Makes you wonder why they use Tie Downs and harsh tack on their Kid Safe Horses during in their Lesson Programs- to include Robert and Lorraine. Pictures don't lie!
Here's my story Deb- copy and paste into your web browser.
Family Equine's new posting on their website states:
"You must have written permission to download any written material from our website. This is unlawful to do so"
They are incorrect. Any written or photographic material that they have placed on their website or any other equine website for public viewing can be downloaded and saved in a computer hard-drive, disk, OR PDF if needed as EVIDENCE by any law enforcement agency to be used in a court of law or for other legal purposes. This includes, but is not limited to, archived dated & cached websites. All web pages are saved in various search engines for this purpose.
PDF means Protected Data Format. PDF takes a snapshot of a particular website which is not downloaded to a disk or hard-drive but saved as a Document in Adobe. Once PDF saves a web page to PDF for read or print only- the document date is protected and cannot be altered, forged, or falsified in any way, shape or form.
New Posting on Family Equine website:
"To harass, stalk, defame and incite anyone against a honest business trying to offer horses to Central New York at reasonable prices is totally unbelievable and illegal."
It sure is illegal to harrass, stalk and defame Bob and Lorraine. You did it to me- when you named one of your 4-Sale horses after ME- on your Website - your SICK way of taunting, harrassing, stalking, intimidating, and blackmailing me- A Cops wife besides - because I filed a complaint. It didn't end there, you advertised on Horsetopia- naming a horse after me - and what did they do? AGREED with me and they have 0pened up a complaint file against you - AND contacted you about it as they conveyed to me. You also used my Name on Whinny.org- calling me a Horse Thief- more of your SICK ###.
Pat Banker from Whinny.org yanked the Ad- and told you to NEVER write an accusatory ad like that again.
You are absolutely right, the buyer makes the final decision when buying a horse. BUT, your advertisements that YOU posted on the internet - letters YOU emailed to me- Conversations that WE had - all said that you bought my horse directly off the ranch of a well respected horse trainer. Instead, I discovered he was bought from a HORSE AUCTION. Your false, deceptive and misleading advertisements SWAYED me into buying McGoo SIGHT UNSEEN. YOU misled me. I trusted you based on what you WROTE - and what BOB said on the phone-and I didn't have to. Thats just how I am. Trusting to a fault.
I am SICK TO DEATH of you two crying and whining that you are the ones who have been VICTIMIZED. By the time I am done paying for this horse's training- I will have spent at least $7000 by the time he is done- BECAUSE OF YOU and the $2600 for the horse and ALL the VET and FARRIER bills. My tab will be about $12,000.
You are not out one F'N stinking measly red cent- YOU are not the ones going through the stress and heartache that I have. I was so happy when I bought McGoo- looking forward to riding him all summer- and it turned out to be a nightmare the day he arrived. I would never have traded him in for another horse- I was done doing business with you for good the VERY DAY McGoo was delivered to me in such neglected condition. You are two people that I could never trust.
I have NEVER seen a business take complaints so personally that they would bawl about it on their website- a website that customers LOOK AT. Don't you realize that you are DIRECTING those people to LOOK UP the complaints on the internet? You are your own worst enemy.
By the looks of another complaint filed against you- she has been through worse Hell than I have- going on 2 years.
If your customers have made complaints against you- then SUCK IT UP and GROW UP. LEARN FROM IT. The complaints board is all about Freedom of Speech. Its all about helping other consumers and to help the business improve their service. Thats life. If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen and get into another line of work where the Customer is always WRONG.
I am a forgiving person and its not up to me to judge you. If I continue to judge you- then God will judge me in the same way. I am done. I am putting this in HIS hands . This has made me emotionally and physically sick and I am ending it here.
HORSETOPIA EMAIL:
Hello Shelley,
Thank you for providing us with the additional information about your complaint against Robert & Lorraine Aichele's ads. We have entered an
official complaint and we have contacted the seller.
If criminal charges have been filed or a lawsuit has been won against the seller, we'd appreciate it if you could provide us with the details.
Additionally, if there have been any instances of stalking, intimidating, and harassing besides the advertisement of a horse with your name, please
let us know (and forward any relevant messages to us) so we can address that with the sellers.
Like I said, we do keep all complaints on
file, and if we do determine in the future that this seller has a pattern of misleading ads or abusing our service, we will not hesitate to remove
the account.
Best wishes,
Daphne
Family Equine's new shipment of horses will be arriving after January 20, 2008. Their website advertisement BRAGS:
"Robert will be traveling to the West to get a load of good ranch horses that have all have been working in the feedlots! Ready after the 20th of January. These horses come from CJ Oakwood.
C.J. Oakwood is their good old boy. He is a Livestock Auctioneer in Illinois and owns and operates CJ Cattle Company. Family Equine buys former worked to death feedlot horses from CJ and then offers them for resale in New York. They also truck horses to C.J. to unload the horses they can't sell. "You know, "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine."
C.J. is an avid supporter of HORSE SLAUGHTER and wigged out when hearings were being held and finally, the last remaining horse slaughterhouse was closed down for good this past summer in Dekalb, Illinois.
Here are a few of CJ's rantings and ravings I found on the internet so potential customers of Family Equine can get a gist of the "characters" of the people and business associates that they surround themselves with.
Heres CJ's website:
http://www.cattleco.com/overview.htm
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"Horse slaughter ban would be a blow to production agriculture"
C.J. Oakwood wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Our politicians have not a clue what is going to happen to the equine industry and the welfare of horses IF WE BAN THE PROCESSING OF HORSE MEAT FOR EXPORT. .
The ANIMAL / TREE HUGGERS in this country need to find another planet to live on before they ruin this one.
FOR ALL THOSE " HORSE HUGGERS"... what are you going to do with these animals if we cannot dispose of them?
I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HORSE MEAT AVAILABLE AT THE IGA! If anyone thinks hitting a deer with your vehicle is a bad deal...try hitting a horse that has been turned loose by its owner...you will probably die...seat belt on! "
Updated: Jun 17, 2007 - 01:29:45 am CDT
Daily Chronicle Online Dekalb Illionois
OPINIONS:
In Our View: Message to Judge and Cavel Inc.: Enough is enough
CJ OAKWOOD wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM:
" "Why is Belgium telling United States judges what they should do in regards to American laws? Judge Kapala accepted a letter from Belgium that attempts to sway his decision in favor of horse slaughter. I think we need to let Belgium know that we Americans will not stand for any country dictating to us which of our laws is constitutional or not" KEEP PROCESSING HORSES! "
Cow-Calf Weekly Mailbag December 31, 2004
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SAVING HORSES
Apparently Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) and Sen. John Ensign, DVM (R-NE) don't have a clue ("Horse Slaughter Ban Poses Broad implications"). How did Ensign get through vet school?
I will SUPPORT NCBA 100% on FIGHTING this piece of legislative FECAL MATERIAL ! I hope R-CALF gets on the wagon, too.
The next thing these NUTS will try to do is stop the harvesting of beef, pork and chicken!
C.J. OAKWOOD
CattleCo Data Systems
Oakwood, IL
I don't know of any REPUTABLE Equine business who would associate with or buy horses for resale from someone who writes nasty ### like this. Selling horses for slaughter are his meal ticket. He could care less if they are sent to slaughter and in the violent manner in which these horses are killed (in Mexico they stab them to death with a dagger).
If anyone buys a horse that came from CJ OAKWOOD, they are in essence keeping him in the horse auction/ slaughter business. Please consider to NOT buy horses that are sold at auction. If you feel you are saving a horse, you are doing just that... saving ONE. But if you STOP buying horses that are sold at Auction, you will be saving thousands or more in the end.
Legislation is in the works to pass into Law banning the transporting of horses outside of the United States for slaughter.
This is GOOD. This Law will shut down the irreputable horse auctions once in for all . Once that happens, irresponsible horse owners won't be able to dispose of their unwanted healthy, sick, lame, disabled, elderly, pregnant, horses and foals at the most disgusting and disgraceful auctions in the US just to make a buck. They will be forced to spend the $50 to have their horses humanely euthanized- rather than stabbed to death in Mexico or Stun-Gunned in Canada.
Before buying a horse from a Horse Dealer and not a well-known reputable Equine establishment, ask where the horses came from. Feedlot horses have been worked into the ground. They work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for years on end. They walk on concrete in many situations, drag semi trailer truck tires, work in rain, sleet, snow, and windy dust bowls. They start their day at 3 am moving 1000s of head of cattle and herding them into the trucks bound for slaughter. Their frustrated "cowboys" spur and whip them to keep moving the cattle. They are rammed by cattle, fall down, and after a hard days work- put in a stand stall for a few hours. They are not groomed or brushed out, feet picked, or loved ... once the horses finally give out from all of the hard work... they are sent to auction.
PLEASE BE A RESPONSIBLE HORSE BUYER!
Family Equine's new shipment of horses will be arriving after January 20, 2008. Their website advertisement BRAGS:
"Robert will be traveling to the West to get a load of good ranch horses that have all have been working in the feedlots! Ready after the 20th of January. These horses come from CJ Oakwood.
C.J. Oakwood is their good old boy. He is a Livestock Auctioneer in Illinois and owns and operates CJ Cattle Company. Family Equine buys former worked to death feedlot horses from CJ and then offers them for resale in New York. They also truck horses to C.J. to unload the horses they can't sell. "You know, "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine."
C.J. is an avid supporter of HORSE SLAUGHTER and wigged out when hearings were being held and finally, the last remaining horse slaughterhouse was closed down for good this past summer in Dekalb, Illinois.
Here are a few of CJ's rantings and ravings I found on the internet so potential customers of Family Equine can get a gist of the "characters" of the people and business associates that they surround themselves with.
Heres CJ's website:
http://www.cattleco.com/overview.htm
Copied from the-
FARM AND RANCH GUIDE
"Horse slaughter ban would be a blow to production agriculture"
C.J. Oakwood wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Our politicians have not a clue what is going to happen to the equine industry and the welfare of horses IF WE BAN THE PROCESSING OF HORSE MEAT FOR EXPORT. .
The ANIMAL / TREE HUGGERS in this country need to find another planet to live on before they ruin this one.
FOR ALL THOSE " HORSE HUGGERS"... what are you going to do with these animals if we cannot dispose of them?
I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HORSE MEAT AVAILABLE AT THE IGA! If anyone thinks hitting a deer with your vehicle is a bad deal...try hitting a horse that has been turned loose by its owner...you will probably die...seat belt on! "
Updated: Jun 17, 2007 - 01:29:45 am CDT
Daily Chronicle Online Dekalb Illionois
OPINIONS:
In Our View: Message to Judge and Cavel Inc.: Enough is enough
CJ OAKWOOD wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM:
" "Why is Belgium telling United States judges what they should do in regards to American laws? Judge Kapala accepted a letter from Belgium that attempts to sway his decision in favor of horse slaughter. I think we need to let Belgium know that we Americans will not stand for any country dictating to us which of our laws is constitutional or not" KEEP PROCESSING HORSES! "
Cow-Calf Weekly Mailbag December 31, 2004
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SAVING HORSES
Apparently Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) and Sen. John Ensign, DVM (R-NE) don't have a clue ("Horse Slaughter Ban Poses Broad implications"). How did Ensign get through vet school?
I will SUPPORT NCBA 100% on FIGHTING this piece of legislative FECAL MATERIAL ! I hope R-CALF gets on the wagon, too.
The next thing these NUTS will try to do is stop the harvesting of beef, pork and chicken!
C.J. OAKWOOD
CattleCo Data Systems
Oakwood, IL
I don't know of any REPUTABLE Equine business who would associate with or buy horses for resale from someone who writes nasty ### like this. Selling horses for slaughter are his meal ticket. He could care less if they are sent to slaughter and in the violent manner in which these horses are killed (in Mexico they stab them to death with a dagger).
If anyone buys a horse that came from CJ OAKWOOD, they are in essence keeping him in the horse auction/ slaughter business. Please consider to NOT buy horses that are sold at auction. If you feel you are saving a horse, you are doing just that... saving ONE. But if you STOP buying horses that are sold at Auction, you will be saving thousands or more in the end.
Legislation is in the works to pass into Law banning the transporting of horses outside of the United States for slaughter.
This is GOOD. This Law will shut down the irreputable horse auctions once in for all . Once that happens, irresponsible horse owners won't be able to dispose of their unwanted healthy, sick, lame, disabled, elderly, pregnant, horses and foals at the most disgusting and disgraceful auctions in the US just to make a buck. They will be forced to spend the $50 to have their horses humanely euthanized- rather than stabbed to death in Mexico or Stun-Gunned in Canada.
Before buying a horse from a Horse Dealer and not a well-known reputable Equine establishment, ask where the horses came from. Feedlot horses have been worked into the ground. They work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for years on end. They walk on concrete in many situations, drag semi trailer truck tires, work in rain, sleet, snow, and windy dust bowls. They start their day at 3 am moving 1000s of head of cattle and herding them into the trucks bound for slaughter. Their frustrated "cowboys" spur and whip them to keep moving the cattle. They are rammed by cattle, fall down, and after a hard days work- put in a stand stall for a few hours. They are not groomed or brushed out, feet picked, or loved ... once the horses finally give out from all of the hard work... they are sent to auction.
PLEASE BE A RESPONSIBLE HORSE BUYER!
Family Equine's new shipment of horses will be arriving after January 20, 2008. Their website advertisement BRAGS:
"Robert will be traveling to the West to get a load of good ranch horses that have all have been working in the feedlots! Ready after the 20th of January. These horses come from CJ Oakwood.
C.J. Oakwood is their good old boy. He is a Livestock Auctioneer in Illinois and owns and operates CJ Cattle Company. Family Equine buys former worked to death feedlot horses from CJ and then offers them for resale in New York. They also truck horses to C.J. to unload the horses they can't sell. "You know, "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine."
C.J. is an avid supporter of HORSE SLAUGHTER and wigged out when hearings were being held and finally, the last remaining horse slaughterhouse was closed down for good this past summer in Dekalb, Illinois.
Here are a few of CJ's rantings and ravings I found on the internet so potential customers of Family Equine can get a gist of the "characters" of the people and business associates that they surround themselves with.
Heres CJ's website:
http://www.cattleco.com/overview.htm
Copied from the-
FARM AND RANCH GUIDE
"Horse slaughter ban would be a blow to production agriculture"
C.J. Oakwood wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Our politicians have not a clue what is going to happen to the equine industry and the welfare of horses IF WE BAN THE PROCESSING OF HORSE MEAT FOR EXPORT. .
The ANIMAL / TREE HUGGERS in this country need to find another planet to live on before they ruin this one.
FOR ALL THOSE " HORSE HUGGERS"... what are you going to do with these animals if we cannot dispose of them?
I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HORSE MEAT AVAILABLE AT THE IGA! If anyone thinks hitting a deer with your vehicle is a bad deal...try hitting a horse that has been turned loose by its owner...you will probably die...seat belt on! "
Updated: Jun 17, 2007 - 01:29:45 am CDT
Daily Chronicle Online Dekalb Illionois
OPINIONS:
In Our View: Message to Judge and Cavel Inc.: Enough is enough
CJ OAKWOOD wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM:
" "Why is Belgium telling United States judges what they should do in regards to American laws? Judge Kapala accepted a letter from Belgium that attempts to sway his decision in favor of horse slaughter. I think we need to let Belgium know that we Americans will not stand for any country dictating to us which of our laws is constitutional or not" KEEP PROCESSING HORSES! "
Cow-Calf Weekly Mailbag December 31, 2004
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SAVING HORSES
Apparently Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) and Sen. John Ensign, DVM (R-NE) don't have a clue ("Horse Slaughter Ban Poses Broad implications"). How did Ensign get through vet school?
I will SUPPORT NCBA 100% on FIGHTING this piece of legislative FECAL MATERIAL ! I hope R-CALF gets on the wagon, too.
The next thing these NUTS will try to do is stop the harvesting of beef, pork and chicken!
C.J. OAKWOOD
CattleCo Data Systems
Oakwood, IL
I don't know of any REPUTABLE Equine business who would associate with or buy horses for resale from someone who writes nasty ### like this. Selling horses for slaughter are his meal ticket. He could care less if they are sent to slaughter and in the violent manner in which these horses are killed (in Mexico they stab them to death with a dagger).
If anyone buys a horse that came from CJ OAKWOOD, they are in essence keeping him in the horse auction/ slaughter business. Please consider to NOT buy horses that are sold at auction. If you feel you are saving a horse, you are doing just that... saving ONE. But if you STOP buying horses that are sold at Auction, you will be saving thousands or more in the end.
Legislation is in the works to pass into Law banning the transporting of horses outside of the United States for slaughter.
This is GOOD. This Law will shut down the irreputable horse auctions once in for all . Once that happens, irresponsible horse owners won't be able to dispose of their unwanted healthy, sick, lame, disabled, elderly, pregnant, horses and foals at the most disgusting and disgraceful auctions in the US just to make a buck. They will be forced to spend the $50 to have their horses humanely euthanized- rather than stabbed to death in Mexico or Stun-Gunned in Canada.
Before buying a horse from a Horse Dealer and not a well-known reputable Equine establishment, ask where the horses came from. Feedlot horses have been worked into the ground. They work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for years on end. They walk on concrete in many situations, drag semi trailer truck tires, work in rain, sleet, snow, and windy dust bowls. They start their day at 3 am moving 1000s of head of cattle and herding them into the trucks bound for slaughter. Their frustrated "cowboys" spur and whip them to keep moving the cattle. They are rammed by cattle, fall down, and after a hard days work- put in a stand stall for a few hours. They are not groomed or brushed out, feet picked, or loved ... once the horses finally give out from all of the hard work... they are sent to auction.
PLEASE BE A RESPONSIBLE HORSE BUYER!
Family Equine's new shipment of horses will be arriving after January 20, 2008. Their updated website advertisement brags:
"Robert will be traveling to the West to get a load of good ranch horses that have all have been working in the feedlots! Ready after the 20th of January. These horses come from CJ Oakwood.
C.J. Oakwood is their good old boy. He is a Livestock Auctioneer in Illinois and owns and operates CJ Cattle Company. Family Equine buys former worked to death feedlot horses from CJ and then offers them for resale in New York. They also truck horses to C.J. to unload the horses they can't sell. "You know, "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine."
C.J. is an avid supporter of HORSE SLAUGHTER and wigged out when hearings were being held and finally, the last remaining horse slaughterhouse was closed down for good this past summer in Dekalb, Illinois.
Here are a few of CJ's rantings and ravings I found on the internet so potential customers of Family Equine can get a gist of the "characters" of the people and business associates that they surround themselves with.
Heres CJ's website:
http://www.cattleco.com/overview.htm
Copied from the-
FARM AND RANCH GUIDE
"Horse slaughter ban would be a blow to production agriculture"
C.J. Oakwood wrote on Feb 13, 2007 9:50 AM:
" Our politicians have not a clue what is going to happen to the equine industry and the welfare of horses IF WE BAN THE PROCESSING OF HORSE MEAT FOR EXPORT. .
The ANIMAL / TREE HUGGERS in this country need to find another planet to live on before they ruin this one.
FOR ALL THOSE " HORSE HUGGERS"... what are you going to do with these animals if we cannot dispose of them?
I PERSONALLY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE HORSE MEAT AVAILABLE AT THE IGA! If anyone thinks hitting a deer with your vehicle is a bad deal...try hitting a horse that has been turned loose by its owner...you will probably die...seat belt on! "
Updated: Jun 17, 2007 - 01:29:45 am CDT
Daily Chronicle Online Dekalb Illionois
OPINIONS:
In Our View: Message to Judge and Cavel Inc.: Enough is enough
CJ OAKWOOD wrote on Jun 20, 2007 4:17 PM:
" "Why is Belgium telling United States judges what they should do in regards to American laws? Judge Kapala accepted a letter from Belgium that attempts to sway his decision in favor of horse slaughter. I think we need to let Belgium know that we Americans will not stand for any country dictating to us which of our laws is constitutional or not" KEEP PROCESSING HORSES! "
Cow-Calf Weekly Mailbag December 31, 2004
HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH SAVING HORSES
Apparently Rep. John Sweeney (R-NY) and Sen. John Ensign, DVM (R-NE) don't have a clue ("Horse Slaughter Ban Poses Broad implications"). How did Ensign get through vet school?
I will SUPPORT NCBA 100% on FIGHTING this piece of legislative FECAL MATERIAL ! I hope R-CALF gets on the wagon, too.
The next thing these NUTS will try to do is stop the harvesting of beef, pork and chicken!
C.J. OAKWOOD
CattleCo Data Systems
Oakwood, IL
I don't know of any REPUTABLE Equine business who would associate with or buy horses for resale from someone who writes nasty ### like this. Selling horses for slaughter are his meal ticket. He could care less if they are sent to slaughter and in the violent manner in which these horses are killed (in Mexico they stab them to death with a dagger).
If anyone buys a horse that came from CJ OAKWOOD, they are in essence keeping him in the horse auction/ slaughter business. Please consider to NOT buy horses that are sold at auction. If you feel you are saving a horse, you are doing just that... saving ONE. But if you STOP buying horses that are sold at Auction, you will be saving thousands or more in the end.
Legislation is in the works to pass into Law banning the transporting of horses outside of the United States for slaughter.
This is GOOD. This Law will shut down the irreputable horse auctions once in for all . Once that happens, irresponsible horse owners won't be able to dispose of their unwanted healthy, sick, lame, disabled, elderly, pregnant, horses and foals at the most disgusting and disgraceful auctions in the US just to make a buck. They will be forced to spend the $50 to have their horses humanely euthanized- rather than stabbed to death in Mexico or Stun-Gunned in Canada.
Before buying a horse from a Horse Dealer and not a well-known reputable Equine establishment, ask where the horses came from. Feedlot horses have been worked into the ground. They work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, for years on end. They walk on concrete in many situations, drag semi trailer truck tires, work in rain, sleet, snow, and windy dust bowls. They start their day at 3 am moving 1000s of head of cattle and herding them into the trucks bound for slaughter. Their frustrated "cowboys" spur and whip them to keep moving the cattle. They are rammed by cattle, fall down, and after a hard days work- put in a stand stall for a few hours. They are not groomed or brushed out, feet picked, or loved ... once the horses finally give out from all of the hard work... they are sent to auction.
PLEASE BE A RESPONSIBLE HORSE BUYER!
Actually, I got straight A's in college, was on the Deans List, a member of the Journalism Club, have had short stories, essays, and editorials published in major newspaper editions, well known magazines, been posted on respected websites, spoken on television but that is neither here nor there.
I totally agree with you. I had my head up my ### to trust two totally complete strangers ###ting lie-assing website advertisements, email letters, mouth diarrhea, and then buy a horse sight from them sight unseen besides.
If I wasn't so sick at the time, I would have driven the 100 miles to the Aicheles farm to see and ride McGoo first. My husband is a Cop, drives like one which scares the hell out of me- so I do all of the driving.
From what I have been told, their farm is a dump and no where near the professional equine facility they make it out to be. Had I visited their farm, I probably would have backed out of their driveway 10o miles an hour and not even gotten out of the car.
Good thing for the Aicheles that I didn't take the drive, I would have inspected every single animal on their property as far as the eye can see.
Thats what I DO - SUE. Hey, I'm a poet and didn't know it.
I wouldn't even attempt to clean up all your dirty laundry if you get my drift.
Our equine Vet actually charges $50 for the Euthanasia. The farm call is $45.
Our backhoe operator charges $100 to bury a horse. So lets see... thats $195 to humanely euthanize and bury a beloved pet and you think thats a LOT? Well, I live in a very tight knit horse community, Pittsford-Mendon, NY. The most affluent subburb in our area. Look it up. My farm is a 5 minute walk from Walnut Hill Farm. Maybe you have heard of them. They host the largest carriage horse show in the WORLD. My other neighbor owns and operates Highview Farm. He is one of the top riding instructors in the United States. My property backs right up to the heir of Firestone Tires. She owns Oakridge Stables, and about 500 acres. I ride back there all the time. I live right next door to an 11,000 acre park. Gas is how much now? $3 a gallon? Really don't care. As long as my Jaguar and new 2008 Hummer is gassed up - I'm content. All of my pets are cared for, so I'm happy. I obviously live in a different world than you SUE.
Losers don't care for their animals and even bigger losers sell their horses at auction. For your viewing pleasure, here's a video inside a Mexican horse slaughterhouse. Grab CJ, Lorraine and Robert, make some popcorn and enjoy!
http://video.hsus.org/?&fr_story=af238f6e5ce156726675a947debdeab0ad670054
I was incorrect on the charge of euthanizing a horse. So sorry SUE. Since I haven't had to euthanize a horse in almost 20 years, I estimated the cost from the 1980's. I called our horse Vet, Genesee Valley Equine Clinic, and the charge is $110 for humane euthansia of a full sized horse. I was correct on the farm call at $45. When any of our farm animals pass away, we are only charged $100 for burial by our friend who owns an Excavating company.
So, I was OFF $60 measly dollars, The total cost to euthanize and bury a beloved horse here in Pittsford-Mendon is $255.
I own 4 horses. Bingo is 26, Spenser is also 26 and being treated for Cushings Disease with Pergolide, Flicka is 19, and McGoo is 4. None of my horses has ever been sick with the exception of Spenser. Money is NO OBJECT when it comes to providing the highest quality of care for all of my pets. We spend at least $1000 a month for feed, Vet and Farrier Care, etc. which doesn't include the $700 for McGoo's professional training.
Since you are complaining about how expensive it is FOR YOU to have your horses vaccinated, you obviously can't afford it and shouldn't own any horses at all.
Of course all the crap about them is still going strong. Looks like they toned their website down some and made a public appology to their unsatisfied customers. They also wrote " If we use terms that you do not completely understand in our ads or when you spoke to us, Please ask us to explain. We are use to using cowboy jargon and sometimes assume everyone understands us. " Since when is "dead broke, kid safe, bomb proof, trail rides, road safe, quiet, lesson horse, no bad habits, camp horse, no vices, sound, comes with a shoe on every foot, blah blah... cowboy jargon?" An appology is better late than never I guess.
I do have a comment for Adrienne Laudin who wrote a couple of postings above. I'd like to see Adrienne Laudin - who says she trained her horse by herself with no formal horse training experience- to re-school a horse that has thrown her, run away with her, reared, bolted, bucked, snapped halters off, cinches, bit, kicked, ... a horse that she bought as dead broke child safe horse anyone can ride. It is one thing Addie to train a horse from a foal- anyone with half a brain can do it- but its quite another thing to re-school a horse that is out of control. I personally think you are full of it. You are also mad at me because I am a responsible horse owner that can afford to have my horse professionally trained as well as provide all of my animals with the highest care. You basically came right out and said you provide your horse with its basic needs. What happens if he becomes sick or injured and needs surgery at $5000 a pop? What if he has a chronic illness and needs expensive medication which costs $300 month on top of the board you are paying now? YEAH... I DIDN'T THINK SO ADDIE.
I got the SAME email forward from the Aicheles last week. It didn't surprise me that they would find it amusing to yank my chain again. I sent it to my attorney to add to all of the evidence pertaining to my "dead broke trail and road safe bomb proof kid horse " I bought from the Aicheles last year. To include his 9 months of professional training fees up to $6300 so far to date. Hey Bob and Lorraine, maybe I should call the state police ON YOU for stalking and harrassing me through the internet. PS Love your new website.
Funny? Get a life? THEY need to get a life. Because of those liars they cost me a TON of money. I bought my horse last JUNE 2007 and he is STILL out for training almost ONE YEAR later. My "dead broke road safe trail horse". They had no business F'CN with me and sending me a BCC.
Their email says it all as well as horse slaughter advocate CJ Oakwood who sent out the email. I got their other email last night too.
Quote by Lorraine "actually we get these terms quite often on horses we purchase...we hear alot of this stuff everyday, especailly when we buy!"
Her comment is DISGUSTING. Obviously it wasn't a joke as those are the kinds of horses they buy for RE-sale to other people.
They have the audacity to post scripture on their website to "turn the other cheek" - yet they continue to taunt and harrass the people who posted valid complaints.
Lorraine you should have changed your clothes after Bob took your picture standing with Roman Girl showing her numerous injuries for the whole world to see.
Placing a saddle on top of her wounds and whatever "rib problem" she has and then riding her is abuse. Carey is right, you have documented this abuse openly on your website.
Kind of reminds me of when you advertised the horse I bought from you sight unseen- McGoo. You posted pictures of him when he arrived at your farm in April, 2007. He looked great when you just bought him. Based on your internet advertisements of him and his "older photographs" I bought him sight unseen.
My horse arrived in neglected condition with cuts, scratches, swollen knees, neglected hooves, etc - and did NOT Represent the pictures you posted of him on the internet. From the time you bought him from a horse auction in April as a 3 Year Old and sold him to me 3 months later, it was obvious you never cared for him.
Don't anyone be fooled by the Aicheles stating that they have been rehabbing Roman Girl. If she was 100% rehabbed - there would be NO wounds or marks on her at all. She wouldn't be selling for $700 either.
I watched the video too and yes, they have plenty to say.
The horse that attacked the other horse in the adjoining pasture over the fence is probably one the Aicheles purchased at an auction for Re-Sell. If that is their own horse then why is it so mean? That was odd behavior for a horse as they are gentle by nature.
As for Roman Girl- there is no way that they are rehabbing her. If that were true, then why did they deliver my own horse is such neglected condition? I don't want to keep repeating myself, by the horse I bought from them was delivered to me in really bad shape. I SHOULD HAVE called law enforcement officials on Robert when he dropped McGoo off. Thats what I SHOULD HAVE done. I had to Rehab McGoo from the poor quality of care he received for the 3 months the Aicheles owned him. Don't anyone believe their rehabbing story and how they saved this horse from going to auction.
Their "how we do things" part on their website is a good indicator as to why people should stay away from this business. They say do not make any changes to the horse you buy for 2 weeks. That includes, trimming, shoeing, clipping, worming, etc. If a customer does any of those things and wants to trade the horse back in, the Aicheles say they won't take the horse back because they don't like those changes. They said the horse has to be returned to them in the same condition as the customer bought it. If it has a cut on it, they won't take it back. They also state if the new horse becomes ill during the first 2 weeks, then the customer has to CALL THEM FIRST before calling a Vet. The Aicheles then go on to say that they may want the horse treated BY THEM at their farm. I don't know of any horse owner who would NOT CALL a Vet FIRST when their horse becomes seriously ill- 2 week trial period or not. I don't know of any horse owner who would Haul a seriously ill horse back to the Aicheles place or wait for Robert to come and pick the sick horse up, and then truck it back to their farm so they can give it medical care- but only if they want to.
That is outright animal cruelty and abuse to withdraw urgent medical care and against the law.
The horse I bought from the Aicheles was severely neglected by them, but thats OK if they sell a horse that way. But if their customers clips a horse's main, worms it, trims its hooves, they reserve the right to NOT take the horse back because they don't LIKE those changes made to the horse. They make no sense, as usual.
Jen, you need to MYOB! Who the heck are you anyway? Have we ever met? No.
You're right, I bought my horse McGoo SIGHT UNSEEN based on internet advertisements plastered all over the F'N internet as well as old photographs of the horse when he arrived at their farm. Yeah, so? What business is that of yours anyway? Lots of people buy horses sight unseen and out of state so my purchase was nothing out of the ordinary.
From what I understand, a LOT of people buy horses from the Aicheles SIGHT UNSEEN, especially those who live 100's of miles away, as well as those people who TRUST that what the Aicheles advertise and say about a horse is the truth. Not only did I trust them [protected]%, I never even tried to bargain down the price of the horse one plug nickel. Once I paid them in full, they stopped caring for my horse and it took them a week to deliver him.
I thought I was buying a horse from a reputable, high end equine establishment. Imagine my dismay and disgust when Robert delivered my horse to me in such neglected condition, I should have called the local law enforcement officials on the man. WERE YOU HERE THAT DAY? NO.
As far as me riding him as soon as he arrived, I didn't. And why? Because McGoo had so many open sores, wounds, scratches, abrasions, all over his body I couldn't let him out for a F'N week for fear the sores would attract flies resulting in a maggot infestation. His knees were swollen to TWICE their size. Not only that, Miss know it all - McGoo's hooves had gone untrimmed for so long that one of his hooves curled upwards - TWICE as long as the other hooves. WERE YOU HERE WHEN OUR FARRIER HAD TO RUSH OVER THE NIGHT I BOUGHT HIM TO TRIM OFF HIS NEGLECTED HOOF? NO. Were you here when the farrier had to work on the other 3 hooves that were cracked through to the hoof wall? NO.
Our blacksmith was disgusted, as was our VET who also examined McGoo on an emergency visit the day AFTER he arrived. She, too, was disgusted that the Aicheles had neglected this horse and never treated his wounds AT ALL. He had a 4" fresh bloody gash between his ears that HAD TO BE STITCHED. I never tried to ride the horse for a week. Since Rodeo Queen refused to take the ill fitting saddle back she sold to me, I bought an EXPENSIVE TREELESS saddle and Therapeutic pad DIRECTLY FROM EUROPE. Rodeo Queen never reimbursed me for the ill-fitting bridle I sent back to her THE DAY I BOUGHT IT.
This horse was NOT trained to ride as the Aicheles had advertised. If he had been trained, he wouldn't have been afraid of a potbelly pig out in the pasture now would he? This was a "RANCH HORSE" they sold me now JEN. I REPEAT- A RANCH HORSE. And actually, he was NOT afraid of my potbelly pig IN THE BARN- she slept in his stall with him as well as our pet turkeys, goat and sheep.
He was NOT broke to ride as they said he was. If he was, then why did they ride him with ALL that tack- Lorraine Aichele herself- Rodeo Queen-in pictures riding McGoo with a tie down and so much harsh tack I m surprised he could walk. They rode him into the ground the 3 months they had him to MAKE MONEY, making McGoo do things he never did before. And Oh yeah... the tie down forced him to knock his knees together so much they were raw too... right down to the hide with NO hair left on them. Now his knees have scar tissue on them that will have to be surgically removed at some point.
McGOO is still out for PROFESSIONAL training to the tune of close to $7, 000. He will be home on May 1st. His trainer rode him here from the park next door just the other day. It SICKENS me that this 4 year old is now COVERED in SCARS. The SCAR over his eye will remind me every day of what the Aicheles did to him and how they failed to provide him with adequate care. He didn't deserve to be treated like ### by the Aicheles so they could make a fast buck.
You MYOB- because you will make it worse for them. I promise you that.
I have NEVER seen their home or ranch, so I cannot say if its nice or not nor DO I CARE. It looks like others have a LOT to say about their farm and home. It certainly doesn't surprise me.
Maybe they should have mediated with me in the first place for $1300 or so. They refused, so I complained. They are their own worst enemy because my complaint has opened a CAN OR WORMS and others are now writing.
Let me clear the deck with you, Jen. WHERE do you come up with such crap? No wonder McGoo was ruined within the 3 months the Aicheles owned him. McGoo was NOT EVER a former working ranch horse or a lesson horse when they bought him at an auction in South Dakota. That was something they forced him into doing within 3 days of his arrival at their farm. Robert bragged how McGoo was his "gravy train" and making him money within 3 days of arrival at their "ranch". I telephoned his former owner in South Dakota, Terry Moody. WHY DON"T YOU DO THE SAME? His phone number is listed. GO AHEAD. Terry Moody's wife, Jill, is ranked #3 in the world in barrel racing. I spoke to him for quite a while. THEY trained him for their son and McGoo was their little boy's horse for almost 4 years from the day of his birth. Their son rode McGoo in an indoor and outdoor riding ring -ONLY- WITHOUT a tie down and never on a trail, down a road, or on a working cattle ranch. Terry Moody told me that McGoo never had a rope tossed off him and NEVER saw a cow in his life. They own HORSES ONLY. He was never ridden in a tie down EVER or trained in one for that matter. YOU and the AICHELES treat horses like ### and its ALL about power and control and making money off them. I told Mr. Moody EVERYTHING about the condition McGoo was in and he was SICK about it. I have photographs of the day of his arrival and HONEY - if you are saying you were there when he was loaded onto the trailer- you are an accessory to a crime. Know what aiding and abeting is? I have VET records, farrier records. All you are is a GOSSIP and a trouble maker. McGoo was sold to me by those liars as a finished dead broke road safe trail horse and NOT A WORK IN PROGRESS that was being finished by you. I am so glad that you have come forward and put all this in writing. You have just come out and ADMITTED and PROVEN that McGoo was NOT trained when I bought him.
Good, ... I do have an attorney and I PROMISED the Aicheles when McGoo was finished being professionally trained - I would sue them for training fees. The AG will have a field day with them and YOU. You are such a troublemaker. My gosh. With a friend like you who needs enemies?
Private, this is not a chat room but a complaint forum. Instead of calling people liars, you need to back your statement up.
Jen Connelly openly admitted that McGoo was not a finished riding horse as the Aicheles sold me but, was a WORK IN PROGRESS. She stated that ranch horses wear tie downs which is NOT True. Ranch horses never wear tie downs. McGoo was not trained to wear a tie down, ever. His auction photograph I dug up PRIOR to the Aicheles buying him shows him tacked up WITHOUT a tie down. The Aicheles screwed him up by putting harsh tack on him - a tie down - WHEN HE DIDN'T NEED ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Then they used Jen Connelly to get him used to riding WITHOUT one. DUH!
The Aicheles know me well enough by now when I say I am going to do something, I ll do it. They can bet on me contacting the Attorney Generals Office when McGoo is done with his training May 1st. I am going to file a complaint based on INTERNET False, Misleading, and Deceptive Advertsing, Penal Code 190.20 regarding this horse's lack of training as well as the neglected condition he was in when they delivered him to me. All of their lies will be exposed.
Jen Connelly - THANK YOU!
Your admission IN WRITING on the internet admitting that McGoo was an unfinished riding horse when I bought him and was a "Work in Progress" was a priceless admission. PRICELESS.
CJ OAKWOOD- YOU need to get a life. I would LOVE to go toe to toe with YOU. Your rantings and ravings are posted all over the internet on your SUPPORT of horse slaughter and how horsemeat should be sold in grocery stores. SICK! How much money have you made selling horses by the pound for slaughter over the past 30 years? They have supported your ### financially for years - like the Aicheles- and you make fun of the horses that have died on YOUR behalf. Its ALL about the almighty dollar for you and your "friends" Robert and Lorraine Aichele. Blood money. How low will a person go? Obviously, pretty low- "class" that is. Wait until law is passed and horses can no longer be transported out of the country to Canada or Mexico to be slaughtered anymore. Your GRAVY TRAIN will be over ! I took a look at your website and see you're a home-style PUPPY MILL too.
OH AND...BARAK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!
Gina M, First off, Debbie bought another horse from the Aicheles that was DRUGGED and dangerous after the drugs wore off. She is another complaintant. As usual, you are another one of the Aicheles "friends" who opens up their big trap without reading any of the complaints.
Lets see what the Attorney General has to say about the Aicheles breaking the law - NYS PENAL LAW ARTICLE 190.20 INTERNET - False, Misleading, and Deceptive Advertising.
Before shooting off your big mouth when you have not read what the numerous complaintants have written and posted, then stay out of it.
You need to read up on tie downs and how badly they damage a horse's spine and neck by holding its head in one position and not being able to move it freely about. Try wearing a 50 lb backpack and keeping your head held in one position for a few hours a day. Don't move your head at all..I'm betting your back would feel like it broke in half after only a few minutes. Yet, in your circle of friends you think its acceptable to treat an animal that way.
A "rider" uses a tie down and a curb chain as a Crutch because they are abusive and afraid and want to be in CONTROL of the horse. They want people to see them- to SHOWBOAT- riding a horse with so much tack that to people who don't know anything about horses, it appears the rider is on this spirited horse that needs to be controlled.
There are many pictures on the Aicheles website showing how they ride their horses with harsh tie downs and how clearly miserable the horses are. Take a look at the bits they use, pretty nasty stuff.
My horse didn't deserve to be treated the way he was by the Aicheles. He was a little boy's horse and had only been trained to ride around inside a ring. You bet I called his former owner and got an ear full as well as a DEPOSITION.
He had marks on his body that were consistent with beatings and neglect. His swollen knees and hooves were proof enough. Lorraine didn't think twice when she hit him in front of me, I can only imagine what went on at their place. Someone sent me a letter and told me the Aicheles tie horses to trees and beat them. After seeing McGoo's injuries, I believed they did that to him.
If you knew anything about horses, you would know how long it takes to train a horse to be safe to ride. Anyone can ride a horse in an arena, but selling an kid's Arena horse as a finished dead broke bomb proof road safe trail horse is a SIN and they call themselves Christians?
Since you like those "Redneck jokes" the Aicheles and CJ have passed along, you would think $700 a month is a lot of money to train a horse. If you had a child with special needs and it cost $700 month to pay for special schooling so the child could function normally in our society, would you balk at paying that? Probably. I think all of you hippocrites would. God forbid you should spend money on an innocent animal that gives you unconditional love. My horse's training will continue on after May 1st by ME for years to come. That is in the best interest of my horse- so he will always be safe and trained to ride in case something happens to me and he needs to be placed. He has already been added to our last will and testament, so he will be safe from people like the Aicheles if something happens to us. Trained horses need to be ridden regularly in a gentle manner, because if not, they end up sold at auctions... pawned off because they have forgotten what to do, or have become afraid, and are unsafe and its not their fault.
The Aicheles took my horse, a gentle arena horse and took it upon themselves to abuse him- by putting harsh tack on him and forcing him to do things against his will, giving lessons for money so the Aicheles could pay their bills.
BTW, I agree that bits are harsh and stopped using them years ago. Lorraine practically ripped McGoo's tongue out of his mouth when she stopped here to "correct" him not whoaing. She also beat the ### out of him in front of us. Unacceptable. She claims to be a Christian yet practices violence with such a lack of empathy and disregard for life. YOU tell them from ME.. tick tock tick tock tick tock...tick tick tick tick May 1st will be here in a day or so. Then my complaint and evidence to the Attorney General goes out against them - to include Jennifer Connellys letter she wrote to me on the internet.
Maybe- just maybe- they should considering appologizing to me. Last year they refused to mediate this matter for a mere $1300 or so, half the price I paid for the horse. Now look. My complaint opened up a hornets nest . Imagine what my complaint to the AG MAY do? Do they really want the AG going after them for posting false and misleading advertisements on the internet just to make a sale? They need to research what happens to businesses who engage in the regular practice of unethical and untruthful advertising. Not pretty. Lots of $$$ in fines too.
Shoot me an email and I will be happy to send you all of their internet advertisements, email letters, etc that I are going off to the Attorney General. Then you can see their unethical character. Had you READ all of the complaints posted, you would have found that I posted their internet advertisements on my horse as well as the emails they sent me. You chose not to but decided to attack me without knowing the entire facts.
And You think $700 a month is a LOT for training? My trainer works and rides him 5 times a week all year outside, to include cleaning out his stall, feeding and caring for him - at least 15 hours a week. Lets see... $700 divided by 4 weeks is $175 week. $175 divided by 15 hours of working with my horse averages $11.67 per hour. Now lets take out his hay, grain and hoof supplements out of that rate. Should I go ON? And YOU think she is ripping me off? She is a John Lyons Certified horse trainer, who spent over a year training under him, another year interning, and 5 more years training horses out in Colorado. Quite frankly, I think $700 is a BARGAIN. She has a 2 year old and 3 year old that are dead broke and bombproof and little kids ride them. I live in a very tight nit horse community and the boarding facilities that are nearby my farm charge at LEAST $500 on up to $800 for full care. If you are a barrel racer, then you may have heard of Jill Moody. She is #3 in the WORLD in Barrel Racing and guess what? She and her husband TRAINED my horse for their little boy to ride around in their riding ring. I have spoken with them and McGoo was trained as a 2 year old as MOST Quarter Horses ARE. Would you like to see a video of her competing in the World Finals? You may want to check on the Le Cesse Ranch in Montana that the AQHA endorses. They train using 100% natural horsemanship methods. They start 2 year olds for 3 weeks, then start them back up at 3 years old and finish them. They are then offered for sale as 3 years old DEAD BROKE.
Because the tie down was so short on McGoo ( I have pictures), he could not move freely about. To get away from the pain, he was crossing one leg over the other which caused him to knock his knees together. His knees were swollen to twice their size, they were rubbed down to the hide with fresh scabs, no hair..
Our Vet checked him and said whatever they did to him, was abuse. He now has scar tissue on his knees which will have to be removed at one point.
YOU seem to care what I have had to pay my trainer and you said she was ripping me off. Shes a very hard working woman and you bet I am going to stick up for her. AND why on EARTH would anyone want to send their horse out for training at $700 per month if it was already broke to ride? Think about that. I have better things to do with my money - like caring for my other 3 horses and pets.
On the top of this page where it says "Read More Complaints on this Company" type in Family Equine under SEARCH.
There are many complaints up there with worse stories than mine. You can also "Google" Family Equine and whichever 2 complaints are read the most on this complaint board will pop up. There is another complaint site My3cents.com - I haven't written anything on there but one sure did well over a year ago. What a coincidence that Family Equine sold a horse to a woman, Gina, not too long ago. If you have anything further to say, email me. This is a Complaint Board- not a chat room and personally I don't have time for narrowed minded people like you. If you think a 3 year old horse doesn't have the capability of learning how to be trained to ride "dead broke" then thats your mindset. The Aicheles shouldn't have advertised my horse that way.
COPY AND PASTE THIS URL INTO YOUR WEB BROWSER.
It will show all of the complaints.
http://www.complaintsboard.com/?search=family+equine
Yes, 99% of everyone who reads our complaints and comments believes it because the proof we have doesn't lie. And no, I have never complained against a business before because we only deal with reputable class act business owners. Something your friends are not. They will say and post anything to sell a horse. I am counting the HOURS when I send all of my evidence to the Attorney Generals Office for INTERNET FRAUD. It will be on record forever. There are others who are sending their information too. Who knows? Maybe I ll get some $$$$ back. Who cares? I don't. People like you and your circle of friends never get far in life. You reap what you sow. Are you on the sowing end or the reaping end right at this moment? You are all such a miserable angry bunch of people. What a horrible way to live.
