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Triumph Recovery And Church By Robert Flores review: Another scam by robert Flores Not a Triumph 86

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New name, it scams.
I want to thank all of you for supporting me and being there during the rough times. I was in the hospital as some of you knew and thank you for all of the get well cards and support. Apparently while I was in the hospital I received new information from you all about Robert Flores and his newest scams. I was receiving messages from the screen name tracker20 he claimed to be a boyfriend of some women that was in Robert’s rehab program and asked me for help. I knew it was Robert and went along with it a bit, and then just got fed up. Well tracker20 is someone hired by Robert to track my email, which is j.[protected]@gmail.com for reasons unknown. I believe it is because Robert knows the truth is coming to light and it is making him nervous. Even if he found out where I lived and anything else about me, it would not affect me in any way I am doing nothing that is illegal if anyone is breaking the law its Mr. Flores. I am exercising my freedom of speech, I have not threatened Mr. Flores all I am trying to accomplish is getting people to see the real Robert Flores, that my friend is not illegal. This may be why he changed the names of his programs so we must be doing something right his false teen challenge site was shut down after I spoke with the real teen challenge who then contacted Mr. Flores and well end result the site was shut down. This was a positive but my supporters and followers have recently informed me that Robert is running the same scams just under new names. Tracker20 who Robert or one of his sheep were posing as claimed Robert opened a women’s’ rehab which I did not believe but I have been informed he has. Robert also began a new church I am unsure if it is his church or if he is just a pastor. The site says that it was created by Robert Flores so he created the site and his picture is included on the site as well. Robert has opened a women’s’ center in Lawrenceburg while his men’s’ center apparently remains in Columbia. I have gotten messages asking how he is doing all of this and why he is not caught. Well everyone I am sorry to say that it takes time for bad people to get caught like in my example of Robert and Tammy Fay Baker they had a huge following and traveled all over the world making millions and they did it for a while. It took much time but eventually they were caught. I request all of you to watch American Greed it is a television program about people that run scams and some of them are religious scams like Robert’s. In the con world Robert is small time believe it or not, seeing that he does not own anything and has to rent goes to show how small time he really is. The fact that he moves around in the same area as much he has shows his criminal ways but what he does is rents building or talks people into putting things in their names so there is no connection to him. Robert is not really stupid he is smart when it comes to being a criminal but very dumb when it comes to academics and business sense. He has no idea what he is doing and it really shows. What he does to make himself look or seem intelligent is that Robert surrounds himself with people that are not that educated like his wife. She may be nice or seem nice but lets face it she is not the brightest crayon in the box. When Robert encounters someone that does have intelligence he shuts down it is one of his weaknesses. If you go around calling yourself a doctor you better be able to back it up and show your doctor status. To someone that never graduated from high school Robert may seem smart to him or her but someone that has some education can see right through him. People like me and my followers who have seen all the evidence and helped me with the research on Mr. Flores can all see and realize Robert is really full of it. In the beginning it makes you laugh to see someone so stupid con so many people. But in all it is a sad situation especially for me and others that have lost family members to addiction. Many of you know my story that I lost my one and only child to addiction my son was a drug user and I did not see the signs. Since then I try my best to help families that have been victims of addiction. That is how I came in contact with Mr. Flores I was looking for a small rehab that was faith based and that was in need of funds to do God’s work. Well I accidentally contacted the wrong Teen Challenge looking for Mr. Flores and they told me there was no teen challenges in Columbia Tennessee nor was there a program leader named Robert Flores. I told them about his website and that is when I realized I have been conned. The research on Mr. Flores then began and that is how I found out that he is a liar and that he is just using others weaknesses for his benefit. I posted questions about Mr. Flores to some of the names that came up during my search some replied back to me and some did not. I heard very few positives on Mr. Flores and was taken back by what kind of person he really is. He tells people that know him “I can con anyone and I’m good at being a con”. Which is partly true. There are many that have caught onto him and know who he really is. One person that knows him was one of his children, which I met through a social networking site. I promised them I would not reveal their identity so I will respect their request. It was heartbreaking what they had to say. They said to Robert and people that know him his real children don’t exists they said he has a new family now and he will not claim them. They said he would not even be paying his child support if it weren’t for the fact that he was arrested about four years ago and put in jail for failure to pay his child support. This was all after Robert claimed to be living a clean sober Godly life, so that goes to show he is a liar. They said if Robert did not go to jail he would not be paying his child support. Even though he is paying the support he won’t see his children they said they rarely see him and that he does not call and that they needed him during their teen years. Children need their fathers and the fact that Robert stands in front of the congregation and preaches about living a pure Godly life all while he is not. I am sorry to say that fatherhood is more that writing a check and even if your wife doesn’t want you to see your children you need to do what is right. Children don’t ask to be born they don’t have the same choice you had of whether or not to make a child. If that is not bad enough he apparently adopted a child about five years ago, and treats her great and is a father to her. His child then said that I see Robert with his family in their nice houses and having nice things while going on many family vacations, and ask myself why am I not good enough to have that life too. That is heartbreaking he claims to be this great person when actually he is a coward that can’t take care of his own children.
That is how I found out about Robert Flores so tracker20 bring it on come find me I have not done nothing wrong. It seems like Robert is desperate to stop me telling the truth but I won’t be stopped until Robert tells the truth. He can be forgiven and live the way he claims he is living, but it will never happen unless he tells the truth. Back to his newest scams. I am posting all links to his new sites as well as contact information for anyone that wishes to contact Mr. Flores. I am hoping that Clark Kent will give me more information. He wants to but he says he is scared of Robert. Apparently Robert uses the men from his rehab to not only do work for him while Robert collects their pay, but will also use them as intimidations he will send them to threaten people. Clark seems to be a good 25 year old that just got caught up with the wrong person while trying to accomplish his dreams. I appreciate everyone who has helped me I know my son is looking down on me from heaven with a smile on his face. He knows his dad is someone with determination and will do what he has to. I care that is why I am telling the truth about Robert I am not getting anything from doing this, I am not benefiting or getting paid. Robert has not done anything personally to me so I am not getting revenge I just want the truth about him out there whether or not others want to believe it, at least I did what I could.
Here is the newest information on Robert Flores.
I did say I was done with Robert but that was before he hired someone to track me and before I spoke to one of his children. I am the voice of that child that Robert has hurt and continues to hurt.

Website and contact information of his church Triumph church

825 9th Street
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: [protected]@triumphchurch.biz

The picture of him in the hat is from the site above, this is according to a person that knows him, Robert Flores. They sent the pic to me but I was having trouble opening it so they said I could go to the above site and get it there.

Robert’s new women’s’ rehab center Triumph Recovery Center contact information and website
The picture of the house with the red car in the vehicle I assume is the center.

Address:
519 N. Military
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax:
Email: [protected]@triumphrecovery.com
Website: http://triumphrecovery.com/

This last site was also on the women’s’ rehab site that apparently is in California. How I have no idea. It is supposedly a faith base organization called life challenge, which Robert claims to have changed his program name from teen challenge to life challenge, which is also the name on his My Space page. Robert Flores designed the site so it has to be linked to him. It seems to be some school but I am unsure why it is located in California. I know he has or had a men’s’ rehab in Columbia called team challenge which was also a school and rehab. It just shows all of his inconsistencies, which also mean lies.
Here is the welcome statement:

Welcome!
Our parish site exists to meet the needs of its members, and to help those members in times of hardship. We worship together as a community of believers. We support one another’s values and beliefs. We nurture the faith of our members in a variety of ways, including adult education programs, a parish grammar school, and guided education for school students.

Contact us:
3375 Edison Way
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: http://www.lifechallenge.biz/aboutus.html

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Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 4:13 pm EDT

Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216

http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331

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Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 4:14 pm EDT

Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216

http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331

/URL removed/

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 4:14 pm EDT

Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.

http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216

http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331

/URL removed/

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:42 pm EDT

That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.

1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)

2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)

3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)

4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)

5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)

6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.

7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)

8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)

9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)

10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)

11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.

12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)

13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.

14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:43 pm EDT

That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.

1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)

2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)

3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)

4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)

5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)

6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.

7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)

8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)

9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)

10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)

11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.

12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)

13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.

14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:45 pm EDT

That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.

1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)

2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)

3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)

4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)

5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)

6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.

7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)

8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)

9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)

10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)

11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.

12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)

13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.

14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:55 pm EDT

Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.

The Psychopath next door

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.

http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:56 pm EDT

Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.

The Psychopath next door

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.

http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 12, 2010 7:57 pm EDT

Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.

The Psychopath next door

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.

http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.

Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 13, 2010 1:08 pm EDT

Steve you and anyone else are entitled to Speak your mind and defend your friend. My friends can support me and that is all it is support. I am in pain since I lost my son to addiction. Conning does not only involve money conning involves lies and pretending to be something you are not. But you and anyone else are welcome on this site and any other site. Freedom of speech was meant fir all Americans. I can understand how Robert has you and others believing he is a good godly person. I am on no witch hunt nor am I in a cult I am just a man standing up and speaking out. Thank you for your prayers.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 13, 2010 5:56 pm EDT

I am not tring to appear proffessional what are you talking about? This is just one in a billion websites. And if Robert is not going to stop doing his supposing gods work than this blog won't stop him like you said. None is looking to be proffessional and if I didn't just get out of the hospital I would love to visit his now look this is how you spell facilities and give my this is how you spell testimony. You must be Robert cause you spelled testimony like testimoney see money is always on hos mind, so there are misspelled words it's a blog not a book report. I would love to be proven wrong but all the information that was given to me by people that know him personally, the real Robert can't all be wrong. Your stories about him change and theirs are consistent. Some have known and lived with him. Relax Robert it's just a blog you'll get the se amount of "donation" . And granny444 said he and other criminals may have secret accounts she never said Robert has secret accounts for sure. I hope and pray to god I'm wrong but I'm afraid I'm not. I'm done going back and forth with you I said what I needed to. This could have been over and you know that Robert but you had to become tracker20 and try to track me. Well you have my attention.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 13, 2010 6:21 pm EDT

I'm sure the pastor read it seeing that he wrote it or is over your shoulder telling you what to write. The only thing said about his wife was that she is one of his victims and you want me to stop fine. I don't have any more to say it's all been said but someone that is recently close to Robert knows I'm not lying. You all can live with yourselves. Everyone it's called off there is no reason to continue your right we can't judge you but you know who can and it's not going to be pretty. They have your reservation there is a room reserved for you. You'll be amongst celebrities which is something I'm sure you will enjoy. Let's see your room will be right between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. I'm sure you all will get along nicely. Cause I'm done if no one can admit the truth your right I am wasting my time because this Robert is much more evil than I thought. Write what you want and make all the crazy claims about Robert being this wonderful man. I'm not buying it. Nor will I come back and read all of your defensive lies. I can't change the world or make people like Robert stop hurting people I don't know what made me think I could. When I lost my son my life ended right there and I thought if I could donate to all these charities that help children with addictions especially faith based treatment, that I was going to feel alive again and that my life would have a purpose again. Who was I kidding I have cancer so I just wanted to leave my mark and help others so they don't have to suffer like I have. The world is a cold place and it makes me feel much better about knowing I'm going to die very soon. I'm not afaird any more. I am afraid of what the world has become and the lack of compassion and realness in society today. I won't waste my last months on earth fighting with Robert Flores or anyone else I'm going to continue working for my son and doing all I can to help children overcome addiction. You did help me see that Steve or whoever you are I can use my pain and experience to help others and that's what I will continue to do I should never have stopped to mess with this horrible person who doesn't care at all. I'm done I'm not coming back to this site anymore I realize that cons are just that good, they can put people under their spell and they'll believe anything. I hope you are all happy.

Update by conseeker2
Jun 11, 2010 10:10 pm EDT

New name, it scams.
I want to thank all of you for supporting me and being there during the rough times. I was in the hospital as some of you knew and thank you for all of the get well cards and support. Apparently while I was in the hospital I received new information from you all about Robert Flores and his newest scams. I was receiving messages from the screen name tracker20 he claimed to be a boyfriend of some women that was in Robert’s rehab program and asked me for help. I knew it was Robert and went along with it a bit, and then just got fed up. Well tracker20 is someone hired by Robert to track my email, which is j.cooperfu@gmail.com for reasons unknown. I believe it is because Robert knows the truth is coming to light and it is making him nervous. Even if he found out where I lived and anything else about me, it would not affect me in any way I am doing nothing that is illegal if anyone is breaking the law its Mr. Flores. I am exercising my freedom of speech, I have not threatened Mr. Flores all I am trying to accomplish is getting people to see the real Robert Flores, that my friend is not illegal. This may be why he changed the names of his programs so we must be doing something right his false teen challenge site was shut down after I spoke with the real teen challenge who then contacted Mr. Flores and well end result the site was shut down. This was a positive but my supporters and followers have recently informed me that Robert is running the same scams just under new names. Tracker20 who Robert or one of his sheep were posing as claimed Robert opened a women’s’ rehab which I did not believe but I have been informed he has. Robert also began a new church I am unsure if it is his church or if he is just a pastor. The site says that it was created by Robert Flores so he created the site and his picture is included on the site as well. Robert has opened a women’s’ center in Lawrenceburg while his men’s’ center apparently remains in Columbia. I have gotten messages asking how he is doing all of this and why he is not caught. Well everyone I am sorry to say that it takes time for bad people to get caught like in my example of Robert and Tammy Fay Baker they had a huge following and traveled all over the world making millions and they did it for a while. It took much time but eventually they were caught. I request all of you to watch American Greed it is a television program about people that run scams and some of them are religious scams like Robert’s. In the con world Robert is small time believe it or not, seeing that he does not own anything and has to rent goes to show how small time he really is. The fact that he moves around in the same area as much he has shows his criminal ways but what he does is rents building or talks people into putting things in their names so there is no connection to him. Robert is not really stupid he is smart when it comes to being a criminal but very dumb when it comes to academics and business sense. He has no idea what he is doing and it really shows. What he does to make himself look or seem intelligent is that Robert surrounds himself with people that are not that educated like his wife. She may be nice or seem nice but lets face it she is not the brightest crayon in the box. When Robert encounters someone that does have intelligence he shuts down it is one of his weaknesses. If you go around calling yourself a doctor you better be able to back it up and show your doctor status. To someone that never graduated from high school Robert may seem smart to him or her but someone that has some education can see right through him. People like me and my followers who have seen all the evidence and helped me with the research on Mr. Flores can all see and realize Robert is really full of it. In the beginning it makes you laugh to see someone so stupid con so many people. But in all it is a sad situation especially for me and others that have lost family members to addiction. Many of you know my story that I lost my one and only child to addiction my son was a drug user and I did not see the signs. Since then I try my best to help families that have been victims of addiction. That is how I came in contact with Mr. Flores I was looking for a small rehab that was faith based and that was in need of funds to do God’s work. Well I accidentally contacted the wrong Teen Challenge looking for Mr. Flores and they told me there was no teen challenges in Columbia Tennessee nor was there a program leader named Robert Flores. I told them about his website and that is when I realized I have been conned. The research on Mr. Flores then began and that is how I found out that he is a liar and that he is just using others weaknesses for his benefit. I posted questions about Mr. Flores to some of the names that came up during my search some replied back to me and some did not. I heard very few positives on Mr. Flores and was taken back by what kind of person he really is. He tells people that know him “I can con anyone and I’m good at being a con”. Which is partly true. There are many that have caught onto him and know who he really is. One person that knows him was one of his children, which I met through a social networking site. I promised them I would not reveal their identity so I will respect their request. It was heartbreaking what they had to say. They said to Robert and people that know him his real children don’t exists they said he has a new family now and he will not claim them. They said he would not even be paying his child support if it weren’t for the fact that he was arrested about four years ago and put in jail for failure to pay his child support. This was all after Robert claimed to be living a clean sober Godly life, so that goes to show he is a liar. They said if Robert did not go to jail he would not be paying his child support. Even though he is paying the support he won’t see his children they said they rarely see him and that he does not call and that they needed him during their teen years. Children need their fathers and the fact that Robert stands in front of the congregation and preaches about living a pure Godly life all while he is not. I am sorry to say that fatherhood is more that writing a check and even if your wife doesn’t want you to see your children you need to do what is right. Children don’t ask to be born they don’t have the same choice you had of whether or not to make a child. If that is not bad enough he apparently adopted a child about five years ago, and treats her great and is a father to her. His child then said that I see Robert with his family in their nice houses and having nice things while going on many family vacations, and ask myself why am I not good enough to have that life too. That is heartbreaking he claims to be this great person when actually he is a coward that can’t take care of his own children.
That is how I found out about Robert Flores so tracker20 bring it on come find me I have not done nothing wrong. It seems like Robert is desperate to stop me telling the truth but I won’t be stopped until Robert tells the truth. He can be forgiven and live the way he claims he is living, but it will never happen unless he tells the truth. Back to his newest scams. I am posting all links to his new sites as well as contact information for anyone that wishes to contact Mr. Flores. I am hoping that Clark Kent will give me more information. He wants to but he says he is scared of Robert. Apparently Robert uses the men from his rehab to not only do work for him while Robert collects their pay, but will also use them as intimidations he will send them to threaten people. Clark seems to be a good 25 year old that just got caught up with the wrong person while trying to accomplish his dreams. I appreciate everyone who has helped me I know my son is looking down on me from heaven with a smile on his face. He knows his dad is someone with determination and will do what he has to. I care that is why I am telling the truth about Robert I am not getting anything from doing this, I am not benefiting or getting paid. Robert has not done anything personally to me so I am not getting revenge I just want the truth about him out there whether or not others want to believe it, at least I did what I could.
Here is the newest information on Robert Flores.
I did say I was done with Robert but that was before he hired someone to track me and before I spoke to one of his children. I am the voice of that child that Robert has hurt and continues to hurt.

Website and contact information of his church Triumph church

825 9th Street
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: info@triumphchurch.biz

The picture of him in the hat is from the site above, this is according to a person that knows him, Robert Flores. They sent the pic to me but I was having trouble opening it so they said I could go to the above site and get it there.

Robert’s new women’s’ rehab center Triumph Recovery Center contact information and website
The picture of the house with the red car in the vehicle I assume is the center.

Address:
519 N. Military
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax:
Email: info@triumphrecovery.com
Website: http://triumphrecovery.com/

This last site was also on the women’s’ rehab site that apparently is in California. How I have no idea. It is supposedly a faith base organization called life challenge, which Robert claims to have changed his program name from teen challenge to life challenge, which is also the name on his My Space page. Robert Flores designed the site so it has to be linked to him. It seems to be some school but I am unsure why it is located in California. I know he has or had a men’s’ rehab in Columbia called team challenge which was also a school and rehab. It just shows all of his inconsistencies, which also mean lies.
Here is the welcome statement:

Welcome!
Our parish site exists to meet the needs of its members, and to help those members in times of hardship. We worship together as a community of believers. We support one another’s values and beliefs. We nurture the faith of our members in a variety of ways, including adult education programs, a parish grammar school, and guided education for school students.

Contact us:
3375 Edison Way
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: http://www.lifechallenge.biz/aboutus.html

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tbird99
Murfreesboro, US
Dec 06, 2012 12:12 pm EST
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Been a long time since I had a step daughter that was in Robert's program. I have to say that he is telling the truth. It was sometimes hard for her mother and I to come up with the money, but was never harrassed, dunned, or treated any differently by Pastor Flores or his staff. I hope that folks will really look hard at themselves before being so quick to judge others. Btw, the program helped my stepdaughter and enstilled a base in her that was not there before. She is not perfect, but I would definitely say it was a positive in her life.

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tleelovescoffee
Columbia, US
Nov 22, 2011 9:20 pm EST
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Well I am not here to defend or blame Flores but the methods and the program don't work and my sister didn't stay clean and sober Flores gave her a letter of completion when she got kicked out of the program. My sister is the con by getting that letter was able to carry on ruining her kids lives because she refuses to stay sober. I no longer have a sister in my eyes . I am sorry for defending the program I just wanted my sister whole and sober so much but oh well hopefully she doesn't kill the kids in the process of killing herself. :(

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Pastor Robert Flores
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 20, 2011 3:31 pm EST

Unbelievable, I guess I'm really popular these days! The devil sure hates me I must be doing something right. I'm writing this because after long prayer I believe people need to know the truth. This is not intended for the people who are writing blogs about me. This is to the readers of these blogs. Yes, they may seem to have the truth, but in reality they have twisted the truth, or they gather someone’s opinion and perception about me and try to destroy the work of the Lord. But, opinion and perception is not necessarily the truth. The truth is I wonder why they don't give their names and they hide behind these made up titles like Con Seeker. I know why, because they know they can get in trouble for defamation of character.

I remember in 2003, in the same neighborhood Miss Evans lives in, that they hated me and my students so bad that they burnt our house down. They try to make themselves look like the Lone Ranger but in reality they are witch hunters. We all know what happened to those innocent people in Salem. All this is, is a modern day witch hunt and I'm on their list. I know I've made some mistakes in my life but I'm not the person they are making me out to be. It's funny these people know where I work, where my home is, and all my phone numbers but not once has any of these people called me or come to me to ask for answers. I know why because if they did they wouldn't have anything to gossip about. I believe with all my heart that a real child of God will be able to see what is really going on here. The truth is one of these people is married to my wife's ex-husband. I’m sure you can see her motive, she hates my wife. If she can get to me she can get to her.

I've been dealing with these same people for years and they won't quit. But even Paul in 2 Corinthians 12: 7 said... "a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure." Well, I guess it will always keep me humble and I'll remember that my strength is in the Lord.

On another note, I have made some hasty choices under pressure to save these addicts like signing a lease to give these people a place to live while they are in recovery. I know it wasn't the smartest thing to do but the Bible says, "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends". So, I put my name on the line and stepped up to bat when no one else would. However, it hurt my reputation because I couldn't pay all the bills. But, when you have parents and people on drugs and alcohol coming to you asking for help and they have no money what would you do? I'll tell you what I did, I let them come into the program. I guarantee none of these people talking about me would dare try to help these people like my wife and I.

So, there you go, if I was a con I wouldn't have let anyone come into the program without money. I have many students, graduates and parents that can prove what I'm saying is truth. However, some families were able to help but it wasn't enough. I can sit here all day and give an answer to all of these statements but it would be senseless. The Lord will exalt me of all these lies when He feels the need. Until then I will be still and wait on the Lord.

One last thing, they say I'm a con, don't you think with all these years in Lawrenceburg and the persecution I would just leave and go somewhere else? You heard what they said, "If we can get him out of the church he will lose his home and he will move on". Guess what? I’m staying and I’m going to fight the good fight. I'm not going to let the enemy move me or run me off. I'll get direction from the Lord and He has given me all the Armor I need in Ephesians 6:10-20. By the way, I handed down my recovery center to one of my graduates who has been with me since 2006. I guess you can say I passed the torch. However, I'm still the Pastor of Triumph Church and I have a great congregation. Also, I have started a new ministry where I do seminars that will educate Pastors on addictions and it will be more effective on a higher level. Remember, different level, different devil. So check out our web-site and see what the Lord is doing! If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to call me [protected].

P.S I will not respond to any more blogs. However, I will continue to use this letter when needed and pray for those who are being used by the enemy.

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dotherightthing21
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Nov 20, 2011 2:49 am EST

retracted not the same robert flores

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dotherightthing21
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Nov 20, 2011 2:49 am EST

This entire is retracted this is not the same robert Flores

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conseeker3
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 19, 2011 2:50 am EST
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Robert has one son named Lee there is no Robert the third just goes to show what you will do Robert to defend your cons make up a fake son all birth records are public so you'll see his only son Lee which Robert wouldn't claim and Lee would not defend Robert after the way he was shunned by his own father while Robert pretends with kids that aren't his that he's a good father give me a break hey Robert how vacations have you taken your children you help make that's what I thought we all know Tammy can't stand your kids and won't even take care of them if they come to your perfect home which has happened maybe twice in 6 years so before you make up a son remember how you treat your actual son ###

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conseeker3
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 19, 2011 2:39 am EST
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Update
Con Artist Scam
Complaint Rating:
Company information:
Robert Flores Ministries Triumph Church
1025 West Gaines
Lawrenceburg, Tennessee
United States
Phone: [protected]-1540
drfloresministries.com

Robert and Tammy Flores are at it again of course with a whole new scam. He is offering seminars to people. All of his halfway houses scams are almost over and from what I am told Triumph church just might end soon as well. Hopefully the members of Lawrenceburg are sick of this man stealing from their community. He has had several halfway houses, a counseling scam, churches, a painting company and a window tinting business, all fail and you have to ask yourself why. If you call or talk to many of the residence in Lawrence County and say Flores they know and don't care for the name one bit. I have called and spoke to may respected community member including pastors and they all say the same thing Robert and Tammy Flores are cons, and they all can't b e right. You ask yourself why isn't he in jail well, so far there is nothing to show the authorities and it would take resources they just don't have. He opens these facilities and people donate to them but he steals most of the funds, he employs the halfway house members through one of his company ventures such as painting and he keeps all their money on top of charging them rent and taking them to the Welfare office to get food stamps, which he also keeps. This man and women duo are nothing but money hungry thieves looking for the next free ride. They have filed bankruptcy twice, they file it give it some time and then apply for as many credit cards and loans as they can and then file bankruptcy before having to pay them back, they have had cars, trailers and land repossessed for not paying for me, that is not Christian, borrowing money you have no intentions of paying back, they even bought a bed off someone and never paid her for it. Their is no level they won't stoop to so they need to be stopped. Robert is not a doctor he barley got his GED, he sent $699 to the University of Belford and they sent him a piece of paper, just ask him to see it and then look up the university. Everything about these two is fake and phony they do what every it takes to get a dollar even if they have to hurt others. Do not sign up for the seminars and do not support Robert and Tammy Flores in their many scams all these people can't be wrong, here is a nice article to wrap your mind around also I was able to find someone who knows the Flores couple and could supply a pic of his so called degree and attached them to this
http://timesdaily.com/stories/Outreach-runs-afoul-of-officials-community, 107087?content_source=archive&category_id=&search_filter=outreach+&event_mode=&event_ts_from=&list_type=&order_by=&order_sort=&content_class=&sub_type=stories&town_id=

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conseeker3
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 19, 2011 2:31 am EST
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I agree Robert Flores makes addicts think they will be cured but sad thing that's probably Robert or one of his followers that made up a story about being a student and if Robert was such a great councilor and his facilities are so great why don't any of them make no longer than 6 months I have confronted Robert and Tammy but they won't change so I'm using the Internet to reach more people and warn them I have nothing to hide from the Internet is used by many to expose cons

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conseeker3
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 18, 2011 1:54 am EST
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Triumph recovery is no longer so much for it standing tall. The woman''s home on Military is no more, they are burning bridges and people ore sick of them. His real daughter does not like Robert because he was never there for her even after jail, he is selfish. This comment above is him

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floresiii
radcliffe, US
Jun 17, 2011 9:38 am EDT

first off Robert Flores is a good man he is doin the rite thing to help people, Robert Flores is my father Iam Robert the third. And for yall u people cryin about and complanin about this man. he has done nogthing but gods works and for the facilty it works theres lives being changed weather u peolpe like it or not. triumph recovery will stand tall no matter the hits it gets. the devil hates that place beacuse its open eyes to god. if u dont like it i suggest you need to pray and find god your self. and for all the people who has been there and talkin crap about it now just need to back off. it looks like you people havent changed at yall. i love you dad always will iam proud of you your a great man and father nogthing but respect for you keep doin gods work

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justice_10
Ethridge, US
May 12, 2011 11:29 pm EDT

Okay not gonna name and names but I work for a company that has dealings with Triumph and Robert Flores, a friend of mine came across this site and told me about it. I completely see the con in him he has lied to this company many times about paying a bill that he has still yet to pay. Any info that any of you can send me would be greatly appreciated. A close friends very life and freedom rides on this information so please HELP!

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linda55
Homosassa Springs, US
May 04, 2011 8:12 pm EDT
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who is Jerry and why no new updates or are you a digruntal employee or person or interest in your own crime?

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cantstopwontstop44
Clayton, US
Apr 26, 2011 4:23 pm EDT

amy! its jessica...i was thinking about you the other day! how can i get in contact with you? do you have a phone number i can reach you at sweet girl!? email me at bonham.jessica@yahoo.com ok? and Darlene i am so proud of you for hanging in there i know it isnt easy!
this stuff is all whack, i disagree with every statement against robert and tammy no one has any facts and they give their lives THEIR WHOLE LIVES to help these people... to help me. i was on the verge of leaving this world! i thought i had no way out of a serious eating disorder and drug addiction. now i am free! i have nothing that binds me! i live for Christ and He has carried me when i could not walk. I wouldn't have really realized it until i was at that womens home.now tell me why in the world would ANYONE put all their time into helping others become free of every stronghold against them, unless they had the love of God surrounding them? i just don't think any of the complaints against them and their family are fair at all. people we need to take a good look at ourselves first and the lives we live because i believe we all have a past, some are good and others are bad... but by God's grace we are completely one hundred percent forgiven! so if we walk the Christian walk shouldn't we also forgive others their mistakes? especially mistakes of the past! Christ will forgive us over and over. Can't we be more like him? please. :) Psalm 32:6

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elhigh
Columbia, US
Apr 22, 2011 9:10 pm EDT

There are at least 2 judgments against Tammy & Robert Florez at the Lawrence County, TN Court House. These are public record and can be viewed by anyone. In addition neither the Lawrence County nor Davidson County court system will allow probation or others to use Triumph Recovery center in place of their sentencing because there is insufficient suppervision (students are housed at seperate facilities for men & women, but NEITHER home has 24/7 staff there, which means students are supervising themselves) and there are NO STATE LISCENCED Counselors on staff. Not sure where any of the staff received there so called credential, but they are NOT recognized as a legitimate rehab center!

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elhigh
Columbia, US
Apr 22, 2011 9:03 pm EDT

There are 2 judgments AGAINST Tammy & Robert Flores at the Lawrence County Courthouse. Judgements totalling over $30000 that they owe people. Further, neither Lawrence County nor Davidson County judicial system recognizes Triumph Recovery as a legitamite recovery center due to lack of supervision of students (they stay at homes and supervise each other!) and there are no LISCENCED Councilors. If you are looking for addiction treatment, search else where. This one wants MONEY!

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wshn2Bhome
Millington, US
Apr 10, 2011 11:57 am EDT

hi...my name is amy and pastor took me in when I had just lost my fiance to this disease...unfortunately, i left on the advice of family members who believed the JUNK that woman said about him. It was only bc they love me and were afraid of me taking my own life. He genuinely loves his "kids"...us...and would do NOTHING to harm us. I have had a HARD road since I left my wonderfully newfound family and often find myself longing to go back home and finish what GOD intended for me. To read these OBVIOUS attacks on Bro. Robert and Sr. Tammy by satan himself, makes my heart cry out for these people who are being tricked into not seeing God's love...through the exact people that are being drug onto the firing line. However God works in mysterious ways...why?...bc as I have been typing this...I am remembering ALL the awesome, TRUE Gos felt momments I experienced while I was there...I'm going to ask if they would be so forgiving as to let me...COME BACK HOME! I love yall Bro.Robert, Sr. Tammy...Sr. Bert...Ms. Brenda...all of you..hope to be home soon!

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Lynnetta
Lawrenceburg, US
Apr 07, 2011 5:37 pm EDT

(continued...)to continue to live a sober as you stay in recovery from your disease of addiction.

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Lynnetta
Lawrenceburg, US
Apr 07, 2011 5:35 pm EDT

This is just a short comment to the lady in the last post. Good for you if you have chosen to live your life sober, but if you have truly been to a good rehab, one that gives you tools to learn to stay sober, you would know that you are still a drug addict, and will be for the rest of your life. Your statement that said you 'was' a drug addict makes me wonder if you have the right tools to stay sober. You should have said 'I am a recovering addict, or an addict in recovery and that you chose to live sober. Once an addict, always an addict, but you can chose daily to live a clean and sober life. If you think you are no longer an addict, you are fooling yourself and need to seek better counseling. May God be with you and may you choose

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Darlene Perry
Lawrenceburg, US
Dec 15, 2010 4:11 pm EST

To whom this may concern seeing as to how you poeple hide behide this computer.I am a 45 year old women that was a drug addict, I was broken, beatdown, shameful and spirtuially dead.Since I have came to Triumph Recovery Center and Pastor Robert Flores has taught me about the lord and helped me so much in my walk, I am finally getting a life that I can be proud of and I can hold my head up without shame.I am getting my education and I am getting stronger with the lord and my spiritual walk with the help of the man that you are trying to persecute.You do not know what you are talking about.you called me stupid and uneducated for following Pastor Robert but to me you are the ignorent one.This is not about Pastor Flores it about God and salvation and I wiil keep you all in my prayers.I understand better than anyone when you don't want to belive in something but if you give God a chance he will save you just as he has me.I am sorry that you cannot find it in your heart to let the lord in and that is apparent or you would not be wasting your time bad mouthing someone you know nothing about, you would spend your time praising the lord.You however are right about somethings there are faulse prophets out there and I believe you may be misinformed.I can't past judgement on you because that is not chistian life.I am a believer and I know that God will take care of me and I will continue to pray for you.

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Smartestmommy
Lawrenceburg, US
Nov 14, 2010 8:11 pm EST
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All I have read on this site are opinions. There has been NO EVIDENCE shown whatsoever. You all sound like someone I know, calling people of God hypocrites because you yourselves don't live for God. Where is your evidence of these scams?

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FLI Investments
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Oct 01, 2010 2:57 pm EDT

Robert Flores personally lied to me on several occassions. Robert was a tenant that signed a 5 year lease for commercial property on Pulaski Hwy for the corporate office of Teen Challenge / Life Challenge. Robert did not fulfill his lease obligation as a matter of fact didn't even make it a year and a half. My partner and I had to beg for the monthly rent every month and was lied to week after week about when the rent would be paid. In addition Robert abandoned the property and never fulfilled his lease obligation nor will he return phone calls or emails to discuss the matter. He also left the building in very poor condition. This entire ordeal costs me thousands of dollars out of pocket.

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tbird99
Murfreesboro, US
Sep 28, 2010 12:48 pm EDT
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My typing is terrible and I should have proof-read a little better. My opening sentence above should read: "Spoke with the real Teen Challenge also."

I urge anyone to call them too. Go to their website and get the headquarters number form any one of the "branch" locations. I wish I had saved the number and the contact name, but I do think I remember the headquarters being in Missouri.

http://teenchallengeusa.com/about/

Do your homework!

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tbird99
Murfreesboro, US
Sep 28, 2010 12:43 pm EDT
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Spoke with the real teem chalenge also. It appears that Robert Flores was legally operating a Teen Challenge center under a temporary charter. When it was decided that they would not change Assembly of God affiliations to gain a permanent charter, he notified them and relinquished the Teen Challenge name. The Teen Challenge folks assured me that no policy violation had taken place and there was a true Teen Challenge affiliation. After seeing all of this posting, I ran background checks, called Teen Challenge, and I simply found a lot of what has been written above to be false and most likely a personal vendetta is at the root. It is one thing to want to expose people that are con-artists, but it should all be fact based! This not only hurts the person you are trashing, but other people also. Until you can show me more meat or something that I have missed, I completely dismiss your claims against Robert Flores!

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tbird99
Murfreesboro, US
Sep 04, 2010 7:08 pm EDT
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I need to know some greater specifics rather than "the guy is a sociopath". Please help me! In dire need and may have already messed up!

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newsflash5000
New York Mills, US
Aug 31, 2010 4:52 pm EDT
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Hi Jerry, I believe you have good intentions, but it seems that a lot of non-profit organizations are allowed to make there own policies and rules as to how they can run their organizations no matter how illegal it may be just as long as the government approves or says nothing about it. So called church organizations are very powerful scam artist in how they run their church charities, shelters and food pantries from coast to coast. The government is a huge factor in this government supported cycle. Nothing is going to happen to Robert and if so someone else will take his place, because there are thousands of organizations non-profit like Robert's which millions of people will stand on Robert's behalf no matter how bad it gets simply because of the other thousands of non-profit organizations supported by the government.

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neighbor01
lawrenceberg, US
Aug 24, 2010 1:04 pm EDT
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Dear former student,

Funny thing you had to leave the program, you yourself knows why...when you become dangerous to others and self, Yes you have to be asked to leave and it's a shame the center is blamed for your failures. As far as food stamps goes, That is a law that was passed in 2002 by president bush, look it up, there is nothing wrong with a (Non Profit) center receiving food stamps for their students whom cannot afford food, because they are in treatment doesn't mean they should not receive them. You have to realize the center that I know, what little funding they may get or may not get from month to month goes toward expenses of running the house, I know all about Triumph and believe me, those people don't get much money, they donate their time, so you should think about that and there aren't too many places you can go for treatment for hardly anything, and if you had to live on your own and pay rent you would pay more for that..sad how past students who don't make it, try and hurt this center...SHAME SHAME

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gotconned
Florissant, US
Aug 17, 2010 12:13 am EDT
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I must say...Robert Flores should not call himself a man of christ. I happen to be a former "student" of his and he made so many promises to me and my family and not did a single one of them. I am not talking about promises of curing my addiction, I am talking about promises of taking care of everyday life hurdles so that I could be in treatment. It is trully a joke when you come from another state, I was conned to even get there in the first place, and nothing was done. I am serving severe consequences now for his complete disregard. He was paid in full by my concerned family and took advantage of us all. He holds peoples fate in his hands and uses it for his own benefit. It is sad that the way food is brought into the house is by the "students" food stamps that they are forced to apply for upon admission. This place is a joke and so is he.

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DONTJUDGEBEFOREYOUKNOWTHETRUTH
Lawrenceburg, US
Jul 09, 2010 1:50 pm EDT

ya people need to get a life just cause ya have nothing better to do than but into other peoples lives just cause someone is trying to help those people who are in need of help ya think he is useing them for the money i know robert he is a good man and he has done nothing but help others he puts others before himself if that aint a god honest man then what is and if ya were some christian ya woulndn't sit here a grip about what other people are doing! GET A LIFE

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kristi.tidwell
, US
Jul 08, 2010 10:19 pm EDT

If this is a scam then tell us How When Where What.

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Sweetlyght
Cary, US
Jun 22, 2010 12:55 pm EDT

I'm a person who does not know ANY of the people who have posted here, but I have to agree with the people defending Robert. There are no fact, info, or anything like it that connect Flores to a scam. You haven't given any information that says, he did this and it was wrong, regarding his clinics. I only see personal attacks, and it doesn't seem like any of the people responding accusing him of wrong doing have even so much as BEEN to clinics. And taking the site down could have been simply related to both places having the same name, but one group having the name trademarked. It doesn't reflect morally on Robert at all. So see me as the outsider looking in, and those of you supporting Robert, know that it stands out just as much to the stranger that the complaint listed here is not a true complaint. Complaints on this site tend to involve a story of events.

Oh yeah, and if you do not have such a story backing this accusation of Robert being a con artist, you should know, this is NOT protected speech. It is slander. You, without sharing your personal information, have opened the book on someone's life, still without proof that they've done anything wrong, and have accused them of a crime that can damage their reputation. No one has the RIGHT to do that, it is a civil act. And if he's trying to find out who you are its probably because he wants to file civil charges. Which, he also has the right to do.

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karatekachick
Columbia, US
Jun 18, 2010 2:01 pm EDT

First, I would like to say I have known tleelovescoffee for almost 19 years, and she is speaking from the heart, 100% her own words. She would not let anyone speak for her, or stand over her shoulder, that is laughable.

Second, it is true, her sister has been in and out of rehabs, each time, she is miserable, and is worse then she went in. This time, at Triumph, is the first time she is learning to become a functioning human being, and is doing better then any other time.

Now, I see all these posts about Mr Flores (I don't know him) scamming and such, but I see no specifics. If your going to post this stuff out there, why don't you be specific, WHAT scams and WHEN? If nothing else, explain how this man has harmed YOU in some way.

I don't know anything about the situation, but what I DO know is my friends sister is alive, and no matter what Mr Flores did in his past or even last week, there is one Mother, Sister, Daughter, Aunt who is living because of his current actions/intentions.

Again, I don't see anything here, maybe I am not looking in the right places, not digging deep enough? (If I have to dig THAT deep is it even worth it?)

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kent phh
San Jose, US
Jun 17, 2010 3:25 am EDT
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Please help Please help Please help
Where can we file a complaint about Direct T.V who is running a big scam to consumers, a cheating flyer with 29.99 flat fee a month every medias right now.?

Thank you,

Kent phh
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student6991@yahoo.com

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Granny444
, US
Jun 13, 2010 10:23 pm EDT

I don't think you all have to worry about the true side of Robert to be revealed. Jerry refuses to come back to his site he is fed up and disgusted. He has every right to be. Little girl you say you want to say a few things and then you write post after post, you are naive and will believe what ever this man tells. Four full time jobs seriously, there are preachers and pastors that have real jobs. You all won't get a rise out of Jerry and yes he is in pain and when he seen someone like Robert take advantage of people like him, he became furious. But here is this makes you all feel better you win, you win no prize or no trophy. You are all sick and in my 63 years of being on this earth I have never seen such filth and lies. You can defend someone as much as you like, but it will never justify Robert's actions. That I know of no one was an angry employee fired for stupidity where you came up with that, I am unsure.You all can make this a blog that makes Robert feel better about his lies and sins. Its all yours now, have fun. Your are all simply minded and trust me Jerry did nothing to any of you. You all have a great day. I hope hearing you won makes you feel bette, r I know I am not a liar and I can go to sleep every night knowing that is I don't wake up, I will be satisfied by how my life was, I won't worry about wether I'm going up or down and I know I am a good person and I do the best I can. This was not a waste of Jerry's time, he did get results and some of know just what I am speaking about. Remember that and thank you for supporting Jerry, it is happening soon, I think that's why Jerry got fed up with all this because he knows it will all be ok. Bye, Bye now.

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Granny444
, US
Jun 13, 2010 10:23 pm EDT

I don't think you all have to worry about the true side of Robert to be revealed. Jerry refuses to come back to his site he is fed up and disgusted. He has every right to be. Little girl you say you want to say a few things and then you write post after post, you are naive and will believe what ever this man tells. Four full time jobs seriously, there are preachers and pastors that have real jobs. You all won't get a rise out of Jerry and yes he is in pain and when he seen someone like Robert take advantage of people like him, he became furious. But here is this makes you all feel better you win, you win no prize or no trophy. You are all sick and in my 63 years of being on this earth I have never seen such filth and lies. You can defend someone as much as you like, but it will never justify Robert's actions. That I know of no one was an angry employee fired for stupidity where you came up with that, I am unsure.You all can make this a blog that makes Robert feel better about his lies and sins. Its all yours now, have fun. Your are all simply minded and trust me Jerry did nothing to any of you. You all have a great day. I hope hearing you won makes you feel bette, r I know I am not a liar and I can go to sleep every night knowing that is I don't wake up, I will be satisfied by how my life was, I won't worry about wether I'm going up or down and I know I am a good person and I do the best I can. This was not a waste of Jerry's time, he did get results and some of know just what I am speaking about. Remember that and thank you for supporting Jerry, it is happening soon, I think that's why Jerry got fed up with all this because he knows it will all be ok. Bye, Bye now.

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Granny444
, US
Jun 13, 2010 10:22 pm EDT

I don't think you all have to worry about the true side of Robert to be revealed. Jerry refuses to come back to his site he is fed up and disgusted. He has every right to be. Little girl you say you want to say a few things and then you write post after post, you are naive and will believe what ever this man tells. Four full time jobs seriously, there are preachers and pastors that have real jobs. You all won't get a rise out of Jerry and yes he is in pain and when he seen someone like Robert take advantage of people like him, he became furious. But here is this makes you all feel better you win, you win no prize or no trophy. You are all sick and in my 63 years of being on this earth I have never seen such filth and lies. You can defend someone as much as you like, but it will never justify Robert's actions. That I know of no one was an angry employee fired for stupidity where you came up with that, I am unsure.You all can make this a blog that makes Robert feel better about his lies and sins. Its all yours now, have fun. Your are all simply minded and trust me Jerry did nothing to any of you. You all have a great day. I hope hearing you won makes you feel bette, r I know I am not a liar and I can go to sleep every night knowing that is I don't wake up, I will be satisfied by how my life was, I won't worry about wether I'm going up or down and I know I am a good person and I do the best I can. This was not a waste of Jerry's time, he did get results and some of know just what I am speaking about. Remember that and thank you for supporting Jerry, it is happening soon, I think that's why Jerry got fed up with all this because he knows it will all be ok. Bye, Bye now.

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tleelovescoffee
Columbia, US
Jun 13, 2010 9:27 pm EDT
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I only have one small thing to say. Society complains that these addicts run our streets, rob, steal and so much more. But heaven forbid a mere man comes up and welcomes the addicts to a safe, loving, and spiritual environment. A man that wants nothing more than to free others like he was. When was the last time you cared so much about something that you dedicated your life to it.
I am not a student, I have only my sisters best interest in mind. So If Pastor is Con and this con is keeping his promise of serinity, sobriety, and some semblance of sanity. Then please continue to Con me. Because everyday that this so called con cons me that is one more day that my sister is on this planet. And no matter what anyone says on here or else where NO WILL EVER EVER CHANGE MY MIND. My sister is more important than your petty ramblings. Some of you are sour because you have either lost someone, got fired because of your own stupidy, or just have to have something to complain about. The truly sad thing is that some will never see this post because they wont make it past the poison you all have written. At what point do you think you have done enough damage to a good man. you all seem so good at pointing out the faults in pastor but lets look at you...
1. are you willing to take over the ministry?
2. are you willing to whole heartly love the ones that think no one loves them.?
3. are you willing to put all you have on the line just to help others you have not met.
4. Are you willing to work 4 full time jobs?
5. Are you really willing to do anything?
I personally know a man that is willing to do this and so much more.
The man I know Loves life, Loves others, and loves being right where he is. So lets try something and support him instead of grinding him down. A normal man would have given up and said enough but pastor is not a normal man, He is a Godly man. And being that he doesnt know how to give up on those who need him most.

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Redemption72
, US
Jun 13, 2010 7:19 pm EDT
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Conseeker2,

(I'm assuming there are at least 2 people using the user id "conseeker2" and this response is to the one that responded to me, redemption72)

So, your telling me that you don't actually know Robert Flores? Or have worked with him? Or have attended his church?
Then why are you so angry with him? I'm asking you to find out these so called "facts" about him yourself. You may then see things differently. He is doing God's work. I have been to 7 rehabs and even prison...his program is the only thing that worked for me. I am truly sorry that you have so much hate in your heart brother. I invite you to church with us for the chance to get to know God and us. God bless you.

BTW...Facilities and testimonies are both spelled correctly!

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tleelovescoffee
Columbia, US
Jun 13, 2010 5:56 pm EDT
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Ok I have read some of the CRAP that has been listed here. I am not going to personally attack anyone who has said anything. I am however going to tell you that no matter what you think or believe about Robert Flores I can tell you I would be an only child if it were not for him. I personally don't care about Roberts past. (as I am sure 99% of you would not like to admit to some things you have done in the past) Pastors past is exactly that his PAST and if he can not be in that for his personal reasons then so be it. I have not read all this site because it sickens me to think that others will read your writtings and be convinced that this is a scam and no one gets better through the lord. I know that the secular rehab does not work for all. I know this again because as I have already said I would be an only child at this point. (AND IF I HAPPEN TO SAY TO MUCH I APOLOGIES BUT I WANT OTHERS TO HAVE THE SAME CHANCE AT LIFE THAT MY SISTER HAS) I have seen my sister be miserable in rehab after rehab. and I have seen her self destruct one day at a time. My sister is beautiful in and out and at Triumph she is becoming a whole person with holes being filled with the help of Flores and the one and only GOD. so until you have been in met the girls and see that they are starting to see hope then please keep your mouth shut. and to the one that lost their son to addiction I am truly sorry for that. But you of all people should want to let people try what they can to get better. Sometimes we have to step back and put all the problems and worries in Gods hands and let him handle it. We can not see the big picture nor were we ment to understand. so please stop spreading this crap and leave the past in the past. I also would appreciate the personal attacks to stop Pastors wife did nothing to you or anyone else and I am proud to say my sister is in there company.
I would personally bend over backwards for any of the girls in there to get what ever they need and even for you girls that have left. I am sorry you girls have left and no you may not have met me but I assure you you have used things I have provided. I believe in pastor and the mission he is on. I only hope that people who are saying and thinking these neg. things don't ever make a mistake and need forgiveness.
If you happen to read this Pastor I believe in you and I know you will get past this neg. because the lord is on your side and nothing worth having comes easy.
And to the girls sticking it out with pastor I love you all and you know where to find me if you need anything.

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Redemption72
, US
Jun 13, 2010 3:02 pm EDT
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Maybe some of you need to check out the facilities and hear the testimonies of some of the graduates... Instead of making statements based on false accusations, please do the homework yourselves. I personally know Robert Flores and several graduates from his program. Everyone has a past...God forgave us...so can you. I have been to all of his facilities and have been extremely impressed. I have witnessed his clients at fundraisers, volunteering, church and many other events. They have always been completely respectable. God is using Robert Flores to help addicts and the like. No matter how much you post on this site, he is still going to be saving lives through Christ. That will never change. I'm sorry you will not actually see what is being done in real life, choosing to stay behind your computer. Sad, but expected. The Bible tells us that the world will persecute those who know Christ.
I will pray for you.

ALSO... This "Clark" character is just a disgruntled employee. I know him and have worked with him side by side. Before you take his side in any of this, you need to meet him just once. You will then realize why he no longer works for Triumph Recovery Center and anyone else for that matter. His real name is Curtis Kiddy. He needs all of our prayer for excessive pride. I've never met anyone who has has a positive experience with this guy.

ALSO... The website for lifechallenge.biz is under construction and what you saw is just a GENERIC TEMPLATE! Again...please think a little more before you post false accusations because it makes you look very unprofessional. Also you might want to use a spell check program... again... that many misspelled words makes you look unprofessional.

Hopefully some of you will take a deeper look into the life saving work Robert Flores is doing and make your OWN decisions on the matter. God Bless all who read this.
BTW... I'm not Robert Flores, so please don't try to falsely accuse me of that as well...

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judgenot
Nashville, US
Jun 13, 2010 3:01 pm EDT
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PLEASE COULD YOU POST SOME FACTS!
you say hes putting money in other accounts under diffrent names then what accounts?what names?a con or a scam has got to have something involved for personal gain.the only thing this forum has shown about this man is that hes a pastor of a church, runs a mens facility for drug rehabilitation in columbia, and a womens facility in lawrenceburg,
one lady said he sometimes takes people in that canot afford to pay.maybe we should hang him.hahaha
the way you make him sound im thinking of nomonating him for the nobel peace prize.please people youre talking about a mans reputation in a comunity you owe him at least to post some facts if youre trying to discredit someone of wrong doing?this really sounds like a angry family member or maybe someone didnt make it through the program and is lashing out.but to be honest it kinda sounds like kids on here fighting over desert at the dinner table.if you have no facts please just leave him alone or bring it out and post something that shows some wrong doing, not hes a liar a liar pants on fire.if all you have is false theories then please just keep them to yourselves.there are people out here with serious addictions that need serious help.