I ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR THEM. AND YES, IT IS A BIG RIP OFF. TO MY SHAME, I WAS THE GUY THAT WOULD CALL YOU AND KEEP YOU ON THE PHONE, FIND YOUR PAIN, RUB SALT IN IT, THEN PAINT A WONDERFUL PICTURE OF HOW IT ALL COULD CHANGE FOR YOU. THEY ARE VERY SLICK, AS I WAS TOO.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO WARN EVERYONE ABOUT "IVY CAPITAL" THEY GO BY MANY DIFFERENT NAMES.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO GO PAY THEM A VISIT, THEY WONT DISCLOSE THEIR REAL LOCATION. THE ADDRESS THEY GIVE YOU IS NOT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
YOU COULD TRY TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION BUT THEYRE ARE VERY GOOD AT COVERING THEIR [censor] LEGALLY. AFTER ALL, YOURE THE ONE THAT AGREED TO INVEST INTO THEIR "COACHING" OH WAIT, IT WASNT YOUR MONEY, IT WAS "OPM" HAHA LOL SO DECEIVING.
I KNOW YOU GUYS(IVY) ARE PROBABLY READING THIS, YOU SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONVICTION BEING THAT MOST OF YOU THERE ARE "MORMONS"
I ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR THEM. AND YES, IT IS A BIG RIP OFF. TO MY SHAME, I WAS THE GUY THAT WOULD CALL YOU AND KEEP YOU ON THE PHONE, FIND YOUR PAIN, RUB SALT IN IT, THEN PAINT A WONDERFUL PICTURE OF HOW IT ALL COULD CHANGE FOR YOU. THEY ARE VERY SLICK, AS I WAS TOO.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO WARN EVERYONE ABOUT "IVY CAPITAL" THEY GO BY SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO GO PAY THEM A VISIT, THEY WONT DISCLOSE THEIR REAL LOCATION. THE ADDRESS THEY GIVE YOU IS NOT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
YOU COULD TRY TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION BUT THEYRE ARE VERY GOOD AT COVERING THEIR [censor] LEGALLY. AFTER ALL, YOURE THE ONE THAT AGREED TO INVEST INTO THEIR "COACHING", YOURE THE ONE WHO SIGNED UP. OH WAIT, IT WASNT YOUR MONEY, IT WAS "OPM" HAHA LOL SO MISLEADING.
WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY ABOUT LEGITIMATE OR SCAM, GOOD OR BAD, WHATEVER. THE TRUTH IS, WITHIN MY FIRST WEEK WORKING THERE I ASKED THE OTHERS IF THEY WOULD INVEST IN THE VERY COACHING THAT WE WERE SELLING AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID "YA RIGHT!" OR "NO WAY!"
TALK ABOUT SALESMAN SELLING WHAT THEY THEMSELVES DONT BELIEVE IN!
I ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR THEM. AND YES, IT IS A BIG RIP OFF. TO MY SHAME, I WAS THE GUY THAT WOULD CALL YOU AND KEEP YOU ON THE PHONE, FIND YOUR PAIN, RUB SALT IN IT, THEN PAINT A WONDERFUL PICTURE OF HOW IT ALL COULD CHANGE FOR YOU. THEY ARE VERY SLICK, AS I WAS TOO.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO WARN EVERYONE ABOUT "IVY CAPITAL" THEY GO BY SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO GO PAY THEM A VISIT, THEY WONT DISCLOSE THEIR REAL LOCATION. THE ADDRESS THEY GIVE YOU IS NOT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
YOU COULD TRY TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION BUT THEYRE ARE VERY GOOD AT COVERING THEIR [censor] LEGALLY. AFTER ALL, YOURE THE ONE THAT AGREED TO INVEST INTO THEIR "COACHING", YOURE THE ONE WHO SIGNED UP. OH WAIT, IT WASNT YOUR MONEY, IT WAS "OPM" HAHA LOL SO MISLEADING.
WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY ABOUT LEGITIMATE OR SCAM, GOOD OR BAD, WHATEVER. THE TRUTH IS, WITHIN MY FIRST WEEK WORKING THERE I ASKED THE OTHERS IF THEY WOULD INVEST IN THE VERY COACHING THAT WE WERE SELLING AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID "YA RIGHT!" OR "NO WAY!"
TALK ABOUT SALESMAN SELLING WHAT THEY THEMSELVES DONT BELIEVE IN!
I ACTUALLY USED TO WORK FOR THEM. AND YES, IT IS A BIG RIP OFF. TO MY SHAME, I WAS THE GUY THAT WOULD CALL YOU AND KEEP YOU ON THE PHONE, FIND YOUR PAIN, RUB SALT IN IT, THEN PAINT A WONDERFUL PICTURE OF HOW IT ALL COULD CHANGE FOR YOU. THEY ARE VERY SLICK, AS I WAS TOO.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO WARN EVERYONE ABOUT "IVY CAPITAL" THEY GO BY SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES.
DONT BOTHER TRYIN TO GO PAY THEM A VISIT, THEY WONT DISCLOSE THEIR REAL LOCATION. THE ADDRESS THEY GIVE YOU IS NOT WHERE THEY ACTUALLY ARE.
YOU COULD TRY TO PURSUE LEGAL ACTION BUT THEYRE ARE VERY GOOD AT COVERING THEIR [censor] LEGALLY. AFTER ALL, YOURE THE ONE THAT AGREED TO INVEST INTO THEIR "COACHING", YOURE THE ONE WHO SIGNED UP. OH WAIT, IT WASNT YOUR MONEY, IT WAS "OPM" HAHA LOL SO MISLEADING.
WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ALL DAY ABOUT LEGITIMATE OR SCAM, GOOD OR BAD, WHATEVER. THE TRUTH IS, WITHIN MY FIRST WEEK WORKING THERE I ASKED THE OTHERS IF THEY WOULD INVEST IN THE VERY COACHING THAT WE WERE SELLING AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SAID "YA RIGHT!" OR "NO WAY!"
TALK ABOUT SALESMAN SELLING WHAT THEY THEMSELVES DONT BELIEVE IN!
THAT DEPENDS. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I WORKED THERE, AND I WASNT A CLOSER. I DONT REMEMBER IF THE CLOSER MENTIONS MONEY BACK GUARANTEE, BUT I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT. I DONT REMEMBER IF THE AGREEMENT MENTIONS ANYTHING ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT.
IM SORRY, BUT THE SAD UGLY TRUTH IS...YOU AGREED, YOU SIGNED UP, YOU BOUGHT "THE DREAM"
I JUST POSTED A COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK ITS SAD HOW MANY PEOPLE BUY INTO THIS AND ARE MISLEAD. THEN THEY END UP IN THE HOLE. THEY FIND OUT THAT OPM "OTHER PEOPLES MONEY" IS NOT OTHER PEOPLES DEBT! ITS YOUR DEBT!
IF I WERE IN YOUR SITUATION I WOULD CALL THEM(HOPEFULLY YOU GOT THE NUMBER AND EXTENSION). BUT DO NOT CALL YELLING, COMPLAINING, CURSING, ETC. THAT WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE.
AS A SIDENOTE - TRY CALLING FROM A DIFFERENT NUMBER. I REMEMBER SEEING CERTAIN NUMBERS AND SAYING "DAMN, THIS GUY IS JUST CALLING TO COMPLAIN", AND YOU GUESSED IT...I WOULDNT ANSWER.
TO BE HONEST, JDFG, I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD DO MY "GOOD DEED" BY GIVING A CAUTION TO PEOPLE OUT THERE AND TALKING SOME SENSE INTO SOMEONE ON THIS SITE.
I DONT REALLY WANNA GET INTO ALL THAT, GIVING NAMES, LOCATION, ETC.
AS FAR AS LEGAL FIRMS FOR VICTIMS AND ALL THAT...WHY WOULD I KNOW THAT? I JUST WORKED FOR THEM. THATS THEIR PROBLEM.
@ JDFG...YA PRETTY MUCH. THE LESSONS IN LIFE THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER THE MOST ARE THE ONES WITH SOME STING ON IT...EEWWW. SO HERE'S SOME MORE SALT FOR YOU.
THE LESSONS THAT HURT ARE ALSO THE ONES THAT WE WILL PASS ON. SO TELL YOUR LOVED ONES...OK, JDFG?
IS IT REALLY THAT HARD FOR YOU TO FIND THEIR LOCATION? COMEON...EVER HEARD OF YELLOWBOOK.COM...JUST PUT THE COMPANY NAME AND
THEIR STATE *cough NV * cough. THEN UH...GOOGLE MAPS...
I'M VERY SORRY TO HEAR THAT. YOUR STORY IS VERY VERY COMMON. I SINCERELY PRAY THAT THEIR SALES HIT AN ALL TIME LOW AND THEY HAVE TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS.
JUST CURIOUS...WHAT WAS THE "NAME" OF THE TWO GUYS THAT SOLD YOU.
YOUR STORY IS VERY COMMON. WHEN I FIRST WORKED THERE MY SALES WERE OK. THEN I STARTED ASKING ALOT OF QUESTIONS, OVER HEARING THINGS, AND LISTENING TO COMPLAINTS AND I BEGAN TO LOSE FAITH IN THE COMPANY. MY SALES WENT DOWN AND I EVENTUALLY FOUND A BETTER JOB...SOMETHING LEGITIMATE.
WHEN THEY GAVE YOU THAT "OTHER PEOPLES MONEY" LINE YOU SHOULD ASK IF IT WOULD ALSO BE "OPD" OTHER PEOPLES DEBT? NOPE...YOU GOTTA PAY IT.
ANTHONY MARCUS AND JUSTIN WALSH HUH? LOL..SOUNDS LIKE A COUPLE OF ALIAS NAMES. BUT WHO KNOWS. BECAUSE WHEN I WAS THERE SOME OF THE CLOSERS AND EVEN SALES PEOPLE DIDNT USE THEIR REAL NAMES. OR AT LEAST NEVER GAVE THEIR LAST NAME.
@JDFG I apologize for being an idiot. I thought I would post something as a warning to people who go on sites like this to research before they actually make a decision. That is what we should do, right? Because, to be honest, Im not sure what advice to give people who are already stuck in this situation. After all, THEY agreed, They said yes and were sold. And I DO feel bad about that.
I did work there, to my shame. I even thought it was legitimate until I started asking questions, researching, and listening more. Then my sales came to a halt cause I have somewhat of a conscience... So I desperately looked for a job and found one thank God.
The whole yellowbook thing is true. I looked it up. They're in Las Vegas NV. Take that address put it on google maps and BAM there you go...thats the building. But I know if they read this they will, first, try to figure out who I am...second, call the yellowpages and asked not to be listed or say that they moved. Or maybe not, after all, most of the people we would call were out of state and overseas.
As far as legal firms for victims...I would have no idea. The upper management would deal with all that.
@Ursa Good job. Even me, being an ex employee, am not sure how to help people get their money back.
@JDFG I worked out of the Nevada office. But from what I remember, they have an office in Utah(dont know what city) and 2 locations in California. I believe their main office is in California. It might be Anaheim but Im not too sure. I just remember that one of the offices in Cali was the main "money-maker"
Sorry, I only remember info on the one I worked at which is in Vegas...off Sunset Rd.
You know whats sad about that place? Is that theyre mostly mormons that work there. A lot of them go to the same church. Im not a mormon, but I would think that deceiving, misleading, and taking advantage of people is not part of what they are suppose to live like. Oh well, who am I to judge.
I REALLY WISH I DID. I DONT KNOW. THERES A POST ON THIS SITE BY SOMEONE THAT CLAIMS TO KNOW HOW YOU GUYS COULD GET YOUR MONEY BACK. JUST LOOK ON THE NEWEST COMPLAINTS AGAINST IVY
THIS IS THE POST THAT I READ. I WOULD EMAIL THIS PERSON IF I WAS YOU. BUT ALWAYS BE CAUTIOUS. ALWAYS BE CAUTIOUS.
Don't hesitate to contact me if you have been mislead or scammed by Fortune Learing Systems and are looking for Justice. There is power in Numbers.
ursagofree@yahoo.com
Please don't fall for this. It was a bad mistake.
Dont bother filing a complaint with the [redacted] site. They actually pay them to put a good report up when they can. So as an ex sales person I would actually recommend people to look us up on [redacted].
Again, dont bother going to [redacted]. They are a rip off site themselves. Ivy capital pays them to take off complaints or write something positive about them. Something like an investigative report. This site however doesnt seem biased.
Lol...shuuuttuuup...haha. "complaint resolver" Put a little effort to sound more convincing. You sound like an automated response.
Dont give up LK10S. I never said it was impossible to get a refund. They depend on people giving up.
Good luck you guys. I really hope you help people get their money back. It is really sad to see desperate people get taken advantage of.
I wonder if theyre still using the same script.
Just curious...do they still say, in the beginning of the call, that they want to help you with the condition that they could document your "success story"?LOL HAHA
PLEASE DONT TELL ME THEY STILL USE THAT SAME B.S.
I should've kept that script. God forgive me for ever working there and taking part in their scheme.
They will be pissed at me if they somehow figure out who I am. Lol...haha
Oh well...Do you guys know their exact location in Vegas?
They're in Henderson to be exact. off of sunset road.
3027 Sunset Rd. Suite #201
But they actually own the whole building. One side is the sales, the other side is the customer service. And across is a smaller building on the same lot which is the LLC part of it. But theyre all under Ivy capital, or whatever name they go by now. Fortune learning systems, ICI success, Apply knowledge or whatever, etc etc
Damn I cant stand these people! Do you know which location they were in? They have a few. 2 in california, 1 in las vegas, and 1 in utah. I actually use to work for the one in Vegas. Not very long though because I started asking questions and listening to the complaints. So, because of my conscience, I couldnt sell anymore. The first people they deceive is their own sales people. So they could sell it. But it doesnt take much observation to begin to realize that you are misleading people and taking their hard earned money.
Dont let them scare you. And dont give up. They rely on people to give up.
There is this lady that says she has had success in getting her money back. She sent me a message to pass on her email to anyone that needs help:
ursagofree@yahoo.com
*I believe her name is Linda. It wouldnt hurt to email her and find out how she could help you.
Are you trying to get your money back Laurie? If you are, dont give up. Be relentless. They rely on your discouragement. They want you to give up.
Email this lady. Her name is Linda and she has had success in getting a refund. She sent me a message to have people that need help to email her.
She was a victim herself.
ursagofree@yahoo.com
Watch out...the IT guys at Ivy capital in Vegas look like tweakers. Dont underestimate them! Lol. Tweakers are the craziest computer geeks.
