it looks like hit web design is now isowebworks.com! Buyer beware. I checked out their web site and it looks like the last product that hit was selling is isowebdesigns only product... so, you hall have been warned!
Well Mr. Morill, it looks like you are selling the same product that hit was selling. the one where you can change your own pictures, etc. I pushed that every day and you are using the same product. So, did hit let you use that software? or is hit just starting under another name?
Also, you just made your LLC on March 8th of this year, the same day HIT closed their doors. How in the heck can you get sooooo many testimonials? Also, you are using the same girl in the photo that hit has used. Also, are the examples that you posted from hit as well? Im sure that we will find out... If all those testimonials are true, why not put what city they are from?
HEck, I can go put up 500 fake testimonials right now!
So you MAGICALLY QUIT THE SAME DAY YOU STARTED THIS BUISNESS?
Did HIT let you have all the leads too?
KEVIN MORRILL, YOU WONT GET AWAY WITH THIS, I GUARANTEE IT.. TOO MANY SMART PEOPLE THAT WON'T LET U SCAM AGAIN!
You know that they will eventually start something up under a name that no one reckognizes. nor a web site that looks all too familiar. We can't police everything that they do. Atleast the Utah county attorney is doing something about it (I hope)at least that is what they told me. Everyone needs to fill out their form. The more the merrier...
Im almost 100 percent positive that Tanner Wolsey is part of this hit web spinnoff isowebworks. He loved that program when it was called HIT EXPRESS, he loved showing people how it works, so yea, there is no way that dave aitken and the clan don't know about this new company. ITs a wolf in wolfs clothing, lol...
I am in for a protest at Daves house... Im dead serious. someone should set up a blog so we dont have to keep posting here. when it comes to what we will be doing, like protesting, etc. maybe we should keep it here, lol...
I actually worked next to TIMMY as Tanner would call him, I wondered how he hit 2-3k dollars in revenue a day.. He would tell every customer that their hosting is due and would give them 3 free month for paying for 2 years. Some people had already paid for 2 years and fell for this scam. I ACTUALLY heard him with my own ears and saw with my own eyes.. HE IS ALSO A SCAMMER Hit loved him because he made so much money. hey i could have done the same if i wanted to lie... The plot thickens
Noticed how ISOWEBWORKS took out their form on the front page? i bet they were swamped with bogus info, lol
I knew that isowebworks would take the client list and try to make money! BTW, KSL will have a report at 10 pm tonight! IT looks like they are going to be exposed. They also say that isowebworks is hit web design.. I just saw an ad for it a second a go... Dont miss it!
How in the heck are they going to pay back the 20 million dollars owed? I bet ya anything that they are still collecting hosting and diverting funds either to the owners pockets or isowebworks...
Kevin Morril magically has an LLC all ready to go the day that hit goes out of business. It takes more than a few hours to put that info together. It looks like they were planning this for some time. Plus, all the products that hit owned cant be transfered unless a bankruptcy judge give his/her blessing. they shouldnt be using hits software...
They were down to about 4 account managers. about 8 or 10 graphic design artists.Might have been more, but these are the ones that sat next to me. There were about 5 closers, 8 salespeople and and about the same tech support. then add managers and VPS etc..
I sent an email to ceo@hitwebdesign asking for monies owed to me. I hope these guys end up in jail, bankrupt and kicked out of their church. Also, to all those saying that the mormon church is letting them do this, KSL who did a great EXPOSE on hit is actually owned by the mormon church. So, that should stop those rumors...
I would love to see who is working for them. Is there anyway you can post that video/pictures? I bet everyone that is working there can be put away for fraud at hit, lol..
Also, i think its great that isowebworks and hit web design are the top 3 of the top 10 subjects of wide speculation on complaintboard.com That is awesome... Keep it up everyone. We can't let these guys get away with it again..
which brother is getting his house foreclosed on tomorrow?
I hope its jeremy, lol
WOW, are you kidding me? can you direct me to the address? I want to be there...
But, I think that they actually do the auction on the county courthouse steps, right?
I just looked up dave aitkens name and in july of this past summer, the IRS nailed him with a 3.5 million dollar lean. I wonder if that is included with the 17 million.. what are the other prinpiples? stone, and whom else?
Also they got a tanner wolsey for 120k from the american lending newtork. It looks like a foreclosure on realestate. it was dated this past october. Give me all the names involved and I can tell you what type of financial trouble they are in. Its all on the web...
Entry #: [protected] Recorded: 7/19/2010 12:37:55 PM Pages: 1
Instrument Date: 7/7/2010 Consideration:$3, 447, 085.98
Kind of Inst: N FT LN - FEDERAL TAX LIEN NOTICE Fees:$10.00
Rec Party: INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
Mail Party: DELIVERED
Tax Address: NOT APPLICABLE
Grantee(s): UNITED STATES INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
Serial Number(s): 99:999:9999
Abbv Legal Desc: - SERIAL # [protected] - SERIAL # [protected]
I made another thread entitled HIT WEB DESIGN liens
I guess there was an auction today for Jeremy Aitkens home..
I sure am glad that Dave, jeremy and the other family members have a job with isowebworks, now people like you and me are without one. Good thing that there is a thing called unemployment...
Thats why I think a lot of their money is hidden. They made sooo much money, where did it go? I think its hidden somewhere...
Funny, I was thinking the same thing earlier today when I read the story on Ja Rule... I think that they (aitken clan) will end up in prison...
I think (as Ive said in other threads) that the money is somewhere. Off shore accounts, etc. But, with a company making 20 million plus a year and having a personal tax line of almost 4 million. Dave and some of the others have to have a crapy load of cash hidden somewhere. Im speculating in a childs name or a grandparent, or manybe just a friend. A good detective will find it... IT makes me think that they had a really good thing going, I was there for the good and the bad. During the good, I hardly got any hate calls, i mean, hardly ever, (Hell, I even won a very expensive computer when they were giving away cool prizes, like harelys, in fact in using right now, lol... Then they went straight to the toilet. I think that they didn't want to put more money into the company. if they would have set up a system where the cutomer diddn't get lost and made sure everyone was happy, they would be making 50 million a year today... Greed got to them.. may the burn in hell...
They thought that the cash cow would never cease! So, they spent like they were going to make millions all the time, except they forgot to pay the irs, employees, etc.. Im confident that the main characters will go to jail.. I can hope, cant i?lol..
it took me a sec to figure out what you were trying to say...Yea, christmas is funny...at least its number 5, lol
Like I and others have said on these boards and others. We need to tell the authorities everything we know. Fill out the states paperwork and attach any other information.
IT will take time for this to happen, but I think the ship has finally sank and the Aitken klan will get their just dues.
Also, I am hoping the the VP's (especially Tanner Wolsey) will go down as well. He and others may not had a blank checkbook, but they for sure helped facilitate their scam..
Also, someone posted that a news channel in St. Louis is airing a story soon. If this is true, could someone please post the link?
The thing that makes me really wonder what I was thinking is that I wasn't only an employee but I am also a client. I never got my site done. They had all my content, etc. I was too busy working and answering phones for them and didn't have time to push "their buttons" to get my site up.. I never really worried about it too much because I worked there. STUPID ME!
I think that the most ironic thing is that when I first started working, they did a criminal background check on me. When I quit and returned they didn't do a background check.. Probably because they didn't want to be hipocrits if I did have a criminal background or they probably hoped that I did. That way it would be easier for them to get me to lie, cheat and steal..
you guys, the main reason that i haven't said anything til now because they succeeded in scaring me. Telling me that I would be sued if I posted on this or other boards. Im sure other employees/clients will say the same. When you think hit has millions of dollars and I have none is a real scare tactic. I should have come out a long time ago. I regret it. But, we cant look at the past. All we can do is move forward and I think that all of us are doing a pretty darned good job..
I just went and posted a complaint on the board that they are trying to sell hit software. It hasn't posted, its in moderation. I hope it gets put up. I at least rated their product like it should be. but, the i couldn't go any lower than poor.
Also, how are they getting our posts bumped down? I think we are smarter than they are. I think getting a blog set up with a similar url? I think its great that our posts are at least in the top 5 so they will be seen.
@utook Im sure we know each other. Lea quit a few months ago. They stopped doing training and she moved to accounting, customer service, etc until she got fed up. I really liked her. Also, Beth Anderson came back right at the end as well. Im sorry you went thru that. Im surprised that Beth would say that. She also was one of the few people in management that I actually had respect for. I wonder if she went to iso webworks..
We all need to get together and have a reunion.. @utookthewords I too as there when tanner got sworn in as a us citizen. I saw that illegal sales stuff go on. One of my good friends accidentally put in a sale the day before (as most of you know the pressure of selling was so great that im sure everyone considered putting in a bogus sale. not to get money but to get management off our backs.)
So many banana boxes and "puff" the employee was gone. I remember one employee whom had called in sick for like 4 days straight. came in and did like 3 to 4 k in sales and just as she put in the sale she was terminated. Granted, I think the girl probably just came in because she knew thats when the sale would go thru, but for them to wait and fire her after she brought in some money is rediculous..
wow, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed... iso webworks has a solid reputation, eh? give me one client that you have serviced that is happy, just one! oh, btw, im making more money on unemployment than i was at hit, since you guys didnt pay me...
You are right, i was never employed by hit...im just some poor soul that wants to waste time by helping and warning others... I dont have to prove anything to you.. the utah county attorneys office has everything.. YOU WILL BE BEHIND BARS you soon to be unemployed/soon to be convicted/idiot...
At iso webwworks ceo., So you just admitted that you used to be hit web design and now are iso web works.. looks like i know more than you..
Looks like our efforts are getting to them guys.. Lets step on the gas and give em hell...
This is what "Iso web works-Ceo" messaged me:
I'm sorry you feel that way. Contact my lawyer. If you continue posting on this website you will regret what happens next.
Tnis is what I messaged him:
Are you really Kevin? I thought that you would be a bigger man than this.. but it states that you arent in utah, so who are you?
I messaged him first then he messaged me back.. sorry for the confusion.. So, do you think this guy is for real? I so no! because if it is Kevin or one of his associates why would he put that he lives in louisiana? I think its just an employee trying to do something, what? I have no idea...
I want to know who is his lawyer? Is it Hits lawyer? if so, that would be a huge conflict of interest.
Im not worried! I have a concealed weapons permit and im always packing!
You have to be the worst hacker in the world.. If I am an ex hit employee, why in the heck would I be in Texas?
This guy is a troll. I am now not going to respond to him. I hope none of you do either...
That would be great if someone could take a screen shot of those threats? I would hate to lose them when/if they get deleted..
This kid is now truly scared.. He changed his name to "Im not Kevin- just a kid" Now thats funny!
I think you are right utook... I think at the very least he is a relative of the Aitken Klan and probably an employee that got is hands caught in the cookie jar. Why would he put so much emphasis on his age?
NOW back to the subject at hand!
I was wondering about the person in St Louis with the report they are going to do on hit? Is that person a employee/sub-contractor or an ex-client. Also, when did they say it would air? I think she said that they are going to interview her tomorrow, am I right?
I am going to complain the BBB. I know for a fact that they are a reincarnation and since they are listed with the BBB, Im going to file a complain. Since, 1. I am a customer of hit web design that never got what was promised and 2. I am an ex-employee of hit web design that never got paid..
Well, they are not a BBB accredited business so, it looks like Ill have to wait til they are. I hope that they don't...I think that the BBB is smarter than that..
Autum turchetta Is one that I would like to see go down. But, I dont think that legally will, she was low on the totum poll.. She quit/fired a few months ago. I do know where she is working now. But, she did have a girlfriend that worked at hit. Don't know her name. I wonder if they are still together..
"Also Sonny Olsen responeded to me today stated the following:
"Yes sorry to hear. I am their corporate counsel. They have hired new counsel."
That is all he stated."
I wonder if the new attorneys are criminal? Since Sonny is their corporate counsel getting someone a lawyer that specializes in criminal cases would make sense...
Remember making an LLC is a separate entity. Kevin and the rest can file for bankruptcy, but most likely their llc's will be left untouched. You have to think that an LLC is almost like an individual. But, you are right, the mangers/founders of said corporation or LLC can be held liable for illegal behavior.
The money is somewhere. Filing bankruptcy disolves most/all of the indvidual debt...
Also, We should be able to find out who is filing bankruptcy. I believe that is public record. Anyone care to look around?
I will file my personal law suit after their bankruptcies have closed.. That way, unless they have put me as one of their creditors (which I don't think that they can because Im an employee) I will have legal recourse and be able to sue them. One can only file bankruptcy once every ten or so years.
I just read somewhere on here. I have only heard that Jeremy filed.
Also, lets not forget that one of hits old managers, Tim Pennington (spelling?) defrauded people every day. I saw with mine own eyes and heard with mine own ears.. HE did anything and everything to get a sale, yes putting in sales when he never spoke to the customer..
I also saw and heard with my own eyes sales for year of hosting. He would tell a customer who is paid up for 4-6 more months and tell them that their hosting is up and get them for 1-2 more years. I would say this in court, too.. I hope that I get the chance...
Yep, I got that question all the time too! It is sad.. I would always say"we are int he in 500, yada yada" just paroting what the owners told me to say..
I think what ticks me off the most is that we were selling multiple years of hosting right up til the end. You can't tell me that the owners didn't know that they were going to close doors at least a couple of months ago, if not longer. One of my customers sent in a check about 12 days before they closed. I tried to get them to pay with a credit card but wouldn't due to the fraudulent charges that Hit had done. Now, hes really screwed. Im sure that check got cashed.
I wonder if that for everyone that has happened to equals an extra criminal charge. that would be awesome. They would have thousands upon thousands of charges.. Im betting that If charges are to be brought, that they will be brought within a a few months.. Im betting sometime this summer..
They knew that they were in trouble. Any reputable company would side on the err of caution and not take payments on the premise that they might shut their doors. I have owned a couple companies in my life and If I even had inkling that something was going to happen I would be cautious.. They milked that cow until it died...
The ironic thing is that Candie Aitken was not there every day, day after day like most of us where. She was at home with blinder on. Believing everything that her BELOVED husband told her. If her husband and the rest were indeed honest, , why are there so many people that are telling it like it is? HIT, in the beginning, mostly tried to be honest but that changed the last few years.
If he is so honest, why does he have millions of tax liens against him and the company? Why are so many employees and sub contractors left un-paid? an honest man would have an honest answer. He doesn't...
Do you guys think she is referring to this site as dragging them thru the mud? Or is there another site (other than the ones posted here) that i'm not aware of? Because everything that I've seen here has been pretty much spot on. I agree with some of your comments that the news sometimes like "make things up" or they stretch the truth. The problem is that when the news did stories about you, they gave you every opportunity to rebuff their claims. The problem is is that you (hit and the klan) couldn't...
Check this link out... /link removed/
Even tho the person is defending Matt, she is saying that she, personally, put money into personal accounts.. THIS IS FRAUD!
AND MONEY LAUNDERING!
I dont want to drag their children into it, but good grief! Their kids fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down!... I know thats cruel, but its intended to be a stab at the DNA donors, not the kids. I wonder how long the haitian kids will be here to they start their own scam. Like father like scammer...
I am glad the Haitian kids escaped their situation. But, I am afraid that they went from one bad situation to another.. Yes, you are right, the little haitian girl is adorable and Im sure that the rest of their children are great... I, too, hope that the cycle ends. This is why the Aitken Klan and their shannanagans need to stop now!
I never said any thing racist. The Hatian kids are without sin. They have parents that are thieves and liars. They will learn from their parents.. The Aitkens are trying to hide behind their good deeds. ie saving kids from Haiti. Not one thing I said was racist. Haiti is known for internet scams, it doesnt matter what color they are. White, brown, black. And they came from a bad situation to a bad situation. I feel for the Haiti kids. Judas Priest, cant you read? And I said their DNA donors. The Haitian kids cant be from their DNA, can they? You must be related to the Aitken Klan...
yes, exhidesigner, that is exactly to whom I was referring. I admit it was in bad taste. But, When someone has ripped you off for a lot of money, emotions get flowing... I was trying to leave the adopted kids out of it. But, they are still probably in a better situation here than over there, despite who their parents are.
Especially when you see Candice try to be holier than thou, I just wanted to put her in her place. She nor her family is perfect, like she think that they are...
Man, I wish we could edit these posts for grammar...
That blog of hers really ticked me off. She really does have blinders on. It's obvious that she believes everything that Dave tells her. She think that her husband and the other owners/VP's were honest. Boy, if she could have been there on a day to day basis.
I guarantee that Dave and the rest truly do believe that they are innocent. Why can't they stand up and tell the truth? Take their lumps like adults! I guarantee they will go to their death beds declaring them innocent. I can't wait til they have their day in court. Also, if they did nothing wrong, why are hiding? This whole thing makes me sick.
We should tally up how much they owe us..
Me=$1200 in unpaid wages and another 800 or so for my website that they never even started... So, = $2, 000 (I know its a bit more, but I don't want to exaggerate it)
I have filled out the form on their web site, I put my name in and say moneybackplease as my last name I send it like 50x day.. Im not spamming them, just asking for the money owed to me...
oh, btw, exhit, I love your last names on those recordings, quinones, ect.. it was funny on the one that it seemed like you gave 2 versions of your last name.. I laughed my butt off..
Things were quiet today. Did HIT refund and pay all their employees all of a sudden?
I think that it is totally appropriate to speak to Dave's Bishop. I certainly don't think that he is even close to living a truthful life. If/when there is criminal charges brought against him and he is found guilty, Im sure that he will be excommunicated. At the very least Im sure that they will find that he isn't worthy to hold a temple recommend. Even if he does slip thru the cracks. He knows, deep under, what the truth is and I know that he will be judged properly. I almost (I mean ALMOST) feel sorry for his family. They didn't ask for this. Im sure that he is bringing them almost as pain as he brought most of us..
-Almsost as much pain-
They really need to get an edit function. But being able to edit a post would defeat this boards purpose, i guess...
LOL, I cant even get it right the second time... -Almost as much pain- I really need to get more sleep at night...
I think I've figured out why they haven't filed for bankruptcy protection. They would not have been able to give the software that iso web works is selling. If they would have filed, all their assets would have been overseen by a court. I wonder how much they spent getting iso web works going?
Do you think that they ever will file?
I would love if they were to call me. I would lead them on for months... Wast their time, etc.
I wonder if we (employees that were left unpaid and the customers that got ripped off) could file a lawsuit against iso web works because they are selling an asset of hit web design?I don't think that they can legally sell assets when they have so many liens against them. I think they just dug themselves a big hole when they opened up iso web works.
Also, bankruptcy is mostly used for re-organization. I don't think that they ever plan on trying to set hit up again.. oh, wait, they already did!
I have been a 1099 before and it really wasn't on the books til they sent me that 1099. Maybe there are legal forms that you can fill out at the beginning. Im just wondering how one can verify a 1099 status when they haven't even been open for a year. Im not doubting at all that he is a sub contractor and not considered an employee. I just wonder where we can find the proof, other than say-so..
Again, Im not doubting anything, It would ease my mind to know for sure and be documented..
Doesn't one have to go thru the labor commission when its an employee not getting paid? I was advised to submit the claim with them. Im afraid if I file a civil suit, it would be like throwing money down the tube because I don't think that one would never see a cent due to hit not having any assets and the list with people with their hand out is very long.. Im not holding my breath with the labor commission.
I wonder if the iso/hit employees were actually paid for their time at hit. That would make me even madder, if that is even possible...
On one of my last days there a salesman had 17k in sales and 50 percent of it was taken upfront. I believe that they were at least averaging 10k a day in sales. I think that the irs was taking every bit out of their accounts and im sure that they would have put all that money into one of the VPs personal account.
The only reason I think that they didn't do this is that they knew it would land all of them in jail Although, Ive heard that they did indeed deposit monies into the personal accounts of the owners and VP's.. Each time that they did this would be equal to 1 count of wire fraud. Im sure that we will see a lot of counts of theft by deception, outright theft, wife fraud, money laundering, ect...
That pisses me off to no end... I feel that I got suckered. I trusted them.
So, Im assuming that you are implying the business year. I think the business year is up in July, or June? so, would we be in the 4th qtr now? or did they not file since the summer of last year?
The unemployment officer told me that they hadn't received unemployment for a while. Luckily, I am receiving unemployment due to an old case that I opened and never started receiving the benefits. The ironic thing is I couldn't receive the unemployment because I got a job at Hit... Im very thankful that i applied for them when I did. If I hadn't I would be really screwed...
Thats awesome unscrewed. Do you have an insider? (friend/family) I know that you have to be careful so that you can still get the info. But, I hope that you documenting everything. (Im sure that you are)..
I guess we are just waiting and hoping that the government files charges.
I wonder what happened to GarrettR? He comes across as i nice guy, but in end he is just a big ### butt kisser. He was made a manager as soon as John left. Most managers at the end were nothing but followers that could be strung along by the nose...
Wow, This thing is deeper than i thought.. It looks like that Dave and the rest did more than turn a blind eye.. It looks like they "conspired" most of it..
I had a feeling that they didn't take a pay cut during "our hard" times. Hell, why should they. We were all suckers...
This probably why its taken so long for the government to get involved. They are probably finding a new charge at every turn.
Dave already has a personal tax lien of well over 3 million dollars. I believe its close to 4 million... Im sure its a matter of time til the other owners get one/more as well...
Yea, , ive been looking at it looks like Mark got hit with an IRS lien for 1/4 million in 2003. Looks like the IRS also hit MArk for3.4million... Probably a lot more...
It looks like the urscrewed posted is the company that did temp staffing. At least that is what I deduced from their web site..
Wait--I looked to quickly. It looks like barrett is a consulting firm... Boy, either Hit didn't listen or Barrett business is terrible, lol...
your right, it looks like a release. I looked at one lien that the IRS did a few months ago. The total was for a little over 500 bucks.. It looks funny when you are seeing liens for millions and hundred of thousands and then you see a little itty bitty tiny one.. I thought, "when they opened that, I bet they let out a huge sigh of relief"...
I don't.. Then again, I knew few people out of my area. I was too busy making the Aitken klan rich...
I guarantee he will seek asylum in Canada before that happens. Just like that actor who was in VACATION and Vegas vacation. He and his wife left for Canada to escape prosecution. (not in the movie, but in real life. This happened just a few month ago...)
I know that when it comes to white collar crime, etc, that it can take a long time til we see an arrest. There may have to be grand jury indictment, ect. Unless its a violent crime, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see anything til late this year, ore even early next. If they start questioning the principles and they lawyer up would drag it out longer, lawyers are known for delays etc...
I'm very anxious to see something done as well. The good thing that it does sound like the investigation has been going on for some time, So, indeed, we could see things happen any day...
That was actually very smart of them to get a temp agency involved. They were able to perpetuate their scam even longer. They knew that the staffing agencies would pay their employees, etc. Chalk up some more felonies! Hit is a pseudonym for con...
Also, someone made a post a while back saying that they didn't pay their hosting fee because they gave free hosting, ect with sites.. I never gave hosting away. ever ever ever...I did give fee sitemaps and stayntouch (if they had a big enough hosting plan) with their paid hosting. I made my living off selling hosting. Im sure they would claim that they gave it away.. We would give Sitemaps and stayntouch with a year or more of prepaid hosting. ((I think they just pocketed this money))It literally take 30 seconds to instal a sitemap And stayntouch about 5 minutes... The only thing hit had to pay was for manpower to get these installed.
Even if I sold a web site and I sold a ton of enhancements, I would never give them hosting. This is just another blame tactic for hit. They made a ton of money... They never gave refunds, well, maybe 25 percent back or if they were lucky 50 percent. (I wondered why we would still get commissioned even if they cancelled their service)I still believe that there is nice chunk of change that is sitting somewhere...
I'll never forget when I was in training. The first 3 customers that I spoke with all purchased yoh in their welcome call. I thought, this is the easiest money in the world. Back during the good times, I would never leave work without 100 bucks in spiff money, sometimes over 200. Most of you don't remember spiffs, they were all too nice. I would make more money with spiffs than I would with my hourly rate.. Bowling for dollars and mystery envelope, lol...
Im not going to lie. I made a ton of money at hit. If I made a lot, don't you think the VP's and owners weren't making it too?
The only "free" items that I saw were. 1. Sitemap ( I would die when I saw that someone paid 200 bucks or more for a stupid sitemap that is usually free with every website).. 2. Stayntouch marketing tool (hit owned this item, so again it didn't cost them anything) 3 discounted blogs (that were done in the free word press). THATS IT.. HIT would never give something of "value" for free. And they would only give free stuff and discounted items if a customer paid for a lot of over priced enhancements.
At the beginning they would charge only 250 to 300 bucks for a flash banner. When I left, they wouldn't sell one for less than 650... I never figured out why the steep price increase..
Also, if you worked at hit in any department you were considered a sales person. At least the AM's where just after market sales. lol...
I did hear of some departments not care if you sold or not. But, if you were in sales(obv) or an AM or tech support, they pushed sales like no other. THis pitted employee against employee. Everyone accusing each other for stealing sales, etc...
Also, this made un-authorized sales happen all the time. I don't think that any employee would put thru a bogus sale to line their pockets, they did this to get management off their backs...
What else should/can I do? I have submitted my claim thru the labor commission. I can/will testify to what I saw there. It looks like some of you have been able to actually go a bit further. They never issued me a bad check. They just kept promising me that I would get paid for weeks and I bought it...
oh, and I also filled out the form that they Utah county attorneys sent me.. Im guessing that is all I can do at the moment, correct?
IF you have his phone number, it wouldn't take much for you to ask him.. I really liked Steve. But, then again, Tanner, Steve and GarretR were the 3 amigos. I understand that GarretR has nothing to do with it. but since those 3 were so close, it wouldn't surprise me if Tanner conned steve into it. Promising to get back paid, etc.
Tanner had on his ring that song, from that movie, cant remember the name, but when the 4 guys went to vegas to have a bachelor party and the guy was on the roof the whole time.. and that guy with the beard sang." we are the best friends anyone could have" Tanner was referring to Steve, Garrett and himself.
Thats another thing. How are the iso web works folks getting paid? did HIT give them a bunch of start up money or are they getting unsuspecting customers? I wonder if all of those at iso have been either paid all their monies from hit or did they tell them that this is a new entity? Boy, would I love to be a fly on wall inside their offices..
I wonder why the IRS didn't work a deal out with HIT? DId the owners not want to work with them? It does not benefit the IRS or others by having HIT close their doors. I don't think that the IRS is that stupid. I do know that if one does have a lien against them that the lien holder can and will got into your bank accounts and take all the money in said bank accounts until the lien has been paid off.
1. Do you guys think that IRS tried to work something out and HIT just said "to hell with you"? or 2. Was it the IRS that didn't want to work something out? It wouldnt make sense for the IRS not to work out something. Im sure that they knew that there were very little to no assets.
The whole thing is perplexing to me... Maybe it was just easier to say "screw" you all and start up under another name, like they did? I wish I knew all the answers...
That posting is interesting. It looks like they posted it on March 30th of this year just before 8am.. I wonder if they are using Heritages account with them? With the leads that iso has and if they do some marketing, there is no question that they are finding unsespecting people every day.
They probably took a lot of the accounts that owed a lot of money to hit so that they can finish them an bring in revenue.
IS all this info making it to the proper authorities? Is there one person in charge of the investigation? Anyone know?
Holy crap! I just noticed that they have 3 different job openings. Flash designer, Tech support, and photoshop, html.. How are they getting the money to hire? Especially when so many people have been left un-paid? THIS MAKES ME SICK!
I've reported regtr posts. Everyone, report regtr posts. They should be able to shut down his/her ip address so they can't continue to spam..
I agree that there is a lot of unfair complaints against a lot of companies, especially on the net. But, with this isn't the case with hit web design. OVer the last few years, there were (what seemed to be a lot)of complaints of this board, but when you put things into perspective they were relatively few. Most people know that about this site, too. The main problem with HIT and iso webworks is that they are an outright scam. Hundreds of employees are left unpaid. Hundreds, if not thousands, of customers were left paying a lot of money with nothing to show for it.
Hit web design took all the money that they had and started a new company called iso webworks. This "new" company used the same url addresses, computers, and was started by one of their VP's. Hit also owes almost 20 million in taxes and 50k to their old insurance provider, 300k to one temp agency. They did all this and then closed their doors. Then they opened up a new company (ISo) They are at the very least dishonest and at the most criminal in what they did.
This is not a complaint that isn't deserved, trust me, im an employee that is owed a lot of money...
Hit aka Iso web works screwed a lot of peopl
ok, now its time to ignore you complaintboardisascam...
OK, Ill just waste a little more time.. IF you guys check out complainboardisascam profile and check out the posts he/she has made you will notice that he copied the same comment that he posted here first to an actual praise of a company not a complaint. This just proves that he/she doesn't even bother to read the main complaint. He is assuming that its a complain.. what an idiot. I laughed for 5 minutes...
Ok, now im done, lol...
That is the question I have been asking all along... I think it somewhere. Off shore maybe? In the name of a close friend or relative? I think its almost impossible for them not to have a crap load of cash somewhere. Hit was bringing in tens of thousands of dollars a day yet employees werent paid, irs wasn't paid, temp service agencies weren't paid, sub-contractors weren't paid, the hosting company wasn't paid.. So yes, where did it go?
@only guilty men
You should probably be careful when you say "we can't guarantee your safety" I understand what you are saying, but others might perceive this as a threat. You may want to clarify on what you meant..
How did they learn that they were under investigation?
That is weird about saragellerman. She did post some very interesting info. But, I caught some discrepancies, i.e. giving away hosting with a web site, etc. If she is related to Kevin, what good would it do by posting some damming evidence?
I've also been thinking about the claims that Dave Aitken was making concerning the economy and Hits problems. Right before the 1st round of pay cuts, he was telling us that we weren't hitting goals, etc but the most ironic thing is that all the people that I was associate with was hitting their goals plus! How can the company be in so much trouble yet the income was the same or higher as it always was?
I didn't pay too much attention to what sales did, but with the Am's, design, tech support, we always hit or superseded our goals day in and day out. Now, looking back, they just used it as an excuse to line their pockets..
Or maybe they were just the worst business people in the world and didn't know how to budget. I would put my money on their lining their pockets with our wages...
I went back to look at saragellermans posts. If she is with the Kevin and if its is true that all of what she said isn't true, Ill be really bummed out! I went and real all of her complaints that date back to the end of December.
Why don't you guys look up all her complaints and see if you think she is pro iso webworks.. I want to believe that she isn't, she has posted too many negative things.. Again, I will be really bummed out of this is true. I think she is the one that said something about having accounting back up files, etc. Go check them out and see what you guys think. If you dont already know how, just click on her name and then it will pull up her info..
Hey, who has the video of the owners/workers? I need to message that person ASAP...
That Fox affiliate talked to me today and I told her that there is a video of the owners of hit/iso walking in and out of the offices. they are running the story on tuesday and would love to have any video/photo of the old building and the new building.. Like i said, they are running the story on Tuesday, If its any good, it may be picked up nationally.. So, if any of you have photos/videos please let me know..
All this wage info is confusing me. From my investigation a employer must pay an ex-employee within 3 business days from parting with the company. So, regardless, all employees should have been paid in full 3 days after they "closed" their doors. Also, the penalty is 5 percent per day up to 20 days. If im wrong on any of the above, please correct me.
Also, fox utah isn't doing the story, remember the post about the fox affiliate in missouri? I was contacted by the Bonita, the person doing the story. She would like any pictures/video of the owners/employees/building old and new..I don't have them but if you do I can give you the info. There is a person that is asking some posters to send them videos, etc from this board. She is sending a private messages to some people.
So, if anyone has any of the above, please send it to her or me...
When they "forgot" to give me my commissions on my check about 1.5 years ago, I didn't ask them for the 5 percent. I should have, it was a lot of money. I honestly thought i would never see that money. I sent a personal email to Dave and told him that I was shorted almost 2k. I think that must of scared him. I received my check within a couple days.. He probably thought that I knew about the 5 percent rule, (which I didn't). Im just grateful that I received my full check. This was during the time when a lot of checks weren't clearing.
Im receiving unemployment, but like i said before, Im receiving it because I had an older case that was never closed. Otherwise, I wouldn't be receiving it. That would be great if others can. The unemployment officer told me that they hadn't paid into the unemployment system for a long time, so that would be awesome if they are paying others...
So, should I amend my wage claim? 1. i forgot to put in the penaty 2. I put the bowling alley address in provo.
Bonita (the reporter) called me last week to see if I had any video of the company. I didn't. I wish I would have video taped the old building. It makes me nervous when the Utah county attorney corrected himself when he said that he didn't know if anything illegal has taken place. I know he has to be careful, but come on!
maybe we should go to vipstores.net and spamm the ### out of them...
I haven't heard anything regarding my wage claim. I do have to amend it to include the penalty...
Looks like we need to start a thread with oursiteworks.com Which domain name are they using? probably a lot. But we need to add this one.. Have any of you been contacted privately yet? I have been contacted by a few people that say that iso has contacted them and it smelled fishy and they asked my opinion...
That picture of Dave walking in says a 1000 words...AWESOME!
This new company that Tanner is supposedly starting at must be a start up by him. Who in their right mind would hire him? Hes the biggest horses butt! Thats putting it nicely. Im sure it will be another spin-off...
And they say there is no connection between iso and hit.. LOL...
www.landofmoab.com was interesting. Matt chronkite is the author. If they are so separate, why doesn't he mention dave aitken and the others working there?
Yea, that picture of tanner looks like a deer caught in its headlights. I can hear what hes saying "What the hell are you doing?" yea, he knows that a picture was taken of him. Im sure it made him nervous as hell, too... AWESOME!
Ill neve forget one phone call I had. Someone on the floor had just sold something. Obviously the customer who was pissed on my line heard all the clapping, etc. He said, "sounds like you guys sold another sucker with all that excitement going on" I laughed and said, yep, you are right..
Ill never forget that call, he was dead on.
I dont know how many web sits hit did that rented cabins out. But, I was an AM about 2 years ago. They were just starting. they needed a database (which I sold them). I wonder if they are the same people. I went on leave right after this, so I didn't have any further contact and their site was just going, so the grief probably hadn't started yet..
I bet a lot us have spoken to the same customers, probably lots of times...
to Earl: Good luck. And way to go. At least you are standing up to them. Keep us posted...
I meant Earnest.. Sorry..
At least now we know why they left chase or should I say, Chase left them. Im sure they wouldn't do anything illegal, hence the change to central bank. OBv, im assuming, but it makes sense.. Why would they leave Chase? They used Chase as the reason the checks would bounce at the very beginning..
About the BBB complain. I didn't think that they would have enough business for a complaint yet, but since they are hit, it isn't surprising. Also, I submitted my claim weeks ago a haven't heard a thing.
Also, I know that there are programs and software out there that will tell you what key words a company is paying for. That would be nice to put an ad every place they do. It would be costly, yet fun.
I lived on those energy drinks that they would buy. I would drink 2 or 3 of those monsters... Tanner was really a bellhop in Park City. I hope he was able to live his hourly wage because no ### like that would be given a tip. Seriously, he is the biggest jerk/dickwad/[censored]/ In the world.
The only reason I was able to tolerate him is that I told him I couldn't sale if he busted my balls. Animals are treated better than what he treated his employees.
I would hope that if anyone receives any compensation that they would report it here. What is the states next steps if they don't receive any money? Do they just put a "lien" against them, which we will never see? I don't hold much hope that I will ever see a dime. The only recourse would be to sue them, correct? But, I have heard that our only legal recourse is to file thru the labor commission. Any ideas? or hope?
Yea, Ill never forget Tanner telling me that "we should be ok with payroll at the beginning of march, at the latest" Well, thats when they shut their doors.. I was told this at the beginning of Feb. Im 100 percent certain that this was a well planned event with many months in the making...
What you said reminds me when Austin Powers' dad tol Dr. Evils henchmen to Just lie down, you dont even have a name tag. You might as well give up and lie down"
Holy ###! It looks like Kevin is selling all of Hits assets! I thought he had nothing to do with hit. What a LIAR! I hope this is getting into the right hands...
I agree with most of your statements. Were you paid in full? I am owed a couple grand. I have said a couple things on this board that I totally regret. I said them in heat of passion, if you will. I understand that we should try to be civil and professional. Did you just find out about this board? or have you been watching it since day one?
I think having millions of dollars of liens against them is a big deal too. Especially the liens with the temp employee company. It looks like they had zero intentions of paying them. Also, I have heard that they have made numerous "deals" with most of their creditors, including the IRS and they didn't even try to make good.
They didn't pay the insurance carrier when they were deducting it from our checks. This is from Aetna. Aetna dropped Hit a couple of years ago, yet they have a lien against them for 50k. This board is like therapy for most. I know that I feel better when I vent. Why not vent here? its not like they are going to bring this board into court and submit it as evidence.
Don't take me wrong, but it seems like you are defending them one second and then denouncing them the next.
There are a few posts that personally attack. (Unfortunately, I made a post a while back that I totally regret) but, as a whole, I think the personal attacks are small, percentage wise. Also, there have been consumers here that we helped before they purchased from iso. Also, there have been consumers that say that they wish that they knew about this site before they purchased.
No matter what, there will be people that will post what they want. Also, this isn't the only thread about iso. I don't know why the thread that I started became the place, lol...
But, Im glad you found it. We need more posters to post informative posts.
Im glad that there is only 1 real thread regarding this mess. It would be a pain to search thru a lot of useless threads to get very little info. I think it was timing as to why this thread became the thread.
I know that people have slowed down on posting because there isn't too much happening. Thats why we need people like cocktacular to bring new info to the thread. I feel like im beating a dead horse every time that I post something.
Also, I too, think that we are a long way away from seeing charges against them. The whole thing is a huge mess and I bet that when the investigators open one door 2 doors open. I just hope that they are working on it. Im sure that they are, but when you don't officially hear anything for a couple months, I tend to get nervous.
Also to cocktacular, someone did post all the names of those that are part of iso. Did anyone verify that Tanner left iso?
Are you referring to iso regarding it or development being burnt? If so, what are the details as you know them? (If you want to share)
@Empower: I agree with you. We might think differently if they came clean and owned up to what they owe. I like how Sonny olsen said that they will pay employees asap, yea, right! I think that I may file a civil lawsuit against them. I don't think Jeremy has a personal tax lien against him. Maybe he does. But, if he doesn't I may get most of my money back. Or he can give me his boat, lol..
I agree. Candace opened up her own can of worms when she tried to defend Dave. In my opinion, there is no way that she didn't know about the crap that went on at hit. Maybe she didn't know to the extent of the happenings, but she knew...
Weren't we just talking about personal attacks? I don't agree attacking someone that is 100 percent innocent. I think some people aren't getting the entire picture. The pain and destruction that the HIT owners/managers have done is almost unforgivable. Lives were ruined. Many, many laws were broken Yet they continue to defraud. Anyone that is/was willing to go to iso has some culpability. (those that know the story and/or came from hit)
We aren't talking about a few individuals owing others some money. We are talking about years of fraud. Thousands of businesses ruined along with their livli hood. Employees losing their homes/cars/possessions. Lie after lie. Then we have iso continuing this behavior. I honestly don't think that some people have honestly grasped the depth of the situation. ITS HUGE! Then we keep on getting slapped in the face. Especially the last stint with "Kev" selling hits furniture/computers when I AND MANY OTHERS ARE OWED MONEY!
Someone has to stop them. I will do my best to help make that happen.
Lately, it seems people are trying to underscore the HIT/Iso issues. It pisses me off when I see someone try and defend ANYTHING that they do. And to listen to it was just pissing me off. If I am way off regarding the new people to the board, accept my apologies. But, when someone comes on the board and tries devalue a crime, i.e tax liens that go back years (and yes, I think it was a crime because they took my taxes and health insurance out and didn't pay it to the proper authorities> THAT IS STEALING, PLAIN AND SIMPLE which is s crime).
It just pisses me off! I have a right to be. Most people here have a right to be. There are thousands of people that haven't posted here that have a right to be.. Whats that saying? IM MAD AS HELL AND I"M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE, lol...
I don't live that close. But, I have a daughter that works near there. ill try my best, but if someone that lives up in the area could make a quick drive by and see whats happening?
It would would be awesome if the truck said "IRS" on the side, lol...
By the way, what ever happened to Lance Card? I wish I had that guys job at hit. All he did was walk around..
Also, it would make sense that someone may have purchased all of HITS equipment. But, yea, it would have been nice to get the info/owner of that truck. So when the ### does hit the fan, the authorities know where to go pick up the stolen stuff.
I bet that they took all the computers, monitors, servers, cables, office equipment to iso. Then they took all the good stuff and decided to sell the surplus. The nerve of them! They are thumbing their noses at us! What is Kevins defense when it comes to the equipment. He says that hit/iso isnt connected, yet they have all the employees and equipment from hit.
Do they really think that we are that stupid? All they did was change their name and location. Other than that, its business as usual.
I honestly didn't think that I could get more upset than what I was at the beginning. I surprise myself daily. I do indeed get more upset daily. It sure will be a relief when they have to face the music.
Do you guys think that they are just sitting back and not worrying about any of this? I do. They think that they are untouchable. They think that they are above the law.
When there is a trial (which I hope to hell that there is one) I will be there every day. It will be fun to watch them go down. Go ahead guys, keep thinking and doing what you are doing. There will be a day for judgement. TRUST ME!
What Kevin doesn't understand is that when a company has a lien on them, by law they cannot sell anything of value. Lets watch him try to dig himself out of that one! I wonder what the penalty is for this. It must be along the lines of receiving stolen property.
Every dollar that Hit receives needs to be going to the liens and employees that weren't paid. I sure as hell haven't received my money!
Im a bit confused. Is iso still doing business at their location in AF?
I called their phone number yesterday and it seemed like they were still in business. I bet they just moved to someones house. With a business like this, you don't need a walk in clientele. It wouldn't be too hard to call them and make a deal and then tell them that you have to send a check.
Also, I think that there is a very good possibility that Dave and others may leave the country. If they have enough money stashed away, why not? a dollar goes a long way in rural mexico. But, you are right, they have a lot of roots here in Utah and it would be difficult for them to do this, Plus, they honestly think that they haven't done anything wrong, so in their minds, why leave?..
Just called and pressed 2 for sales and a woman answered. I think her name was Becky or Ricci. They are indeed still in business, the question is where. It shouldn't take too much looking to find out where...
ALl these different business names have me confused. So, ppcmanagement.com is a hit company?
The only way that she could collect is if she worked for another company. When I applied for unemployment the DWS said that hit hadn't put money into the system for months. The only reason that I am receiving benefits is that I put in for benefits about 3 years ago but I didn't collect because I got a job at hit. If Hit didnt shut their doors, I would have never called the DWS and wouldn't be receiving benefits. It was a blessing in disguise that they closes. Maybe she had an older case like me.
Is unemployment public knowledge?
That makes me sick. I hope that those that are collecting unemployment and also working for iso get caught for double dipping. Those that have video/pictures need to go to the dws site and fill out the fraud info. I believe you can turn someone in if you believe they are committing fraud... The drama continues... Those [censored]...
You know dumpster? HIt had a really good thing going. If they would have ran the business like a business and ran it honestly, They could have gone public. Greed got to them. They didn't know how to run a business. They should have hired a big gun from another company or Someone that knew what they were doing. Hit sometimes brought in 1 million dollars a month. They had a good thing going. Now, they are going to jail...They didn't want to earn their money, they basically stole it.
Do you guys think this is the same kevin? http://whois.pho.to/kevin_morrill_po_box_955/
How many Kevin morrills are there in Utah?
Also, what is the link to kevins blog? I can't seem to find it..
It looks like iso has gone under, or maybe they just changed names. I like how Matt still criticizes the employees that weren't paid. It would be interesting to see what exactly has happened to iso. Have they relocated? and if so, where?
Im just speculating that they have gone under. someone said that their offices are empty after a truck loaded up and hauled stuff off. As of Friday, they still were answering the phones.
If this is true, I believe that the Utah County Attorneys office needs to know...Even if its a rumor, they still need to know...
I couldn't figure out for the longest time what Tim Pennington was doing to bring in so much revenue. Until I sat next to him... He would tell everyone that he talked to that their hosting has run out. He told everyone this, even if they had paid their hosting just a couple of months ago. It made me sick. I would never go that far and tell a flat lie. Every salesman will sugar coat things, but to flat out lie is inexcusable. Obv, Tanner and other management turned a blind eye. Everyone thought he was the "###" but as I figured out at my time there, if someone is selling a ton of stuff, most likely they are doing something fishy. Tim should go down with the rest of them.
As far as my claim with goes. Im not counting on anything. I honestly doubt that I will every see a dime. But by damn, Ill do my best to collect my any means legal.( Jeremy, better hide that boat!) He probably already has liens on it, though...
LOL, is that really you? Tim, you know that you scammed a lot people. Quit trying to make excuses and man up! Maybe then, you will start getting respect...
Whats your number? Im sure a lot of people here would like some answers...
If you did nothing wrong then why the hostility? Why not explain what you did if you think you didn't do anything wrong? I think that you are scared that you will go down with the rest of them. Rest assured Tim, that the Utah County Attorneys office knows pretty much everything. You are on their radar, so don't get too comfy. I wonder if they have your size for the prison jump suites. No worries, Ill donate one for you...
If I were you, I would call them up and give them as much info as possible. It might shave a few years off. I think it would be ironic to see Tim, Tanner and the rest, living in a tiny cell with each other...
Just explain yourself here... If you did nothing wrong, then you don't need to worry.. But you know, deep down, that you scammed a lot of people. I HEARD YOU! You have absolutely no morals nor ethics. IF you do managed to get thru this unscathed, I hope that you have learned from it.
So, are you denying that you told customers that their hosting has run out and that they need to re-new? and that you would give them 3 years for the price of 2, yet their hosting wasn't going to run out for a few months. I would look up accounts after I heard this to verify what I already knew. Also, the Utah Attorneys office has all of these records. Do you realize that every time that was done you committed fraud and each time they probably can put 3 or 4 different kinds of counts on you and others.
Im sure that you weren't the only one doing this. And a lot of the blame goes to management as they let you do this. But, come on and man up...
Thats ok, you don't have to explain anything to me or anyone here. You will, however, have to explain it to the authorities...
I do have to give up props for coming here with your real name. Most people here have a lot of damming info regarding HIT and ISO. Until everything is out and the court system has done its thing, I can see why most of us want to stay anonymous. For example, I have been working with the Utah Attorneys office and (as are others here) and would rather not say who I am. I will, however, let everyone know who I am as soon as this mess is close to being over with.
I dont have anything to hide but when one has a lot of info regarding illegal activity, they have to be cautious. Ya never know who might be hiding in the shadows...lol..
Nice question They.an.run... I was about to ask the same thing... He knew about iso and the closing yet still sold years of hosting.. Thats not only immoral, its ILLEGAL!
At least we now know that there isn't any question that those that were involved are reading this blog... remember when Sonny said to KSL that they are getting monies together so that they could pay employees and pay other debts? What freaking liars. They have absolutely no intentions of paying us or anyone else, for that matter.
So, Tim. How is it at ISO Web works? They still doin' business? Have you been paid? I was going to respond to Kevins Ksl listings on the equipment. He gave some pretty good deals on OUR stuff..
Just because your 6ft 6 and 400 lbs doesn't mean that your a "tough" guy by any means. Why not come to this board and act professional? why get all defensive if you have done nothing wrong? Trust me Timmy, I may not be as big as you, but trust me, you wouldn't want to meet me in an alley, like you are suggesting.
So, Tim, tells us what really happened? what did you tell all those customers? At first when I heard you doing this I wanted to make sure, so, like i said before, I looked up a few accounts and sure enough, you sold a few customers hosting that wasn't due for 6 months or so. This is after I heard you telling them that their hosting is up. Now, is that a lie, or not? Its ok, tim. I did some things at hit that I am not proud of but I tried my best to make amends. Maybe if you were to say to everyone that you were sorry and you have learned your lesson it would sway people to like you or respect you.
None of us are perfect. But, we all need to own up to our mistakes and learn from them and not do them again. If we don't do this, the cycle will never be broken.
Im sure you have a lot of valuable info for the prosecutors. It's ok to say that you made a mistake. But you will define who you really are by the actions you do from here on out. I suggest that you do what you can to help us and get those that kept this scam going to where they belong-JAIL...
I wish you well in you future endeavors and I hope that you have learned a valuable lesson.
Hey Tim. Why are you so obsessed with us calling you? Do you want a physical confrontation? Are you so confident that you will come out ahead? Boy, you are arrogant! What purpose would it serve for us to have a "showdown'? Its funny how one second we are all ###ers then the next you are saying you hope that the owners go to jail.
I believe that you are honestly scared what the prosecutors are going to find. I can sense it in you typing. I don't think anyone here wants to be where you are at in life. The only skill that you have is to con people out of money. What other skills do you have? Are you married? do you have children? are you financially secure? do you believe that you are living a truthful life? Well, I can honestly answer yes to all of those. I want to make sure that people like you are stopped. Im tired of all the lies that HIT and management told me/us.
So, instead of just telling us to "### off" why not say something worthwhile? If you really want to us in a "Dark alley" Im sure someone will be more than happy, especially an ex customer. Hell, If I wanted to stoop to your level, I would take you up on it. But, I consider myself "mature". You act like a bully in high school. I bet thats exactly what you were, with you size... You probably picked on the small kids in school, didn't you?
You need to get a life. Most of us here on this board are doing just fine. Im sure you wish that you could say the same for yourself...
When I called it went to a voicemail that didn't say iso webworks. I did leave a message.. It looks like they haven't paid their phone bill..Typical Aitken fashion.. Take what you can and leave the legit companies/employees holding the bag... Just them not paying their phone bill make me sick. They are so bad off, they cant pay a 100 dollar phone bill. And, of coarse, that phone company won't see a dime. It will just be another lien against them.. LOSERS!
I worked with Quinten Hout for quit a while. He was an AM then he moved to a PD position. He did well as an AM. I think he is in the middle of the road when it came to honesty. I was aware of a few times when there were a few fraud claims against him, but for the most part, he was honest. (I didn't ever sit next to him but his numbers were always high and when that happens, one seems to wonder)
There are so many companies that do web work/design, I don't know how any of them make it. Especially the startups. Maybe there is more demand than I realize.
Yea, lets all be done witn timmy. He is about 22 years old, so that is probably his correct profile...
Also, it looks like that company http://www.riaenjolie.com/home.html is an indian company that is based in NY. I know that there are a lot of good indians out there, (Just like you have good and bad mormons ) but whenever I have dealt with them they have been mostly dishonest and rude. Im not saying all are like this, but just sharing my personal experiences with them. So, its no wonder they have a D with the BBB. The ones that I know are greedy and will bid a 1k project for 100 bucks and never get the project done or keep coming back for more money.
I think that this blog has done a lot of good. Dont you? Im sure that we have helped people stop from doing work with iso or given employees good info to just spreading the word.. Good work, everyone...
Well, I received my letter from the Labor commission. It has my name on it Vs all variants of hit web design, along with leah young, mark strong, dave aitken and brad stone. (Why wasn't jeremy listed? wasn't he an owner?)
In a nutshell I won my claim against them. According to the letter, they never responded (It was also sent to sonny olsens office)
It demans that they remit payment to me asap! They have 10 days to appeal. What I never knew until now is that the 5 percent penalty doesn't stat til the end of the 10 days. I thought it started after the day that I should have been paid. Which Is good because now, I will be entitled to five percent per day up to 20 days. (which will double my claim)
So, you legal eagles out there. After waiting 10 days, what is my next step? You know that they aren't going to pay me..
Oh, and on top of the 5 percent per day up to 20 days they also added attorneys fees of a minimum of 500 bucks of 1/3 of the total claim and penalty, whichever is greater, and costs, will be assessed for enforcement of the order. So, does that mean they will have attorneys go after them?
Lol, I just looked at one of the addresses they sent it to. Hit web design C/O Iso Web works 50 n. center st. AF utah.
They were just a little too late for that one, lol. but they did send it to dave aitkens home Mark strong, s home, Leah youngs po box, actually a ton of po. boxes, they sent it to 17 different people/titles/addresses (some of the addresses were the same, so they got a copy multiple times.)
Thank you for your help Empower.. I will not going to away quietly. With the penalty, etc. I will be owed around 4k. so, I will wait til the 10 business days are over and then call them to see what is my next step.
Since they have added a 500 dollar (or more) fee for the county attorneys, that leads me believe that I wont need an attorney. IfI do, Im sure it wont be hard to get one because If I get the monies owed to me an attorney will make over 1k plus costs. So, since they have 10 days to appeal, there isn't much I can do til those 10 days are up. So, on day 11, Ill be calling them..
next question to you, empower, can Dave and the others file bankruptcy? Maybe thats what they are waiting for, to get all these claims put in and then all of them file. And if they do file, where would I be in line to collect money? wouldn't the IRS or AETNA be ahead of me? or do wage claims take priority?
Once we start garnishing their wages or taking property, I bet dollars to the Aitkens doughnuts that bankruptcy is not far away. I am hoping that employees claims are somehow exempt..
I wonder if HIT is in this secret file that they prosecutors have
Has anyone called the Utah County Attorneys office to see where the case is at? It would be a good sign if they can't answer it due to an ongoing investigation. If they give any other answer, I would be worried...
I'm hoping that there are a couple people on this board that are actively involved the investigation. I can only guess and hope. I think their ship is sinking and the rates are scrambling off the ship. I wonder if Kevin gave up on iso because of the heat. Im sure that he was delivered oodles and oodles of subpoenas.
I'm sure that it will all make sense when everything is out in the open. When I tell my wife everything that is going on, she keeps asking me "Why aren't they in jail yet, or She'll say "They are going to go to jail for soooo long" AINT THAT THE TRUTH!
I wonder what Candice is saying about her man, now? Also, has anyone verified that the Aitkens moved? I would love to know where they went. I hope that the didn't flee the country... IF they did that, I don't think that we would see justice done. A white collar criminal isn't on the Feds top priority..
Im a bit confused with ppcmanagement.com They make it look like that they have offices around the country. Am I looking at the right web site? When I look at who.is it looks like their domain has been registered since 2003 or something.
I guess our attention now should be focused at the ppcmanagement operation..
Looks like I was looking at the wrong site. I didn't put the llc after ppcmanagement. Im sure that they will rear their ugly heads soon, if they haven't already. Maybe they are liquidating all assets so when the government come knocking there wont be anything to take... ###... I wish that Dave and the rest would come on here and give a professional statement on to the happenings at hit. I know it won't happen, but it would be nice..
I have a feeling on whatever their new venture is, that they will do it on the down low. Meaning, they will keep it low key and keep their names out of it. At least, thats what I would do If I were them. (which, like hell, Im glad I'm not!)
But, it's hard to estimate what scammers will do. They think that they are invincible and will never be caught and will flaunt it under our noses...
Oh man, that would be icing on the cake if we found out that HIT received stimulus money! I surely hope that didn't happen. That would be like another slap on my already reddened face...
@staving: When did you get the letter stating that they would pay you 80 percent? I got my letter a few days ago, in my favor. HIT never responded to my claim so I got mine in favor by default, I guess. Did you get an original letter stating that hit would give you 80 percent? Im just wondering if they are going to try and make changes to mine...
I think its almost time for some of our anonymity to come off. I know that there may be some people that are heavy into the case that just can't come out of the closet. But, for some, (like me) It really shouldn't do me any damage by saying who I am. I have already told some people via private messaging my name.
Dunno, I think that it may not really matter if we say who we are or not..I know a lot of people (like myself) Like the warm blanket of anonymity, but does it really matter?
I had a really big interview today and unfortunately, HIT is on my resume. I asked my interviewer if he knew about hit and he said no. but wanted to ask about them. I gave him a brief history basically saying that they were doing well until the last couple years and have been accused of doing illegal things. I tried to stay neutral. The reason I brought it up is that Im sure that he will look them up on the internet before making a decision or I wouldn't have mentioned a word. I kept it simple and to the point, saying that they closed their doors and the owners are under investigation. (and that I left before they started doing any of the alleged stuff)
As long as you weren't a manager/VP/ owner/accountant, I think that most employers would assume that you didn't participate in the fraud. I received a lot of valuable job experience from hit. So, If I want to stay in the sales field, I almost have to mention them. (Unless I want a huge gap in my resume).
My interview went well. Im now doing monday back quarterbacking on how I did and it's driving me crazy, I should have said this, or I shouldn't have said this...If this job comes thru, It will truly be a blessing. A true career with a real company. Great salary, benefits, etc. Now, im not going to sleep for the next week and if I don't get it, Ill be back here crying like a baby for weeks, lol...
I know its a little off topic, but I thought to share a little light at the end of the tunnel (IF I get the job)
You make some very valid points, Empower. I think this forum is not the best place to reveal ones real identity.if someone wants to do it another forum is probably more appropriate. It just make a lot more sense...
I will, however, reveal who I am. I may not say who I was on this board but will say that I did participate. I never thought about saying potentially liable statements here. (even tho they are true and the aitkens and it will be a cold day in hell if they ever were to bring a suit against one of us.
I think they tried to sue some people (ex-employees) that posted on this board and they (ex-emloyeess) were vindicated. They tried to use the clause in the employment packet that we signed. saying that we can be charged 500 bucks, or something, for each derogatory things said about them.
UGHHH! I hate spammers!
Anyway, as most of you know, I am job hunting. Im in a position where I can't live on a 9 dollar an hr job (like who can?, lol) I have a mortgage and have to feed a family. So, sales is my greatest strength. I have had a few promising interviews but nothing so far.
It was interesting that I found that a couple of companies are hiring, one called storesonline and PMI, they are sister companies. I don't know if they are owned by the same people, but they def. have a connection. I was called last night to schedule an interview. I told the guy that I have heard of the company and kind actually knew a few people that made a good living at both places. But, I wanted to check them out first.
So, I have discovered that they are pretty much like HIT. They both have tons of complaints against them on here and other online complaint forums. The BBB has over 700 complaints against storesonline but PMI has an A rating. (like that really means anything.
The guys that I know that work there (I really don't know them well) make a lot of money. It costs like 15k to sign someone up with PMI.. So the commissions are huge.
But, after my experience with HIT, I have decided to take the high ground this time and not take a very lucrative sales job of conning people out of their hard earned money. Before hit, I would have rationalized it somehow and taken the job.
I've decided that I don't want to be in a situation that Im in now. Even though what they (pmi and storesonline) are probably technically legal, but who knows.
I just can't do it. Wont do it...
Yep, thats them. They also sale their system to storesonline customers. I found a news story that was done about a year ago about storesonline and it was nominated for an Emmy. They nailed them good... I know most of the problems are buyers remorse. they find out that there is a lot more work involved and the salesman oversales it.
They not only get you to put everything you can on credit cards but they have in house financing. Stores online was successfully sued by a few states and the country of Australia. They can't do business downunder for a few years and have a ton of disclosures and pay everyone back...
Both companies smell just like HIT...While the money is tempting, I just can't bring myself to do it...
Jeff, when you say that the Executives only had certain information, what do you think Tanner was? HE was a VP! thats an executive in my book. I agree that he and Matt may have been kept in the dark on some things, I bet dollars to doughnuts that they pretty much knew the whole thing. I don't believe for a second that they went 3-4 months without being paid. I can see the last month or 2 or maybe a portion of their check.
I knew that ship was sinking and I was just an account manager. Im sure that they were promised the moon. But I heard Tanner tell lie after lie. He is ###. He treats people like ###. I hope that he goes down with the ship.
Jeff, I don't think I know you. If I do, not that well.. I really wish you would HONESTLY tell the truth about what Tanner and the others knew. Tanner was there for years. I remember when they put him on the accounting system. He was so proud that he passed all the background checks to that he could be apart of accounting. The Aitkens and the other owners couldn't do what they did without the hep of Tanner and Matt. They are not innocent...
Wow! Just wow! Jeff, you claim that you were a victim and yet you tried to keep the scam going over at iso? How stupid do you think we are? I honestly think that people like you and Tim are coming to this board because you feel guilty and are trying to generate sympathy.
Then you come on this board to tell us that some of us are haters, etc. WE HAVE A ###ING RIGHT TO BE! You were part of a major SCAM! GET IT? A SCAM! If I were you, I'd be worried about going to jail.
Ya know, when I first started at hit (when there were very few complaints and they were giving away Harley davidsons, In fact, I won a very expensive computer) I thought the company was great. I was making a ton of money, more than I have ever made in my life. Most customers were happy. I noticed things started to go down hill when they made a customer service dept. I also feel that in the beginning, they didn't set out to scam people. I think it snowballed. One little indescretion lead to another, etc. Til they dug themselves a hole that the only way to get out of was to scam.
I may be totally off. I was just a closer/ AM. Maybe they did start with the intentions of scamming, what I do know for sure is at the end, the last 3 or so years, they were scamming 100 percent. Each year, I think got worse.
Im sure that people like Tanner were promised the moon to help perpetuate the scam. I don't know Jeff, so it would be wrong to really speculate about him.
The bottom line is that money was stolen. People were lied to (employees/customers) they lied to vendors and employees. Many State and Federal laws were broken.Im sure that money is hidden somewhere. Empower and the rest, you have said it perfectly. I can't wait til there is a reckoning...
I think the board is having issues... The reason I haven't been posting is because I became a Grandpa Friday.. I can't believe im old enough to be one.. He is soooo cute...
Normally, I would say that there is no way that they are trying to do something fishy still. But, with their past behavior, all bets are off. If I were part of their scam, I would be distancing myself so far from anything that starts with an H or I or D (for Dave).
If Tanner is working for another company, I would love to know who is putting up with his crap... My bet is that he doesn't last there for 2 months. I can't believe that he was never fired from HIt. Iv'e worked for jerks in the past, but he takes the cake.
WTF? 2 or 3 of my posts are nowhere to be seen. They were on page 95, now we are on page 94, so looks like we lost a few posts...
The boards are really screwed up..
still having issues?
looks like its working again...
lloks like everything is working fine now...
IT was weird. The day that we started to have problems with this board, I received an email asking me to verify my information. I wonder if someone is trying to get this board shut down...
Is it working yet?
So far so good on the posts appearing.. I sent a long email to the complaintsboard last night. Maybe it got their attention.. Who knows how long it will last..
Im just grateful to be getting my unemployment. I am sooooo damned grateful that I applied for unemployement when I did. I had no idea that once you file and it is granted, that you can get the money as long as your not employed. They have a start and a stop time. If Hit hadn't done this to me, I would have never found this out. I just assumed that since I was approved for unemployment and then found a job (HIT, no less) that my unemployment claim would go bye-bye.. Gosh, I love it when the beauracracy (Sp) goes your way... Im jut trying to find the positive side to all of this...
Are we getting closer to some indictments? I surely hope so!
any new news?
Lets hope so...
crap, urscewed, you got me all excited thinking that article was about HIT...
If the authorities let this go, I will be sooooo pissed!
I got my letter from the Labor commission today. Its laughable. Mark Strong and Leah young are trying to be removed from personal liabilty for the wage claims. Here is a snippet "The basis for our request is the extrnuating circumstances discussed with you and mr asay. We appeal to the labor commission to provide a hearing in which all wage claims can be addressed simultaneously.
We are also disputing that we have received proper notice of the wage claims. We have not had access to mail sent to the company po box until just recently have not received copies of many of the wage claims. We also have been denied access to the company financial and accounting information by the CFO of the company and do not have any information necessary to respond to the validity of the wage claims"
Can you believe this? I called Jose Blanco and said that they needed a letter stating what their position was at hit web dessign. You could tell, by the tone of his voice that he thinks that this is rediculous.
So, all of you that have received this letter, write one back saying that Mark strong and LEah young were owners and were the ones who signed the checks (when we go them) What other roles did they play.. i want to get this letter right..
Wow, it would make total sense if it were the aitkens. There are enough pissed off people that at least 1 would get revenge. That guy had some balls.
BTW, I faxed my rebuttal letter to the labor commission. It was 2 pages long. I just didn't have any physical evidence rather than my word. when I talked to jorge, I think? he repeated the utah law statute where Leah Young and the others are in fact liable. If they have assets we will get our money, it may take time, but ive got it...