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Watermark Community Church Dallas Pastor Todd Wagner in Question / Dialogue and questions concerning todd wagner and watermark community church

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Is this really a biblical church? Who believes that Watermark is truly a New Testament fellowship other than indoctrinated seminarians and the biblically illiterate?

Is all remarriage sin as they teach?

Does Watermark's leadership truly hold God's Word final authority or is there a mixture?

Is "eternal security" no matter what biblical as they teach? I mean if someone gets saved and then falls away and dies in sin, will they still go to Heaven?

Todd Wagner is a cloaked Calvinist which is a system of theology he learned at DTS and is not at all biblical. Why does he hide this? Why does he espouse these 5 points, all heretical and subtly teach them?

Why doesn't Watermark use the King James Bible? Why do they use the corrupt NASB version?

Why is there so little genuine New Testament fellowship among those who attend Watermark?

At Watermark, is there an over emphasis placed on church membership?

It's a known fact that many who are members at Watermark are not born again.

Is this a country club or a true New Testament gathering to worship Christ?

Is their vain attempt to put people together and then call it biblical community a testimony of their fleshly motives and endeavors? Is it merely a fabricated "fellowship"? Is it producing the fruit of true Christian fellowship or is it merely for the self-serving purposes of the leadership?

Why is so much emphasis placed on church membership?

Why are people who don't choose to become members shut out of activities?

Are individual members truly learning God's Word for themselves?

Why are those who attend Watermark for years still scripturally illiterate?

When have you ever met a so-called member of Watermark who is actually soul winning, that is, doing the great commission?

What kind of fruit is Watermark producing?

Is Watermark a corporate "church" set up for the benefit of its leaders?

Some have related that the fruit of this seems to be the coldness, the lack of authentic Christian love produced by the Holy Spirit.

Is the leadership at Watermark controlling as some have stated?

Why are millions of dollars spent on the head pastor and real estate, including extra campuses?

Has Watermark truly been set up to further the true Gospel of Jesus Christ or make a name and build a legacy for Todd Wagner?

Is Todd Wagner a millionaire? If so, does that reflect Christ and His apostles? (no)

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Apr 25, 2017
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  • Go
      25th of Apr, 2017
    0 Votes

    Well, there is some good at WM and yet, these questions seem valid. I've attended there for a while and have not felt true Christian love and church membership is not biblical and not according to kingdom truth. We see no such push among the earliest believers. Case closed. The problem is that men cannot produce this true Christian fellowship. All we can do is obey God and truly get into the Holy Spirit and Word and obey God, beginning in prayer. Only Jesus can build His church, right? "upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matt. 16:18 

  • Pd
      25th of Apr, 2017
    -1 Votes

    Thanks. I hope we can have a loving discussion. We all have much to learn, including those who lead. Many times the Bible warns us of false leaders who wear sheep's clothing (Matt. 7:15). I do agree that the King James Bible is the true Word of God. The NASB (New American Standard) is definitely a corruption. DTS has misled so many of its students (who are now pastors) to believe the NASB is "the most accurate". Sorry but that is a crazy lie. After looking at the links below there will be no doubt that the NASB is of the enemy. Scary.

    Dr. Frank Logsdon denounced his involvement. Here are a few verses compared and a short video clip of Dr. Logsdon:
    http://www.websiteforgod.net/Blog/Entries/2012/3/18_NASB_Exposed..html

    NASB EXPOSED: ouch this one is strong http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NASV/new_american_standard_version_exposed.htm

  • Ju
      20th of Sep, 2017
    +3 Votes

    @Pdan10 So the translation that is based on more recent manuscripts rather than the oldest manuscripts that have been found is more accurate? How does that work? What makes the KJV the true word of God as opposed to the modern translations that rely on these older manuscripts? Are the oldest manuscripts that date more closely to the time of Christ less accurate than the ones that were available to the KJV translators? Why is the KJV more accurate than Tyndale's English translation that predated the KJV? Or you could go with Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Or you could just learn ancient Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew and just skip the translations altogether.

  • Tr
      12th of Feb, 2018
    0 Votes

    @JustADude Ah, I think you need to do some homework. The Nasb is missing a whole lot of words because it was taken from corrupt manuscripts.

    https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NASV/new_american_standard_version_exposed.htm

  • La
      10th of Mar, 2018
    0 Votes

    @JustADude I totally agree with you! I think the man: Truthseeker 1087- needs to learn NT GREEK, Aramaic, and HEBREW!!

  • Jd
      27th of Apr, 2017
    0 Votes

    Depending on the Holy Spirit is essential to the Christian life. WM seems to try to take the place of the Holy Spirit. As you look at how they've structured things, this seems obvious. Todd Wagner went to Dallas Theology Seminary and so, instead of following the Word of God, he denies the need for NT believers to be filled with the Spirit as they were at Pentecost. Sad.

  • La
      10th of Mar, 2018
    0 Votes

    @Jdawg1001 Are you sure he went to DTS? I couldn’t find anything on him.

  • Sw
      28th of Apr, 2017
    0 Votes

    Can't put my finger on it but there are definitely some things that are not right at watermark.

  • Bi
      5th of May, 2017
    0 Votes

    Wow, I just looked at Todd Wagner's calvinism video on youtube. He is not a "cloaked calvinist" but rather a full blown false teacher of calvinism which is heretical. Todd needs to repent. Read this. It's shocking. You will have no questions as to the origins of calvinism when you read this and you will know that Todd Wagner is a false teacher: http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm

  • La
      10th of Mar, 2018
    0 Votes

    @Bibletruth44 Thanks, I’ll look into it.

  • Tr
      5th of May, 2017
    -1 Votes

    I was just alerted to this same video by Wagner. Disturbing. Any person believing or teaching the doctrines of Calvinism is a heretic, period. This means whether they do so in a deceitful manner or blatant manner. The Bible came before Augustine a gnostic catholic from which Calvin admitted getting his doctrines.

  • Tr
      5th of May, 2017
    0 Votes

    This one: http://www.biblelife.org/calvinism.htm

  • Go
      5th of May, 2017
    0 Votes

    I think the video the previous poster is referring to is on youtube and it can be found by searching "Real Truth Real quick calvinism"

  • Yh
      18th of May, 2017
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    At Watermark, there seems to be the idea that they determine what is true or false, instead of honestly allowing God's Word to be the final authority. There is no accountability to the body of Christ at large. It's more of an alignment with those who are departed from the faith with their calvinism and other organizations of men. There is no openness to be corrected. After all, they have a large membership base, so why should they be accountable? It's like a machine. The money is coming in and so they must be of God, right? Wrong. Some of the richest cults in the world are not of God. Having a lot of money to throw around probably means a church organization is false, not true.

  • Ha
      24th of May, 2017
    -1 Votes

    We've found that the vast majority of people attending WM are just in it for the social aspects of it and not truly becoming a real follower of Jesus. It's like a club pretty much. It's a lukewarm, DTS type social "church". It's true that no one at Watermark is actually preaching God's Word in their daily walk. Those who run it are basically marketers like Aaron in Deut. 32 who gave the people what they wanted. They won't have a Moses in that congregation because the leadership is in rebellion and doing things their own way, not God's.

  • Te
      30th of May, 2017
    -1 Votes

    The emphasis at watermark is to become a member of watermark, not Christ's family. It's lame and their whole push is to get more members to THEIR church. Most of those who attend watermark couldn't hold a five minute conversation about Jesus Christ. The people who aren't members of watermark are excluded from activities. The leadership has what sounds like good reasons for this but it's still just not right. Knowing Jesus is not emphasized or being a member of His body but rather being a member of watermark is what is greatly emphasized.

  • Co
      5th of Jun, 2017
    +1 Votes

    Notice that the leadership at Watermark thought highly enough of THEMSELVES to pay good money to get their logo and contact information at the top of this post. This self serving spirit is exactly what is being exposed here by these posts. They won't support other ministries or really help the people sitting right there on Sunday mornings but they sure do help themselves well. Todd Wagner loses no sleep because there are needs right under his nose and yet he's a millionaire from building this church business. SMH This church is all about getting people to join it, not Jesus. There is no such thing as church membership in the New Testament, not matter how hard they try to convince you of this. Show one Scripture that says people were even asked to become a member of any certain local church. None. Time to really repent.

  • St
      20th of Jun, 2017
    0 Votes

    I am always amazed at a minister who helps himself to millions of dollars while other ministries and ministers starve. Being wealthy in this world is not like Christ or His apostles at all. They chose to divest themselves. Paul said he was "poor yet making many rich." 2 Cor. 6:10 Pray for Todd Wagner to repent. When he does, he will liquidate and give to the poor and cease elevating himself in this world.

  • Da
      4th of Jul, 2017
    -1 Votes

    The fruit to look for is whether true followers of Jesus are being produced. From what I've seen, Watermark is pretty shallow with good music to romance it all. Don't need to be rude but this is not real Bible Christianity. All the programs and small groups are a fleshly attempt to bring about what only the Holy Spirit can produce. But WM is a DTS church that denies the Pentecostal New Testament experience and teaches the heresy of eternal security. So naturally there is no fear of God or true disciples.

  • An
      24th of Jul, 2017
    +1 Votes

    I agree that this stuff should be questioned and that Todd Wagner owes and explanation as to why he is garnering such wealth in this world. This is completely opposite of Christ and His apostles. Unfortunately, it's a lucrative business he has going.

  • Pa
      31st of Jul, 2017
    -1 Votes

    Watermark is nothing but a game. the leadership is in rebellion against God. There is no true authentic humility and brokenness. If there were, they'd be following the Biblical, New Testament model. Watermark is a bunch of shallow, Dallas Theologically degreed seminarians who only think out of a narrow rigid perspective from the commentaries they learned from at DTS. They don't have a kingdom perspective. They deny the need to be full of the Holy Spirit, the cross, and the Bible as the only rule of divine authority and truth. While claiming to be biblical, they certainly are not but most people don't know that because most people do not study God's Word for themselves.

  • Dm
      31st of Jul, 2017
    -1 Votes

    Good input here, I agree with most of it. These are valid questions which Todd and WM owe answers to. And yes, DTS graduates selectively pick and choose what scriptures they are going to follow according to their own narrow scope taught them in seminary. They read the Bible with rose colored glasses. It's a scam but as some have already stated, the vast majority of people who attend these seeker sensitive type churches like watermark don't have their own life in God's Word and so are living blind and just go along with the fun and games of the entertainment on Sun. mornings

  • Co
      16th of Aug, 2017
    0 Votes

    It is very true that Watermark is more interested in increasing church members than they are leading people to repentance and saving faith in Christ. My husband I attended there for a while and were constantly bombarded with pleas to join their church. Yet no one even knew if we were truly saved or not. Also, the people we talked to there, those who were members, we are not even sure they knew what born again meant. Watermark is a seeker sensitive church, not a congregation of truth seekers who are wanting to lay down their lives to truly follow Jesus. The leadership has designed it that way because they are building their own gig, empire.

  • Df
      27th of Aug, 2017
    -1 Votes

    Todd Wagner has the false idea that he can coerce individuals into "commitment" to Christ and often and wrongly blends commitment to Christ with church membership which is something no where found in Scripture. They grossly overuse and misuse the word "commitment."

    Instead of just getting people into God's word for themselves, Watermark has created all kinds of other extra-biblical literature and things for their members to adhere to. Yet they claim to be a Bible church but in practice have all kinds of extra biblical stuff like this and the false doctrines of calvinism. Wagner would be called by some a neo-calvinist. But he is definitely a calvinist. I would warn anyone to stay clear of any calvinist. They are false believers and false teachers. Being a faithful attendee to watermark is taught as if it is equivalent to being in Christ, knowing Christ, and following Jesus. That is cultic. It's very subtle to most but once you start seeing it, then your eyes will be opened. They are leadership intensive like cults. Very plastic. Though they swear by calvinism's so called "doctrines of grace", there is little grace shown. Todd Wagner attempts to manufacture the fruit of the Holy Spirit which would otherwise be born in those who are truly becoming more rooted in Christ. So, it's just fake and fabricated. Read the graphic on the link before of Watermark's legally binding membership contract and you will see. Wagner seems to convey that he can make up all his own rules and regulations. Though claiming too be a Bible church, Watermark is not. this would help us to conclude that those who attend their, namely their "members", are not in God's Word for themselves as the Bible instructs us (2 Tim. 2:15).

    Here's something else I found on watermark church:
    " For Watermark members who will read be reading this, here is a link to a number of posts we have written on the legal ramifications of church covenants. In case you don't think it would even happen at your church, remember the Karen HInkley/Village Church scandal story that happened down the road from you a couple of years back. Ask your pastor why you are safe from such shenanigans. Also, ask the staff why you were not told that this is a legal contract before you signed it. We recommend that no one sign such agreements without first consulting an attorney. Better yet, we recommend that you never sign it. "
    http://thewartburgwatch.com/2017/08/04/todd-wagner-watermark-church-seems-to-show-a-lack-of-empathy-for-moms-who-work-outside-the-home/

  • To
      4th of Sep, 2017
    +3 Votes

    After reading these questions, I am finding 4 main threads. (1) There are some honest inquiries asked with sincere hearts, (2) I see many unfounded statements and false accusations regarding what the church actually teaches, One of the ten commandments is to not testify falsely (falsely accuse). That makes some of these questions detestable to God in and of themselves. (3) I also find a lack of love and honesty in them.As for the lack of love... 'nuff said. and (4) I see some that condemn their teachings as heresy simply because they do not line up with your legalistic understanding of some open-handed discussions. Its time for some people to learn to distinguish between actual wolves and sheep of different colors. After all, "Even if I have ALL knowledge and understand every mystery, but have not love, I AM NOTHING. (1 Cor. 13:2)

  • Io
      12th of Feb, 2018
    0 Votes

    @toonups "Falsely accuse"? Well, you offered no defense to what was stated. Most of it seems pretty self evident, don't you think? Have you bee to WM? If so, I think you may wish to consider being honest about this. Todd Wagner is building a business and is a millionaire. They definitely over emphasize membership and mistreat those who aren't members there. Also, we've attended there for years and it's true that so many we met did not know Christ but were members there, etc.

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