which there is evidence abundant, confirms what a Scamming, Unprofessional Low Life you are, who would not know decency if it slapped you in the face.
You claim you are a reputable company, LOL what a pathetic statement to make when you claim you have 15, 000 clients in less than a year, have 6, 000 enquiries from business wanting your services a day? Yeh really, the more you come up with unsubstantiated figures, place irrelevances on web sites and make outlandish claims about your companies client list the more people can see you for what you are - A complete farce!
For anybody to contact you has to date resulted in them receiving abuse from you Tom McVey, so to offer a 0844 telephone number for people to call is only going to result in you Scamming more money from them!
Good Morning All,
Yet more personal insults against our companies owners. This shows a lack of professionalism and decency.
We would advise anybody with genuine evidence to substantiate some of the ludicrous claims made on here to make a complaints to the relevant authority. Constantly making the same claims on here about our ethics & trading practices are just proving them to be hollow claims. If there is any proof that we are half the things we are claimed to be we would have disciplinary action to answer to.
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TO DATE, WE HAVE NEVER HAD ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST ANY COMPANY WITHIN OUR ORGANISATION. WE HAVE BEEN REPORTED BY MALICIOUS LIARS ON HERE BUT AS AUTHORITIES DEAL WITH FACTS NOT SPECULATION NOTHING HAS EVER HAPPENED.
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We would incourage any genuine customers to not give out personal data to any "data poachers" on this or any other site. It transpires some of the people on here who are claiming to "offer assistance" are under investigation form various organisations and we would urge people to listen to the advertising watchdogs conclusion as apposed to comments that are just defamatory.
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We have OVER 15, 000 (We are obviously not posting detailed information due to the some malicious individuals on here who are condusting in dispicable tactics to try to ruin our reputation.) social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.
If you are a genuine customer who is unhappy or wishes to lodge a complaint, please get in contact. Due to the amount of lies from non-customers & competitors please have your customer details ready.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Having to defend our ethics on a daily basis has now got beyond a joke. If we put a comer or full stop in the wrong place we are the victim of a tirade of abuse. If anybody who participates in these daily insults should not only be ashamed of themselves but should rethink the point they are trying to make. Why nit pick & wait for a company to make the smallest irrelevant mistake and jump on them with insults insinuating they are incompetent. We have been reported to every authority in the UK by most of you & they have all found us to comply with law.
We have worked with 200, 000 clients over the past 11+ years and we have always had fantastic feedback.
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Also as long as people try to call us a "scam" and unethical we WILL continue to post details of the ASA regulation. Because neutral readers deserve facts not one person pretending to be 12's opinions & lies.
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With regret we are forced to expose a few characters for their nasty tendencies, opinions & backgrounds so their wrongful claims against us can be treated with the level of belief they should - NONE AT ALL.
We may be biased, in that our organisation has been involved in business 11+ years & is now suddenly wrongfully accused of having no ethics & even "scamming". This has been a hard accusation to face as we are a family business, and our directors have taken a few insults personally and even resorted to defending their integrity themselves. Needless to say it has fell on deaf ears and accusations are constantly thrown in our direction.
We have no personal feelings either way, yes we think there is incredulous people commenting and lying on here, but on the whole we know the truth. So do our expanding clients base.
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So, is The Social Media People a scam, are people right to group together to try to ruin the reputation of a company within a an organisation for 11+ years?
Let me provide some EVIDENCE not twisted words or opinions - EVIDENCE:
There was an add set up, the creator was never proven beyond reasonable doubt as the address & contact details did not match up and could have been set up anonymously by anyone. For this reason we will blank the web address, bout the info is readily available from the ASA:
ASA Adjudication on the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
Date: 27 July 2011
Media: Internet (search engine)
Sector: Business
Number of complaints: 1
Complaint Ref: A11-154984
Ad
A Google sponsored search ad stated “Social media people scam net66-the social media people AVOID this company is a scam www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk.”
Issue
The Social Media People objected that the ad denigrated their business.
Response
www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk said the ad was produced by an individual who had worked for The Social Media People. He stated that the claims in the ad were true and that he intended to continue making similar claims on other sites.
Assessment
Upheld
The ASA noted that the complainant’s company was called The Social Media People and understood that any consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim, we considered that that implication was disparaging to the complainant’s company. We therefore concluded that the ad denigrated The Social Media People.
The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.42 and 3.43 (Imitation and denigration).
Action
The ad must not appear again in its current form.
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I will also quote one of our directors responses in relation to this as it suits our view point perfectly:
I will refer back to the ruling of an ADVERTISING WATCHDOG for people to read & derive their opinions of us not anonymous, malicious & obsessed individuals.
Please read these details:
The ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) Says: "consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim"
Who Are The ASA: The ASA is the UK’s independent watchdog committed to maintaining high standards in advertising for the benefit of consumers, advertisers and society at large. Visit this section for an introduction to the ASA, our remit, history and meet our senior team members.
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If you wish to call us a scam, please don't expect to be believed, complaints are fine, with the amount of customers we have we expect to have unhappy customers, but calling us a scam is different, not ethical & certainly NOT TRUE.
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We are available for contact For any body who is looking for answers, or is still unsure:
Tel: Tel: [protected]
Email: publicrelations@thesocialmediapeople.co.uk
We are happy to deal with enquiries, and answer any questions or queries you may have.
Regards
Public Relations Team
@ The Social Media People
17-08-2011: As Fran687 has so succinctly pointed out TSMP is FAR from professional (profesional!)
Here is more detail on the same:
The Public Relations Department at The Social Media People accuses contributors of a lack of professionalism.
A few examples of ‘a lack of professionalism’ from The Social Media People:
Quotes from, and comment about, Public Relations Dept. 17-08-2011:
1. “This shows a lack of profesionalism.”
– The writer can’t spell x1.
2. “We refuse to stoop to that low level of personal insults & low life mentality. We a re business, we condust ourselves professionally.”
- Can’t spell x3
- TSMP (including Public Relations) forgets it has hurled torrents of abuse and bad personal insults at several people.
3. “...DO NOT have problems with customers calling us a "scam" neither do we have that problem from any regulatory body.”
- Untrue. I’m a customer, and I call TSMP a scam (and so do others).
- No regulatory body would call a company a scam. They would use terms like: ‘criminal’, ‘fraudulent’, breach of regulations’, ‘failure to comply...’. Thus the phrase is irrelevant.
- Poor punctuation.
4. “Just a handful of people who post on here & personaly insults members of our organisation.”
- The writer can’t spell x1.
- The writer can’t construct a sentence x1.
- The writer can’t properly apply singular/plural x1.
5. “Its plain to see from a neutral point of view that this is sad, and unjust speculation that is trying to be spread.”
- No apostrophe.
- TSMP is not neutral – just as its critics are not neutral.
- The writer can’t construct a sentence. ‘unjust speculation’ is not ‘trying to be spread’, although (if you had a bias towards TSMPs position) you might write: “people are trying to spread unjust speculation.”
6. “We will constantly remind people of what the advertising watchdog had concluded about us. Proving that some of the lies and comments on here are nasty & untrue opinions from people who are not even clients.”
- The ASA ruling did not conclude that the comments on this forum were nasty or untrue; indeed ASA made no comment whatsoever about this forum.
- The ASA did not conclude that that the comments on this forum – or indeed the advert which was the subject of its adjudication – were made by people who are not clients of TSMP.
- The writer can’t construct a sentence x1.
- The writer uses very poor grammar.
7. “...COMPALINTSBOARD.COM...”
- The writer can’t spell.
8. “...MALICIOUS THE CONTENT GET ON HERE AND.”
- The writer can’t construct a sentence.
- ‘GET’ should be ‘GETS’: - ...AND. – a full stop after the conjunction?
9. “...WHO IS JUST A PUPPET OF COMPLAINTSBOARD.COM...”
- Unsubstantiated claim. TSMP might believe it (although I doubt it) but cannot justify ‘IS’.
- The writer uses ‘WHO’, but it should be ‘WHICH’.
10. “...ASKING PEOPLE FOR INFORMATION IN DETAIL TO TSMP AND SELLING IT ON...”
- The writer can’t construct a sentence.
11. “...ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND OFFENDERS ARE ON POLICE BAIL.”
- Unsubstantiated claim; and irrelevant to the preceding point.
12. “We would incourage any genuine customers...”
- The writer can’t spell.
13. “...and we would urge people to listen to the advertising watchdogs conclusion as apposed to comments that are just defamatory.”
- The writer omits an apostrophe.
- The writer can’t spell.
*- *A RARE accurate point is made! Readers should indeed take no notice of “comments that are just defamatory.” However points which are true are NOT defamatory – no matter how unpleasant it is for TSMP to see them. So take note of the myriad true points and documentary evidence, and pay no attention to those which are ‘just defamatory’.
14. “We have OVER 15, 000 (We are obviously not posting detailed information due to the some malicious individuals on here who are condusting in dispicable tactics to try to ruin our reputation.) social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.”
- WRONG! Despite 2 contributors pointing out the previous lie (or error?), TSMP continues to write inaccurate, misleading statements.
- The 15, 000 is unsubstantiated; but the 0.0014% is just plain WRONG.
- The writer can’t spell x2.
- The writer can’t construct a sentence.
The Social Media People has demonstrated in its most recent post, that even The Public Relations Department – which accuses others of being unprofessional, and is charged with protecting and rebuilding the destroyed reputation of the company – is unable to argue its case without multiple errors (lies), an inability to express itself with any clarity, and defamatory statements which it claims to abhor.
And don’t forget – even a child can use ‘spellcheck’.
Class act -- NOT. / Unprofessional -- YES. / Scam -- YES. / Customer calls it a scam -- YES.
Oh my God look at the state of you! You are utterly ridiculous how do expect any prospective customers to take you seriously with these silly posts!
"This shows a lack of profesionalism.
We refuse to stoop to that low level of personal insults & low life mentality"
ehmmm... Maybe read your earlier posts? And btw calling us all low lifes is quite personally insulting...
Lack of professionalism part just makes me laugh - seriously do yourselves a favour and stop posting nonsense LOL and YAWWWN!
Good Morning All,
Yet more personal insults against our companies owners. This shows a lack of profesionalism.
We refuse to stoop to that low level of personal insults & low life mentality. We a re business, we condust ourselves profesionally and DO NOT have problems with customers calling us a "scam" neither do we have that problem from any regulatory body. Just a handful of people who post on here & personaly insults members of our organisation. Its plain to see from a neutral point of view that this is sad, and unjust speculation that is trying to be spread.
We will constantly remind people of what the advertising watchdog had concluded about us. Proving that some of the lies and comments on here are nasty & untrue opinions from people who are not even clients.
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PLEASE BE AWARE THERE ARE EDITED DOCUMENTS & LIES PUBLISHED ON THIS FORUM, COMPALINTSBOARD.COM HAS OFFERED A "REPUTATION MANAGEMENT" SERVICE TO US FOR £2, 495 AND THE LONGER WE HAVE NOT PAID THE MORE MALICIOUS THE CONTENT GET ON HERE AND. WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE ANOTHER FORUM IS INVOLVED (badbiz) WHO IS JUST A PUPPET OF COMPLAINTSBOARD.COM AND THEY ARE NOW ASKING PEOPLE FOR INFORMATION IN DETAIL TO TSMP AND SELLING IT ON TO VARIOUS COMPANIES - ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND OFFENDERS ARE ON POLICE BAIL. IF ANYBODY IS UNSURE ABOUT US AS A COMPANY PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT THE ADVERTISING WATCHDOG HAS TO SAY AS THEY ARE THE ONLY NEUTRAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION YOU FIND ONLINE.
################################################################################
________________________________________________________________________________
We would incourage any genuine customers to not give out personal data to any "data poachers" on this or any other site. It transpires some of the people on here who are claiming to "offer assistance" are under investigation form various organisations and we would urge people to listen to the advertising watchdogs conclusion as apposed to comments that are just defamatory.
________________________________________________________________________________
We have OVER 15, 000 (We are obviously not posting detailed information due to the some malicious individuals on here who are condusting in dispicable tactics to try to ruin our reputation.) social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.
If you are a genuine customer who is unhappy or wishes to lodge a complaint, please get in contact. Due to the amount of lies from non-customers & competitors please have your customer details ready.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Having to defend our ethics on a daily basis has now got beyond a joke. If we put a comer or full stop in the wrong place we are the victim of a tirade of abuse. If anybody who participates in these daily insults should not only be ashamed of themselves but should rethink the point they are trying to make. Why nit pick & wait for a company to make the smallest irrelevant mistake and jump on them with insults insinuating they are incompetent. We have been reported to every authority in the UK by most of you & they have all found us to comply with law.
We have worked with 200, 000 clients over the past 11+ years and we have always had fantastic feedback.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Also as long as people try to call us a "scam" and unethical we WILL continue to post details of the ASA regulation. Because neutral readers deserve facts not one person pretending to be 12's opinions & lies.
_________________________________________________________________________________
With regret we are forced to expose a few characters for their nasty tendencies, opinions & backgrounds so their wrongful claims against us can be treated with the level of belief they should - NONE AT ALL.
We may be biased, in that our organisation has been involved in business 11+ years & is now suddenly wrongfully accused of having no ethics & even "scamming". This has been a hard accusation to face as we are a family business, and our directors have taken a few insults personally and even resorted to defending their integrity themselves. Needless to say it has fell on deaf ears and accusations are constantly thrown in our direction.
We have no personal feelings either way, yes we think there is incredulous people commenting and lying on here, but on the whole we know the truth. So do our expanding clients base.
_________________________________________________________________________________
So, is The Social Media People a scam, are people right to group together to try to ruin the reputation of a company within a an organisation for 11+ years?
Let me provide some EVIDENCE not twisted words or opinions - EVIDENCE:
There was an add set up, the creator was never proven beyond reasonable doubt as the address & contact details did not match up and could have been set up anonymously by anyone. For this reason we will blank the web address, bout the info is readily available from the ASA:
ASA Adjudication on the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
Date: 27 July 2011
Media: Internet (search engine)
Sector: Business
Number of complaints: 1
Complaint Ref: A11-154984
Ad
A Google sponsored search ad stated “Social media people scam net66-the social media people AVOID this company is a scam www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk.”
Issue
The Social Media People objected that the ad denigrated their business.
Response
www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk said the ad was produced by an individual who had worked for The Social Media People. He stated that the claims in the ad were true and that he intended to continue making similar claims on other sites.
Assessment
Upheld
The ASA noted that the complainant’s company was called The Social Media People and understood that any consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim, we considered that that implication was disparaging to the complainant’s company. We therefore concluded that the ad denigrated The Social Media People.
The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.42 and 3.43 (Imitation and denigration).
Action
The ad must not appear again in its current form.
_________________________________________________________________________________
I will also quote one of our directors responses in relation to this as it suits our view point perfectly:
I will refer back to the ruling of an ADVERTISING WATCHDOG for people to read & derive their opinions of us not anonymous, malicious & obsessed individuals.
Please read these details:
The ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) Says: "consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim"
Who Are The ASA: The ASA is the UK’s independent watchdog committed to maintaining high standards in advertising for the benefit of consumers, advertisers and society at large. Visit this section for an introduction to the ASA, our remit, history and meet our senior team members.
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If you wish to call us a scam, please don't expect to be believed, complaints are fine, with the amount of customers we have we expect to have unhappy customers, but calling us a scam is different, not ethical & certainly NOT TRUE.
*************************************************************************************************************
We are available for contact For any body who is looking for answers, or is still unsure:
Tel: Tel: [protected]
Email: publicrelations@thesocialmediapeople.co.uk
We are happy to deal with enquiries, and answer any questions or queries you may have.
Regards
Public Relations Team
@ The Social Media People
Sadly sarcasm, facetiousness and intelligence fly over the heads of TSMP and all their directors and management - guttural innuendos, threats and general abuse are their name of the game with:
No substance - No backbone - No ethics - No integrity - No customer service - No truths - No morals - No good Scammers - Deceitful - Harassing - Threatening - Intimidating ### Of The Earth McVey's, namely father Neil McVey, son Thomas(Tom) McVey, their little 'princess' Grace McVey all being liars and deceitful individuals who are well suited to the antics of pikies of which I suspect they have an extremely close link!
And wait for it '...the ASA...'! But the pressure must be on for them to stoop to the low level of reporting fictitious activities to '5050', making intimidating telephone calls all of which will bite them hard by the appropriate authorities as Pandora's box is being opened, ironically by them! Well done TSMP!
Without a shadow of doubt Tom McVey IS Steven Jackson and Jonathan Barker-Smith!
If not, Tom McVey prove different! You can not, your an appalling individual who has multi personalities and personna - possibly due to the copious amounts of powder snorted, which sadly leads to paranoia and schizophrenia of which you could possibly be subject to. Medical advice and loads of counseling should assist!
I am led to believe that using your addiction as an excuse for your behavior, does not stack up as a defense although it will be taken into account for mitigating circumstances when referred for social reports prior to sentencing; Although you Tom McVey are probably more savvy with courts of law procedures due to your personal experiences whilst in defense.
16-08-2011: The 'Anonymous Telephone Caller'
The Social Media is so completely out of fuel for its smokescreen tactics that it just repeats itself endlessly. Perhaps it believes that filling the forum pages with ''cut and pastes' will achieve something.
For education rather the amusement here's a small 'cut and paste' from an earlier post from me:
There are still things which can further expose TSMP as the bad business it is. Listen to this recent addition:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PrwTS9JA0
And then consider it alongside the evidence of the earlier recording of Steven Jackson and Jonathan Barker-Smith, at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdMJgoQDqI
Tsmp
I can't understand why you haven't mentioned any of this before? It has certainly changed my view of your company to such an extent that I'm thinking about re-advertising with you.
Tom, I also think I recognise that voice. I get a call every night from him to make sure that I'm tucked up in bed ready for the morning and all the customers Tsmp have found me. Oh happy days.
Posted at 8.30 with cup of hot chocolate to help me sleep.
Oh dear, it would appear the company calculator is out of batteries again! simple maths are not obviously one of TSMP's skill sets!
For those who did not do percentages at school, it is really quite easy.
15, 000 alleged clients (not bad getting that number in less than a years trading, surely Manchester Chamber of Commerce must be putting them up for a award?) divided by 100 equals 1% (150). To make it easy:
15, 000 = 100%
1, 500 = 10%
150 = 1%
15 = 0.1%
Do the Maths!
Only 21 alleged complaints = ? Most certainly not 0.0014% as claimed by TSMP!
How can anything they say or print be taken seriously when their 'argument' is factually flawed and incorrect, which incidentally is a copy and paste from a previous comment by TSMP that was highlighted at the time to be mathematical error!
So the conclusion is, as with the continual ASA 'quote', they have nothing in their armoury to counter any legitimate questioning of their business practices other than to print bollocks figures!
Oh I nearly forgot the visit to TSMP, by Manchester Trading Standards, to their Portugal Street resulted in Thomas McVey telephoning a previous client to threaten and attempt to intimidate ! What a class act Tom McVey is!
Did someone say 'ASA'? I seem to hear an fading echo, echo, echo...
Good Morning All,
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PLEASE BE AWARE THERE ARE EDITED DOCUMENTS & LIES PUBLISHED ON THIS FORUM, COMPALINTSBOARD.COM HAS OFFERED A "REPUTATION MANAGEMENT" SERVICE TO US FOR £2, 495 AND THE LONGER WE HAVE NOT PAID THE MORE MALICIOUS THE CONTENT GET ON HERE AND. WE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE ANOTHER FORUM IS INVOLVED (badbiz) WHO IS JUST A PUPPET OF COMPLAINTSBOARD.COM AND THEY ARE NOW ASKING PEOPLE FOR INFORMATION IN DETAIL TO TSMP AND SELLING IT ON TO VARIOUS COMPANIES - ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND OFFENDERS ARE ON POLICE BAIL. IF ANYBODY IS UNSURE ABOUT US AS A COMPANY PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT WHAT THE ADVERTISING WATCHDOG HAS TO SAY AS THEY ARE THE ONLY NEUTRAL SOURCE OF INFORMATION YOU FIND ONLINE.
################################################################################
________________________________________________________________________________
We would incourage any genuine customers to not give out personal data to any "data poachers" on this or any other site. It transpires some of the people on here who are claiming to "offer assistance" are under investigation form various organisations and we would urge people to listen to the advertising watchdogs conclusion as apposed to comments that are just defamatory.
________________________________________________________________________________
We have over 15, 000 social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.
If you are a genuine customer who is unhappy or wishes to lodge a complaint, please get in contact. Due to the amount of lies from non-customers & competitors please have your customer details ready.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Having to defend our ethics on a daily basis has now got beyond a joke. If we put a comer or full stop in the wrong place we are the victim of a tirade of abuse. If anybody who participates in these daily insults should not only be ashamed of themselves but should rethink the point they are trying to make. Why nit pick & wait for a company to make the smallest irrelevant mistake and jump on them with insults insinuating they are incompetent. We have been reported to every authority in the UK by most of you & they have all found us to comply with law.
We have worked with 200, 000 clients over the past 11+ years and we have always had fantastic feedback.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Also as long as people try to call us a "scam" and unethical we WILL continue to post details of the ASA regulation. Because neutral readers deserve facts not one person pretending to be 12's opinions & lies.
_________________________________________________________________________________
With regret we are forced to expose a few characters for their nasty tendencies, opinions & backgrounds so their wrongful claims against us can be treated with the level of belief they should - NONE AT ALL.
We may be biased, in that our organisation has been involved in business 11+ years & is now suddenly wrongfully accused of having no ethics & even "scamming". This has been a hard accusation to face as we are a family business, and our directors have taken a few insults personally and even resorted to defending their integrity themselves. Needless to say it has fell on deaf ears and accusations are constantly thrown in our direction.
We have no personal feelings either way, yes we think there is incredulous people commenting and lying on here, but on the whole we know the truth. So do our expanding clients base.
_________________________________________________________________________________
So, is The Social Media People a scam, are people right to group together to try to ruin the reputation of a company within a an organisation for 11+ years?
Let me provide some EVIDENCE not twisted words or opinions - EVIDENCE:
There was an add set up, the creator was never proven beyond reasonable doubt as the address & contact details did not match up and could have been set up anonymously by anyone. For this reason we will blank the web address, bout the info is readily available from the ASA:
ASA Adjudication on the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
Date: 27 July 2011
Media: Internet (search engine)
Sector: Business
Number of complaints: 1
Complaint Ref: A11-154984
Ad
A Google sponsored search ad stated “Social media people scam net66-the social media people AVOID this company is a scam www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk.”
Issue
The Social Media People objected that the ad denigrated their business.
Response
www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk said the ad was produced by an individual who had worked for The Social Media People. He stated that the claims in the ad were true and that he intended to continue making similar claims on other sites.
Assessment
Upheld
The ASA noted that the complainant’s company was called The Social Media People and understood that any consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim, we considered that that implication was disparaging to the complainant’s company. We therefore concluded that the ad denigrated The Social Media People.
The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.42 and 3.43 (Imitation and denigration).
Action
The ad must not appear again in its current form.
_________________________________________________________________________________
I will also quote one of our directors responses in relation to this as it suits our view point perfectly:
I will refer back to the ruling of an ADVERTISING WATCHDOG for people to read & derive their opinions of us not anonymous, malicious & obsessed individuals.
Please read these details:
The ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) Says: "consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim"
Who Are The ASA: The ASA is the UK’s independent watchdog committed to maintaining high standards in advertising for the benefit of consumers, advertisers and society at large. Visit this section for an introduction to the ASA, our remit, history and meet our senior team members.
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If you wish to call us a scam, please don't expect to be believed, complaints are fine, with the amount of customers we have we expect to have unhappy customers, but calling us a scam is different, not ethical & certainly NOT TRUE.
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Sounds very much like the 'Steve Jackson' that I spoke to.
Where is he now? Sabbatical. Gardening leave. Perhaps he has left the company. Or perhaps he never Steve Jackson.
posted at 8.45am for the benefit of TSMP
And who could the voice be?
Ah yes that would be master Thomas Mcvey with no doubt his daddy Neil Mcvey sat in the background encouraging his co director son to commit more abuse and threats to those who challenge the business practices of their Scamming company? Whilst incidentally also encouraging other members of the family such as 'little' Grace to commit perjury possibly?
Who does everyone else think the voice is?
15-08-2011: The 'Anonymous Telephone Caller'
These recent posts have been an interesting diversion for the evening, and we all got chance to be a bit philosophical - but its not important. TSMP looks after itself only.
UTH states that TSMP has nothing to say which could make the company look good; and is right - nothing could be said which could conceivably defend its terrible record.
BUT - there are still things which can further expose TSMP as the bad business it is.
People have had the opportunity to hear TSMP's Director in action during telephone messages.
Listen again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdMJgoQDqI
And then consider it against the evidence of another recording - of an anonymous telephone call made on 13 June:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PrwTS9JA0
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Probably because they are unable to post anything that makes their company look good. I assume this is also why they refuse to answer any questions put to them and continue to post the same thing time and time again...Or maybe Tom had it correct and they are looking after us?
I.P tracking. yes of course although I think Uth reasoning is probably more likely. Sad buggers if they are working our when people are posting.
Why?
I would think they work out the time of posts from the bit at the top that states how long ago the item was posted. We all know how good they are with arithmetic so I really can't imagine that they get this wrong.
Having said that, they seem to have their own laws, ethics, morals, versions of events, arithmetic, etc etc, so it is possible that they are privy to different data from the rest of us.
Anything is possible in TSMP world.
Yesterday Camilla4785 attempted to discourage customers from visiting and registering on BadBizforum.com.
The line of reasoning is interesting - and revealing.
It is self evident that Camilla4785 wants people to believe that BadBizforum is a scam - but as the website does not charge fees, nor take money it can't qualify as a scam - which is a scheme to take money by deception or trickery.
MUCH MORE IMPORTANT though - is that Camilla4785 states:
QUOTE "to anyone who thinks they were scammed by TSMP, you are about to be scammed a second time by Badbiz. don't fall for it. learn from your first mistake. be a little smart."
If you read that statement properly you can see that the arguement being presented is that:
The Social Media People is a scam. BadBiz is claimed to be a scam. If you were to be scammed by BadBiz, it would be for the SECOND time - therefore supporting the argument that the 1st time you were scammed was by The Social Media People. And that your dealings with The Social Media People were a 'mistake' which you should avoid repeating.
So whilst that post doesn't do BadBizforum.com any favours, it is FAR more damaging to The Social Media People - who have 'scammed' you!
We must remember that TSMP can trace all people posting on this forum by 'I.P. Tracking'. This enables them to know not only when you post, but who you are, and what you had for lunch.
That is why TSMP chastises people for posting after bedtime, when they should be sound asleep in order to be refreshed for the following day.
THAT'S how caring and diligent they are - watching us all carefully so we don't do anything naughty.
Or was the 'I.P. Tracking' - described to me in a telephone message from TSMP Director of Customer Service - just another lie?
Listen to TSMP tell lies - and confirm other lies, at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdMJgoQDqI
I may have missed something but how do TSMP know what time the posts are? are they privvy to different data to us.
15-08-2011:
UTH makes a good point. As there are so many dissatisfied customers in UK it would be surprising if all those in the USA had experienced a better level of service.
Additionally some people who work in the hotel/restaurant trade, nightclubs etc would often be working into the small hours.
So why is it even noteworthy - let alone remarkable - that people post at all sorts of hours - other than as part of a very unconvincing smokescreen of diversionary tactics.
The issue is the appalling business practices of The Social Media People - plus of course, its inability to do anything other than cut and paste what in the first place was a dull set of rubbishy claims, only made worse by repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.
(Note to the uninitiated: TSMP claims to be operating in USA are just to make them seem big; not really true. The phone number they give is 'Out of Service'.)
Tsmp
Could the posts very late at night that you question actually be from your clients in a different country/time zone as I believe you have stated that you run offices in some very exotic locations?
Regards UTH
Helen,
That is the experience of most of us. We had no response whatsoever referring to our Google Analytics, which would lead one to suspect that the ad never went up in the first place but we asked TSMP for clarification and to explain what an impression actually was, because they also use the word adverts, but we have never had a reply from them regarding this. The reply always says 'we have done what we have said we would do' and they have never varied from this type of reply. You actually get nowhere at all with them. We do await to hear from someone out there with a different story but that hasn't transpired yet.
Good Morning All,
Again we have been verbally assaulted over the weekend, the interesting point is some of these comments have been made at 1 & 2 in the morning. If anybody has any doubts as to the integrity or the business prctice of companies with the organisation, please check the ASA - The Advertising Watchdog's comments, NOT angry people making 100's of negative comments and generally defaming us.
We would incourage any genuine customers to not give out personal data to any "data poachers" on this or any other site. It transpires some of the people on here who are claiming to "offer assistance" are under investigation form various organisations and we would urge people to listen to the advertising watchdogs conclusion as apposed to comments that are just defamatory.
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We have over 15, 000 social media clients and have had 21 genuine complaints.
That is 0.0014% of customers unhappy about the service.
If you are a genuine customer who is unhappy or wishes to lodge a complaint, please get in contact. Due to the amount of lies from non-customers & competitors please have your customer details ready.
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Having to defend our ethics on a daily basis has now got beyond a joke. If we put a comer or full stop in the wrong place we are the victim of a tirade of abuse. If anybody who participates in these daily insults should not only be ashamed of themselves but should rethink the point they are trying to make. Why nit pick & wait for a company to make the smallest irrelevant mistake and jump on them with insults insinuating they are incompetent. We have been reported to every authority in the UK by most of you & they have all found us to comply with law.
We have worked with 200, 000 clients over the past 11+ years and we have always had fantastic feedback.
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Also as long as people try to call us a "scam" and unethical we WILL continue to post details of the ASA regulation. Because neutral readers deserve facts not one person pretending to be 12's opinions & lies.
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With regret we are forced to expose a few characters for their nasty tendencies, opinions & backgrounds so their wrongful claims against us can be treated with the level of belief they should - NONE AT ALL.
We may be biased, in that our organisation has been involved in business 11+ years & is now suddenly wrongfully accused of having no ethics & even "scamming". This has been a hard accusation to face as we are a family business, and our directors have taken a few insults personally and even resorted to defending their integrity themselves. Needless to say it has fell on deaf ears and accusations are constantly thrown in our direction.
We have no personal feelings either way, yes we think there is incredulous people commenting and lying on here, but on the whole we know the truth. So do our expanding clients base.
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So, is The Social Media People a scam, are people right to group together to try to ruin the reputation of a company within a an organisation for 11+ years?
Let me provide some EVIDENCE not twisted words or opinions - EVIDENCE:
There was an add set up, the creator was never proven beyond reasonable doubt as the address & contact details did not match up and could have been set up anonymously by anyone. For this reason we will blank the web address, bout the info is readily available from the ASA:
ASA Adjudication on the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk
Date: 27 July 2011
Media: Internet (search engine)
Sector: Business
Number of complaints: 1
Complaint Ref: A11-154984
Ad
A Google sponsored search ad stated “Social media people scam net66-the social media people AVOID this company is a scam www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk.”
Issue
The Social Media People objected that the ad denigrated their business.
Response
www.the-social-media-people-scam.co.uk said the ad was produced by an individual who had worked for The Social Media People. He stated that the claims in the ad were true and that he intended to continue making similar claims on other sites.
Assessment
Upheld
The ASA noted that the complainant’s company was called The Social Media People and understood that any consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim, we considered that that implication was disparaging to the complainant’s company. We therefore concluded that the ad denigrated The Social Media People.
The ad breached CAP Code (Edition 12) 3.42 and 3.43 (Imitation and denigration).
Action
The ad must not appear again in its current form.
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I will also quote one of our directors responses in relation to this as it suits our view point perfectly:
I will refer back to the ruling of an ADVERTISING WATCHDOG for people to read & derive their opinions of us not anonymous, malicious & obsessed individuals.
Please read these details:
The ASA (Advertising Standards Authority) Says: "consumers searching for ‘Social Media People’ via Google would see the advertisers’ sponsored search ad appear alongside the search engine results. We considered that the ad was alleging that the Social Media People was a company running a scam and because we had not seen evidence to support that claim"
Who Are The ASA: The ASA is the UK’s independent watchdog committed to maintaining high standards in advertising for the benefit of consumers, advertisers and society at large. Visit this section for an introduction to the ASA, our remit, history and meet our senior team members.
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If you wish to call us a scam, please don't expect to be believed, complaints are fine, with the amount of customers we have we expect to have unhappy customers, but calling us a scam is different, not ethical & certainly NOT TRUE.
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We are available for contact For any body who is looking for answers, or is still unsure:
Tel: Tel: [protected]
Email: publicrelations@thesocialmediapeople.co.uk
We are happy to deal with enquiries, and answer any questions or queries you may have.
Regards
Public Relations Team
@ The Social Media People
15-08-2011: Bad Biz 2 commented last night that:
"By the way - the SMP were invited to put their case forward on this forum several weeks back. No response."
and once again provided the link to another forum which would provide a more 'neutral' platform for TSMP to defend itself.
TSMP, of course has failed to take up that offer, and readers will draw their own conclusions as to why.
It's worth remembering too, that 99days ago (and back at the beginning of page 2!) the offer was also made to TSMP to present its case, by publishing ALL the documents and phone calls relating to its dealings with me. That gave them the opportunity to show how brilliantly they had done their job, and preclude further criticism from a very unhappy customer.
TSMP, of course has failed to take up that offer, and readers will draw their own conclusions as to why.
In addition to documentary evidence of the errors, misdemeanours, and crimes which have been published on this forum, have a listen to a recording, which you can judge for yourself. This continues to demonstrate some of the methods TSMP have used - and still do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdMJgoQDqI
The issue is the bad business practices of The Social Media People; and attempts to divert attention from this by slagging off third parties should not obscure that issue.
The Social Media People is widely, regularly and justifiably criticised, but does not answer its critics or the facts presented.
Readers will draw their own conclusions as to why..
ooHelenoo
Taking into account that the 'click through' is approximately 0.04% on average (not my figures, but easily checked if googled) I think it is fir to say that Pay By Impression which TSMP are utilising when they SCAM individuals and companies is a load of Bollocks!
Are they Scamming people - YES
Have they any integrity - NO
Have they any Honesty - NO
Have they any decency - NO
Have they any scruples -NO
Are they Scammers - YES
Are the Directors Thomas Mcvey, his dad, Neil McVey and all the other aliases they use, as well as their sister/daughter committing continual lying, bullying, threats, illegal behavior, contravening official company legislation - YES!
SCAMMERS - LYiERS - CHEATS - ### OF THE EARTH - INCESTUOUS ###S !
Draw your own conclusions and look at what has been said, not by me, by previous 'clients' of theirs - all good -NOT!
By the way - the SMP were invited to put their case forward on this forum several weeks back. No response.
I and others were prepared to listen. But the more I hear and read the more I think the comments about TSMP are
not wide of the mark.
http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=25666207
Dear oh dear.
More smears. Why not just answer the questions under your real names.
28 pages on this stuff and it goes on. Some folks will be saying there is no smoke without fire.
We will await the response of TSMP with interest. I wonder whether someone from the company can finally put the minds of their customers to rest. If the TSMP were such a great company why are so many people commenting otherwise here.
Camilla,
Your are not a believable character! We are concerned about TSMP on this forum yet you always wish to divert attention to Steve Jones. The fact that TSMP has the same modus operandi is patently obvious and we don't fall for it.
Hi everyone,
Thanks for the welcome - I appreciate it.
Interesting about the false identities - I can see that there are a number of fake ones hanging around their Facebook page which can be reported to FB.
I am looking forward to the report that we will get to see how well my ad is doing. I set up an identical landing page and ran an identical ad myself as soon as I realised TSMP was a pile of pants (approx 6 hours after they debited my card).
My ad ran for 6 days and at the point I got the data, theirs had been running for 14 days. According to Google Analytics there were 41 arrivals from Facebook on my landing page, and a massive 1 - yes, 1 - onto the page I set up as the TSMP ad landing page.
I can't compare the impressions though, could be wildly different as of course I now realise 30, 000 impressions is very low. I am so looking forward to getting my report which I can tell already will be illuminating. If it appears that I did not get the impressions I paid for, I hope to take it further and get my 140 squiddles back.
How did your reports look?
Helen
14-08-2011
Hear some of the TSMP lies yourself by listening to the recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdMJgoQDqI
camilla4785, Tom McVey is not 'squeaky' clean. Umh was that a drug gang related incident he/you were involved with a couple of years ago? Never use the Class A that you are dealing is generally the code, not getting 'messy', paranoid and schizophrenic as always a good call!
And what about TSMPs precious Terms and Conditions?
One of their Terms was:
"11.1 The Company is under no obligation whatsoever to accept the cancellation of the services ..."
Which of course means that if TSMP choose to decline to accept your cancellation then you will pay, and pay, and pay until such time as TSMP chooses to release you - or until 'Kingdom come' - whichever is the sooner.
Even TSMP realised that one wouldn't hold up - and they changed it: - interestingly enough when Steve Jones (BadBiz) advised them about it.
camilla4785, or should we say Tom McVey and his entourage? Fool child!