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I want to thank all of you for supporting me and being there during the rough times. I was in the hospital as some of you knew and thank you for all of the get well cards and support. Apparently while I was in the hospital I received new information from you all about Robert Flores and his newest scams. I was receiving messages from the screen name tracker20 he claimed to be a boyfriend of some women that was in Robert’s rehab program and asked me for help. I knew it was Robert and went along with it a bit, and then just got fed up. Well tracker20 is someone hired by Robert to track my email, which is j.[protected]@gmail.com for reasons unknown. I believe it is because Robert knows the truth is coming to light and it is making him nervous. Even if he found out where I lived and anything else about me, it would not affect me in any way I am doing nothing that is illegal if anyone is breaking the law its Mr. Flores. I am exercising my freedom of speech, I have not threatened Mr. Flores all I am trying to accomplish is getting people to see the real Robert Flores, that my friend is not illegal. This may be why he changed the names of his programs so we must be doing something right his false teen challenge site was shut down after I spoke with the real teen challenge who then contacted Mr. Flores and well end result the site was shut down. This was a positive but my supporters and followers have recently informed me that Robert is running the same scams just under new names. Tracker20 who Robert or one of his sheep were posing as claimed Robert opened a women’s’ rehab which I did not believe but I have been informed he has. Robert also began a new church I am unsure if it is his church or if he is just a pastor. The site says that it was created by Robert Flores so he created the site and his picture is included on the site as well. Robert has opened a women’s’ center in Lawrenceburg while his men’s’ center apparently remains in Columbia. I have gotten messages asking how he is doing all of this and why he is not caught. Well everyone I am sorry to say that it takes time for bad people to get caught like in my example of Robert and Tammy Fay Baker they had a huge following and traveled all over the world making millions and they did it for a while. It took much time but eventually they were caught. I request all of you to watch American Greed it is a television program about people that run scams and some of them are religious scams like Robert’s. In the con world Robert is small time believe it or not, seeing that he does not own anything and has to rent goes to show how small time he really is. The fact that he moves around in the same area as much he has shows his criminal ways but what he does is rents building or talks people into putting things in their names so there is no connection to him. Robert is not really stupid he is smart when it comes to being a criminal but very dumb when it comes to academics and business sense. He has no idea what he is doing and it really shows. What he does to make himself look or seem intelligent is that Robert surrounds himself with people that are not that educated like his wife. She may be nice or seem nice but lets face it she is not the brightest crayon in the box. When Robert encounters someone that does have intelligence he shuts down it is one of his weaknesses. If you go around calling yourself a doctor you better be able to back it up and show your doctor status. To someone that never graduated from high school Robert may seem smart to him or her but someone that has some education can see right through him. People like me and my followers who have seen all the evidence and helped me with the research on Mr. Flores can all see and realize Robert is really full of it. In the beginning it makes you laugh to see someone so stupid con so many people. But in all it is a sad situation especially for me and others that have lost family members to addiction. Many of you know my story that I lost my one and only child to addiction my son was a drug user and I did not see the signs. Since then I try my best to help families that have been victims of addiction. That is how I came in contact with Mr. Flores I was looking for a small rehab that was faith based and that was in need of funds to do God’s work. Well I accidentally contacted the wrong Teen Challenge looking for Mr. Flores and they told me there was no teen challenges in Columbia Tennessee nor was there a program leader named Robert Flores. I told them about his website and that is when I realized I have been conned. The research on Mr. Flores then began and that is how I found out that he is a liar and that he is just using others weaknesses for his benefit. I posted questions about Mr. Flores to some of the names that came up during my search some replied back to me and some did not. I heard very few positives on Mr. Flores and was taken back by what kind of person he really is. He tells people that know him “I can con anyone and I’m good at being a con”. Which is partly true. There are many that have caught onto him and know who he really is. One person that knows him was one of his children, which I met through a social networking site. I promised them I would not reveal their identity so I will respect their request. It was heartbreaking what they had to say. They said to Robert and people that know him his real children don’t exists they said he has a new family now and he will not claim them. They said he would not even be paying his child support if it weren’t for the fact that he was arrested about four years ago and put in jail for failure to pay his child support. This was all after Robert claimed to be living a clean sober Godly life, so that goes to show he is a liar. They said if Robert did not go to jail he would not be paying his child support. Even though he is paying the support he won’t see his children they said they rarely see him and that he does not call and that they needed him during their teen years. Children need their fathers and the fact that Robert stands in front of the congregation and preaches about living a pure Godly life all while he is not. I am sorry to say that fatherhood is more that writing a check and even if your wife doesn’t want you to see your children you need to do what is right. Children don’t ask to be born they don’t have the same choice you had of whether or not to make a child. If that is not bad enough he apparently adopted a child about five years ago, and treats her great and is a father to her. His child then said that I see Robert with his family in their nice houses and having nice things while going on many family vacations, and ask myself why am I not good enough to have that life too. That is heartbreaking he claims to be this great person when actually he is a coward that can’t take care of his own children.
That is how I found out about Robert Flores so tracker20 bring it on come find me I have not done nothing wrong. It seems like Robert is desperate to stop me telling the truth but I won’t be stopped until Robert tells the truth. He can be forgiven and live the way he claims he is living, but it will never happen unless he tells the truth. Back to his newest scams. I am posting all links to his new sites as well as contact information for anyone that wishes to contact Mr. Flores. I am hoping that Clark Kent will give me more information. He wants to but he says he is scared of Robert. Apparently Robert uses the men from his rehab to not only do work for him while Robert collects their pay, but will also use them as intimidations he will send them to threaten people. Clark seems to be a good 25 year old that just got caught up with the wrong person while trying to accomplish his dreams. I appreciate everyone who has helped me I know my son is looking down on me from heaven with a smile on his face. He knows his dad is someone with determination and will do what he has to. I care that is why I am telling the truth about Robert I am not getting anything from doing this, I am not benefiting or getting paid. Robert has not done anything personally to me so I am not getting revenge I just want the truth about him out there whether or not others want to believe it, at least I did what I could.
Here is the newest information on Robert Flores.
I did say I was done with Robert but that was before he hired someone to track me and before I spoke to one of his children. I am the voice of that child that Robert has hurt and continues to hurt.
Website and contact information of his church Triumph church
825 9th Street
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: [protected]@triumphchurch.biz
The picture of him in the hat is from the site above, this is according to a person that knows him, Robert Flores. They sent the pic to me but I was having trouble opening it so they said I could go to the above site and get it there.
Robert’s new women’s’ rehab center Triumph Recovery Center contact information and website
The picture of the house with the red car in the vehicle I assume is the center.
Address:
519 N. Military
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax:
Email: [protected]@triumphrecovery.com
Website: http://triumphrecovery.com/
This last site was also on the women’s’ rehab site that apparently is in California. How I have no idea. It is supposedly a faith base organization called life challenge, which Robert claims to have changed his program name from teen challenge to life challenge, which is also the name on his My Space page. Robert Flores designed the site so it has to be linked to him. It seems to be some school but I am unsure why it is located in California. I know he has or had a men’s’ rehab in Columbia called team challenge which was also a school and rehab. It just shows all of his inconsistencies, which also mean lies.
Here is the welcome statement:
Welcome!
Our parish site exists to meet the needs of its members, and to help those members in times of hardship. We worship together as a community of believers. We support one another’s values and beliefs. We nurture the faith of our members in a variety of ways, including adult education programs, a parish grammar school, and guided education for school students.
Contact us:
3375 Edison Way
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: http://www.lifechallenge.biz/aboutus.html
Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.
http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216
http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331
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Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.
http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216
http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331
/URL removed/
Hello and thank you, your support is appreciated and valued. So I posted on some of the websites you all provided to me in my group forum and here are the direct links to check it out.
http://www.my3cents.com/showReview.cgi?id=80216
http://208.86.2.42/showthread.php?t=129331
/URL removed/
That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.
1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)
2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)
3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)
4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)
5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)
6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.
7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)
8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)
9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)
10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)
11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.
12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)
13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.
14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.
That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.
1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)
2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)
3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)
4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)
5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)
6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.
7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)
8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)
9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)
10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)
11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.
12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)
13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.
14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.
That is wonderful Mark I appreciate it. You all have been so supportive and it does not go unnoticed. I'm happy to hear the site will include other scammers and exploiters because this is going on all over the country. People are using weaknesses of others for their benefit and this needs to stop. All we have is our self worth, when we die we don't take our material things with us or the number of friends we have, we only have our self worth. What you accomplish and don't accomplish while on earth is up to you and only you. You can take advantage of what is offered in a positive way or in a negative way. People like Robert are taking advantage alright, he is taking advantage of religion and people. We all have to answer to a power greater than the police and greater than ourselves, before you lay your head, shut your eyes and sleep ask yourself, if I don't wake up tomorrow do I need to worry when I arrive at the gates? If you can truly say yes, not say well kind of or I'll just ask for forgiveness for all the wrong I have done. No you need to make so that every night you can go to sleep with a clear conscious. The people that can go to bed every night knowing they are committing sin after sin and not doing anything to make it right, are pure evil and there is a place for them and I don't think all the money they had will help them where they are going. Robert is a true example of a sociopath. Below is the profile of a sociopath and then you can decide for yourself.
1. Glibness and superficial charm (This is how Robert runs his game on people, he charms or cons them through charm.)
2. Manipulative and Conning (Come on this is his one and only trait, he manipulates and then cons. Robert never recognizes the rights of others and he sees his self-serving behavior as permissible meaning accepting. He appears to be charming outwardly but he is covertly hostile and domineering. He sees the people he preys his victims as merely an instrument to be used to get what he wants. He tries to dominate and humiliate people to make himself feel better.)
3. Grandiose Sense of Self (Robert feels that he is deserving of only the best and feels he is entitled to certain things.)
4. Pathological Lying (This is all Robert knows, to lie. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie and he may believe his lies as being true. He has no problem lying and he will do it easily and coolly like its an everyday behavior. It is impossible for him to tell the truth because he has fabricated so much that he has to lie just to feel normal. I mean he calls himself a doctor. This is what you call creating and getting caught up in a complex belief about their own powers or abilities such as thinking your a doctor when you not just to feel powerful. These people can be extremely convincing and even pass a lie detector test, sick but this is Robert for sure.)
5. Lack of Remorse, Shame and/or Guilt. (Robert feels what he is doing is fine and feels not guilt for what he is doing nor does he feel remorse for those he is hurting like his children. He most likely has deep seated rage which he has split off and repressed, and now its at his core. He doesn't view others around him as being people he only sees them as targets and opportunities to get what he wants. Robert doesn't have friends he has victims and accomplices which advice to his wife Tammy become victims sooner or later, he is not capable of love he is using you for a reason. The end always justifies the means and they let NOTHING stand in their way.)
6. Shallow Emotions ( When Robert attempts to show what seems to be; warmth, joy, love or compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Meaning if he seems to be giving or kind its for a reason. He will become outraged and angry over the smallest matters but when it comes to things that upset most people he is unmoved and cold. Robert is not genuine and therefor neither are his promises.
7. Incapacity For Love ( Robert can not love he can not feel he is a shell)
8. Need for Stimulation (Living on the edge, verbal outburst and getting physical with others. Promiscuity, drug abuse and gambling are also signs of a sociopath. I am not sure if these apply to Robert but most likely at least one does.)
9. Callousness/Lack of Empathy. ( No matter how much harm Robert brings on people he does not care nor does he feel sorry. When someone is in distress he will take advantage of it pretending to care, creepy but true)
10. Poor Behavioral Control/Impulsive Nature. (This includes rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for the abuser and the abused as well as creating hopefulness in the victim. Robert will most likely do this to his wife he will abuse her verbally, emotionally or physically and she will become addicted to this behavior. Robert believes he is all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish and want with no sense of personal boundaries and no concern on how it will affect others. Robert feels he is a doctor and this well educated preacher which is not true. He will use religion to get what he want and feels he deserves what ever he wants and gets all while not feeling an ounce of pity for the people he is hurting in the process)
11. Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency ( They will have a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, which is probably why Robert fabricates his education, all while getting by through conning others. Sociopaths have difficulties with keeping friends, sure Robert can smooth talk for a while but eventually people get to know him and realize they don't care for him. Robert will then and most sociopaths will move on to a new job in this case new churches to find new victims.
12. Irresponsible/Unreliability (Robert has no concern if he ruins the lives and dreams of others. He is oblivious to the devastation he has caused others and continues to cause.He won't accept blame he would rather put the blame on someone else never being accountable for his actions.)
13. Lack of Realistic Life Plans/Parasitic Lifestyle (This is described as someone who moves around a lot, I'm not making this up, and Robert does just that moves from host to host like a parasite. He has a poor work ethic but he can exploit others with ease.
14. Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility ( Changes in their image to blend in or avoid prosecution. Robert claims to be a doctor to counsel others and then he may appear to be a preacher or say he was in a rehab in California. Changes in life story readily. Anyone who truly knows Robert knows he changes his life story all the time, admit it or your just as bad as he is.)
There you go all the characteristics of a sociopath according to the American Psychiatric and Psychology Organization. They have done years of research and studied many sociopaths such as Jeffery Domer and others. There it is in black and white if you don't believe me and my supporters at least believe the professional, consider it, something, he is getting away with more and more everyday you can help stop him. If you consider yourself close to Robert help j=him before someone gets hurt which I am sure has already happened. He needs help and he won't stop if you all keep justifying his behavior is is not acceptable. Say something and make a difference you are not helping anyone by sitting back and keeping quite if you know something do something about it, you will feel better in the end. Don't let him make you feel sorry for him because he doesn't feel sorry for anyone he hurts.
Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.
The Psychopath next door
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.
http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.
Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.
Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.
The Psychopath next door
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.
http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.
Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.
Here is more on psychopaths and malignant personality and how not all of them are murders and that some may be living in your house. Robert posses many of the traits from many disorders but his family and others close to him will be able to better identify which disorder he may have. Please help him, saying nothing is making him worse, eventually he may start to think he is God and become more disturbed than ever.
The Psychopath next door
Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late.
Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want, " says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me."
Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment.
Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people, " adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder.
Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman.
The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game.
The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat, " says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker."
No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact, " he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop.
Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job.
How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior."
Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.'
Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack, " but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on.
http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: This is Robert too.
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.
If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately!
(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened.
Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available.
(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands.
Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best.
(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business.
(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media.
Make your own conclusions this is information only not health advice please seek help from a medical proffessional not someone who calls themselves a doctor, a real doctor with a P.H.D. This is to provide informative material for those interested, this is not medical advice.
Steve you and anyone else are entitled to Speak your mind and defend your friend. My friends can support me and that is all it is support. I am in pain since I lost my son to addiction. Conning does not only involve money conning involves lies and pretending to be something you are not. But you and anyone else are welcome on this site and any other site. Freedom of speech was meant fir all Americans. I can understand how Robert has you and others believing he is a good godly person. I am on no witch hunt nor am I in a cult I am just a man standing up and speaking out. Thank you for your prayers.
I am not tring to appear proffessional what are you talking about? This is just one in a billion websites. And if Robert is not going to stop doing his supposing gods work than this blog won't stop him like you said. None is looking to be proffessional and if I didn't just get out of the hospital I would love to visit his now look this is how you spell facilities and give my this is how you spell testimony. You must be Robert cause you spelled testimony like testimoney see money is always on hos mind, so there are misspelled words it's a blog not a book report. I would love to be proven wrong but all the information that was given to me by people that know him personally, the real Robert can't all be wrong. Your stories about him change and theirs are consistent. Some have known and lived with him. Relax Robert it's just a blog you'll get the se amount of "donation" . And granny444 said he and other criminals may have secret accounts she never said Robert has secret accounts for sure. I hope and pray to god I'm wrong but I'm afraid I'm not. I'm done going back and forth with you I said what I needed to. This could have been over and you know that Robert but you had to become tracker20 and try to track me. Well you have my attention.
I'm sure the pastor read it seeing that he wrote it or is over your shoulder telling you what to write. The only thing said about his wife was that she is one of his victims and you want me to stop fine. I don't have any more to say it's all been said but someone that is recently close to Robert knows I'm not lying. You all can live with yourselves. Everyone it's called off there is no reason to continue your right we can't judge you but you know who can and it's not going to be pretty. They have your reservation there is a room reserved for you. You'll be amongst celebrities which is something I'm sure you will enjoy. Let's see your room will be right between Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. I'm sure you all will get along nicely. Cause I'm done if no one can admit the truth your right I am wasting my time because this Robert is much more evil than I thought. Write what you want and make all the crazy claims about Robert being this wonderful man. I'm not buying it. Nor will I come back and read all of your defensive lies. I can't change the world or make people like Robert stop hurting people I don't know what made me think I could. When I lost my son my life ended right there and I thought if I could donate to all these charities that help children with addictions especially faith based treatment, that I was going to feel alive again and that my life would have a purpose again. Who was I kidding I have cancer so I just wanted to leave my mark and help others so they don't have to suffer like I have. The world is a cold place and it makes me feel much better about knowing I'm going to die very soon. I'm not afaird any more. I am afraid of what the world has become and the lack of compassion and realness in society today. I won't waste my last months on earth fighting with Robert Flores or anyone else I'm going to continue working for my son and doing all I can to help children overcome addiction. You did help me see that Steve or whoever you are I can use my pain and experience to help others and that's what I will continue to do I should never have stopped to mess with this horrible person who doesn't care at all. I'm done I'm not coming back to this site anymore I realize that cons are just that good, they can put people under their spell and they'll believe anything. I hope you are all happy.
New name, it scams.
I want to thank all of you for supporting me and being there during the rough times. I was in the hospital as some of you knew and thank you for all of the get well cards and support. Apparently while I was in the hospital I received new information from you all about Robert Flores and his newest scams. I was receiving messages from the screen name tracker20 he claimed to be a boyfriend of some women that was in Robert’s rehab program and asked me for help. I knew it was Robert and went along with it a bit, and then just got fed up. Well tracker20 is someone hired by Robert to track my email, which is j.cooperfu@gmail.com for reasons unknown. I believe it is because Robert knows the truth is coming to light and it is making him nervous. Even if he found out where I lived and anything else about me, it would not affect me in any way I am doing nothing that is illegal if anyone is breaking the law its Mr. Flores. I am exercising my freedom of speech, I have not threatened Mr. Flores all I am trying to accomplish is getting people to see the real Robert Flores, that my friend is not illegal. This may be why he changed the names of his programs so we must be doing something right his false teen challenge site was shut down after I spoke with the real teen challenge who then contacted Mr. Flores and well end result the site was shut down. This was a positive but my supporters and followers have recently informed me that Robert is running the same scams just under new names. Tracker20 who Robert or one of his sheep were posing as claimed Robert opened a women’s’ rehab which I did not believe but I have been informed he has. Robert also began a new church I am unsure if it is his church or if he is just a pastor. The site says that it was created by Robert Flores so he created the site and his picture is included on the site as well. Robert has opened a women’s’ center in Lawrenceburg while his men’s’ center apparently remains in Columbia. I have gotten messages asking how he is doing all of this and why he is not caught. Well everyone I am sorry to say that it takes time for bad people to get caught like in my example of Robert and Tammy Fay Baker they had a huge following and traveled all over the world making millions and they did it for a while. It took much time but eventually they were caught. I request all of you to watch American Greed it is a television program about people that run scams and some of them are religious scams like Robert’s. In the con world Robert is small time believe it or not, seeing that he does not own anything and has to rent goes to show how small time he really is. The fact that he moves around in the same area as much he has shows his criminal ways but what he does is rents building or talks people into putting things in their names so there is no connection to him. Robert is not really stupid he is smart when it comes to being a criminal but very dumb when it comes to academics and business sense. He has no idea what he is doing and it really shows. What he does to make himself look or seem intelligent is that Robert surrounds himself with people that are not that educated like his wife. She may be nice or seem nice but lets face it she is not the brightest crayon in the box. When Robert encounters someone that does have intelligence he shuts down it is one of his weaknesses. If you go around calling yourself a doctor you better be able to back it up and show your doctor status. To someone that never graduated from high school Robert may seem smart to him or her but someone that has some education can see right through him. People like me and my followers who have seen all the evidence and helped me with the research on Mr. Flores can all see and realize Robert is really full of it. In the beginning it makes you laugh to see someone so stupid con so many people. But in all it is a sad situation especially for me and others that have lost family members to addiction. Many of you know my story that I lost my one and only child to addiction my son was a drug user and I did not see the signs. Since then I try my best to help families that have been victims of addiction. That is how I came in contact with Mr. Flores I was looking for a small rehab that was faith based and that was in need of funds to do God’s work. Well I accidentally contacted the wrong Teen Challenge looking for Mr. Flores and they told me there was no teen challenges in Columbia Tennessee nor was there a program leader named Robert Flores. I told them about his website and that is when I realized I have been conned. The research on Mr. Flores then began and that is how I found out that he is a liar and that he is just using others weaknesses for his benefit. I posted questions about Mr. Flores to some of the names that came up during my search some replied back to me and some did not. I heard very few positives on Mr. Flores and was taken back by what kind of person he really is. He tells people that know him “I can con anyone and I’m good at being a con”. Which is partly true. There are many that have caught onto him and know who he really is. One person that knows him was one of his children, which I met through a social networking site. I promised them I would not reveal their identity so I will respect their request. It was heartbreaking what they had to say. They said to Robert and people that know him his real children don’t exists they said he has a new family now and he will not claim them. They said he would not even be paying his child support if it weren’t for the fact that he was arrested about four years ago and put in jail for failure to pay his child support. This was all after Robert claimed to be living a clean sober Godly life, so that goes to show he is a liar. They said if Robert did not go to jail he would not be paying his child support. Even though he is paying the support he won’t see his children they said they rarely see him and that he does not call and that they needed him during their teen years. Children need their fathers and the fact that Robert stands in front of the congregation and preaches about living a pure Godly life all while he is not. I am sorry to say that fatherhood is more that writing a check and even if your wife doesn’t want you to see your children you need to do what is right. Children don’t ask to be born they don’t have the same choice you had of whether or not to make a child. If that is not bad enough he apparently adopted a child about five years ago, and treats her great and is a father to her. His child then said that I see Robert with his family in their nice houses and having nice things while going on many family vacations, and ask myself why am I not good enough to have that life too. That is heartbreaking he claims to be this great person when actually he is a coward that can’t take care of his own children.
That is how I found out about Robert Flores so tracker20 bring it on come find me I have not done nothing wrong. It seems like Robert is desperate to stop me telling the truth but I won’t be stopped until Robert tells the truth. He can be forgiven and live the way he claims he is living, but it will never happen unless he tells the truth. Back to his newest scams. I am posting all links to his new sites as well as contact information for anyone that wishes to contact Mr. Flores. I am hoping that Clark Kent will give me more information. He wants to but he says he is scared of Robert. Apparently Robert uses the men from his rehab to not only do work for him while Robert collects their pay, but will also use them as intimidations he will send them to threaten people. Clark seems to be a good 25 year old that just got caught up with the wrong person while trying to accomplish his dreams. I appreciate everyone who has helped me I know my son is looking down on me from heaven with a smile on his face. He knows his dad is someone with determination and will do what he has to. I care that is why I am telling the truth about Robert I am not getting anything from doing this, I am not benefiting or getting paid. Robert has not done anything personally to me so I am not getting revenge I just want the truth about him out there whether or not others want to believe it, at least I did what I could.
Here is the newest information on Robert Flores.
I did say I was done with Robert but that was before he hired someone to track me and before I spoke to one of his children. I am the voice of that child that Robert has hurt and continues to hurt.
Website and contact information of his church Triumph church
825 9th Street
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: info@triumphchurch.biz
The picture of him in the hat is from the site above, this is according to a person that knows him, Robert Flores. They sent the pic to me but I was having trouble opening it so they said I could go to the above site and get it there.
Robert’s new women’s’ rehab center Triumph Recovery Center contact information and website
The picture of the house with the red car in the vehicle I assume is the center.
Address:
519 N. Military
Lawrenceburg, TN 38464
Phone: [protected]
Fax:
Email: info@triumphrecovery.com
Website: http://triumphrecovery.com/
This last site was also on the women’s’ rehab site that apparently is in California. How I have no idea. It is supposedly a faith base organization called life challenge, which Robert claims to have changed his program name from teen challenge to life challenge, which is also the name on his My Space page. Robert Flores designed the site so it has to be linked to him. It seems to be some school but I am unsure why it is located in California. I know he has or had a men’s’ rehab in Columbia called team challenge which was also a school and rehab. It just shows all of his inconsistencies, which also mean lies.
Here is the welcome statement:
Welcome!
Our parish site exists to meet the needs of its members, and to help those members in times of hardship. We worship together as a community of believers. We support one another’s values and beliefs. We nurture the faith of our members in a variety of ways, including adult education programs, a parish grammar school, and guided education for school students.
Contact us:
3375 Edison Way
Menlo Park, CA 94025
Phone: [protected]
Fax: [protected]
Website: http://www.lifechallenge.biz/aboutus.html
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Sir, thankyou for your resposnse.since you have brought this out and put your name behind it i do have a few questions for you.
1]have you ever been to any of these facilitys?
2]do you have any idea how many people that go through this program are saved from there addiction?
3]dont you think it would be better to speak to these people and give youre testimoney.so maybe it might have an impact on there life?
4]do you think if a mans trying to lead people to God then in fact he is a Godly person and hes doing Gods work.
5]Dont you feel that attacking the facilitys and the church you sholud have some evidence on what wrong is being done and not just attacking him as a person.if the center and the church is changing lives why attack them at all.
{sir i do feel for any loss youve had to endure but i cant help but feel that how much your testimoney may help those lost to drug addictions.and my final question.}
6]what would JESUS do?
we are suppose to be as christ is.and when christians come together and argue or bare false witness it canot be of God.Its only of the flesh.So i guess my stand is dont be quick to judge, because thats the measure you could be judged in.
I agree Brenda
Dude really you should not give out your phone number. If you say your a real person fine I don't care what you are. We can post what ever we like and so can you. Seriously I do not think anyone should post any personal information it is not safe since the info is now public. But you can say what ever you like and we are not in a cult, not all people that post complaints about people are on a witch hunt or in a cult. Your not making much sense when you say how can someone say something bad about a pastor or whatever, if the pastor is impostor you can say what ever you like. I doubt we are going to hell, we are not using religion as a means to get what we want. After reading the information on what a sociopath is, I believe Robert may not be concerned about just money, he seems to have a God complex and he is the one forming a cult. He thinks so highly of himself that he probably gets more satisfaction out of getting people to believe his lies than he does making money off his lies. Plus if someone is doing criminal behavior I on't think they are going to flash it, they will move to a small area where they can hide and they will have nice things but not nice enough to raise suspicions. I appreciate your prayers though.
Very true Jerry speaking your mind is not considered as a witch hunt or being in a cult. Steve you are able to say what you like just as we do so and we will not criticize you for doing so. Also I don't believe our discussions on Mr. Flores were only about money and what material possessions he has. When you are a liar, that does not mean you are rich. Robert Baker had a lot of material possessions but just like Robert Flores he would rent and put things in others names. The Flores family is far from struggling you can tell from the picture of the rehab if that is what their rehab looks like I could only imagine what their home looks like. Cons won't show what they have like normal working people because they don't want people to catch on to their cons and scams. Liars like Robert plan things to appear they are struggling while they have a big bank account in someone else's name, and as they sit back laughing at all their victims, like you Steve. Robert is good at conning that is all he is good at and I'm sorry to see you believe him and I'm sure he has others that fall for his lies and that is sad. All we can do is get the word out there. And to speak about a preacher is not bad if your exposing their lies.
hello first off i'd like to say before i ever accused a man of God of a crime i would surely have proof not just hearsay.
To have a con or scam there must be some money involved and from what im reading he has nothing more than what any normal person would have.wheres the payoff you compare him with tammy faye baker and then say hes renting a home please that sounds so crazy.you say hes running 2 facilitys and hes a pastor of a church.well i hope some money is coming in, everything cant be free rent, lights, food, transportation, rehabilitation programs and this mans renting a house!
I dont claim to be a perfect christian, im just flesh and blood.i make mistakes but to come right out and slander a man of god with no proof i feel for you and your cult of so called followers.i will follow jesus and your followers can follow you. i will say if you had some sort of proof then i would listen.not judge just listen.for bearing false witness would be a sin not taken lightly.but to bear false witness on a man of god and cause him to stumble while he is trying to do the lords work.would surely anger the lord.thats why i feel sorry for you and anyone that would say they follow you.but if you think jesus would publicly expose this man with trivial games and theories or to bring his past up, Before he knew christ.well people i feel for you and you will be in my prayers.im just glad that my god has mercy because i ask for it alot.and i will ask for it for you, while youre on this witch hunt.but i will leave this for you to think about, how close would you be with the lord if you spent half the energy you used on trying to discredit this one man, and used just half in the word.just think what kinda person you would be.i dont know what kinda pain is in your heart but i can tell you that only through forgiveness can be healed.and if youre that worried about whats going on down at these centers why dont you spend some time down there as a volunteer, im sure with 2 centers and a church they could use the help.Also you said you just got out of the hospital maybe thats got something to do with you slandering this man, you never know how god will allow things to happen to someone whos disrupting a mans path.whos doing GODS work!well if you have any questions for me i am a real person that you can call my number is [protected] steve
I will check it out. But I have better news. The office building I work in has web and graphic designers and I am friends with one of the guys who did my companies website and I sent him an email about Robert Flores and his many scams and he is willing to, MAKE A WEBSITE ALL DEDICATED TO THE SCAMS OF RBERT FLORES. I know its great isn't it. The site will also be a memorial to your son and other children lost to addiction my office is taking up a fund to send to the real Teen Challenge and this is all only the beginning. The site will expose all who exploit religion, addiction, and children as well. Robert will be our first loser on the site and more will be posted as word gets out about the site. We will not stop until the ### in this world like Robert Flores does, for every ### there are hundreds that speak out against ###. Robert will not prevail we will.
I will check it out. But I have better news. The office building I work in has web and graphic designers and I am friends with one of the guys who did my companies website and I sent him an email about Robert Flores and his many scams and he is willing to, MAKE A WEBSITE ALL DEDICATED TO THE SCAMS OF RBERT FLORES. I know its great isn't it. The site will also be a memorial to your son and other children lost to addiction my office is taking up a fund to send to the real Teen Challenge and this is all only the beginning. The site will expose all who exploit religion, addiction, and children as well. Robert will be our first loser on the site and more will be posted as word gets out about the site. We will not stop until the ### in this world like Robert Flores does, for every ### there are hundreds that speak out against ###. Robert will not prevail we will.
I will check it out. But I have better news. The office building I work in has web and graphic designers and I am friends with one of the guys who did my companies website and I sent him an email about Robert Flores and his many scams and he is willing to, MAKE A WEBSITE ALL DEDICATED TO THE SCAMS OF RBERT FLORES. I know its great isn't it. The site will also be a memorial to your son and other children lost to addiction my office is taking up a fund to send to the real Teen Challenge and this is all only the beginning. The site will expose all who exploit religion, addiction, and children as well. Robert will be our first loser on the site and more will be posted as word gets out about the site. We will not stop until the ### in this world like Robert Flores does, for every ### there are hundreds that speak out against ###. Robert will not prevail we will.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
I'm with you.
K will do.
K will do
K, will do.
I'm on my way.
Here are the pictures Jerry, the ones that did not load properly on your comment. The one of Robert Flores and the Triumph Rehab. Let's see how quick he shuts down these websites, he shut down his fake teen challenge website pretty quick once we exposed him and his lies.
Here are the pictures Jerry, the ones that did not load properly on your comment. The one of Robert Flores and the Triumph Rehab. Let's see how quick he shuts down these websites, he shut down his fake teen challenge website pretty quick once we exposed him and his lies.
Here are the pictures Jerry, the ones that did not load properly on your comment. The one of Robert Flores and the Triumph Rehab. Let's see how quick he shuts down these websites, he shut down his fake teen challenge website pretty quick once we exposed him and his lies.
Hey Jerry I'll check out those sites but for some reason the pictures you posted are not showing up well just email the attachments to me and I will repost them. Stay strong and there is nothing Robert can do to you, freedom of speech is legal I'm sure Robert is not too familiar with the laws cause if he was he would not being doing some, well most of the things he is doing. Its on, have you seen the newest posts on your blog there are 14 new members just in the last hour. People can not stand when people become pastors and then use religion to make money, Robert is hiding behind religion. Did any one inform Mr. Flores of these new postings, I don't have a personal email address for him but there are two listed on your post and maybe I should send him some links, cause I am waiting for him to get angry and scared like a little boy. Hey Robert you made your bed and now you have to lay in it. You wanted to be a famous pastor, or famous doctor, or whatever your calling yourself these days, and this comes with it, people will find out your lies. Doctor what a joke. Robert your just a big joke. I was looking back on the posts from the Teen Challenge Not a Real Teen Challenge thread, you know the one where you made up a bunch of screen names and pretended to be people that like you, none really likes you. Well you made a statement that you and your family have gone hungry just so you could feed other families, which everyone knows is bull, but then you made another post pretending to be your sister saying, Ya Robert is a little big, he's from the south so he likes to eat. Which you are not technically from the south, unless you mean south of the boarder than sure your from the south, what ever lie makes you feel good. Well if your starving yourself and your family, why are you over weight, I mean I'm no skinny stick, but I also don't go around telling lies, about how I went hungry to feed some orphans. Seriously you are loosing track of your lies Robert when you have so many lies, that tends to happen, you forget one lie and then its a vicious cycle. Called getting caught up in your lies. Have nice day
Oh Robert your not a found person like the screen name you made up last time, your a found out person, use that screen name it fits you.
Oh Robert your not a found person like the screen name you made up last time, your a found out person, use that screen name it fits you.
Hey Jerry I'll check out those sites but for some reason the pictures you posted are not showing up well just email the attachments to me and I will repost them. Stay strong and there is nothing Robert can do to you, freedom of speech is legal I'm sure Robert is not too familiar with the laws cause if he was he would not being doing some, well most of the things he is doing. Its on, have you seen the newest posts on your blog there are 14 new members just in the last hour. People can not stand when people become pastors and then use religion to make money, Robert is hiding behind religion. Did any one inform Mr. Flores of these new postings, I don't have a personal email address for him but there are two listed on your post and maybe I should send him some links, cause I am waiting for him to get angry and scared like a little boy. Hey Robert you made your bed and now you have to lay in it. You wanted to be a famous pastor, or famous doctor, or whatever your calling yourself these days, and this comes with it, people will find out your lies. Doctor what a joke. Robert your just a big joke. I was looking back on the posts from the Teen Challenge Not a Real Teen Challenge thread, you know the one where you made up a bunch of screen names and pretended to be people that like you, none really likes you. Well you made a statement that you and your family have gone hungry just so you could feed other families, which everyone knows is bull, but then you made another post pretending to be your sister saying, Ya Robert is a little big, he's from the south so he likes to eat. Which you are not technically from the south, unless you mean south of the boarder than sure your from the south, what ever lie makes you feel good. Well if your starving yourself and your family, why are you over weight, I mean I'm no skinny stick, but I also don't go around telling lies, about how I went hungry to feed some orphans. Seriously you are loosing track of your lies Robert when you have so many lies, that tends to happen, you forget one lie and then its a vicious cycle. Called getting caught up in your lies. Have nice day
Oh Robert your not a found person like the screen name you made up last time, your a found out person, use that screen name it fits you.
Hey Jerry I'll check out those sites but for some reason the pictures you posted are not showing up well just email the attachments to me and I will repost them. Stay strong and there is nothing Robert can do to you, freedom of speech is legal I'm sure Robert is not too familiar with the laws cause if he was he would not being doing some, well most of the things he is doing. Its on, have you seen the newest posts on your blog there are 14 new members just in the last hour. People can not stand when people become pastors and then use religion to make money, Robert is hiding behind religion. Did any one inform Mr. Flores of these new postings, I don't have a personal email address for him but there are two listed on your post and maybe I should send him some links, cause I am waiting for him to get angry and scared like a little boy. Hey Robert you made your bed and now you have to lay in it. You wanted to be a famous pastor, or famous doctor, or whatever your calling yourself these days, and this comes with it, people will find out your lies. Doctor what a joke. Robert your just a big joke. I was looking back on the posts from the Teen Challenge Not a Real Teen Challenge thread, you know the one where you made up a bunch of screen names and pretended to be people that like you, none really likes you. Well you made a statement that you and your family have gone hungry just so you could feed other families, which everyone knows is bull, but then you made another post pretending to be your sister saying, Ya Robert is a little big, he's from the south so he likes to eat. Which you are not technically from the south, unless you mean south of the boarder than sure your from the south, what ever lie makes you feel good. Well if your starving yourself and your family, why are you over weight, I mean I'm no skinny stick, but I also don't go around telling lies, about how I went hungry to feed some orphans. Seriously you are loosing track of your lies Robert when you have so many lies, that tends to happen, you forget one lie and then its a vicious cycle. Called getting caught up in your lies. Have nice day
Ok Jerry I will get my granddaughter to help me I am not very good with the computers but you are a long time friend and if you are posting these comments its for a reason. Also what does this Mr. Flores expect to happen if he finds you, have the police take to jail with your walker and right after you got out of the hospital? I don't think so he is just throwing out empty threats. My friend from bridge made a funny joke for an old women, she said" Take the name Robert and remove the "t" at the end and what do you get? ROBER."*** I know what he is doing is not funny but when something like this is happening you need to have a simple laugh. Jerry you really have your supporters on your blog there has to be at least two hundred people supporting you and most of them never met you. Like you said you have nothing to gain from posting these posts so there is no reason for you to lie, Robert is the liar and he has a lot to loose so sure he is going to defend his lies cause if they were true, he would know that in his heart and not worry about what other people are saying. It all goes to show how scared and nervous he is because the truth is getting out there. I am also researching some more sites for you to post, well my daughter is.
Ok Jerry I will get my granddaughter to help me I am not very good with the computers but you are a long time friend and if you are posting these comments its for a reason. Also what does this Mr. Flores expect to happen if he finds you, have the police take to jail with your walker and right after you got out of the hospital? I don't think so he is just throwing out empty threats. My friend from bridge made a funny joke for an old women, she said" Take the name Robert and remove the "t" at the end and what do you get? ROBER."*** I know what he is doing is not funny but when something like this is happening you need to have a simple laugh. Jerry you really have your supporters on your blog there has to be at least two hundred people supporting you and most of them never met you. Like you said you have nothing to gain from posting these posts so there is no reason for you to lie, Robert is the liar and he has a lot to loose so sure he is going to defend his lies cause if they were true, he would know that in his heart and not worry about what other people are saying. It all goes to show how scared and nervous he is because the truth is getting out there. I am also researching some more sites for you to post, well my daughter is.
Ok Jerry I will get my granddaughter to help me I am not very good with the computers but you are a long time friend and if you are posting these comments its for a reason. Also what does this Mr. Flores expect to happen if he finds you, have the police take to jail with your walker and right after you got out of the hospital? I don't think so he is just throwing out empty threats. My friend from bridge made a funny joke for an old women, she said" Take the name Robert and remove the "t" at the end and what do you get? ROBER."*** I know what he is doing is not funny but when something like this is happening you need to have a simple laugh. Jerry you really have your supporters on your blog there has to be at least two hundred people supporting you and most of them never met you. Like you said you have nothing to gain from posting these posts so there is no reason for you to lie, Robert is the liar and he has a lot to loose so sure he is going to defend his lies cause if they were true, he would know that in his heart and not worry about what other people are saying. It all goes to show how scared and nervous he is because the truth is getting out there. I am also researching some more sites for you to post, well my daughter is.
Hey guys glad to see you back in action. Ok I believe in rehabilitation just like the next person but not all ex-cons can be rehabilitated and this is a good example of that. I mean are people really finding it that hard to believe that Robert Flores is conning people. Come on let's think here an ex- con and drug addict, very possible he is running scams and just saying he has changed his life. My sister is a corrections officer and I spoke to her about this Robert Flores and she said many people in prison find religion while they are behind bars because let's face it there not there for being upstanding citizens. She said they will find religion while locked up and then when they get released their criminal minds take over and religion is not that important anymore. This is probably what Robert dis he found religion but instead of just giving it up ge used his criminal mind to use religion to make money. He figured who is going to hire a felon so I need a scam and religion was what he chose. He chose a small town where he would bot be noticable enough to raise suspcisous but big enough to get people to believe his scams and make money from it. He picks people that are not too bright and that value religion and now he is using the fact that he was an addict to claim to care about other addicts and start a rehab to make money from. Robert finds weaknesses in others such as religion and addiction and exploits them to make money all while saying he is doing gods work. This is a typical scam that is ran by many especially ex-cons who do not want to work or know they will have a hard time finding employement. He found the perfect scam and the perfect town to run it in. What he didn't figure is that now he's put his name out there and he's getting more greedy. It wasn't enough to have a small rehab and be a pastor at some church no not Robert he has to have more being a preacher isn't good enough he wants his own church and one rehab is not enough he wants to have two. The problem with people like Robert is that it's never enough and they start to want more and more and that my friend gets peoples attention and your no longer operating in a small town and only they know of you. By him having all these sites and scams going on he will be spread too thin and his lies will be harder and harder to keep up with. It's all coming to light and why this is well Robert will never be satisfied and he wll always want more money. He is the one ruining it fir himself through greed and I am positive he will get caught and his lies will be revealed cause he'll want more and more so we don't have to be the ones to expose him cause he's doing that on his own. But we can help reveal him but he's the one doing the work. Like realdeal said it's only a matter of when. This will all come crashing down much faster and harder than it was for him to build the lies and scams. I am all in on exposing him just let me know what I can do.
Hey guys glad to see you back in action. Ok I believe in rehabilitation just like the next person but not all ex-cons can be rehabilitated and this is a good example of that. I mean are people really finding it that hard to believe that Robert Flores is conning people. Come on let's think here an ex- con and drug addict, very possible he is running scams and just saying he has changed his life. My sister is a corrections officer and I spoke to her about this Robert Flores and she said many people in prison find religion while they are behind bars because let's face it there not there for being upstanding citizens. She said they will find religion while locked up and then when they get released their criminal minds take over and religion is not that important anymore. This is probably what Robert dis he found religion but instead of just giving it up ge used his criminal mind to use religion to make money. He figured who is going to hire a felon so I need a scam and religion was what he chose. He chose a small town where he would bot be noticable enough to raise suspcisous but big enough to get people to believe his scams and make money from it. He picks people that are not too bright and that value religion and now he is using the fact that he was an addict to claim to care about other addicts and start a rehab to make money from. Robert finds weaknesses in others such as religion and addiction and exploits them to make money all while saying he is doing gods work. This is a typical scam that is ran by many especially ex-cons who do not want to work or know they will have a hard time finding employement. He found the perfect scam and the perfect town to run it in. What he didn't figure is that now he's put his name out there and he's getting more greedy. It wasn't enough to have a small rehab and be a pastor at some church no not Robert he has to have more being a preacher isn't good enough he wants his own church and one rehab is not enough he wants to have two. The problem with people like Robert is that it's never enough and they start to want more and more and that my friend gets peoples attention and your no longer operating in a small town and only they know of you. By him having all these sites and scams going on he will be spread too thin and his lies will be harder and harder to keep up with. It's all coming to light and why this is well Robert will never be satisfied and he wll always want more money. He is the one ruining it fir himself through greed and I am positive he will get caught and his lies will be revealed cause he'll want more and more so we don't have to be the ones to expose him cause he's doing that on his own. But we can help reveal him but he's the one doing the work. Like realdeal said it's only a matter of when. This will all come crashing down much faster and harder than it was for him to build the lies and scams. I am all in on exposing him just let me know what I can do.
Hey guys glad to see you back in action. Ok I believe in rehabilitation just like the next person but not all ex-cons can be rehabilitated and this is a good example of that. I mean are people really finding it that hard to believe that Robert Flores is conning people. Come on let's think here an ex- con and drug addict, very possible he is running scams and just saying he has changed his life. My sister is a corrections officer and I spoke to her about this Robert Flores and she said many people in prison find religion while they are behind bars because let's face it there not there for being upstanding citizens. She said they will find religion while locked up and then when they get released their criminal minds take over and religion is not that important anymore. This is probably what Robert dis he found religion but instead of just giving it up ge used his criminal mind to use religion to make money. He figured who is going to hire a felon so I need a scam and religion was what he chose. He chose a small town where he would bot be noticable enough to raise suspcisous but big enough to get people to believe his scams and make money from it. He picks people that are not too bright and that value religion and now he is using the fact that he was an addict to claim to care about other addicts and start a rehab to make money from. Robert finds weaknesses in others such as religion and addiction and exploits them to make money all while saying he is doing gods work. This is a typical scam that is ran by many especially ex-cons who do not want to work or know they will have a hard time finding employement. He found the perfect scam and the perfect town to run it in. What he didn't figure is that now he's put his name out there and he's getting more greedy. It wasn't enough to have a small rehab and be a pastor at some church no not Robert he has to have more being a preacher isn't good enough he wants his own church and one rehab is not enough he wants to have two. The problem with people like Robert is that it's never enough and they start to want more and more and that my friend gets peoples attention and your no longer operating in a small town and only they know of you. By him having all these sites and scams going on he will be spread too thin and his lies will be harder and harder to keep up with. It's all coming to light and why this is well Robert will never be satisfied and he wll always want more money. He is the one ruining it fir himself through greed and I am positive he will get caught and his lies will be revealed cause he'll want more and more so we don't have to be the ones to expose him cause he's doing that on his own. But we can help reveal him but he's the one doing the work. Like realdeal said it's only a matter of when. This will all come crashing down much faster and harder than it was for him to build the lies and scams. I am all in on exposing him just let me know what I can do.
Hey all and Jerry. Got the mass email and sent to everyone I know. Just let me know what sites to post to and I'm there. I really think Robert has no idea how many people are behind Jerry and we won't stand for people who use religion to carry out their scams. This guy is a joke and the city lawrenceburg that his is operating in and living in is such a small town that I'm sure he doesn't have nearly as many people supporting his cons than Jerry does supporting the truth. Sure he has people in his church but if any of them read the information we are going to post all over the Internet they may catch on to Roberts scams too. You are absolutely right Jerry people like Robert prey on people that are not so smart or people that may be down on their luck and he uses this to take advantage of them. I'm sure he's got people believing he is working for God and spreading the word and therefore they will defend him but there are people that know he's a liar too. Robert has no respect for religion or God he is just using and exploiting it to get what he wants, money. What a low down person he's no man he's a coward that hides behind others because he is not strong enough. I know the Huntley sisters and they played at his church on June 29th and even those wonderful sweet people said there was something not right about that guy. They are not ones to speak badly about anyone but if they did I could only imagine what they would have to say about Robert Flores. This guy walks around smug thinking he has everyone fooled but let me tell you something Robert Flores you haven't fooled everyone and all your lies and cons are coming to light it's only a matter of when you are caught not what if, cause people will realize who you really are a sleezy con man looking to make a quick buck of others weaknesses. It's only a matter of when and we all will put your lies on every blog and site we can so you better come clean before your caught up and it's too late to appogize. Track that Robert your pitiful.
Hey all and Jerry. Got the mass email and sent to everyone I know. Just let me know what sites to post to and I'm there. I really think Robert has no idea how many people are behind Jerry and we won't stand for people who use religion to carry out their scams. This guy is a joke and the city lawrenceburg that his is operating in and living in is such a small town that I'm sure he doesn't have nearly as many people supporting his cons than Jerry does supporting the truth. Sure he has people in his church but if any of them read the information we are going to post all over the Internet they may catch on to Roberts scams too. You are absolutely right Jerry people like Robert prey on people that are not so smart or people that may be down on their luck and he uses this to take advantage of them. I'm sure he's got people believing he is working for God and spreading the word and therefore they will defend him but there are people that know he's a liar too. Robert has no respect for religion or God he is just using and exploiting it to get what he wants, money. What a low down person he's no man he's a coward that hides behind others because he is not strong enough. I know the Huntley sisters and they played at his church on June 29th and even those wonderful sweet people said there was something not right about that guy. They are not ones to speak badly about anyone but if they did I could only imagine what they would have to say about Robert Flores. This guy walks around smug thinking he has everyone fooled but let me tell you something Robert Flores you haven't fooled everyone and all your lies and cons are coming to light it's only a matter of when you are caught not what if, cause people will realize who you really are a sleezy con man looking to make a quick buck of others weaknesses. It's only a matter of when and we all will put your lies on every blog and site we can so you better come clean before your caught up and it's too late to appogize. Track that Robert your pitiful.
Hey all and Jerry. Got the mass email and sent to everyone I know. Just let me know what sites to post to and I'm there. I really think Robert has no idea how many people are behind Jerry and we won't stand for people who use religion to carry out their scams. This guy is a joke and the city lawrenceburg that his is operating in and living in is such a small town that I'm sure he doesn't have nearly as many people supporting his cons than Jerry does supporting the truth. Sure he has people in his church but if any of them read the information we are going to post all over the Internet they may catch on to Roberts scams too. You are absolutely right Jerry people like Robert prey on people that are not so smart or people that may be down on their luck and he uses this to take advantage of them. I'm sure he's got people believing he is working for God and spreading the word and therefore they will defend him but there are people that know he's a liar too. Robert has no respect for religion or God he is just using and exploiting it to get what he wants, money. What a low down person he's no man he's a coward that hides behind others because he is not strong enough. I know the Huntley sisters and they played at his church on June 29th and even those wonderful sweet people said there was something not right about that guy. They are not ones to speak badly about anyone but if they did I could only imagine what they would have to say about Robert Flores. This guy walks around smug thinking he has everyone fooled but let me tell you something Robert Flores you haven't fooled everyone and all your lies and cons are coming to light it's only a matter of when you are caught not what if, cause people will realize who you really are a sleezy con man looking to make a quick buck of others weaknesses. It's only a matter of when and we all will put your lies on every blog and site we can so you better come clean before your caught up and it's too late to appogize. Track that Robert your pitiful.
Hey Jerry I got your mass email and forwarded to everyone I know. I am not too happy to hear Robert tried to trace you and tracker20 better not even think about joining in this discussion. This is a place for complaints not a place for Roberts Flores to make himself feel better about his scams by defending himself and threatening people to track them. Even if we were all traced what can Robert do? Nothing we are aloud to speak our minds anywhere and however we want to. I say we branch out to more sites I am game. You were ready to let all this go Jerry until Robert tried to track you so Robert you asked for it. Jerry is highly respected within his group and we will defend him not by physical harm but with our words. I will do some research on sites that are similar to this one and then I will contact you Jerry and we can open discussions about Robert Flores all over the Internet. It has only began! What a sorry human being using religion to make a buck.
Hey Jerry I got your mass email and forwarded to everyone I know. I am not too happy to hear Robert tried to trace you and tracker20 better not even think about joining in this discussion. This is a place for complaints not a place for Roberts Flores to make himself feel better about his scams by defending himself and threatening people to track them. Even if we were all traced what can Robert do? Nothing we are aloud to speak our minds anywhere and however we want to. I say we branch out to more sites I am game. You were ready to let all this go Jerry until Robert tried to track you so Robert you asked for it. Jerry is highly respected within his group and we will defend him not by physical harm but with our words. I will do some research on sites that are similar to this one and then I will contact you Jerry and we can open discussions about Robert Flores all over the Internet. It has only began! What a sorry human being using religion to make a buck.
Hey Jerry I got your mass email and forwarded to everyone I know. I am not too happy to hear Robert tried to trace you and tracker20 better not even think about joining in this discussion. This is a place for complaints not a place for Roberts Flores to make himself feel better about his scams by defending himself and threatening people to track them. Even if we were all traced what can Robert do? Nothing we are aloud to speak our minds anywhere and however we want to. I say we branch out to more sites I am game. You were ready to let all this go Jerry until Robert tried to track you so Robert you asked for it. Jerry is highly respected within his group and we will defend him not by physical harm but with our words. I will do some research on sites that are similar to this one and then I will contact you Jerry and we can open discussions about Robert Flores all over the Internet. It has only began! What a sorry human being using religion to make a buck.
I checked out this guys site and he is small time but really has people fooled. I work for children services so I see fathers and even mothers abandone their children just like mr. Flores it seems like he is putting on an act and his children don't fit in with the other cast members. These type of people are not capable of love so I'm almost certain he doesn't love his new family either. He is selfish and everything he does may seem like there being done for others and for good reasons but there not everything he does is to benefit himself in some way. I believe he is a homosexual from the posts on your blog Jerry he has many of the signs that closet homosexuals have like taking on a family front meaning this family is a way for him to hide his true self. It is an all around sad situation for everyone involved he has no idea nor does he care about who he is hurting I feel bad for his new family especially the children involved and if he did adopt a child like you said that adoption agency should be shut down for giving a felon who doesn't pay child support a child. Does any one close to him care for these children, like their mother? Even if she says she doesn't know what mr. Flores is doing she is still with him and still subjecting her children to him. If he is threatening her to stay with him she should go to the authorities because blood money is blood money no matter who spends it. God bless you Jerry and the Flores family you are in our prayers.
I checked out this guys site and he is small time but really has people fooled. I work for children services so I see fathers and even mothers abandone their children just like mr. Flores it seems like he is putting on an act and his children don't fit in with the other cast members. These type of people are not capable of love so I'm almost certain he doesn't love his new family either. He is selfish and everything he does may seem like there being done for others and for good reasons but there not everything he does is to benefit himself in some way. I believe he is a homosexual from the posts on your blog Jerry he has many of the signs that closet homosexuals have like taking on a family front meaning this family is a way for him to hide his true self. It is an all around sad situation for everyone involved he has no idea nor does he care about who he is hurting I feel bad for his new family especially the children involved and if he did adopt a child like you said that adoption agency should be shut down for giving a felon who doesn't pay child support a child. Does any one close to him care for these children, like their mother? Even if she says she doesn't know what mr. Flores is doing she is still with him and still subjecting her children to him. If he is threatening her to stay with him she should go to the authorities because blood money is blood money no matter who spends it. God bless you Jerry and the Flores family you are in our prayers.
I checked out this guys site and he is small time but really has people fooled. I work for children services so I see fathers and even mothers abandone their children just like mr. Flores it seems like he is putting on an act and his children don't fit in with the other cast members. These type of people are not capable of love so I'm almost certain he doesn't love his new family either. He is selfish and everything he does may seem like there being done for others and for good reasons but there not everything he does is to benefit himself in some way. I believe he is a homosexual from the posts on your blog Jerry he has many of the signs that closet homosexuals have like taking on a family front meaning this family is a way for him to hide his true self. It is an all around sad situation for everyone involved he has no idea nor does he care about who he is hurting I feel bad for his new family especially the children involved and if he did adopt a child like you said that adoption agency should be shut down for giving a felon who doesn't pay child support a child. Does any one close to him care for these children, like their mother? Even if she says she doesn't know what mr. Flores is doing she is still with him and still subjecting her children to him. If he is threatening her to stay with him she should go to the authorities because blood money is blood money no matter who spends it. God bless you Jerry and the Flores family you are in our prayers.
Glad to hear from ya Jerry hope u got the card I sent you, I am sickened to see this guy has even more scams going. But not suprised Robert tried to defend himself so much on this site but like you said he can't scam people with intellegence. It may seem like he's on top now but all liars are revealed eventually. Stay strong
Glad to hear from ya Jerry hope u got the card I sent you, I am sickened to see this guy has even more scams going. But not suprised Robert tried to defend himself so much on this site but like you said he can't scam people with intellegence. It may seem like he's on top now but all liars are revealed eventually. Stay strong
Glad to hear from ya Jerry hope u got the card I sent you, I am sickened to see this guy has even more scams going. But not suprised Robert tried to defend himself so much on this site but like you said he can't scam people with intellegence. It may seem like he's on top now but all liars are revealed eventually. Stay strong