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In the 10/15/2011. Debbie shipped a face good looking breeder male adult cat to me. He very dirty, limps & face, chin & around eyes a lot deep stains. He very thin to skin & skeleton & only 4 pounds more. Least hair & hair off down. He doesn't like eat & drink. He smelled food & left. He not stopped free choked his mouth & swallow thing. Skin dry and a lot white cortex off, skin itch & problems. He continue doesn't like food and very sick. His gums & throat deep red & ulceration. His tongue cove the very thick & whit coating on the tongue. His eyes & nose always watering & sneezing & fever too. I bought him visit vets and got treatment & doesn't better. He got blood works of FIV/FELV & Calicivirus etc tested. His diseases is Feline Calicivirus caused. He have has Feline Calicivirus & different bacterias.
Already. Debbie more times ensure me, her cat is very health & never been sick. since her cat into my home doesn't like eat/drink. Day by day serious sick. I contacted her and follow the her learn more about 40 years cattery knowledge. I got cheat & lie. My money loss and I doesn't painful. The cat sick & his danger my all cats and My heart very deep painful & broken. I asking the God; Why? Why? Why? Who can tell me and helps me this very honest & kindness person. Why? I in the this world can't find a really honest/faithful & love cats friends? A lot bad breeders & cheat my money and give me problems cat. I spends a lot medical treatment fees and helps them to love pets homes is donations. I nothing one penny back. Some cats death. My heart hurt not recovery and new hurt again. I want ask you, went to the Church what for? How does the God teaching you?
I want to tell the world people. Who bought this cattery cat or kittens. Please do a blood works and test he/she about Feline Calicivirus. The Calicivirus is highly contagious diseases and none medicine treatable. If cats got Feline Calicivirus and can't breeding again. Please love and protecting our wonderful Persian's in the world. Don't be let those bad virus to corroding their health.
I love them all. They are my heart Angel's. Thanks God gave me. Below is 10/15/2011 his bath time pictures.
RE: Deebows Persians
http://www.deebows-persians.com. Sold a carry the Feline Calicivirus breeder cat to me.
Yes. I am English is POOR. But My conscience none POOR. I am not for money to cheat any one. You said, My cats got sick and I doesn't like spenda money to treatment them. How do you know? I want tell anynoe. Since I builded this cattery. I bpurchased any breeder kittens or cats the money and treatment fees all kept here. How much I spends? Please you come get sum up. Since I bought your cat. I think him is new cat and gave more care for and love and time to change him. Who knows he doesn't like eat/drink and day by day too sick. I doesn't treatment my cats. How does I know your cat have has FILINE CALICIVIRUS? Since 2009 Wintrer I builded cattery. Have has breeder kittens very sick and death. But I never been meet Calicivirus diseases. Your cat is first case.
I want the ture tolking. Below is I with your email.
----- Original Message -----
From: Angela
To: Deebows Persians
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Asking
What fine? He carry the Calicivirus to his life end. The calicivirus is untreatable bad virus and highly contagious diseases. Who told you have treatable? Which vet? Your cat is serious sick & signs out: Ulcers in the mouth deep top. Gingivitis( inflammation on the gums). Sneezing. water eyes. He doesn't like any food. He is very thin and only skin & skeleton
You always said he is stress. Stress can caused Ulcers and can cause cancer too. But your cat disease is Calicivirus caused. He got sick is long time and not one week or 2 weeks got. My all cats not sore mouth. Why only your cat have serious sick. Who got him?
You got my money and doesn't refund and I early know. I just think in the this world found a real love cat and helps my cattery friend. But I always wrong. You are really is love bills. You are eyes can't see any body & nothing feel. You played successful & you WON!
You shipped him came Boston, and not say he is health. Do you did blood works and test him? Where your report? You just gave him a rabies shot. He came my home very dirty, hair off & least hair. Whole hair tainted & skin cortex off. I if he health why I brought him saw vet? And not others.
Your falsehood.
The cat is my son. I love him so much. Caused he have has bad calicivirus & highly contagious diseases. I can't keep him breeder. I for him look for very love him home & his get keep treatment. He will live to his life end. I did my right way. I really believes the God and Angel's. They are known anything.
Final counsel you. Please test your all cats CALICIVIRUS. Then sale them.
Angela
----- Original Message -----
From: Deebows Persians
To: Angela
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Asking
Angela,
Don't you ever call me and start screaming at me ever again.
I did not send you a sick cat.
If you would stop a minute and think about it I would never had been able to get a health certificate on him for shipping if he was sick.
I have the test results from your vet. It says he has calicivirus. That is just what it means is a virus. You just have to let the virus run its course, they can give him antibiotics to relieve the symptoms. He could have picked that up anywhere, even at the airport. The stress from leaving here and going to you could have caused it too. That is not my fault.
Once you get it cleared up he will be fine.
Debbie
Deebows Persians
http://www.deebows-persians.com
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RE: Deebows Persians - Sold a carry the Feline Calicivirus breeder cat to me.
http://www.deebows-persians.com
I has been contact and called you before, and you doesn't want your cat back your home. You want me continue treatment him breeder breeder him too.
Yes. He went to the MSPCA Angell's. He live my home 4 weeks and contagious my some cats and maybe more. You know my cattery not cages cattery. I took the him and told the Government Dept. My cattery failed in your cat. I right now, understand why your cats so dirty? Because Calicivirus grooming contagious too. You said; my cats have health problems and doesn't treatment them. My cats have has outcall and incall for visit vets. They are went to different Animals hospital. My cats not only one vet for visit them.
What the autthrities told you: "there has been a big outbreak of the Calicivirus in her area.
in my area"? And which my vets told you: Your cat is health?
Cat got a common check is use eyes look and hands touched cat and can get a certificate for shipping. FIV/FELV & Calicivirus must blood works & got test. That is can prove your cat health. Please showing up your tested your cat result and insure your cat is health?
We need paper works and insure who cats is health and find out the problems. I do.
I doesn't scare your contract. I very scared bad feline viruses and damaged my cats. I will continue to find out. My cattery closed is protacte other health cats. I don't as like you to cheat/lie and make stories to spread fallacies to mislead people. I want the truth tell world people who is very UGLY FACE & to art a nice! Warning!
Anyone who knows Angela knows the efforts that she goes through daily to care for and to keep clean her home so her beautiful animals are healthy and in good spirits. A health certificate issued by a Vet only indicates that the animal is healthy to fly on a airline. So there is no upper respiratory illness or anything that could cause breathing problems. The health certificate does NOT in any way mean that a animal is free of a virus like the FelineCalciVirus. Angela has spent thousands of dollars to help the many animals that she has owned over the years. One aspect of this womans contract with Angela is that she is not allowed a refund if there is a problem. Its a poor contract and I hate to see anyone be a victim of this breeder. This breeder clearly gave this woman a sick cat and she need to check all her animals and anyone who has bought a cat from her to check them.
It does not bother me that you have put my emails out on the internet, because I have nothing to hide.
I am going by what all of the authorities and your vet have told me about you and your cats.
They have also told me how you have surrendered cats to a shelter instead of treating them.
I also know that you surrender the cat I sold you to a shelter. Do you know where he is now? I DO. You also went against my contract, it states that you are not to surrender to any shelter.
You wouldn't have all of the problems that you have had in the past if you would just listen to your vets.
This cat was very healthy when he left here. He had to be shipped so he did have a vet check and health certificate. Both say he was healthy.
I have been in contact with her vet and also the Dept. of Agriculture. They have assured me that he did not come to her with the Calici virus. She has allot of cats and she has had allot of health issues with her cats. If I had known this ahead of time I would never have sold her one of mine. These people are trying to work with her on this problem.
She doesn’t like to get the cat’s medical attention when they need it. She will not pay money to get them well. I was also told from these people that she has surrendered many cats to a shelter because she will not pay to treat them.
She says my cat was very dirty and had hair loss. That is not true; she told me he was dunking his face in the water dish and getting very dirty. As for the hair loss, I did tell her that he was shaved down and I had also sent her pictures of him shaved. She told me that was OK with her.
The authorities have also told me that there has been a big outbreak of the Calici virus in her area.
This woman also does not abide by the contract that she has signed.
Let this be a warning to all breeders out there that have sold Ping Wong (Angela) of Shiningcats cattery one of your cats. She may not even have them anymore.
This is a warning to other breeders DO NOT sell your cats to her if you want them to have a loving home with someone that will take good care of them.
Also to the person that has replied to this about how good the cat looks. That is a video of him when she got him when he was supposed to be sooo sick.
If you are a person that has sold her a cat and has had a problem please contact me and I will give you the name and number of the person that is handling this at the Dept. of Agriculture.
Debbie
The person who writes this is trying to explain even though the English grammar is not good, so I assume that English is not her first language. So with this being said from what I can see that this person bought a cat from a breeder who claimed that they have a good operation and sell healthy good animals.
Now this woman buys a cat from this breeder and this is from her web site,
My name is Debbie and I am proudly owned by my Persians. I received my first Persian in 1972 and have been in love ever since. They are my hobby and passion. Most of my time is spent with my cats, it takes a huge amount of great love for the cats and kittens. I just couldn't stay away from my cats, no matter what I did I kept going back to groom them, play with them or just to give them lovin's, so that is when I decided to turn my hobby into something more, then became Deebows Persians a CFA reg cattery. And the rest, as they say is history! I am a small in-home cattery living in central Minnesota. My kittens are raised around the hussle of everyday life. My goal is to better the Persian breed, producing beautiful examples with each litter that is brought into the world (and, as always, into my heart!) I pride myself on honesty, integrity and a love for cats.
Now this woman has a cat sent to her that is under weight, and filthy from the stains in the picture and she shows that when she bathed the cat there were patches of hair missing and if anyone knows anything about cats, areas of cats missing hair means a skin problem and could have other issues as well. This owner also claims the animal will not eat and was diagnosed with a serious health problem. I have owned purebred cats and know what can happen when they become sick. But to receive a animal who is not healthy and to have to deal with multi trips to the vets and medicines we all know that they are not cheap. If this breeder had any ethics then they should refund her money but I assume that they may have had a bad sales contract with a condition of no refunds. Any breeder that sells and ships animals that are not healthy should be shut down. There are many bad and crooked ones and many good ones as well but some pretty pictures and promises mean nothing. This woman was taken that is clear. I hope no other person will waste time money and their hearts on animals that not in good shape. Below is a description of the illness but knowing animals once infected they could have compromised immune systems and many other health issues that show up after they become a member of the family and decisions that need to be made are so much harder to make and more pain for the heart. Find a good breeder and have beautiful pets to love. I hope my understanding of what was written is clear to everyone.
Thank you
Meaning of the illness
GENERAL DESCRIPTION
Feline calicivirus is one of many upper respiratory infections your cat or kitten may likely experience. Upper respiratory infections are the most common infectious diseases in cats and are easily spread in multi-cat environments. While they rarely cause death in adult cats, they often cause serious illness and death in young kittens. This disease can not be transmitted from cats to humans.
SOURCE & CAUSE(S)
The majority of feline upper respiratory infections are caused by one of two viruses, herpesvirus or calicivirus. Cats may be infected with one or both of these viruses, as long as other bacterial and secondary infections, causing a "feline respiratory disease complex".
Calicivirus is typically transmitted by direct contact with infected eye, mouth, or nose discharge. Infected dishes, carriers, bedding, litter boxes, and human hands in multi-cat environments such as kennels and shelters may also be a route of infection.
This disease typically lasts 1-2 weeks, but cats typically become lifetime chronic carriers that shed virus and display mild symptoms under stress.
A new form of the feline calicivirus known as virulent systemic feline calicivirus (VS-FCV) has been recognized that causes particularly severe systemic symptoms. This virus can be spread in more ways and more readily than the chronic or acute form of calicivirus. It causes significant organ damage, high fever, swelling of the face and limbs, and ulceration and hair loss on the ears, face, and feet along with other respiratory signs. The severity of this virulent systemic form is thought to be caused by a secondary immune response. Fatality from VS-FCV is higher in adults than in kittens.
SIGNS & SYMPTOMS
Discharge from eyes, nose, or mouth
Labored breathing
Fever
Ulcers in the mouth
Limping
Lethargy
Anorexia
DIAGNOSIS & TESTS
Diagnosis always begins with a complete history and a physical exam. Your veterinarian will be most likely to recommend some variation of the following:
Physical Exam/History - Your veterinarian may diagnose this disease based on the signs and symptoms your cat is displaying. It may be more economical to perform in-house tests for diseases with similar symptoms to rule them out instead of sending samples to a lab.
Immunofluorescence - This is a technique used to illuminate either viruses or their antibodies in a tissue or culture using a fluorescent dye. Proteins labeled with a chemical specific to this disease will be used to detect the antibodies. They will appear under a microscope as a bright green spot on the slide.
Qualitative PCR Test - This "polymerase chain reaction" test is a very specific and sensitive DNA test that can be used to look for an agent in an animal’s DNA. Your veterinarian will obtain a swab of your cat’s throat and send it to a lab to test for the virus. This test may also be used to see if your cat has the chronic form of calicivirus and is shedding the virus after the symptoms have gone away.
Radiographs - this may show inflammation or infection in the lungs of your cat
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