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[Resolved] Patrick De Swert / Scammer - No Stock - Phone4Real

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he is a scammer. he never has any stock, will take your money then dissappear. lots of stuff on the web about him!!

Resolution statement

Patrick De Swert did everything in his power to resolve this complaint. All attempts to contact the client have failed. Therefore, this complaint has been annulled and must not be considered where Patrick De Swert's image and services are concerned.

Ra
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Ra
  12th of Mar, 2009
+1 Votes

This is the most ridiculous post from these clowns at phone4real. Real quick Patrick Deswert, and his brother Nico Deswert took over $10, 000usd from our company. We have never had any type of business with these people other than their taking our money on a deal.

Mainstream Trading Co., Inc. has NEVER taken anyones money, if someone paid up front for an order and we could not supply the products we issued them a refund back. We have plenty of records to prove this. Unlike phone4real (Patrick Deswert) who I have plenty of records to show that he TOOK our $10, 000usd and never gave it back. Why, well he says "I thought the deal with going through Martino D'amico (Windy City Electronics), and he owes us (patrick deswert) money". I did not even know a Martino D'amico until this point, and the misdirected actions were just that, misdirected. At that point it would have been applicable to say well sorry, we apologize here are your funds back. No, No, No, this was over 3mo ago and we still do not have any money back from: Patrick Deswert, Nico Deswert, Velta Group (Belgium), phone4real.

Half the other people on this "List of scammers" I will agree with them on and say they are complete scammers. There is only one company on there that I deal with on a regular basis and that is MaddyDaddy Distribution (Matt Lee), great guy out of michigan who has been screwed over a few times just like everyone else. However, one thing I will say is every time I call he picks up the phone, and he does the same for anyone else. This is more than I can say for most people after an unfortunate event has occurred.

Tried to do business with Kevin Reid of Reidcom Inc. Complete joke and waste of time, took an order for $50, 000usd on CC gave in to Jose Silva and Peter Frommer (Classy Electronics) to run. Everyone knows these people are nothing but pure con artist, of course they took the money and are gone, had to do a chargeback. Now Kevin does not even want to stand behind the transaction. Furthermore, Our company actually put up $100, 000usd on Credit Card to Kevin Reid's "Top Supplier" "The Apple iPhone King", Tony aka Toni Jarad (www.appleiphoneking.com.au). Guy is out of Australia total scam, and waste of time. Ended up having to do a chargeback due to the fact he ceased communication, and could not keep is story straight. We are still fighting with the bank over this due to the amount of fraudulent activities this guy has done through his merchant account. They tell us it could be up to 120 days to re-coupe our funds from this ridiculous joke of a company (The Apple iPhone King). What a way to tie up working capital!!!

PS. Patrick I would appreciate your prompt response in taking our name out of your "List of Scammers". Being that we have never conducted any type of business with your company, OTHER THAN YOUR TAKING OF OUR MONEY, and If that makes us scammers you should really have your head checked!!!

PSS. Patrick, please feel free to call us at the number below.

Regards,
Mainstream Trading Co.
+01.888.739.6909

Ra
  12th of Mar, 2009
+1 Votes

First of all, I can only speak about my own experience with Patrick De Swert. Nico De Swert, Dirk Schuurmans, Steven Dewindt were business contacts that he mentionned in his own replies and communications that he made publically. The company he operated under in my specific case is called 'Oromono' and is located in Belgium. My story and comments below therefore do not apply to any other name or company mentionned above. That does not mean that I vowdge for these names that are unknown to me.

Based on my experience I do advise anyone to proceed with great caution whenever doing business with Mr. Patrick De Swert. Especially if a payment in advance is required. Do not be fooled by legitimate looking websites. Over the course of several months he changed the entire look and feel of his website multiple times. Even if your payment directly goes to the so called supplier, even if some sort of legitimate looking logistics company is in between the transaction or if a company is involved that does some sort of stock management and verification. Tripple check everything and don't have blind faith! Mr. De Swert is as smooth as baby oil.

A couple of months ago, Mr. De Swert operated through the website http://www.phoneworldonline.com reselling high-tech products (iPhones, Apple products, HTC phones, etc.) at lower prices. He targeted consumers. When placing an order you had to pay a certain amount in advance, the order was going to be delived in a matter of days. I placed an order and never received anything. I demanded a refund (which is my legal right under local law) but never received anything.

The website is no longer online but the URL www.phoneworldonline.com is now redirecting to www.phone4real.com. The company phone4real appears to be offering high-tech products and targets wholesale buyers. The contact e-mail is a guy named 'Patrick' and the address is still the same.

Dozens of consumers are in exact the same situation as myself, paid money in advance an got nothing in return, waiting for a refund. Some of them filed complaints, others gave up.

So in relation to point 1. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you that he is not telling the truth. I am a buyer, he took my money.

In relation to point 2. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:

The Belgian Government's Economical Inspection (division in Antwerp) confirmed to me the following: following several complaints from customers, they made a visit to Mr. De Swert late 2008 pointing out that he was in violation of national trading law and that he needed to pay these people back. Mr. De Swert showed great willingness and promissed to comply. But, he had to leave the country for a few days for a business trip. He would resolve the issues upon his return. A few months have passed since then and the situation is not resolved. The inspection authorities have tried to get a hold of Mr. De Swert, stopping by at the address that he is referring to dozens of time (so they claim). However, they were unable to get a hold of him. These people just don't ring the bell, they leave letters, notes. If a government instance like that is telling me that they are unable to locate someone, I tend to believe them. I urge you not to take my word for it, you can contact the government's economical inspection in Antwerp at +32.3.206.94.43 on weekdays between 9am and 17pm CET.

In relation to point 3 of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:

I do not have a complete list of all consumers that are in the same situation as myself but from what I can tell, there are a lot of people in my situation. I do urge you to GOOGLE on 'Patrick De Swert' and 'phoneworldonline.com'.

The following website is a notification website where people can report what they believe to be fraud. The word 'internetoplichting' litterally translates to internet fraud. The link http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.0 is a thread dedicated to Mr. De Swert's activities and it lists names of consumers even official case numbers submitted to local police.

These is a Dutch website and I can understand that it is not of much help to English speaking people but I urge you to use the following service http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ which will enable you to translate the website from Dutch To English. Please take your time and browse through these pages. You will find some valuable information.

Other websites are http://miphone.web-log.nl/mijn_weblog/2008/08/nieuw-blogske.html and http://www.9lives.be/forum/apple/587425-phoneworldonline.html

Complaining customers come naturally to doing business. However, these are a lot of complaints in this case and all about goods never received and money never refunded. There is no way you can minimize this situation to a matter of one individual customer that talks bad of you. There are too many websites and too many testimonies of people that tell the same story.

Mr. De Swert's has given many explanations and told some really incredible stories about his setbacks which lead to the current situation. To make a long story short: he claimed to be the victim of a scam himself. All the money that people paid in advance was most likely used to place an order in hong kong (or china) and he claims that he got scammed (loosing a lot of money). He briefly believed that playing the victim role would generate sympathy among consumers and that they would exonerate him from having to pay their money back.

Naturally, consumers did not agree so he started to have an avalanche of really bad luck on a daily basis which naturally delayed his legal obligation to pay people back. He claimed that he was scammed again, suddenly offered the opportunity to people to pay extra money in order to speed things up, then his hard drive containing all consumer contact and payment information fell on the floor and he lost everything, naturally you could not reach most of the time because his mobile phone didn't work well ... the list goes on and on ...

Mr. De Swert claims in his statement above that he is working on the problems but he has been claiming that for months now. He's claiming that he would pay everyone back 'eventually' but message disappeared rapidly. Often he made statements such as 'if I was a scammer, I would not invest so much time in making things right' or 'if I was a scammer, I would be long gone but I'm still here'. He plays the victim role perfectly, always blaming other people, even the consumer. According to his own statements, consumers that file a complaint would not get their money back because they don't deserve it, because it's childisch of them to file a complaint for a couple of 100 Euros and simply because these complaint are really making his life difficult. At some point he blamed the consumer for the situation.

Mr. De Swert has my contact information through my original order information, numerous e-mails and reminders that I have sent him and to which he replied. I did resend all my information again when he dropped his hard drive. If he does not know or can't remember then this is because he does not want to.

I have no alternative motive in telling you this information except to warn other consumers not to make the same mistake.

Don't take my word for it, GOOGLE!

Ra
  12th of Mar, 2009
+2 Votes

1 days ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
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Bericht door: oromono op Maart 10 2009, 17:37:09
Kindjes, dit hebben jullie allemaal aan jullie zelf te danken remeber?? Ik heb door al die roddels het niet makkelijk gehad en nu zijn ze het aan het verkloten op Engelstalige sites.

Sorry vergeet het.

Wacht nog maar een jaartje
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Message posted by Patrick on a dutch complaint board (link -->http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.180) where he says "the people he scammed, it was all their own fault, and now they are posting on english sites and f******g it up for me. Sorry forget it (paying these people bac he means by that). You'll just have to wait for another year"

What an attitude for such a lowlife ! Scamming people it was it was all about from the beginning, even with people in California involved !
19 hours 46 minutes ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
Newest development in Europe from the sitewww internetoplichting.com, posted by a member, this day March 11th :
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Titel: Re: Phoneworldonline
Bericht door: JanBE op Maart 11 2009, 09:38:46
De economische inspectie heeft op 4/3/2009 een proces verbaal opgesteld voor overtredingen van:

- de wet van 14 juli 1991 betreffende de handelspraktijken en de voorlichting en bescherming van de consument.
- de wet van 16 januari 2003 tot oprichting van een Kruispuntbank van Ondernemingen, tot modernisering van het handelsregister, tot oprichting van erkende ondernemingsloketten en houdende diverse bepalingen.
- de wet van 11 maart 2003 betreffende bepaalde juridische as-pecten van de diensten van de informatiemaatschappij.

Dit proces-verbaal werd voor nuttig gevolg doorgestuurd aan de Procureur des Konings bij de Rechtbank van Eerste Aanleg van en te 2000 Antwerpen, Bolivarplaats 20, tel. 03/257.80.11.
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For those victims of phoneworldonline.com now phone4real.com please contact public prosecutor in Antwerp, phone +322578011, office hours !
16 hours 35 minutes ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
RECTIFICATION ; the number of the Public Prosecutor in Belgium handling this case should read :

+32 3 257 80 11 repeat +32 3 257 80 11 !

An
  9th of Apr, 2009
+2 Votes

For people who want to get in touch with other victims of Patrick De Swert / Phoneworldonline / Oronomo /... there is a topic on this forum: http://www.opgelichtopinternet.nl/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1239293499

It is in Dutch, but we made a summary in English, and are glad to switch to English when needed.

Kind regards,
-Vincent

Pa
  16th of Apr, 2009
-2 Votes

For the Record, I have never stolen money from Mainstream trading company.
The cardholder received his money back from AMEX. I have all proof available
So never tell anyone I stole money from you!!
I have never scammed people in Belgium. Because of people claiming that I'm a scammer the put me in jail for almost one month.
I am putting all the proof I have on the internet so people can see that Patrick de Swert is NOT a scammer.

Special thanks on Jonathan Maithai, who is by the way the biggest loser I know in my life.

Best Regards,

Patrick de Swert

Pa
  16th of Apr, 2009
-1 Votes

In het Nederlands, ik ben dus vrijgelaten na een maand gevangenis nadat ik bewezen heb geen oplichter te zijn. Ik kan en ga ook alle bewijzen op het internet plaatsen.

De verhalen die de ronde doen van de amexrun zijn dus flink gelogen, die kaarthouder heeft zijn geld terug van amex, ik ben het dus kwijt.


Groetjes,

Patrick de swert

PS: Speciaal mijn dank aan Jonathan Maitaj

An
  16th of Apr, 2009
+2 Votes

Patrick,
You took 625 euro's from me in August 2008, never delivered any product and never gave me my money back. This is called stealing. I don't care about what you claim about other cases, you have stolen from me and that is enough proof for me.

-Vincent

Pa
  27th of Apr, 2009
0 Votes

Originally Posted by phone4real
CHICAGO WINDY CITY ELECTRONICS ALIAS MARTINO D'AMICO STOLE MONEY FROM MY COMPANY HE IS A SCAMMER/THIEF


Mr Martino d'Amico (Chigaco Windy City Electronics) stole 26.000 US$ from my company. My company ordered 55 Apple iPhone 3G with him. I have send him the money with wire transfer, but he never deliverd one product. He blames it all on his supplier Mike Cortez, and in this way he tries to stay clean and not guilty in this case. Mr Martino d'Amigo keeps saying that he is not responsible for the loss of my money, he told me that I should get my money from Mike Cortez, his supplier. Because Martino took my money and never deliverd any product I got in trouble myself, because my buyers already payed some money for iPhones.

STAY AWAY FROM: MAINSTREAM TRADING (LYLE LIVESAY) & MADDY DADDY (MATT LEE) HUDSON AND QUIN (JUSTERINE) MORGEN INTERNATIONAL MIKE CORTEZ MOHAMED ANIS ALIAS DENNIS AUSTRALIAN LINK GLOBAL TECHNOLOGIES PTY LTD (Rajiv alias Raj)

Regards,
Patrick


Patrick De Swert

Belgium

For more proof please sent a mail to Patrick@phone4real.com

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Pa
  27th of Apr, 2009
0 Votes

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Ra
  28th of Apr, 2009
0 Votes

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

THIS IS TO STATE, THAT I RAJIV CHOUDHARY ALSO CALLED "RAJ" IN HONG KONG THE OWNER OF "SINO LINK GLOBAL TECHNOLOGIES LTD" HONG KONG HAS MET Michiel Briet AND Patrick De Swert on 2 occassions ONLY in Hong Kong. ALL VIEWS ABOVE FROM username: Raj are not mine, and I don't know who this Guy/ Person/ Entity is NOT KNOWN TO ME & has no association with me or my Company. His views about Patrick and Micheal are exclusively his. As far as I am concerned, Me or my company did not find Patrick or Micheal in capacity of scammers. Any actions which Patrick and Micheal take are exclusively their's and have nothing to with me or my company. I was NOT Cheated or SCAMMED By these two individuals.

Any questions please feel free to email me.

Thanks,

Raj

Pa
  28th of Apr, 2009
0 Votes

https://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/jonathan-maithai-broker-and-thief-no-stock-and-lier-c195316.html

Kd
  8th of May, 2009
+1 Votes

Mainstream Trading Co., Inc is a total rip off,

I order 20 iphones from them, they never sent product.

I requested refund 2 months ago!!!


5/8/09 still no refund!

Ma
  14th of May, 2009
0 Votes

Kensley AKA kd13,

This is the biggest load of crap. This individual placed an order with our company. We drop shipped numerous iphones to some of his ebay customers, and have refunded him. Still he sees it necessary to go and make post against our company. I have attached a Wire Confirmation of a partial refund made to this customer. We are now working on getting his remaining balance paid on a business deal that we got burned on. HOWEVER we are still standing behind the order and refunding this individual, and have open communication with this customer.

This sit is FULL of half truth, WHOLE Lies!!!

John Sullivan, Senior Partner
Mainstream Trading Co., Inc.

Ma
  14th of May, 2009
0 Votes

Transfer 3 of 6
DOMESTIC WIRE TRANSFER DETAIL

Initiated By: ... ******68 On Feb 19 2009 At 3:37:29 PM ET
Last Modified By: ... ******67 On Feb 19 2009 At 3:40:05 PM ET
Status: ... Completed
Processed: ... On Feb 19 2009 At 3:45:22 PM ET
Template Name: ...
Transaction ID: ... 20000018
Entry Method: ... User Entry
MTS Advice #: ... 2009021900051304

Amount: ... $ 10, 489.84
Value Date: ... 02/19/2009
Debit Account: ... WBFL *********7560

Receiving Financial Institution
ABA #: ... 121000248
Name: ... WELLS FARGO BANK, NA
City/State/Zip: ... SAN FRANCISCO, CA

Beneficiary
Account #: ... ******1136
Account Name: ... Kensley Finnell
Address Line 1: ...
Address Line 2: ...
Address Line 3: ...
Reference: ...

Originator to Beneficiary Information
Orig/Ben Info: ...


Beneficiary Financial Institution
Account Name: ...
Address Line 1: ...



Transfer 3 of 6

© Wachovia Corporation, 2004

Kd
  14th of May, 2009
+1 Votes

Mainstream trading co. Refund the first order not the second order.

Now money has been sent, i have been asking for 2 months.

5 / 14 / 09 still not money refunded.

Kd
  14th of May, 2009
+1 Votes

RETURN INVOICE PROOF BELOW.

NOTICE REFUND WITHIN 5 DAYS.

Kd
  14th of May, 2009
+1 Votes

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5985/rmakf23032009.jpg

REFUND INVOICE

Pa
  14th of May, 2009
-1 Votes

He told me that i took money from his company, but amex took i back and sent it back to the cardholder. Yes i know he is a big lier.

Kd
  15th of May, 2009
0 Votes

John Sullivan, Senior Partner of mainstream, Why dont you contact me to discuss this issue.

Pa
  15th of May, 2009
-1 Votes

Me?

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