Afternoon Zachy Poo
Ms. Desired Pup Gal -
Why are you selling puppies with worms? Why are you selling Tea Cup dogs if you are so reputable? And how could you not know about Brucellosis? That is a BIGGIE there. Any one who breeds dogs should know of this disease.
It does sound you are being honest - thank you for that.
But please do NOT sell your pups at 5 1/2 weeks old. Please de-worm them correctly. The public who buy dogs/pups should not have to be faced with these situations. And but yet another but - there is the fact of the low cost of your puppies which seems to compensate for said problems. To me, that is a cop out. Do it right and sell them for more money or don't do it all.
No hate your way, just confusion.
Those web sites do NOT research the breeders. Any one can go to the site pay $240 a year and advertise dogs and pups.
Hello Matt -
I really hope you are telling the truth. It will take an army of people to clean your site up. The bad breeders just change their names and email addresses.
Folks the ONLY way you will know if the breeder is telling the truth - is to visit their kennel or home. Then when you get their; ask to see the parents. Look at the parents eyes, ears and teeth - are they clean? If not, why would you want to give said breeder money to support such bad habits. And if the breeder will not let you see the parents or the premises - then turn tail and run the other way. There is NO WAY PUPPYFIND.com can weed out all of the bad breeders. The bad breeders have been doing it for years and know what to do to get YOUR MONEY. You should use sites such as PuppyFind.com as a tool. At least Matt is trying - that is more than some sites.
Take Care Matt
Ann Marie Thrower
Hello again,
Just looked on this site about other sites that advertise for breeders. Do NOT see any of those site managers doing any thing about the bad breeders. So, Kudos to you Matt for trying.
And how/why would my first post get a negative vote. Not that I care. Just putting the truth out there.
Here are other things to help you as a buyer -
Ask for a recent photo of the puppy with an agreed upon word on a piece of paper in front of the puppy - that way you will know if it is a current photo. I am sure some breeders know how to get around this but if they do not email you a new photo soon - would second guess the breeder
Type in the breeder's name or kennel. Then add scam, complaint, con at the end - then google.
Ask for references - then call the people.
Ask for photos of the entire kennel or home. Ask if you can come that day to their kennel or home. If not, you should second guess the breeder.
Ask for a photo of the puppy on a scale with a piece of paper with agreed upon word - that is if you are looking for a small dog. But then of course, the breeder could be lying about the pups age which would throw off the charting process.
Don't buy from a breeder who sells dogs less than 8 weeks old. You really should weight till at least 12 weeks old and some times older with the smaller dogs.
Also, the 24 to 72 hour of bringing said pup to the vet can be a racket. Most pathogens don't incubate till after 72 hours. So, when the puppy becomes sick on day 4 but your vet said the puppy was healthy on day 3 - who do you think will be blamed? You as the buyer will be.
Get every thing in writing from the seller - don't trust any verbal agreement. Don't wire any money. Paypal is ok to use - you might be able to get your money back if said agreement does not go as planned. Really don't think you should buy a puppy on credit; if you can't afford to buy it right out - how can you afford to take care of it.
There are too many dogs being put to death - so, before you give thousands of dollars to a breeder do your research first. Would rather see you as a buyer save a dog from death than support some piece of crap breeder.
Apologies for my grammar - see my own grammar mistakes, but think I get my point across.
And seriously - I do thank you Matt for giving much more effort than other sites that advertise for "Reputable Breeders"
One more thing thought about - look for forums for the type of dog you are looking for if it is a pedigree dog. You can't believe all of the forums but it is still another tool for you. Get on the forum and ask if they know of the breeder. A reputable breeder that has been breeding for a while will be know on the forums.
The original complaint seems to be more with the seller than puppyfind.com
That crap from the seller reads scam all over it. Puppyfind can't help you with your emails. Geeze there are thousands to millions of scams out there just like that. And they don't involve selling a puppy.
Ok - go ahead and give me my negative vote.
Yea for me - Getting lots of negative votes.
Ooooh look there Zach - I am your poodle gal now.
Kissy Kissy Zach
Zachary keeps ignoring me now; boo hoo. He doesn't like me any more Ms. Desired Pups. Matter of fact, think he never did like me. Boo hoo again.
Miss Desired - I really was not after you. Just stating what I think you should be the norm when breeding dogs. My statements are based on past postings about you. But people do lie; imagine that. And T-Cups are a "no no" word for so called reputable breeders. TeaCup dogs do not exist. There is the AKC standard and there are runts of the litter. True small dogs come from many years of selective breeding.
And you really should have known about Brucellosis. Any reputable breeder would require this test before breeding with any of their dogs. Some even request herpes test be done before breeding.
On the other hand their are many people who do not want to pay tons of money for a dog/pup and can deworm and vaccinate the dog them selves. Which is what you offer.
You learned a big lesson here. You can not trust any one but yourself and some times that can be hard to do.
Still no hate your way.
Oh yeah,
Zachary always says the breeder is a puppy mill. Every breeder is a puppy mill person to him except for the precious breeder that his baby came from. Which is a WELL KNOWN REPUTABLE BREEDER. He did do his research and has an excellent pedigree dog.
Zachary has put false information on this board about breeders - and yes, Zach I know this for a fact. He also uses other login names and has his little groupies.
I am not one of his groupies. Just like to follow him around on this board. I have a crush on him because of a personal comment he made to me. LOL.
I might go up state one day a go fishin' with him - but for now he is ignoring me.
Just messin' with you Zach, want start really stalking you - even though you did offer me to your jewelry.
You can come down and see me if you want though.
Ms. Desired - I really think you mean good. And the best to you.
Damn my grammar.
Went ahead and said it before you did Zach.
They are the same circle connected with Jung Pung and others connected. They are through the entire United States too. Also, some come out of Mexico.
There are a few circle of people working together to pull this off. They know what they are doing. Some have been doing it for 30 years.
They will just change name, email, change AKC, CKC or what ever records, change web site, etc. and Ta Da they are back again.
It is simple don't buy unless you can go to the kennel or home.
Sorry for your loss of your puppy.
Here is some help for "Tea Cup" puppies.
First don't buy one till it is at least 12 weeks, 14 to 16 weeks is better. If the breeder hands you a bottle of Karo Syrup and Antibiotics with the Tea Cup pup - Hand the pup back to the breeder and turn tail the other way. Why would you want that responsibility?
I have seen True Small Breed puppies from reputable breeders - they do not run a racket such as above.
Also, Vets can be too aggressive with small pups. Read up on Osmolality of IV fluids. If the wrong fluid is put into a small dog - this could easily kill the dog. Some Doctors much less Vets don't understand the concept of Osmolality. You should even question your vet.
Now a days you can't even trust a doctor much less a vet.
If these small dogs are fed the wrong food - they can die young. The small dogs liver and kidneys can not tolerate gluten, by-products, excess sugar, dyes, etc. You HAVE TO FEED THEM GOOD FOOD. Feed them food with the first ingredient being a meat, the next ingredient usually is brown rice. Brown rice - not White Rice. White Rice, White Dog Bones, etc. have been bleached out. Bad thing for small pups. Most of the food in vet's offices are NOT good food. The vets know this too. It causes a cycle and you just end up back at the vet. The next time you are in a vet's office and there is food for sell - look at the ingredients. Bet some of the food has corn syrup - a lot of dog chews have corn syrup. How can a dog's teeth be cleaned with a sugar?
Flea and Tick control can cause seizures and death in small dogs. Revolution is the best for small dogs - it is not a pesticide. Some times it is not strong enough for some areas. Got to Frontline and HeartGuard - be careful with Frontline; the smallest dose is for a 20 pound dog. Would suggest putting half on the dog first and if needed the other half in 2 to 4 weeks. Dribble the Frontline starting at the base of the head and down to the shoulder blades. If you put to much in one spot, it can cause irritation. Also, don't let any other animal or child ingest the Frontline off of your dog - they can become intoxicated, maybe seizures and a small chance of death.
Also, many breeders are using some type of antibiotic to keep the eye staining down. Tylan is a common one. This antibiotic is ok to use if the breeder/vet knows what they are doing. But Tylan will show up false high levels of liver enzymes - think this is the right terminology. And in the true sense the puppy does not have liver problems.
Also, the fontanels should already be close before the puppy goes home with you. This is the soft spot in the skull where the sutures of brain come together. The skull in pups and even human babies are spaced out and the bones do not fuse together till later in life. This gives room for the brain to grow. Any good mom knows about the soft spot in their baby's head.
Also - there aren't many true 3 to 4 pound full grown dogs. Most will end up being 7 to 10 pounds but the breeder will promise you the pup will average out to 4 pounds.
There is no way PuppyFind.com, or any other similar site, can manage these issues for you. If you ask a breeder enough questions - you will start to get a "feel" if they are honest.
Here is some help for "Tea Cup" puppies.
First don't buy one till it is at least 12 weeks, 14 to 16 weeks is better. If the breeder hands you a bottle of Karo Syrup and Antibiotics with the Tea Cup pup - Hand the pup back to the breeder and turn tail the other way. Why would you want that responsibility?
I have seen True Small Breed puppies from reputable breeders - they do not run a racket such as above.
Also, Vets can be too aggressive with small pups. Read up on Osmolality of IV fluids. If the wrong fluid is put into a small dog - this could easily kill the dog. Some Doctors much less Vets don't understand the concept of Osmolality. You should even question your vet.
Now a days you can't even trust a doctor much less a vet.
If these small dogs are fed the wrong food - they can die young. The small dogs liver and kidneys can not tolerate gluten, by-products, excess sugar, dyes, etc. You HAVE TO FEED THEM GOOD FOOD. Feed them food with the first ingredient being a meat, the next ingredient usually is brown rice. Brown rice - not White Rice. White Rice, White Dog Bones, etc. have been bleached out. Bad thing for small pups. Most of the food in vet's offices are NOT good food. The vets know this too. It causes a cycle and you just end up back at the vet. The next time you are in a vet's office and there is food for sell - look at the ingredients. Bet some of the food has corn syrup - a lot of dog chews have corn syrup. How can a dog's teeth be cleaned with a sugar?
Flea and Tick control can cause seizures and death in small dogs. Revolution is the best for small dogs - it is not a pesticide. Some times it is not strong enough for some areas. Got to Frontline and HeartGuard - be careful with Frontline; the smallest dose is for a 20 pound dog. Would suggest putting half on the dog first and if needed the other half in 2 to 4 weeks. Dribble the Frontline starting at the base of the head and down to the shoulder blades. If you put to much in one spot, it can cause irritation. Also, don't let any other animal or child ingest the Frontline off of your dog - they can become intoxicated, maybe seizures and a small chance of death.
Also, many breeders are using some type of antibiotic to keep the eye staining down. Tylan is a common one. This antibiotic is ok to use if the breeder/vet knows what they are doing. But Tylan will show up false high levels of liver enzymes - think this is the right terminology. And in the true sense the puppy does not have liver problems.
Also, the fontanels should already be close before the puppy goes home with you. This is the soft spot in the skull where the sutures of brain come together. The skull in pups and even human babies are spaced out and the bones do not fuse together till later in life. This gives room for the brain to grow. Any good mom knows about the soft spot in their baby's head.
Also - there aren't many true 3 to 4 pound full grown dogs. Most will end up being 7 to 10 pounds but the breeder will promise you the pup will average out to 4 pounds.
There is no way these issues can me manged for you if you do not have the correct information. If you ask a breeder enough questions - you will start to get a "feel" if they are honest.
I really believe there are many puppies being diagnosed with Parvo. and it is truly another problem. If the puppy was just vaccinated for Parvo - of course, it will show up in a snap test as positive.
Go to the link below and read it - seems to be a good link.
http://thelearningvet.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/parvo-positive/
The above post is NOT for Ms. Desired
It is for you as a buyer. There are many things going on in the world and blame is being put on every one but the original domino.
Here is some help for "Tea Cup" puppies.
First don't buy one till it is at least 12 weeks, 14 to 16 weeks is better. If the breeder hands you a bottle of Karo Syrup and Antibiotics with the Tea Cup pup - Hand the pup back to the breeder and turn tail the other way. Why would you want that responsibility?
I have seen True Small Breed puppies from reputable breeders - they do not run a racket such as above.
Also, Vets can be too aggressive with small pups. Read up on Osmolality of IV fluids. If the wrong fluid is put into a small dog - this could easily kill the dog. Some Doctors much less Vets don't understand the concept of Osmolality. You should even question your vet.
Now a days you can't even trust a doctor much less a vet.
If these small dogs are fed the wrong food - they can die young. The small dogs liver and kidneys can not tolerate gluten, by-products, excess sugar, dyes, etc. You HAVE TO FEED THEM GOOD FOOD. Feed them food with the first ingredient being a meat, the next ingredient usually is brown rice. Brown rice - not White Rice. White Rice, White Dog Bones, etc. have been bleached out. Bad thing for small pups. Most of the food in vet's offices are NOT good food. The vets know this too. It causes a cycle and you just end up back at the vet. The next time you are in a vet's office and there is food for sell - look at the ingredients. Bet some of the food has corn syrup - a lot of dog chews have corn syrup. How can a dog's teeth be cleaned with a sugar?
Flea and Tick control can cause seizures and death in small dogs. Revolution is the best for small dogs - it is not a pesticide. Some times it is not strong enough for some areas. Got to Frontline and HeartGuard - be careful with Frontline; the smallest dose is for a 20 pound dog. Would suggest putting half on the dog first and if needed the other half in 2 to 4 weeks. Dribble the Frontline starting at the base of the head and down to the shoulder blades. If you put to much in one spot, it can cause irritation. Also, don't let any other animal or child ingest the Frontline off of your dog - they can become intoxicated, maybe seizures and a small chance of death.
Also, many breeders are using some type of antibiotic to keep the eye staining down. Tylan is a common one. This antibiotic is ok to use if the breeder/vet knows what they are doing. But Tylan will show up false high levels of liver enzymes - think this is the right terminology. And in the true sense the puppy does not have liver problems.
Also, the fontanels should already be close before the puppy goes home with you. This is the soft spot in the skull where the sutures of brain come together. The skull in pups and even human babies are spaced out and the bones do not fuse together till later in life. This gives room for the brain to grow. Any good mom knows about the soft spot in their baby's head.
Also - there aren't many true 3 to 4 pound full grown dogs. Most will end up being 7 to 10 pounds but the breeder will promise you the pup will average out to 4 pounds.
There is no way these issues can me manged for you if you do not have the correct information. If you ask a breeder enough questions - you will start to get a "feel" if they are honest.
I really believe there are many puppies being diagnosed with Parvo. and it is truly another problem. If the puppy was just vaccinated for Parvo - of course, it will show up in a snap test as positive.
Go to the link below and read it - seems to be a good link.
http://thelearningvet.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/parvo-positive/
Still NO HATE your way Ms. Desired. You seemed to have made many people happy with your other puppies.
Just help for people to understand what is going on.
Not a problem Matt.
Here is some thing else to help you as a buyer. Go to the link below. It is info about False Positive Snap Test for Parvo.
http://thelearningvet.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/parvo-positive/
Some puppies are being diagnosed with Parvo and it is a False Positive Snap Test. If the puppy was just recently vaccinated for Parvo, naturally it would show up. That is how the vaccine works.
I really believe there are many puppies being diagnosed with Parvo when actually it is some thing else. Coccidia is a known culprit for sickness in pups. Especially if the pup came from a nasty kennel. This can easily be cured with antibiotics if caught early. Link below for info
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1622&aid=727
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1622&aid=727
Wow - a total of 5 negative votes on one.
Hell, let me add another negative to it and make it 6.
There, now I have 6 negative votes for telling the truth.
http://onceuponateapup.posterous.com/
The link above is for you as a buyer. The puppies in the pictures are already 2 to 3 pounds; maybe more. These puppies will average out to at the least 5 pounds (doubtful). More than likely these puppies will be 7 to 8 pounds. You can buy any of these breeds locally for a lot less money.
Check this out -
Geeze, just noticed that it has posterous.com at the end of the website name. Well at least there is one truth.
Hey Ms. Desired,
Here is some help for you:
http://onceuponateapup.posterous.com/
LeslieAnderson - At least you didn't pay those amounts. None of the puppies on the above site will be under 3 pounds. And at the above site is where the "Reputable Breeders" are - sure.
The puppies are already around 3 pounds in the pictures.
THERE ARE NO 1 AND 1/2 POUND MALTESE FULL GROWN.
LIARS.
There are NO 1 and 1/2 pound full grown Maltese
LIARS
