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if one of the member wants to sell a bag on ebay and they want to get rid of competition they put that seller in the "Fake" hall of shame forum and they flag the person on ebay so they take them down getting rid of competeion. They claim they can tell what is fake and what is not but they are clearly idiots and know nothing about fashion or how to tell the authenticity of something.

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  • Am
    Amber827 Aug 05, 2019
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    I’m a member of The Purse Forum, but have barely used it. The one thing I don’t understand is why they require a listing number for items that you want to be authenticated. I use Poshmark regularly (mostly to sell things I no longer need) but their platform doesn’t use listing numbers. How would somebody be able to authenticate a Chanel bag on The Purse Forum if it was purchased on Poshmark? It’s just best to purchase straight from the boutique or from Rebag.

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  • lolyoulol222 May 29, 2013

    TPF is full of frauds, housewives, trailer trash, unemployed, single women/moms/teenagers with no life outside of TPF. They only PRETEND they are working, when in reality, they're actually at home in their comfy kitchen chair, TPF-ing away. They don't have a husband, dog, boyfriend, lesbian girlfriend, lesbian wife, partner... whichever you like to call it. They're all single, divorced... with no life whatsoever. And don't try to be friends with the members, they only PRETEND to be your friend. But when you do something wrong, they stab you in the back and behave like little 7 year old children: Crying, whining, bishing, etc. TPF is full of little immature children with nothing better to do.

    And those purses? It's either from their mother's closet, or they stole the pictures off the interwebs, or they went to their friend's house and PRETENDED that this purse collection is theirs. That, or they bought it in the store, took a picture of it, and returned it the next day. Ever wanted to know why those COACH members always get the BAN letter? Now you know why. Frequent returns, and reselling. Isn't that obvious?

    TPF = Totally Pathetic Frauds. Enough said. :)

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    fraud4sure Feb 27, 2013
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    SILLY ###, PURSE FORUMS ARE FOR CHICKS!

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  • lolyoulol222 Feb 26, 2013

    GO BACK INTO THE KITCHEN ALL OF YOU!


    MAKE ME A SANDWICH!

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  • Fr
    fraud4sure Feb 05, 2012
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    Often imitated, never duplicated. Love it when others go down the tubes trying to steal someone else's ideas, while lying through their teeth, and conning everyone else to pay for them! Yes, seeing them go bye, bye, is an an awesome experience.. Asta la vista, LOSERS!

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  • Pu
    purseforumsucks Jun 03, 2011

    http://thepurseforumsucksalot.blogspot.com/2011/06/purse-forum-todays-words-repeat-after.html

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  • ALGIE- JIVE Apr 13, 2011

    " Daria48_is_ Hyacinth_is_beeme2" And "Daria48_is_ Hyacinth" "Vapor111"

    Made some posts on this thread about my Shop. " Killing Machine Choppers. " If anyone has any information or links, emails, anything posted by this person / persons about my Chopper Shop. PLEASE contact me. Anything about their motorcycle or repairs done by my shop. Or Veterans Benefits Events hosted by my shop.
    Thanks, Algie

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    the;purseforumrants Mar 26, 2011

    http://thepurseforumrants.tumblr.com/post/4101043607/have-you-been-banned#disqus_thread

    We want your feedback!

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    the;purseforumrants Mar 26, 2011

    http://thepurseforumrants.tumblr.com/

    Come and join the fun!

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  • ALGIE- JIVE Mar 11, 2011

    Let me just say, Court today was an (AWESOME * EXPERIENCE*)

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  • Ju
    justnoticing Feb 09, 2011

    When a company starts getting bad publicity the company will make every effort to bury it in the search engines so I did a deep search.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=the+purse+forum&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5Oa&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=+site:complaintsboard.com+the+purse+forum&sa=X&ei=095STbbVAYG8lQeK4YDgCg&ved=0CIUBEK0CMAk&fp=7b42aab5b155468d

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  • ALGIE- JIVE Jan 29, 2011

    " Daria48_is_ Hyacinth_is_beeme2" And "Daria48_is_ Hyacinth"
    Made some posts about my Shop. " Killing Machine Choppers. " If anyone has any information or links, emails, anything posted by this person about my Chopper Shop. PLEASE contact me. Anything about their motorcycle or repairs done by my shop.
    Thanks, Algie

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  • Da
    Daria48_is_ Hyacinth Nov 09, 2010
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    VAPOR 111 is 9624 judge,

    Yeah, so what is your point ? You [censored]es from the ebay purse board just can't comprehend anyone who ever sticks up for a seller on ebay. That's because you are all so busy discrediting all of them but YOURSELVES, so you can eliminate the competition.

    Well, get over it! You have no point. judge was correct to agree with this seller. It's not the seller's fault that the buyer moved. DUH...

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  • Va
    vapor111 is 9724judge Nov 07, 2010

    vapor111, u have spent lots of time criticising others for being mean to sellers because said sellers "mistakenly" listed fakes. Is this the kind of "nice" post that you make?
    http://forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Packaging-Shipping/Item-Shipped-To/510171248&start=0

    from December 2009- buyer had incorrect address in paypal. This particular poster ATTACKED the buyer mercilessly:

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    Re: Item shipped to wrong address!
    Dec 22, 2009 6:29 PM

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    Guess you should have changed your address then, huh?

    Sorry, but Ive had that issue. Buyer cant remember to change their address, then blames it all on me. I have no sympathy what-so-ever for a buyer that cannot update their address. Its not hard to do.

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    Dec 22, 2009 6:33 PM

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    Oh, and I believe you can file something with the PO for that theft.

    I remember my first " Jessie Check " here in MN ( governor gave out a rebate of sorts for 2 years in a row ) The state had it in their records that they shipped to my new address, yet, when it came down to who got my check, and signed it, it had gone to a very old address.

    I had to file with the PO some type of theft form ( because it was addressed to me, that person could not open my mail, however he did. Its a federal offense ) However, with your case, how would you be able to prove it?
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    Dec 22, 2009 6:35 PM

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    babylove80jr wrote:
    While this is the buyers error, it seems that OP is not trying to blame the seller for the situation, rather go after the people he believes has his item.

    You may want to contact the policy and run the story by them, see what they think.


    Either way, will this seller get the pos they so richly deserve, even though buyer cant remember to change their address? Probably not, Im betting neut at best.

    The only problem being, how will this person prove that those people really truly received said item? I guess he could sit outside their home, and wait for the PO person to show up to deliver mail, and give them the third degree about a certain package, but what are the odds of that happening and being able to prove?

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    Dec 25, 2009 6:06 PM

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    numbr26 wrote:
    Wow, I didnt think I would get lynched in the replies. I blame no one, except the people who kept the merchandise. The seller has been awesome, and actually has refunded me half of the money and gave me some bottles of wine for the other half, since he did send it to an uncofirmed address, and NOT the one that I specifically noted when I paid through PayPal.

    Thanks BabyLove, for the suggestion. I guess it would not hurt to go to the police and see what they suggest.

    For the record, I informed the seller that if I do get the camera (i know, slim chance), I would return the money and merchandise to him. There are still some honest people in the world.

    The replies in this thread appear to come from sour folks who are looking to take out their frustrations on buyers, instead of addressing the issue at hand. Its Christmas people.


    We are sour because, buyers like you, who are too lazy to log into PP and change your address, get their purchases mailed to the wrong address, then it comes back on the seller.

    As for you, you made off, too lazy to change your address officially, yet, the seller gave you a full refund so to speak between money and product.

    Just sick. Buyers like you make me sick. You should have refused both the money and the product since it was fully your fault.

    Have you gotten your lazy butt over to PP and fixed the address issue yet?
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    Dec 25, 2009 6:08 PM

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    9724judge wrote:
    numbr26 wrote:
    Wow, I didnt think I would get lynched in the replies. I blame no one, except the people who kept the merchandise. The seller has been awesome, and actually has refunded me half of the money and gave me some bottles of wine for the other half, since he did send it to an uncofirmed address, and NOT the one that I specifically noted when I paid through PayPal.

    Thanks BabyLove, for the suggestion. I guess it would not hurt to go to the police and see what they suggest.

    For the record, I informed the seller that if I do get the camera (i know, slim chance), I would return the money and merchandise to him. There are still some honest people in the world.

    The replies in this thread appear to come from sour folks who are looking to take out their frustrations on buyers, instead of addressing the issue at hand. Its Christmas people.


    We are sour because, buyers like you, who are too lazy to log into PP and change your address, get their purchases mailed to the wrong address, then it comes back on the seller.

    As for you, you made off, too lazy to change your address officially, yet, the seller gave you a full refund so to speak between money and product.

    Just sick. Buyers like you make me sick. You should have refused both the money and the product since it was fully your fault.

    Have you gotten your lazy butt over to PP and fixed the address issue yet?


    For that matter, how long ago did you move? If recently, too lazy to fill out the change of address form at the PO? If its been over a year, you way too lazy if you havent made it to PP to change the address.

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    I really loved the " sellers honest mistake " give me a break.

    When a seller hits print label from Ebay, it takes you to PP, where that info is already filled in. Had you fixed the address issue before you paid, the address would have been changed. However, you being the laziest person that you are, you couldnt take the minute it takes to change your address.

    SAD just sad, and now seller is out the camera, the money and other product.

    Gosh, what a great buyer. Just the type that Ebay needs on Ebay...

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    numbr26 wrote:
    9724judge wrote:
    I really loved the " sellers honest mistake " give me a break.

    When a seller hits print label from Ebay, it takes you to PP, where that info is already filled in. Had you fixed the address issue before you paid, the address would have been changed. However, you being the laziest person that you are, you couldnt take the minute it takes to change your address.

    SAD just sad, and now seller is out the camera, the money and other product.

    Gosh, what a great buyer. Just the type that Ebay needs on Ebay...


    I am a great buyer, just look at my feedback, all purchases.

    By the way, to the person that asked if i had 'gotten my lazy butt over to change my address', you obviously didnt really take the time to read my original post as the answer is there. You 'at home merchants' just read what you want to read and some how get off on being tough on the web.

    *****Incidentally, the address is probably 5 years old. I never removed it but its not my default address so Im still not sure how the seller got it as I have made literally over a hundred purchases without a problem. The paypal screen defaults to your confirmed address but i can change that to a different one (my office address as an example) if I so choose. That wasnt the case here so its still a mystery as to how that address was selected as the mailing address.


    If the address is 5 years old, why havent you deleted it off your account? Too lazy? Or were you planning on moving back there?

    When you go to pay for your item, you should always verify the address. PP has glitches. That is not in any way your sellers fault.

    And why on earth would you send a message to seller correcting the address, if in fact, the correct address was showing? Oh wait, you forgot to check to verify the invoice / payment notice was showing the correct address?

    Buyers like you cost us money when you cant verify addresses. Then you have the gahoonas to take money and product back from the seller for your screw up? Stating it was an honest mistake on the sellers side? You make me sick. Like I said, you should have refused both because of YOUR error.

    And Yeah, you have 100% feedback as a buyer. Jee, like every buyer has 100% feedback. Doesnt impress me one single bit.

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    did anyone count how many times 9724judge told that buyer how sick she was of buyers like that? is no one allowed to make a mistake?

    again, here is the full thread:

    http://forums.ebay.com/db1/topic/Packaging-Shipping/Item-Shipped-To/510171248

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  • Mi
    mike mcsorley Nov 06, 2010

    Purseforum is a joke, no real expert in this field (or in most over fields for that matter) would claim that they can tell a genuine from a good fake by a picture alone.This is more the work of a phychic.Whats unfortunate is that whilst they randomly guess whats fake they also tell people whats real through a photo alone!!!and people are taking this as a sort of Authenticity and buying.Purseforum should not be able to slander sellers like this, as it is fact that you reallycannot tell a good replica from genuine by photo alone.I find it incredible that they have operated for so long on this one major floor alone???
    Mike.

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  • 4d
    4 dogs 1 cat Oct 08, 2010
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    I want to know if buying a hermes birkin 35 from hauteexclusive.com is a sham. They only want bank to bank transfer. They say they have been in business 10 years and own their own website. They will advertise a new birkin on ebay for $7, 300.00 but if you email them with a lower price and do a bank transfer without going thru ebay or paypal, they will be very happy. I will not bank to bank transfer. Do anyone out there know this company; are the reputable? Thank you.

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    Mister Man Oct 03, 2010
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    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. AmenAma namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    0 mins ago by Mister Man 0 Votes
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. AmenAma namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.

    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.


    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.
    Sapagkat Iyo ang kaharian, at kapangyarihan,
    At ang kadakilaan, magpakailanman. Amen.
    Ama namin, sumasalangit Ka
    Sambahin ang ngalan Mo
    Mapasaamin ang kaharian Mo
    Sundin ang loob Mo
    Dito sa lupa, para nang sa langit.

    Bigyan Mo kami ngayon ng aming kakanin sa araw araw.
    At patawarin Mo kami sa aming mga sala,
    Para nang pagpapatawad namin
    Sa mga nagkakasala sa amin.
    At huwag Mo kaming ipahintulot sa tukso,
    At iadya Mo kami sa lahat ng masama.

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    Melly_M Sep 24, 2010
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    Absolutely agree how much of a scam TPF are, and those no lifers being label themselves as authenticators?! Oh please!!!

    I did signed on and questions about their ability and skills on authenticating, and guess what? I got a lots of angry replies and before I know it, my post got deleted!

    Yes, they are very very shady so be careful about trusting them to authenticate the bags.

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    ibuymyownnewbags Sep 17, 2010

    stupid

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    Mister Man Aug 08, 2010
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    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na kuwepo ndani ya chama tawala kwa wananchi ambao ni mbumbumbu wa demokrasia kwa vile bado wanaamini mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Aidha imefafanuliwa kwamba umbumbumbu huo umewagubika hata baadhi ya watendaji katika chama hicho ambao pia hukutana na wananchi kama watendaji serikalini.

    Hayo yameelezwa na wananchi waliozungumza na gazeti hili kufuatia kauli ya Rais Benjamin Mkapa aliyedai kwamba wapo mbumbumbu wa demokrasia.

    Wakiyafafanua maelezo yao hayo, wananchi hao wamesema, kwa mfano, Mwenyekiti wa chama tawala anapotumia kofia yake ya Urais kushinikiza nguvu za dola kuzuia mikutano ya vyama vingine (pinzani) vya siasa husaidia kuwapotosha zaidi wale mbumbumbu wa demokrasia wanaodhani kuwa bado tupo kwenye mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Wamesema pia kwamba kuwepo kwa "demokrasia mbumbumbu" kumechangiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa na wale wanaodhani kuwa kununua kura, kuwahonga wapiga kura, kuiba kura, kutumia vitisho na hata nguvu za dola kupora kura na kukandamiza upinzani ni sehemu ya demokrasia.

    Pia wameeleza kwamba wapo miongoni mwa mambumbumbu hao wa demokrasia walijiumbua wakati wa kampeni pale walipopanda kwenye majukwaa "wasijue cha kuzungumza ila kuanza kutumia maneno machafu dhidi ya wake za baadhi ya wagombea ambao hotuba zao zilijaa hoja nzito ambazo mambumbu walishindwa kuzijibu."

    "Mambumbumbu wengi pia wamo ndani ya chama tawala. Hawa demokrasia yao ni 'demokrasia mbumbumbu' pia. Kwao mwananchi akijiunga na chama cha upinzani hustahili hata kunyimwa haki zake za msingi za kibinadamu na zile za kiraia. Baadhi ( ya mambumbumbu hao) hudhani kuwa ni halali hata kutumia nguvu za dola kumbughudhi na hata kumtesa mtu na familia yake kwa kumnyima ajira na njia yoyote ya kujitafutia riziki kuwa japo kwa biashara ya genge la nyanya. Ndio maana imekuwa kawaida ya wengi kuwaalika baadhi ya viongozi wa chama tawala kuwasimikia 'vijiwe' na bendera za mashina ili wapate uhalali wa kufungua magenge ya kujipatia riziki", alieleza Mwalimu Shaaban Hadidu.

    Mwalimu Hadidu aliongeza kwamba baadhi ya mambumbumbu hao huwa hawaoni haya wala vibaya kuwaambia wananchi tundika bendera usalimike.

    Wakizidi kuchambua kina cha umbumbumbu uliopo wananchi hao wamedai wapo pia mambumbumbu waliona sawa tu kutukana dini za baadhi ya wananchi kuwa ni wenye kuhongwa tena ndani ya majumba yao ya Ibada, na wengine wakadiriki hata kuwakodi watu waliojiita "masheikh" ili wapande majukwaa kukashifa dini za watu wanaoonekana kutokipenda chama cha mambumbumbu hao.

    Wananchi hai pia walielezea kuwepo kwa umbumbumbu demokrasia upande wa upinzani pia. Wamesema mambumbumbu katika upande huo hudhani demokrasia maana yake kujipendekeza chama tawala ili "wasalimike, " na Msajili wa Vyama asije akataka kuhakiki vyama vyao kama bado vina wanachama, vinafanya mkutano wake kwa mujibu wa katiba na vinafanya uchaguzi wa kidemokrasia wa viongozi wake tangu viundwe miaka 8 iliyopita. "Miongoni mwao hawa wapo pia viongozi wa vyama ambao hawaishi kujipendekeza kwao huko, hufikia hata baadhi yao kutumiwa kama mapandikizi dhidi ya kambi ya upinzani, wanahribu vyama vyetu na sasa wanatufanya wote tuonekane hatuna maana" alilalamika Bw. Furaha Msonga.

    Aidha, wananchi hao wamesema lipo pia swala la umoja wa kitaifa ambapo wametahadharisha .vyama vingi visiwe sababu ya kuvunja utaifa.

    Hata hivyo wameongeza kutoa tahadhari kwamba watanzania waasitegemee kujenga utaifa huo huku baadhi ya viongozi kwenye chama tawala hawaishi kuwakashifu na kuwakejeli baadhi ya viongozi na wananchama wa vyama vya upinzani.

    Wakitolea mfano wa jinsi viongozi wa chama tawla wanavyoweza kufanya kazi na wale wa upinzani kwa msalahi ya taifa, wananchi hao wamemtaja Mzee Nelson Mandela wa Afrika ya Kusini ambapo wamesema watu wa chama tawala wangejifunza toka Afrika Kusini au hata Marekani.

    "Mandela alikuwa akifanyakazi na viongozi wa upinzani, na (George) Bush (wa Marekani) pia kaonesha hilo", alieleza mwanchi mmoja aliyejitambulisha kwa jina moja tu la Mgana.­.

    Waislamu watakiwa kuwa watekelezaji wa maamuzi

    * Watakiwa kwatambua wale wanaokwamisha utekelezaji ambao ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe


    Na Mwandishi Wetu

    WAISLAMU nchini wametakiwa kuyatekeleza yale yaliyoamuliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na yakafundishwa kwao na Mtume wake (S.A.W.) kama moja ya ahadi juu yao.

    Aidha wametakiwa vilevile kutekeleza na yale ambayo wao huyaamua kwa misingi ya dini yao na kisha wakaaomba dua kwa Mweneyzi Mungu (S.W.) awawafikishie.

    Akitoa wito huo, Mhadhiri wa kiislamu jijini Dar es Salaam, Ustaadh Kondo Bungo amewaambia Waislamu kwamba maamrisho ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.), mafundisho ya Mtume (S.A.W) na maamuzi wanayoyachukua Waislamu hao na kisha wakayaombea dua kwa Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W) awawafikishie yote hayo ni miongoni mwa ahadi mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) ambazo wanayo dhima ya kuzitekeleza.

    Ustaadhi Bungo alikuwa akiongea na Waislamu katika Msikiti wa Taqwa, uliopo Mwananyamala, Dar es Salaam, baada ya Swala ya I'sha, Jumapili, Januari 7 mwaka huu.

    Akiufafanua msimamo wake huo juu ya suala hilo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema licha ya Waislamu wengi kuwa wanalijua jambo hilo bado kuna tatizo la utekelezaji wa ahadi hizo wanazozichukua na kisha aliwauliza Waislamu: "...nini kiini cha tatizo hili?".

    Akifafanua kuhusu kiini cha tatizo hilo la kutotekelezwa ahadi hizo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema kwamba ahadi nyingi zinakwamishwa na watu wa aina tatu miongoni mwa umma wa Waislamu ambao aliwataja kuwa ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe.

    Akiwazungumzia vibaraka alisema: "mtu kibaraka ni (yule) ambaye mko naye msikitini na anapiga takbira kwa wingi lakini kesho utamkuta anajipendekeza kwa kiongozi anayewatukana Waislamu... na yeye ndio wa kwanza kupanga mstari kutoa mkono kwa kiongozi huyo (kama dalili ya salamu ya heshima)"

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliendeleza uchambuzi wake ambapo alisema ikitokea Muislamu huyo kibaraka kuwa ni Imam au kiongozi wa Taasasi ya Kiislamu, basi yeye ndio huwa wa kwanza anapokuwa na hafla kuwaalika viongozi wenye kauli chafu dhidi ya Waislamu kuwa wageni rasmi.

    Alilitaja kundi la pili kuwa ni Waislamu waoga ambao alisema hao nao ni tatizo. Alisema Waislamu walio katika kundi hilo, kutokana na woga wao, husahau kumhofu Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na badala yake wakawahofu wanandamu wenzo kutokana na madaraka walionayo na vitisho vyao.

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliwatamnabaisha Waislamu kwamba ikitokea mtu huyo mwoga kuwa Imam, sheikh au amir, basi anapotoa hotuba zake huwa anayumbayumba katika mada.

    "Siku zote huwa hawasemi kweli watu hawa na wala hawafundishi yanayostahiki kuwa haki... kwa mfano badala ya kufundisha kuindoa dhuluma wao hufundisha kuikwepa", alieleza Ustaadh Bungo.

    Akifafanua hoja yake hiyo alisema ikitokea 'grosari' imejengwa mbele ya msikiti, basi imamu au sheikh huyo mwoga hubadili njia badala ya kuwataka waumini "wakaiondoe grosari hiyo", na kisha akauliza: "je katika njia hiyo nyingine pakijengwa baa imam huyo na waumini watapita wapi?"

    Akilitaja kundi la tatu Ustaadh Bungo alisema watu wake ni wazembe na akadai kwamba hao ni hatari zaidi.

    Alisema wakati wale waoga hutoa visingizio vya "eti wanatumia hekima", waumini wazembe hudai "eti wanasubiri amiri wao aseme!"

    Ustaadh Bungo ameeleza kuwa katika Uislamu, suala la kupambana na maovu kwa misingi ya dini hiyo ni amri, na kwamba amri yoyote ni ibada.

    Akitolea mfano alisema: "Kuswali ni ibada na pindi wakti (wakati) unapotimu waumini huinuka wakaswali pasi na kumsubiri amir", na kisha akahoji, "sasa iweje suala la kuondoa maovu wasubiri kauli ya amir?"

    Amesema, muda wa swala ukifika, waumini, wakiwemo wazembe hao, huinuka kwenda kuswali na wala hawasikiki wakitoa visingizio vyao vya kumsubiri amir, na aashangaa iweje katikia ibada zingine waumini wadai kumsubiri amir.

    Ustaadh Bungo aliwataka waumini kuwatambua watu hao watatu wanaokwamisha utekelezaji wa ahadi wanazozichukua Waislamu ili wapate kuwaelimisha na pale inaposhindikana kuelimishwa basi wawaepuke kwa vile alisema watu hao ni kikwazo katika maendeleo ya jamii ya Waislamu.

    Aizungumzia umuhimu wa kuwaelimisha, ustaadh huyo aliwakumbusha waumini msiktini hapo kisa cha Nabii Musa (A.S) aliyekimbilia Madiyan baada ya kukabiliwa na tuhuma ya kupiga mtu hadi kufa katika utawala wa Firauni.

    Lakini wakati Musa akiwa Madiyan, Ustaadh Bungo alisema Mwenyezi Mungu alimwambia Musa (A.S) aende kwa Furauni "akamlinganie" aache kiburi chake cha kujidai yeye Mungu, kufanya dhuluma, mauaji ya raia na ukandamizaji uliokithiri.

    Alisema, Musa (A.S), ambaye awali aliukimbia utawala wa Firauni kwa hofu ya tuhuma zilizokuwa zikimkabili, alilazimika kuishinda nafsi yake iliyokuwa ikimuhofu Firauni ambaye alikuwa ni kiumbe na mwanadamu kama yeye Musa (A.S).

    "Musa (A.S) akaacha mara moja kumhofu Firauni na badala yake akazidisha kumhofu Allah (S.W) (hivyo) akaamua kwenda kumkabili Firauni licha ya maguvu yake ya dola na wapambe wake wachawi na washirikina", alifafanua Ustaadh Bungo.

    Alisema Musa (A.S) aifanikiwa kumshinda Firauni na kuwakomboa wananchi waliokuwa wakiteseka chini ya utawala huo wa kidhalimu wa Firauni.

    Aidha, kuhusu kundi la waislamu wazembe, Ustaadh Bungo aliwakumbusha Waislamu mazingira ya enzi ya Mtume (S.A.W) ambapo alisema katika vita zote zilizopiganwa wakati huo na ambazo zilijulikana kama "Ghazua", waumini baada ya kujua kuwa walikuwa wakipigana kwa amri ya Mola wao na haki ya dini yao, hawakuwa wakizembea kwa kujenga visingizio vya kusubiri amri ya Mtume (S.A.W), bali kila walipoona dhuluma, vita au shari ikielekezwa kwao walipamabna nayo.

    "Ama kwa wale vibaraka", alisema Ustaadh Bungo, "hawa ni wa kupigwa vita sambamba na madhalimu wanaowaweka mbele na kuwapa majukwaa ya kuwatusi Waislamu".
    'Hajj Trust' yaongeza huduma kwa mahujaji

    * Usafiri wa Jeddah-Madina sasa kwa ndege


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    Mahujaji wa Tanzania watakaokwenda Hija kuanzia mwaka huu watapatiwa usafiri wa ndege kutoka Jeddah kwenda Madina ili kukwepa uchovu wa safari ndefu ya masaa nane kati ya miji hiyo miwili ambao wangeupata endapo wangetumia usafiri wa basi.

    Hayo yalisemwa na Katibu Mkuu wa Taasisi ya Kiislamu inayoshughulikia masuala ya Hija hapa nchini, Tanzania Muslim Hajj Trust, Abdallah M.Jabir, alipokuwa akizungumza na NASAHA kuhusu maandalizi ya Hija ya mwaka huu.

    Jabiri amesema kuwa nyongeza hiyo ya huduma ya usafiri wa ndege kwa kutumia ndege ya Shirika la Ndege la Saudi Arabia, Saudi Airlines, haitaathiri huduma nyingine zitolewazo na taasisi yake wala ongezeko la gharama kutoka kwa Mahujaji. Gharama za Hija kwa mwaka huu kama ilivyotangazwa na taasisi yake ni dola za Kimarekani 1600, ikiwa ni ongezeko la dola 100 zaidi kutokana na kupanda kwa gharama za huduma za ndani za serikali nchini Saudi Arabia.

    Alizitaja huduma nyingine kwa uchache wazitoazo kwa Mahujaji kuwa ni pamoja na chakula kwa siku zote wawapo katika miji ya Maka, Madina na Mina na huduma ya matabibu wa kiume na wa [censored] wakati wa Hija. Huduma nyingine ni za waongozaji Mahujaji katika miji hiyo mitatu na ziara za maeneo matakatifu ya kihistoria zilizopo Madina.

    Aidha alisema matayarisho ya Ibada ya Hija ya mwaka huu yalishaanza toka miezi sita iliyopita ambapo mpaka sasa Waislamu zaidi ya 200 tayari wamejiorodhesha, lengo likiwa ni kusafirisha Mahujaji kati ya 350 na 400.

    Akijibu swali la mwandishi kwanini wasitumie ndege za Shirika la Ndege la Yemen ambazo inasamekana bei zake ni nafuu sana, Jabir alisema Hajj Trust hutumia ndege za kukodi za shirika la ndege Tanzania (ATC) ambazo pamoja na kuwa huenda moja kwa moja Jeddah, lakini pia wanajihisi ufahari kama wazalendo kushuka katika uwanja wa ndege wa kigeni wakiwa na ndege yenye alama ya Taifa wanalotoka.

    "Sisi ni wazalendo wa Taifa hili, tunasikia ufahari pesa za Watanzania zinapobaki katika mikono ya Watanzania wenyewe badala ya kuzipeleka kwa watu wa nje... Lakini pia ni ufahani kushuka Jeddah tukiwa kwenye ndege yenye nembo ya Taifa letu", alisema Katibu Mkuu hayo wa Hajj Trust.

    Hata hivyo, alidai kuwa tofauti kati ya nauli inayotozwa na ndege ya shirika hilo la Yemen na ile inayotozwa katika ndege za ATC ni dola 15 tu, huku safari za ATC zikiwa ni za moja kwa moja na hivyo kupunguza usumbufu kwa Mahujaji kwa kupanda na kushuka wabadilishapo ndege wakiwa njiani.

    "Safari hizi za ndege ya Yemen sio kitu kipya, zimeanza toka toka Novemba 1999. Hata sisi huko nyuma tuliwahi kutumia ndege zao kusafirishia waumini waliokwenda (kufanya Ibada ya) Umra, " alisema Jabir.

    Ratiba ya safari za Hija kama ilivyooneshwa kwa mwandishi ni kuwa ndege zitaondoka Dar es Salaam kwenda Jeddah Februari 17, 18, 19 na 23, na zile za kurudi zitaanzia Machi 11, mwaka huu.

    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na kuwepo ndani ya chama tawala kwa wananchi ambao ni mbumbumbu wa demokrasia kwa vile bado wanaamini mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Aidha imefafanuliwa kwamba umbumbumbu huo umewagubika hata baadhi ya watendaji katika chama hicho ambao pia hukutana na wananchi kama watendaji serikalini.

    Hayo yameelezwa na wananchi waliozungumza na gazeti hili kufuatia kauli ya Rais Benjamin Mkapa aliyedai kwamba wapo mbumbumbu wa demokrasia.

    Wakiyafafanua maelezo yao hayo, wananchi hao wamesema, kwa mfano, Mwenyekiti wa chama tawala anapotumia kofia yake ya Urais kushinikiza nguvu za dola kuzuia mikutano ya vyama vingine (pinzani) vya siasa husaidia kuwapotosha zaidi wale mbumbumbu wa demokrasia wanaodhani kuwa bado tupo kwenye mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Wamesema pia kwamba kuwepo kwa "demokrasia mbumbumbu" kumechangiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa na wale wanaodhani kuwa kununua kura, kuwahonga wapiga kura, kuiba kura, kutumia vitisho na hata nguvu za dola kupora kura na kukandamiza upinzani ni sehemu ya demokrasia.

    Pia wameeleza kwamba wapo miongoni mwa mambumbumbu hao wa demokrasia walijiumbua wakati wa kampeni pale walipopanda kwenye majukwaa "wasijue cha kuzungumza ila kuanza kutumia maneno machafu dhidi ya wake za baadhi ya wagombea ambao hotuba zao zilijaa hoja nzito ambazo mambumbu walishindwa kuzijibu."

    "Mambumbumbu wengi pia wamo ndani ya chama tawala. Hawa demokrasia yao ni 'demokrasia mbumbumbu' pia. Kwao mwananchi akijiunga na chama cha upinzani hustahili hata kunyimwa haki zake za msingi za kibinadamu na zile za kiraia. Baadhi ( ya mambumbumbu hao) hudhani kuwa ni halali hata kutumia nguvu za dola kumbughudhi na hata kumtesa mtu na familia yake kwa kumnyima ajira na njia yoyote ya kujitafutia riziki kuwa japo kwa biashara ya genge la nyanya. Ndio maana imekuwa kawaida ya wengi kuwaalika baadhi ya viongozi wa chama tawala kuwasimikia 'vijiwe' na bendera za mashina ili wapate uhalali wa kufungua magenge ya kujipatia riziki", alieleza Mwalimu Shaaban Hadidu.

    Mwalimu Hadidu aliongeza kwamba baadhi ya mambumbumbu hao huwa hawaoni haya wala vibaya kuwaambia wananchi tundika bendera usalimike.

    Wakizidi kuchambua kina cha umbumbumbu uliopo wananchi hao wamedai wapo pia mambumbumbu waliona sawa tu kutukana dini za baadhi ya wananchi kuwa ni wenye kuhongwa tena ndani ya majumba yao ya Ibada, na wengine wakadiriki hata kuwakodi watu waliojiita "masheikh" ili wapande majukwaa kukashifa dini za watu wanaoonekana kutokipenda chama cha mambumbumbu hao.

    Wananchi hai pia walielezea kuwepo kwa umbumbumbu demokrasia upande wa upinzani pia. Wamesema mambumbumbu katika upande huo hudhani demokrasia maana yake kujipendekeza chama tawala ili "wasalimike, " na Msajili wa Vyama asije akataka kuhakiki vyama vyao kama bado vina wanachama, vinafanya mkutano wake kwa mujibu wa katiba na vinafanya uchaguzi wa kidemokrasia wa viongozi wake tangu viundwe miaka 8 iliyopita. "Miongoni mwao hawa wapo pia viongozi wa vyama ambao hawaishi kujipendekeza kwao huko, hufikia hata baadhi yao kutumiwa kama mapandikizi dhidi ya kambi ya upinzani, wanahribu vyama vyetu na sasa wanatufanya wote tuonekane hatuna maana" alilalamika Bw. Furaha Msonga.

    Aidha, wananchi hao wamesema lipo pia swala la umoja wa kitaifa ambapo wametahadharisha .vyama vingi visiwe sababu ya kuvunja utaifa.

    Hata hivyo wameongeza kutoa tahadhari kwamba watanzania waasitegemee kujenga utaifa huo huku baadhi ya viongozi kwenye chama tawala hawaishi kuwakashifu na kuwakejeli baadhi ya viongozi na wananchama wa vyama vya upinzani.

    Wakitolea mfano wa jinsi viongozi wa chama tawla wanavyoweza kufanya kazi na wale wa upinzani kwa msalahi ya taifa, wananchi hao wamemtaja Mzee Nelson Mandela wa Afrika ya Kusini ambapo wamesema watu wa chama tawala wangejifunza toka Afrika Kusini au hata Marekani.

    "Mandela alikuwa akifanyakazi na viongozi wa upinzani, na (George) Bush (wa Marekani) pia kaonesha hilo", alieleza mwanchi mmoja aliyejitambulisha kwa jina moja tu la Mgana.­.

    Waislamu watakiwa kuwa watekelezaji wa maamuzi

    * Watakiwa kwatambua wale wanaokwamisha utekelezaji ambao ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe


    Na Mwandishi Wetu

    WAISLAMU nchini wametakiwa kuyatekeleza yale yaliyoamuliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na yakafundishwa kwao na Mtume wake (S.A.W.) kama moja ya ahadi juu yao.

    Aidha wametakiwa vilevile kutekeleza na yale ambayo wao huyaamua kwa misingi ya dini yao na kisha wakaaomba dua kwa Mweneyzi Mungu (S.W.) awawafikishie.

    Akitoa wito huo, Mhadhiri wa kiislamu jijini Dar es Salaam, Ustaadh Kondo Bungo amewaambia Waislamu kwamba maamrisho ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.), mafundisho ya Mtume (S.A.W) na maamuzi wanayoyachukua Waislamu hao na kisha wakayaombea dua kwa Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W) awawafikishie yote hayo ni miongoni mwa ahadi mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) ambazo wanayo dhima ya kuzitekeleza.

    Ustaadhi Bungo alikuwa akiongea na Waislamu katika Msikiti wa Taqwa, uliopo Mwananyamala, Dar es Salaam, baada ya Swala ya I'sha, Jumapili, Januari 7 mwaka huu.

    Akiufafanua msimamo wake huo juu ya suala hilo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema licha ya Waislamu wengi kuwa wanalijua jambo hilo bado kuna tatizo la utekelezaji wa ahadi hizo wanazozichukua na kisha aliwauliza Waislamu: "...nini kiini cha tatizo hili?".

    Akifafanua kuhusu kiini cha tatizo hilo la kutotekelezwa ahadi hizo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema kwamba ahadi nyingi zinakwamishwa na watu wa aina tatu miongoni mwa umma wa Waislamu ambao aliwataja kuwa ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe.

    Akiwazungumzia vibaraka alisema: "mtu kibaraka ni (yule) ambaye mko naye msikitini na anapiga takbira kwa wingi lakini kesho utamkuta anajipendekeza kwa kiongozi anayewatukana Waislamu... na yeye ndio wa kwanza kupanga mstari kutoa mkono kwa kiongozi huyo (kama dalili ya salamu ya heshima)"

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliendeleza uchambuzi wake ambapo alisema ikitokea Muislamu huyo kibaraka kuwa ni Imam au kiongozi wa Taasasi ya Kiislamu, basi yeye ndio huwa wa kwanza anapokuwa na hafla kuwaalika viongozi wenye kauli chafu dhidi ya Waislamu kuwa wageni rasmi.

    Alilitaja kundi la pili kuwa ni Waislamu waoga ambao alisema hao nao ni tatizo. Alisema Waislamu walio katika kundi hilo, kutokana na woga wao, husahau kumhofu Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na badala yake wakawahofu wanandamu wenzo kutokana na madaraka walionayo na vitisho vyao.

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliwatamnabaisha Waislamu kwamba ikitokea mtu huyo mwoga kuwa Imam, sheikh au amir, basi anapotoa hotuba zake huwa anayumbayumba katika mada.

    "Siku zote huwa hawasemi kweli watu hawa na wala hawafundishi yanayostahiki kuwa haki... kwa mfano badala ya kufundisha kuindoa dhuluma wao hufundisha kuikwepa", alieleza Ustaadh Bungo.

    Akifafanua hoja yake hiyo alisema ikitokea 'grosari' imejengwa mbele ya msikiti, basi imamu au sheikh huyo mwoga hubadili njia badala ya kuwataka waumini "wakaiondoe grosari hiyo", na kisha akauliza: "je katika njia hiyo nyingine pakijengwa baa imam huyo na waumini watapita wapi?"

    Akilitaja kundi la tatu Ustaadh Bungo alisema watu wake ni wazembe na akadai kwamba hao ni hatari zaidi.

    Alisema wakati wale waoga hutoa visingizio vya "eti wanatumia hekima", waumini wazembe hudai "eti wanasubiri amiri wao aseme!"

    Ustaadh Bungo ameeleza kuwa katika Uislamu, suala la kupambana na maovu kwa misingi ya dini hiyo ni amri, na kwamba amri yoyote ni ibada.

    Akitolea mfano alisema: "Kuswali ni ibada na pindi wakti (wakati) unapotimu waumini huinuka wakaswali pasi na kumsubiri amir", na kisha akahoji, "sasa iweje suala la kuondoa maovu wasubiri kauli ya amir?"

    Amesema, muda wa swala ukifika, waumini, wakiwemo wazembe hao, huinuka kwenda kuswali na wala hawasikiki wakitoa visingizio vyao vya kumsubiri amir, na aashangaa iweje katikia ibada zingine waumini wadai kumsubiri amir.

    Ustaadh Bungo aliwataka waumini kuwatambua watu hao watatu wanaokwamisha utekelezaji wa ahadi wanazozichukua Waislamu ili wapate kuwaelimisha na pale inaposhindikana kuelimishwa basi wawaepuke kwa vile alisema watu hao ni kikwazo katika maendeleo ya jamii ya Waislamu.

    Aizungumzia umuhimu wa kuwaelimisha, ustaadh huyo aliwakumbusha waumini msiktini hapo kisa cha Nabii Musa (A.S) aliyekimbilia Madiyan baada ya kukabiliwa na tuhuma ya kupiga mtu hadi kufa katika utawala wa Firauni.

    Lakini wakati Musa akiwa Madiyan, Ustaadh Bungo alisema Mwenyezi Mungu alimwambia Musa (A.S) aende kwa Furauni "akamlinganie" aache kiburi chake cha kujidai yeye Mungu, kufanya dhuluma, mauaji ya raia na ukandamizaji uliokithiri.

    Alisema, Musa (A.S), ambaye awali aliukimbia utawala wa Firauni kwa hofu ya tuhuma zilizokuwa zikimkabili, alilazimika kuishinda nafsi yake iliyokuwa ikimuhofu Firauni ambaye alikuwa ni kiumbe na mwanadamu kama yeye Musa (A.S).

    "Musa (A.S) akaacha mara moja kumhofu Firauni na badala yake akazidisha kumhofu Allah (S.W) (hivyo) akaamua kwenda kumkabili Firauni licha ya maguvu yake ya dola na wapambe wake wachawi na washirikina", alifafanua Ustaadh Bungo.

    Alisema Musa (A.S) aifanikiwa kumshinda Firauni na kuwakomboa wananchi waliokuwa wakiteseka chini ya utawala huo wa kidhalimu wa Firauni.

    Aidha, kuhusu kundi la waislamu wazembe, Ustaadh Bungo aliwakumbusha Waislamu mazingira ya enzi ya Mtume (S.A.W) ambapo alisema katika vita zote zilizopiganwa wakati huo na ambazo zilijulikana kama "Ghazua", waumini baada ya kujua kuwa walikuwa wakipigana kwa amri ya Mola wao na haki ya dini yao, hawakuwa wakizembea kwa kujenga visingizio vya kusubiri amri ya Mtume (S.A.W), bali kila walipoona dhuluma, vita au shari ikielekezwa kwao walipamabna nayo.

    "Ama kwa wale vibaraka", alisema Ustaadh Bungo, "hawa ni wa kupigwa vita sambamba na madhalimu wanaowaweka mbele na kuwapa majukwaa ya kuwatusi Waislamu".
    'Hajj Trust' yaongeza huduma kwa mahujaji

    * Usafiri wa Jeddah-Madina sasa kwa ndege


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    Mahujaji wa Tanzania watakaokwenda Hija kuanzia mwaka huu watapatiwa usafiri wa ndege kutoka Jeddah kwenda Madina ili kukwepa uchovu wa safari ndefu ya masaa nane kati ya miji hiyo miwili ambao wangeupata endapo wangetumia usafiri wa basi.

    Hayo yalisemwa na Katibu Mkuu wa Taasisi ya Kiislamu inayoshughulikia masuala ya Hija hapa nchini, Tanzania Muslim Hajj Trust, Abdallah M.Jabir, alipokuwa akizungumza na NASAHA kuhusu maandalizi ya Hija ya mwaka huu.

    Jabiri amesema kuwa nyongeza hiyo ya huduma ya usafiri wa ndege kwa kutumia ndege ya Shirika la Ndege la Saudi Arabia, Saudi Airlines, haitaathiri huduma nyingine zitolewazo na taasisi yake wala ongezeko la gharama kutoka kwa Mahujaji. Gharama za Hija kwa mwaka huu kama ilivyotangazwa na taasisi yake ni dola za Kimarekani 1600, ikiwa ni ongezeko la dola 100 zaidi kutokana na kupanda kwa gharama za huduma za ndani za serikali nchini Saudi Arabia.

    Alizitaja huduma nyingine kwa uchache wazitoazo kwa Mahujaji kuwa ni pamoja na chakula kwa siku zote wawapo katika miji ya Maka, Madina na Mina na huduma ya matabibu wa kiume na wa [censored] wakati wa Hija. Huduma nyingine ni za waongozaji Mahujaji katika miji hiyo mitatu na ziara za maeneo matakatifu ya kihistoria zilizopo Madina.

    Aidha alisema matayarisho ya Ibada ya Hija ya mwaka huu yalishaanza toka miezi sita iliyopita ambapo mpaka sasa Waislamu zaidi ya 200 tayari wamejiorodhesha, lengo likiwa ni kusafirisha Mahujaji kati ya 350 na 400.

    Akijibu swali la mwandishi kwanini wasitumie ndege za Shirika la Ndege la Yemen ambazo inasamekana bei zake ni nafuu sana, Jabir alisema Hajj Trust hutumia ndege za kukodi za shirika la ndege Tanzania (ATC) ambazo pamoja na kuwa huenda moja kwa moja Jeddah, lakini pia wanajihisi ufahari kama wazalendo kushuka katika uwanja wa ndege wa kigeni wakiwa na ndege yenye alama ya Taifa wanalotoka.

    "Sisi ni wazalendo wa Taifa hili, tunasikia ufahari pesa za Watanzania zinapobaki katika mikono ya Watanzania wenyewe badala ya kuzipeleka kwa watu wa nje... Lakini pia ni ufahani kushuka Jeddah tukiwa kwenye ndege yenye nembo ya Taifa letu", alisema Katibu Mkuu hayo wa Hajj Trust.

    Hata hivyo, alidai kuwa tofauti kati ya nauli inayotozwa na ndege ya shirika hilo la Yemen na ile inayotozwa katika ndege za ATC ni dola 15 tu, huku safari za ATC zikiwa ni za moja kwa moja na hivyo kupunguza usumbufu kwa Mahujaji kwa kupanda na kushuka wabadilishapo ndege wakiwa njiani.

    "Safari hizi za ndege ya Yemen sio kitu kipya, zimeanza toka toka Novemba 1999. Hata sisi huko nyuma tuliwahi kutumia ndege zao kusafirishia waumini waliokwenda (kufanya Ibada ya) Umra, " alisema Jabir.

    Ratiba ya safari za Hija kama ilivyooneshwa kwa mwandishi ni kuwa ndege zitaondoka Dar es Salaam kwenda Jeddah Februari 17, 18, 19 na 23, na zile za kurudi zitaanzia Machi 11, mwaka huu.

    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na kuwepo ndani ya chama tawala kwa wananchi ambao ni mbumbumbu wa demokrasia kwa vile bado wanaamini mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Aidha imefafanuliwa kwamba umbumbumbu huo umewagubika hata baadhi ya watendaji katika chama hicho ambao pia hukutana na wananchi kama watendaji serikalini.

    Hayo yameelezwa na wananchi waliozungumza na gazeti hili kufuatia kauli ya Rais Benjamin Mkapa aliyedai kwamba wapo mbumbumbu wa demokrasia.

    Wakiyafafanua maelezo yao hayo, wananchi hao wamesema, kwa mfano, Mwenyekiti wa chama tawala anapotumia kofia yake ya Urais kushinikiza nguvu za dola kuzuia mikutano ya vyama vingine (pinzani) vya siasa husaidia kuwapotosha zaidi wale mbumbumbu wa demokrasia wanaodhani kuwa bado tupo kwenye mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Wamesema pia kwamba kuwepo kwa "demokrasia mbumbumbu" kumechangiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa na wale wanaodhani kuwa kununua kura, kuwahonga wapiga kura, kuiba kura, kutumia vitisho na hata nguvu za dola kupora kura na kukandamiza upinzani ni sehemu ya demokrasia.

    Pia wameeleza kwamba wapo miongoni mwa mambumbumbu hao wa demokrasia walijiumbua wakati wa kampeni pale walipopanda kwenye majukwaa "wasijue cha kuzungumza ila kuanza kutumia maneno machafu dhidi ya wake za baadhi ya wagombea ambao hotuba zao zilijaa hoja nzito ambazo mambumbu walishindwa kuzijibu."

    "Mambumbumbu wengi pia wamo ndani ya chama tawala. Hawa demokrasia yao ni 'demokrasia mbumbumbu' pia. Kwao mwananchi akijiunga na chama cha upinzani hustahili hata kunyimwa haki zake za msingi za kibinadamu na zile za kiraia. Baadhi ( ya mambumbumbu hao) hudhani kuwa ni halali hata kutumia nguvu za dola kumbughudhi na hata kumtesa mtu na familia yake kwa kumnyima ajira na njia yoyote ya kujitafutia riziki kuwa japo kwa biashara ya genge la nyanya. Ndio maana imekuwa kawaida ya wengi kuwaalika baadhi ya viongozi wa chama tawala kuwasimikia 'vijiwe' na bendera za mashina ili wapate uhalali wa kufungua magenge ya kujipatia riziki", alieleza Mwalimu Shaaban Hadidu.

    Mwalimu Hadidu aliongeza kwamba baadhi ya mambumbumbu hao huwa hawaoni haya wala vibaya kuwaambia wananchi tundika bendera usalimike.

    Wakizidi kuchambua kina cha umbumbumbu uliopo wananchi hao wamedai wapo pia mambumbumbu waliona sawa tu kutukana dini za baadhi ya wananchi kuwa ni wenye kuhongwa tena ndani ya majumba yao ya Ibada, na wengine wakadiriki hata kuwakodi watu waliojiita "masheikh" ili wapande majukwaa kukashifa dini za watu wanaoonekana kutokipenda chama cha mambumbumbu hao.

    Wananchi hai pia walielezea kuwepo kwa umbumbumbu demokrasia upande wa upinzani pia. Wamesema mambumbumbu katika upande huo hudhani demokrasia maana yake kujipendekeza chama tawala ili "wasalimike, " na Msajili wa Vyama asije akataka kuhakiki vyama vyao kama bado vina wanachama, vinafanya mkutano wake kwa mujibu wa katiba na vinafanya uchaguzi wa kidemokrasia wa viongozi wake tangu viundwe miaka 8 iliyopita. "Miongoni mwao hawa wapo pia viongozi wa vyama ambao hawaishi kujipendekeza kwao huko, hufikia hata baadhi yao kutumiwa kama mapandikizi dhidi ya kambi ya upinzani, wanahribu vyama vyetu na sasa wanatufanya wote tuonekane hatuna maana" alilalamika Bw. Furaha Msonga.

    Aidha, wananchi hao wamesema lipo pia swala la umoja wa kitaifa ambapo wametahadharisha .vyama vingi visiwe sababu ya kuvunja utaifa.

    Hata hivyo wameongeza kutoa tahadhari kwamba watanzania waasitegemee kujenga utaifa huo huku baadhi ya viongozi kwenye chama tawala hawaishi kuwakashifu na kuwakejeli baadhi ya viongozi na wananchama wa vyama vya upinzani.

    Wakitolea mfano wa jinsi viongozi wa chama tawla wanavyoweza kufanya kazi na wale wa upinzani kwa msalahi ya taifa, wananchi hao wamemtaja Mzee Nelson Mandela wa Afrika ya Kusini ambapo wamesema watu wa chama tawala wangejifunza toka Afrika Kusini au hata Marekani.

    "Mandela alikuwa akifanyakazi na viongozi wa upinzani, na (George) Bush (wa Marekani) pia kaonesha hilo", alieleza mwanchi mmoja aliyejitambulisha kwa jina moja tu la Mgana.­.

    Waislamu watakiwa kuwa watekelezaji wa maamuzi

    * Watakiwa kwatambua wale wanaokwamisha utekelezaji ambao ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe


    Na Mwandishi Wetu

    WAISLAMU nchini wametakiwa kuyatekeleza yale yaliyoamuliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na yakafundishwa kwao na Mtume wake (S.A.W.) kama moja ya ahadi juu yao.

    Aidha wametakiwa vilevile kutekeleza na yale ambayo wao huyaamua kwa misingi ya dini yao na kisha wakaaomba dua kwa Mweneyzi Mungu (S.W.) awawafikishie.

    Akitoa wito huo, Mhadhiri wa kiislamu jijini Dar es Salaam, Ustaadh Kondo Bungo amewaambia Waislamu kwamba maamrisho ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.), mafundisho ya Mtume (S.A.W) na maamuzi wanayoyachukua Waislamu hao na kisha wakayaombea dua kwa Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W) awawafikishie yote hayo ni miongoni mwa ahadi mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) ambazo wanayo dhima ya kuzitekeleza.

    Ustaadhi Bungo alikuwa akiongea na Waislamu katika Msikiti wa Taqwa, uliopo Mwananyamala, Dar es Salaam, baada ya Swala ya I'sha, Jumapili, Januari 7 mwaka huu.

    Akiufafanua msimamo wake huo juu ya suala hilo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema licha ya Waislamu wengi kuwa wanalijua jambo hilo bado kuna tatizo la utekelezaji wa ahadi hizo wanazozichukua na kisha aliwauliza Waislamu: "...nini kiini cha tatizo hili?".

    Akifafanua kuhusu kiini cha tatizo hilo la kutotekelezwa ahadi hizo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema kwamba ahadi nyingi zinakwamishwa na watu wa aina tatu miongoni mwa umma wa Waislamu ambao aliwataja kuwa ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe.

    Akiwazungumzia vibaraka alisema: "mtu kibaraka ni (yule) ambaye mko naye msikitini na anapiga takbira kwa wingi lakini kesho utamkuta anajipendekeza kwa kiongozi anayewatukana Waislamu... na yeye ndio wa kwanza kupanga mstari kutoa mkono kwa kiongozi huyo (kama dalili ya salamu ya heshima)"

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliendeleza uchambuzi wake ambapo alisema ikitokea Muislamu huyo kibaraka kuwa ni Imam au kiongozi wa Taasasi ya Kiislamu, basi yeye ndio huwa wa kwanza anapokuwa na hafla kuwaalika viongozi wenye kauli chafu dhidi ya Waislamu kuwa wageni rasmi.

    Alilitaja kundi la pili kuwa ni Waislamu waoga ambao alisema hao nao ni tatizo. Alisema Waislamu walio katika kundi hilo, kutokana na woga wao, husahau kumhofu Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na badala yake wakawahofu wanandamu wenzo kutokana na madaraka walionayo na vitisho vyao.

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliwatamnabaisha Waislamu kwamba ikitokea mtu huyo mwoga kuwa Imam, sheikh au amir, basi anapotoa hotuba zake huwa anayumbayumba katika mada.

    "Siku zote huwa hawasemi kweli watu hawa na wala hawafundishi yanayostahiki kuwa haki... kwa mfano badala ya kufundisha kuindoa dhuluma wao hufundisha kuikwepa", alieleza Ustaadh Bungo.

    Akifafanua hoja yake hiyo alisema ikitokea 'grosari' imejengwa mbele ya msikiti, basi imamu au sheikh huyo mwoga hubadili njia badala ya kuwataka waumini "wakaiondoe grosari hiyo", na kisha akauliza: "je katika njia hiyo nyingine pakijengwa baa imam huyo na waumini watapita wapi?"

    Akilitaja kundi la tatu Ustaadh Bungo alisema watu wake ni wazembe na akadai kwamba hao ni hatari zaidi.

    Alisema wakati wale waoga hutoa visingizio vya "eti wanatumia hekima", waumini wazembe hudai "eti wanasubiri amiri wao aseme!"

    Ustaadh Bungo ameeleza kuwa katika Uislamu, suala la kupambana na maovu kwa misingi ya dini hiyo ni amri, na kwamba amri yoyote ni ibada.

    Akitolea mfano alisema: "Kuswali ni ibada na pindi wakti (wakati) unapotimu waumini huinuka wakaswali pasi na kumsubiri amir", na kisha akahoji, "sasa iweje suala la kuondoa maovu wasubiri kauli ya amir?"

    Amesema, muda wa swala ukifika, waumini, wakiwemo wazembe hao, huinuka kwenda kuswali na wala hawasikiki wakitoa visingizio vyao vya kumsubiri amir, na aashangaa iweje katikia ibada zingine waumini wadai kumsubiri amir.

    Ustaadh Bungo aliwataka waumini kuwatambua watu hao watatu wanaokwamisha utekelezaji wa ahadi wanazozichukua Waislamu ili wapate kuwaelimisha na pale inaposhindikana kuelimishwa basi wawaepuke kwa vile alisema watu hao ni kikwazo katika maendeleo ya jamii ya Waislamu.

    Aizungumzia umuhimu wa kuwaelimisha, ustaadh huyo aliwakumbusha waumini msiktini hapo kisa cha Nabii Musa (A.S) aliyekimbilia Madiyan baada ya kukabiliwa na tuhuma ya kupiga mtu hadi kufa katika utawala wa Firauni.

    Lakini wakati Musa akiwa Madiyan, Ustaadh Bungo alisema Mwenyezi Mungu alimwambia Musa (A.S) aende kwa Furauni "akamlinganie" aache kiburi chake cha kujidai yeye Mungu, kufanya dhuluma, mauaji ya raia na ukandamizaji uliokithiri.

    Alisema, Musa (A.S), ambaye awali aliukimbia utawala wa Firauni kwa hofu ya tuhuma zilizokuwa zikimkabili, alilazimika kuishinda nafsi yake iliyokuwa ikimuhofu Firauni ambaye alikuwa ni kiumbe na mwanadamu kama yeye Musa (A.S).

    "Musa (A.S) akaacha mara moja kumhofu Firauni na badala yake akazidisha kumhofu Allah (S.W) (hivyo) akaamua kwenda kumkabili Firauni licha ya maguvu yake ya dola na wapambe wake wachawi na washirikina", alifafanua Ustaadh Bungo.

    Alisema Musa (A.S) aifanikiwa kumshinda Firauni na kuwakomboa wananchi waliokuwa wakiteseka chini ya utawala huo wa kidhalimu wa Firauni.

    Aidha, kuhusu kundi la waislamu wazembe, Ustaadh Bungo aliwakumbusha Waislamu mazingira ya enzi ya Mtume (S.A.W) ambapo alisema katika vita zote zilizopiganwa wakati huo na ambazo zilijulikana kama "Ghazua", waumini baada ya kujua kuwa walikuwa wakipigana kwa amri ya Mola wao na haki ya dini yao, hawakuwa wakizembea kwa kujenga visingizio vya kusubiri amri ya Mtume (S.A.W), bali kila walipoona dhuluma, vita au shari ikielekezwa kwao walipamabna nayo.

    "Ama kwa wale vibaraka", alisema Ustaadh Bungo, "hawa ni wa kupigwa vita sambamba na madhalimu wanaowaweka mbele na kuwapa majukwaa ya kuwatusi Waislamu".
    'Hajj Trust' yaongeza huduma kwa mahujaji

    * Usafiri wa Jeddah-Madina sasa kwa ndege


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    Mahujaji wa Tanzania watakaokwenda Hija kuanzia mwaka huu watapatiwa usafiri wa ndege kutoka Jeddah kwenda Madina ili kukwepa uchovu wa safari ndefu ya masaa nane kati ya miji hiyo miwili ambao wangeupata endapo wangetumia usafiri wa basi.

    Hayo yalisemwa na Katibu Mkuu wa Taasisi ya Kiislamu inayoshughulikia masuala ya Hija hapa nchini, Tanzania Muslim Hajj Trust, Abdallah M.Jabir, alipokuwa akizungumza na NASAHA kuhusu maandalizi ya Hija ya mwaka huu.

    Jabiri amesema kuwa nyongeza hiyo ya huduma ya usafiri wa ndege kwa kutumia ndege ya Shirika la Ndege la Saudi Arabia, Saudi Airlines, haitaathiri huduma nyingine zitolewazo na taasisi yake wala ongezeko la gharama kutoka kwa Mahujaji. Gharama za Hija kwa mwaka huu kama ilivyotangazwa na taasisi yake ni dola za Kimarekani 1600, ikiwa ni ongezeko la dola 100 zaidi kutokana na kupanda kwa gharama za huduma za ndani za serikali nchini Saudi Arabia.

    Alizitaja huduma nyingine kwa uchache wazitoazo kwa Mahujaji kuwa ni pamoja na chakula kwa siku zote wawapo katika miji ya Maka, Madina na Mina na huduma ya matabibu wa kiume na wa [censored] wakati wa Hija. Huduma nyingine ni za waongozaji Mahujaji katika miji hiyo mitatu na ziara za maeneo matakatifu ya kihistoria zilizopo Madina.

    Aidha alisema matayarisho ya Ibada ya Hija ya mwaka huu yalishaanza toka miezi sita iliyopita ambapo mpaka sasa Waislamu zaidi ya 200 tayari wamejiorodhesha, lengo likiwa ni kusafirisha Mahujaji kati ya 350 na 400.

    Akijibu swali la mwandishi kwanini wasitumie ndege za Shirika la Ndege la Yemen ambazo inasamekana bei zake ni nafuu sana, Jabir alisema Hajj Trust hutumia ndege za kukodi za shirika la ndege Tanzania (ATC) ambazo pamoja na kuwa huenda moja kwa moja Jeddah, lakini pia wanajihisi ufahari kama wazalendo kushuka katika uwanja wa ndege wa kigeni wakiwa na ndege yenye alama ya Taifa wanalotoka.

    "Sisi ni wazalendo wa Taifa hili, tunasikia ufahari pesa za Watanzania zinapobaki katika mikono ya Watanzania wenyewe badala ya kuzipeleka kwa watu wa nje... Lakini pia ni ufahani kushuka Jeddah tukiwa kwenye ndege yenye nembo ya Taifa letu", alisema Katibu Mkuu hayo wa Hajj Trust.

    Hata hivyo, alidai kuwa tofauti kati ya nauli inayotozwa na ndege ya shirika hilo la Yemen na ile inayotozwa katika ndege za ATC ni dola 15 tu, huku safari za ATC zikiwa ni za moja kwa moja na hivyo kupunguza usumbufu kwa Mahujaji kwa kupanda na kushuka wabadilishapo ndege wakiwa njiani.

    "Safari hizi za ndege ya Yemen sio kitu kipya, zimeanza toka toka Novemba 1999. Hata sisi huko nyuma tuliwahi kutumia ndege zao kusafirishia waumini waliokwenda (kufanya Ibada ya) Umra, " alisema Jabir.

    Ratiba ya safari za Hija kama ilivyooneshwa kwa mwandishi ni kuwa ndege zitaondoka Dar es Salaam kwenda Jeddah Februari 17, 18, 19 na 23, na zile za kurudi zitaanzia Machi 11, mwaka huu.

    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na kuwepo ndani ya chama tawala kwa wananchi ambao ni mbumbumbu wa demokrasia kwa vile bado wanaamini mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Aidha imefafanuliwa kwamba umbumbumbu huo umewagubika hata baadhi ya watendaji katika chama hicho ambao pia hukutana na wananchi kama watendaji serikalini.

    Hayo yameelezwa na wananchi waliozungumza na gazeti hili kufuatia kauli ya Rais Benjamin Mkapa aliyedai kwamba wapo mbumbumbu wa demokrasia.

    Wakiyafafanua maelezo yao hayo, wananchi hao wamesema, kwa mfano, Mwenyekiti wa chama tawala anapotumia kofia yake ya Urais kushinikiza nguvu za dola kuzuia mikutano ya vyama vingine (pinzani) vya siasa husaidia kuwapotosha zaidi wale mbumbumbu wa demokrasia wanaodhani kuwa bado tupo kwenye mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Wamesema pia kwamba kuwepo kwa "demokrasia mbumbumbu" kumechangiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa na wale wanaodhani kuwa kununua kura, kuwahonga wapiga kura, kuiba kura, kutumia vitisho na hata nguvu za dola kupora kura na kukandamiza upinzani ni sehemu ya demokrasia.

    Pia wameeleza kwamba wapo miongoni mwa mambumbumbu hao wa demokrasia walijiumbua wakati wa kampeni pale walipopanda kwenye majukwaa "wasijue cha kuzungumza ila kuanza kutumia maneno machafu dhidi ya wake za baadhi ya wagombea ambao hotuba zao zilijaa hoja nzito ambazo mambumbu walishindwa kuzijibu."

    "Mambumbumbu wengi pia wamo ndani ya chama tawala. Hawa demokrasia yao ni 'demokrasia mbumbumbu' pia. Kwao mwananchi akijiunga na chama cha upinzani hustahili hata kunyimwa haki zake za msingi za kibinadamu na zile za kiraia. Baadhi ( ya mambumbumbu hao) hudhani kuwa ni halali hata kutumia nguvu za dola kumbughudhi na hata kumtesa mtu na familia yake kwa kumnyima ajira na njia yoyote ya kujitafutia riziki kuwa japo kwa biashara ya genge la nyanya. Ndio maana imekuwa kawaida ya wengi kuwaalika baadhi ya viongozi wa chama tawala kuwasimikia 'vijiwe' na bendera za mashina ili wapate uhalali wa kufungua magenge ya kujipatia riziki", alieleza Mwalimu Shaaban Hadidu.

    Mwalimu Hadidu aliongeza kwamba baadhi ya mambumbumbu hao huwa hawaoni haya wala vibaya kuwaambia wananchi tundika bendera usalimike.

    Wakizidi kuchambua kina cha umbumbumbu uliopo wananchi hao wamedai wapo pia mambumbumbu waliona sawa tu kutukana dini za baadhi ya wananchi kuwa ni wenye kuhongwa tena ndani ya majumba yao ya Ibada, na wengine wakadiriki hata kuwakodi watu waliojiita "masheikh" ili wapande majukwaa kukashifa dini za watu wanaoonekana kutokipenda chama cha mambumbumbu hao.

    Wananchi hai pia walielezea kuwepo kwa umbumbumbu demokrasia upande wa upinzani pia. Wamesema mambumbumbu katika upande huo hudhani demokrasia maana yake kujipendekeza chama tawala ili "wasalimike, " na Msajili wa Vyama asije akataka kuhakiki vyama vyao kama bado vina wanachama, vinafanya mkutano wake kwa mujibu wa katiba na vinafanya uchaguzi wa kidemokrasia wa viongozi wake tangu viundwe miaka 8 iliyopita. "Miongoni mwao hawa wapo pia viongozi wa vyama ambao hawaishi kujipendekeza kwao huko, hufikia hata baadhi yao kutumiwa kama mapandikizi dhidi ya kambi ya upinzani, wanahribu vyama vyetu na sasa wanatufanya wote tuonekane hatuna maana" alilalamika Bw. Furaha Msonga.

    Aidha, wananchi hao wamesema lipo pia swala la umoja wa kitaifa ambapo wametahadharisha .vyama vingi visiwe sababu ya kuvunja utaifa.

    Hata hivyo wameongeza kutoa tahadhari kwamba watanzania waasitegemee kujenga utaifa huo huku baadhi ya viongozi kwenye chama tawala hawaishi kuwakashifu na kuwakejeli baadhi ya viongozi na wananchama wa vyama vya upinzani.

    Wakitolea mfano wa jinsi viongozi wa chama tawla wanavyoweza kufanya kazi na wale wa upinzani kwa msalahi ya taifa, wananchi hao wamemtaja Mzee Nelson Mandela wa Afrika ya Kusini ambapo wamesema watu wa chama tawala wangejifunza toka Afrika Kusini au hata Marekani.

    "Mandela alikuwa akifanyakazi na viongozi wa upinzani, na (George) Bush (wa Marekani) pia kaonesha hilo", alieleza mwanchi mmoja aliyejitambulisha kwa jina moja tu la Mgana.­.

    Waislamu watakiwa kuwa watekelezaji wa maamuzi

    * Watakiwa kwatambua wale wanaokwamisha utekelezaji ambao ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe


    Na Mwandishi Wetu

    WAISLAMU nchini wametakiwa kuyatekeleza yale yaliyoamuliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na yakafundishwa kwao na Mtume wake (S.A.W.) kama moja ya ahadi juu yao.

    Aidha wametakiwa vilevile kutekeleza na yale ambayo wao huyaamua kwa misingi ya dini yao na kisha wakaaomba dua kwa Mweneyzi Mungu (S.W.) awawafikishie.

    Akitoa wito huo, Mhadhiri wa kiislamu jijini Dar es Salaam, Ustaadh Kondo Bungo amewaambia Waislamu kwamba maamrisho ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.), mafundisho ya Mtume (S.A.W) na maamuzi wanayoyachukua Waislamu hao na kisha wakayaombea dua kwa Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W) awawafikishie yote hayo ni miongoni mwa ahadi mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) ambazo wanayo dhima ya kuzitekeleza.

    Ustaadhi Bungo alikuwa akiongea na Waislamu katika Msikiti wa Taqwa, uliopo Mwananyamala, Dar es Salaam, baada ya Swala ya I'sha, Jumapili, Januari 7 mwaka huu.

    Akiufafanua msimamo wake huo juu ya suala hilo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema licha ya Waislamu wengi kuwa wanalijua jambo hilo bado kuna tatizo la utekelezaji wa ahadi hizo wanazozichukua na kisha aliwauliza Waislamu: "...nini kiini cha tatizo hili?".

    Akifafanua kuhusu kiini cha tatizo hilo la kutotekelezwa ahadi hizo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema kwamba ahadi nyingi zinakwamishwa na watu wa aina tatu miongoni mwa umma wa Waislamu ambao aliwataja kuwa ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe.

    Akiwazungumzia vibaraka alisema: "mtu kibaraka ni (yule) ambaye mko naye msikitini na anapiga takbira kwa wingi lakini kesho utamkuta anajipendekeza kwa kiongozi anayewatukana Waislamu... na yeye ndio wa kwanza kupanga mstari kutoa mkono kwa kiongozi huyo (kama dalili ya salamu ya heshima)"

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliendeleza uchambuzi wake ambapo alisema ikitokea Muislamu huyo kibaraka kuwa ni Imam au kiongozi wa Taasasi ya Kiislamu, basi yeye ndio huwa wa kwanza anapokuwa na hafla kuwaalika viongozi wenye kauli chafu dhidi ya Waislamu kuwa wageni rasmi.

    Alilitaja kundi la pili kuwa ni Waislamu waoga ambao alisema hao nao ni tatizo. Alisema Waislamu walio katika kundi hilo, kutokana na woga wao, husahau kumhofu Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na badala yake wakawahofu wanandamu wenzo kutokana na madaraka walionayo na vitisho vyao.

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliwatamnabaisha Waislamu kwamba ikitokea mtu huyo mwoga kuwa Imam, sheikh au amir, basi anapotoa hotuba zake huwa anayumbayumba katika mada.

    "Siku zote huwa hawasemi kweli watu hawa na wala hawafundishi yanayostahiki kuwa haki... kwa mfano badala ya kufundisha kuindoa dhuluma wao hufundisha kuikwepa", alieleza Ustaadh Bungo.

    Akifafanua hoja yake hiyo alisema ikitokea 'grosari' imejengwa mbele ya msikiti, basi imamu au sheikh huyo mwoga hubadili njia badala ya kuwataka waumini "wakaiondoe grosari hiyo", na kisha akauliza: "je katika njia hiyo nyingine pakijengwa baa imam huyo na waumini watapita wapi?"

    Akilitaja kundi la tatu Ustaadh Bungo alisema watu wake ni wazembe na akadai kwamba hao ni hatari zaidi.

    Alisema wakati wale waoga hutoa visingizio vya "eti wanatumia hekima", waumini wazembe hudai "eti wanasubiri amiri wao aseme!"

    Ustaadh Bungo ameeleza kuwa katika Uislamu, suala la kupambana na maovu kwa misingi ya dini hiyo ni amri, na kwamba amri yoyote ni ibada.

    Akitolea mfano alisema: "Kuswali ni ibada na pindi wakti (wakati) unapotimu waumini huinuka wakaswali pasi na kumsubiri amir", na kisha akahoji, "sasa iweje suala la kuondoa maovu wasubiri kauli ya amir?"

    Amesema, muda wa swala ukifika, waumini, wakiwemo wazembe hao, huinuka kwenda kuswali na wala hawasikiki wakitoa visingizio vyao vya kumsubiri amir, na aashangaa iweje katikia ibada zingine waumini wadai kumsubiri amir.

    Ustaadh Bungo aliwataka waumini kuwatambua watu hao watatu wanaokwamisha utekelezaji wa ahadi wanazozichukua Waislamu ili wapate kuwaelimisha na pale inaposhindikana kuelimishwa basi wawaepuke kwa vile alisema watu hao ni kikwazo katika maendeleo ya jamii ya Waislamu.

    Aizungumzia umuhimu wa kuwaelimisha, ustaadh huyo aliwakumbusha waumini msiktini hapo kisa cha Nabii Musa (A.S) aliyekimbilia Madiyan baada ya kukabiliwa na tuhuma ya kupiga mtu hadi kufa katika utawala wa Firauni.

    Lakini wakati Musa akiwa Madiyan, Ustaadh Bungo alisema Mwenyezi Mungu alimwambia Musa (A.S) aende kwa Furauni "akamlinganie" aache kiburi chake cha kujidai yeye Mungu, kufanya dhuluma, mauaji ya raia na ukandamizaji uliokithiri.

    Alisema, Musa (A.S), ambaye awali aliukimbia utawala wa Firauni kwa hofu ya tuhuma zilizokuwa zikimkabili, alilazimika kuishinda nafsi yake iliyokuwa ikimuhofu Firauni ambaye alikuwa ni kiumbe na mwanadamu kama yeye Musa (A.S).

    "Musa (A.S) akaacha mara moja kumhofu Firauni na badala yake akazidisha kumhofu Allah (S.W) (hivyo) akaamua kwenda kumkabili Firauni licha ya maguvu yake ya dola na wapambe wake wachawi na washirikina", alifafanua Ustaadh Bungo.

    Alisema Musa (A.S) aifanikiwa kumshinda Firauni na kuwakomboa wananchi waliokuwa wakiteseka chini ya utawala huo wa kidhalimu wa Firauni.

    Aidha, kuhusu kundi la waislamu wazembe, Ustaadh Bungo aliwakumbusha Waislamu mazingira ya enzi ya Mtume (S.A.W) ambapo alisema katika vita zote zilizopiganwa wakati huo na ambazo zilijulikana kama "Ghazua", waumini baada ya kujua kuwa walikuwa wakipigana kwa amri ya Mola wao na haki ya dini yao, hawakuwa wakizembea kwa kujenga visingizio vya kusubiri amri ya Mtume (S.A.W), bali kila walipoona dhuluma, vita au shari ikielekezwa kwao walipamabna nayo.

    "Ama kwa wale vibaraka", alisema Ustaadh Bungo, "hawa ni wa kupigwa vita sambamba na madhalimu wanaowaweka mbele na kuwapa majukwaa ya kuwatusi Waislamu".
    'Hajj Trust' yaongeza huduma kwa mahujaji

    * Usafiri wa Jeddah-Madina sasa kwa ndege


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    Mahujaji wa Tanzania watakaokwenda Hija kuanzia mwaka huu watapatiwa usafiri wa ndege kutoka Jeddah kwenda Madina ili kukwepa uchovu wa safari ndefu ya masaa nane kati ya miji hiyo miwili ambao wangeupata endapo wangetumia usafiri wa basi.

    Hayo yalisemwa na Katibu Mkuu wa Taasisi ya Kiislamu inayoshughulikia masuala ya Hija hapa nchini, Tanzania Muslim Hajj Trust, Abdallah M.Jabir, alipokuwa akizungumza na NASAHA kuhusu maandalizi ya Hija ya mwaka huu.

    Jabiri amesema kuwa nyongeza hiyo ya huduma ya usafiri wa ndege kwa kutumia ndege ya Shirika la Ndege la Saudi Arabia, Saudi Airlines, haitaathiri huduma nyingine zitolewazo na taasisi yake wala ongezeko la gharama kutoka kwa Mahujaji. Gharama za Hija kwa mwaka huu kama ilivyotangazwa na taasisi yake ni dola za Kimarekani 1600, ikiwa ni ongezeko la dola 100 zaidi kutokana na kupanda kwa gharama za huduma za ndani za serikali nchini Saudi Arabia.

    Alizitaja huduma nyingine kwa uchache wazitoazo kwa Mahujaji kuwa ni pamoja na chakula kwa siku zote wawapo katika miji ya Maka, Madina na Mina na huduma ya matabibu wa kiume na wa [censored] wakati wa Hija. Huduma nyingine ni za waongozaji Mahujaji katika miji hiyo mitatu na ziara za maeneo matakatifu ya kihistoria zilizopo Madina.

    Aidha alisema matayarisho ya Ibada ya Hija ya mwaka huu yalishaanza toka miezi sita iliyopita ambapo mpaka sasa Waislamu zaidi ya 200 tayari wamejiorodhesha, lengo likiwa ni kusafirisha Mahujaji kati ya 350 na 400.

    Akijibu swali la mwandishi kwanini wasitumie ndege za Shirika la Ndege la Yemen ambazo inasamekana bei zake ni nafuu sana, Jabir alisema Hajj Trust hutumia ndege za kukodi za shirika la ndege Tanzania (ATC) ambazo pamoja na kuwa huenda moja kwa moja Jeddah, lakini pia wanajihisi ufahari kama wazalendo kushuka katika uwanja wa ndege wa kigeni wakiwa na ndege yenye alama ya Taifa wanalotoka.

    "Sisi ni wazalendo wa Taifa hili, tunasikia ufahari pesa za Watanzania zinapobaki katika mikono ya Watanzania wenyewe badala ya kuzipeleka kwa watu wa nje... Lakini pia ni ufahani kushuka Jeddah tukiwa kwenye ndege yenye nembo ya Taifa letu", alisema Katibu Mkuu hayo wa Hajj Trust.

    Hata hivyo, alidai kuwa tofauti kati ya nauli inayotozwa na ndege ya shirika hilo la Yemen na ile inayotozwa katika ndege za ATC ni dola 15 tu, huku safari za ATC zikiwa ni za moja kwa moja na hivyo kupunguza usumbufu kwa Mahujaji kwa kupanda na kushuka wabadilishapo ndege wakiwa njiani.

    "Safari hizi za ndege ya Yemen sio kitu kipya, zimeanza toka toka Novemba 1999. Hata sisi huko nyuma tuliwahi kutumia ndege zao kusafirishia waumini waliokwenda (kufanya Ibada ya) Umra, " alisema Jabir.

    Ratiba ya safari za Hija kama ilivyooneshwa kwa mwandishi ni kuwa ndege zitaondoka Dar es Salaam kwenda Jeddah Februari 17, 18, 19 na 23, na zile za kurudi zitaanzia Machi 11, mwaka huu.

    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na kuwepo ndani ya chama tawala kwa wananchi ambao ni mbumbumbu wa demokrasia kwa vile bado wanaamini mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Aidha imefafanuliwa kwamba umbumbumbu huo umewagubika hata baadhi ya watendaji katika chama hicho ambao pia hukutana na wananchi kama watendaji serikalini.

    Hayo yameelezwa na wananchi waliozungumza na gazeti hili kufuatia kauli ya Rais Benjamin Mkapa aliyedai kwamba wapo mbumbumbu wa demokrasia.

    Wakiyafafanua maelezo yao hayo, wananchi hao wamesema, kwa mfano, Mwenyekiti wa chama tawala anapotumia kofia yake ya Urais kushinikiza nguvu za dola kuzuia mikutano ya vyama vingine (pinzani) vya siasa husaidia kuwapotosha zaidi wale mbumbumbu wa demokrasia wanaodhani kuwa bado tupo kwenye mfumo wa chama kimoja.

    Wamesema pia kwamba kuwepo kwa "demokrasia mbumbumbu" kumechangiwa kwa kiasi kikubwa na wale wanaodhani kuwa kununua kura, kuwahonga wapiga kura, kuiba kura, kutumia vitisho na hata nguvu za dola kupora kura na kukandamiza upinzani ni sehemu ya demokrasia.

    Pia wameeleza kwamba wapo miongoni mwa mambumbumbu hao wa demokrasia walijiumbua wakati wa kampeni pale walipopanda kwenye majukwaa "wasijue cha kuzungumza ila kuanza kutumia maneno machafu dhidi ya wake za baadhi ya wagombea ambao hotuba zao zilijaa hoja nzito ambazo mambumbu walishindwa kuzijibu."

    "Mambumbumbu wengi pia wamo ndani ya chama tawala. Hawa demokrasia yao ni 'demokrasia mbumbumbu' pia. Kwao mwananchi akijiunga na chama cha upinzani hustahili hata kunyimwa haki zake za msingi za kibinadamu na zile za kiraia. Baadhi ( ya mambumbumbu hao) hudhani kuwa ni halali hata kutumia nguvu za dola kumbughudhi na hata kumtesa mtu na familia yake kwa kumnyima ajira na njia yoyote ya kujitafutia riziki kuwa japo kwa biashara ya genge la nyanya. Ndio maana imekuwa kawaida ya wengi kuwaalika baadhi ya viongozi wa chama tawala kuwasimikia 'vijiwe' na bendera za mashina ili wapate uhalali wa kufungua magenge ya kujipatia riziki", alieleza Mwalimu Shaaban Hadidu.

    Mwalimu Hadidu aliongeza kwamba baadhi ya mambumbumbu hao huwa hawaoni haya wala vibaya kuwaambia wananchi tundika bendera usalimike.

    Wakizidi kuchambua kina cha umbumbumbu uliopo wananchi hao wamedai wapo pia mambumbumbu waliona sawa tu kutukana dini za baadhi ya wananchi kuwa ni wenye kuhongwa tena ndani ya majumba yao ya Ibada, na wengine wakadiriki hata kuwakodi watu waliojiita "masheikh" ili wapande majukwaa kukashifa dini za watu wanaoonekana kutokipenda chama cha mambumbumbu hao.

    Wananchi hai pia walielezea kuwepo kwa umbumbumbu demokrasia upande wa upinzani pia. Wamesema mambumbumbu katika upande huo hudhani demokrasia maana yake kujipendekeza chama tawala ili "wasalimike, " na Msajili wa Vyama asije akataka kuhakiki vyama vyao kama bado vina wanachama, vinafanya mkutano wake kwa mujibu wa katiba na vinafanya uchaguzi wa kidemokrasia wa viongozi wake tangu viundwe miaka 8 iliyopita. "Miongoni mwao hawa wapo pia viongozi wa vyama ambao hawaishi kujipendekeza kwao huko, hufikia hata baadhi yao kutumiwa kama mapandikizi dhidi ya kambi ya upinzani, wanahribu vyama vyetu na sasa wanatufanya wote tuonekane hatuna maana" alilalamika Bw. Furaha Msonga.

    Aidha, wananchi hao wamesema lipo pia swala la umoja wa kitaifa ambapo wametahadharisha .vyama vingi visiwe sababu ya kuvunja utaifa.

    Hata hivyo wameongeza kutoa tahadhari kwamba watanzania waasitegemee kujenga utaifa huo huku baadhi ya viongozi kwenye chama tawala hawaishi kuwakashifu na kuwakejeli baadhi ya viongozi na wananchama wa vyama vya upinzani.

    Wakitolea mfano wa jinsi viongozi wa chama tawla wanavyoweza kufanya kazi na wale wa upinzani kwa msalahi ya taifa, wananchi hao wamemtaja Mzee Nelson Mandela wa Afrika ya Kusini ambapo wamesema watu wa chama tawala wangejifunza toka Afrika Kusini au hata Marekani.

    "Mandela alikuwa akifanyakazi na viongozi wa upinzani, na (George) Bush (wa Marekani) pia kaonesha hilo", alieleza mwanchi mmoja aliyejitambulisha kwa jina moja tu la Mgana.­.

    Waislamu watakiwa kuwa watekelezaji wa maamuzi

    * Watakiwa kwatambua wale wanaokwamisha utekelezaji ambao ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe


    Na Mwandishi Wetu

    WAISLAMU nchini wametakiwa kuyatekeleza yale yaliyoamuliwa na Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na yakafundishwa kwao na Mtume wake (S.A.W.) kama moja ya ahadi juu yao.

    Aidha wametakiwa vilevile kutekeleza na yale ambayo wao huyaamua kwa misingi ya dini yao na kisha wakaaomba dua kwa Mweneyzi Mungu (S.W.) awawafikishie.

    Akitoa wito huo, Mhadhiri wa kiislamu jijini Dar es Salaam, Ustaadh Kondo Bungo amewaambia Waislamu kwamba maamrisho ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.), mafundisho ya Mtume (S.A.W) na maamuzi wanayoyachukua Waislamu hao na kisha wakayaombea dua kwa Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W) awawafikishie yote hayo ni miongoni mwa ahadi mbele ya Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) ambazo wanayo dhima ya kuzitekeleza.

    Ustaadhi Bungo alikuwa akiongea na Waislamu katika Msikiti wa Taqwa, uliopo Mwananyamala, Dar es Salaam, baada ya Swala ya I'sha, Jumapili, Januari 7 mwaka huu.

    Akiufafanua msimamo wake huo juu ya suala hilo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema licha ya Waislamu wengi kuwa wanalijua jambo hilo bado kuna tatizo la utekelezaji wa ahadi hizo wanazozichukua na kisha aliwauliza Waislamu: "...nini kiini cha tatizo hili?".

    Akifafanua kuhusu kiini cha tatizo hilo la kutotekelezwa ahadi hizo, Ustaadh Bungo alisema kwamba ahadi nyingi zinakwamishwa na watu wa aina tatu miongoni mwa umma wa Waislamu ambao aliwataja kuwa ni vibaraka, waoga na wazembe.

    Akiwazungumzia vibaraka alisema: "mtu kibaraka ni (yule) ambaye mko naye msikitini na anapiga takbira kwa wingi lakini kesho utamkuta anajipendekeza kwa kiongozi anayewatukana Waislamu... na yeye ndio wa kwanza kupanga mstari kutoa mkono kwa kiongozi huyo (kama dalili ya salamu ya heshima)"

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliendeleza uchambuzi wake ambapo alisema ikitokea Muislamu huyo kibaraka kuwa ni Imam au kiongozi wa Taasasi ya Kiislamu, basi yeye ndio huwa wa kwanza anapokuwa na hafla kuwaalika viongozi wenye kauli chafu dhidi ya Waislamu kuwa wageni rasmi.

    Alilitaja kundi la pili kuwa ni Waislamu waoga ambao alisema hao nao ni tatizo. Alisema Waislamu walio katika kundi hilo, kutokana na woga wao, husahau kumhofu Mwenyezi Mungu (S.W.) na badala yake wakawahofu wanandamu wenzo kutokana na madaraka walionayo na vitisho vyao.

    Ustaadhi Bungo aliwatamnabaisha Waislamu kwamba ikitokea mtu huyo mwoga kuwa Imam, sheikh au amir, basi anapotoa hotuba zake huwa anayumbayumba katika mada.

    "Siku zote huwa hawasemi kweli watu hawa na wala hawafundishi yanayostahiki kuwa haki... kwa mfano badala ya kufundisha kuindoa dhuluma wao hufundisha kuikwepa", alieleza Ustaadh Bungo.

    Akifafanua hoja yake hiyo alisema ikitokea 'grosari' imejengwa mbele ya msikiti, basi imamu au sheikh huyo mwoga hubadili njia badala ya kuwataka waumini "wakaiondoe grosari hiyo", na kisha akauliza: "je katika njia hiyo nyingine pakijengwa baa imam huyo na waumini watapita wapi?"

    Akilitaja kundi la tatu Ustaadh Bungo alisema watu wake ni wazembe na akadai kwamba hao ni hatari zaidi.

    Alisema wakati wale waoga hutoa visingizio vya "eti wanatumia hekima", waumini wazembe hudai "eti wanasubiri amiri wao aseme!"

    Ustaadh Bungo ameeleza kuwa katika Uislamu, suala la kupambana na maovu kwa misingi ya dini hiyo ni amri, na kwamba amri yoyote ni ibada.

    Akitolea mfano alisema: "Kuswali ni ibada na pindi wakti (wakati) unapotimu waumini huinuka wakaswali pasi na kumsubiri amir", na kisha akahoji, "sasa iweje suala la kuondoa maovu wasubiri kauli ya amir?"

    Amesema, muda wa swala ukifika, waumini, wakiwemo wazembe hao, huinuka kwenda kuswali na wala hawasikiki wakitoa visingizio vyao vya kumsubiri amir, na aashangaa iweje katikia ibada zingine waumini wadai kumsubiri amir.

    Ustaadh Bungo aliwataka waumini kuwatambua watu hao watatu wanaokwamisha utekelezaji wa ahadi wanazozichukua Waislamu ili wapate kuwaelimisha na pale inaposhindikana kuelimishwa basi wawaepuke kwa vile alisema watu hao ni kikwazo katika maendeleo ya jamii ya Waislamu.

    Aizungumzia umuhimu wa kuwaelimisha, ustaadh huyo aliwakumbusha waumini msiktini hapo kisa cha Nabii Musa (A.S) aliyekimbilia Madiyan baada ya kukabiliwa na tuhuma ya kupiga mtu hadi kufa katika utawala wa Firauni.

    Lakini wakati Musa akiwa Madiyan, Ustaadh Bungo alisema Mwenyezi Mungu alimwambia Musa (A.S) aende kwa Furauni "akamlinganie" aache kiburi chake cha kujidai yeye Mungu, kufanya dhuluma, mauaji ya raia na ukandamizaji uliokithiri.

    Alisema, Musa (A.S), ambaye awali aliukimbia utawala wa Firauni kwa hofu ya tuhuma zilizokuwa zikimkabili, alilazimika kuishinda nafsi yake iliyokuwa ikimuhofu Firauni ambaye alikuwa ni kiumbe na mwanadamu kama yeye Musa (A.S).

    "Musa (A.S) akaacha mara moja kumhofu Firauni na badala yake akazidisha kumhofu Allah (S.W) (hivyo) akaamua kwenda kumkabili Firauni licha ya maguvu yake ya dola na wapambe wake wachawi na washirikina", alifafanua Ustaadh Bungo.

    Alisema Musa (A.S) aifani

    Mbumbumbu wa demokrasia waliomo katika chama tawala ni hatari zaidi

    * Wadai pia demokrasia mbumbumbu


    Na Mwandishi Wetu


    IMEELEZWA kuwa makuzi hafifu ya demokrasia nchini ya mechangiwa na k

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    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...


    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    This all boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive. She lies about her location, the condition of her bags, her "Italian" leather worker, Tony, on and on. She was confronted about this stuff and other unethical practices on TPF and EBay. ALL these pages are her response. This is how big her jealousy gets.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear. She'll end up booted off of effenhaute next.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

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  • So
    sophie123456789 Oct 27, 2018
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    @Mister Man Congratulations, you mastered the art of copy and paste, I bet it took both your brain cells

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  • takedowncounterfeitsellers Jul 23, 2010
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    Why clog this with all that feedback?
    Just post the link

    1 Votes
  • Mi
    Mister Man Jul 22, 2010
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    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...
    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    All boils down to one word- jealousy.

    Most of this is spurred by one woman, Jerri Pope, known as Purseservere @ Bonanzl- she can't get along. She was removed from these forums when she couldn't play well with others and now she's vindictive.

    There are other people who write some of this sometimes but she was and is the driving force. and it's pointless to talk with her. she can't have conversations. Read through these pages and it's pretty clear.

    So in the end we say move on, nothing to see here...

    0 Votes
  • Go
    going to hell in a handbag Jul 09, 2010

    Only buy from the boutiques or from a reputable reseller and we know who they are...period.

    2 Votes
  • Ju
    JustMyOpinion Jun 16, 2010

    For anyone who no longer wishes to associate w/ TPF, there is a new forum started by some former PFers

    www.effenhaute.com

    1 Votes
  • No
    Notgoing4it May 06, 2010
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    lol! Lori needs to start paying all of her judgements off in King County! Quit buying designer bags and pay your bills !

    -3 Votes
  • No
    Notgoing4it May 05, 2010
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    what a pity...looks like long time members of the ebay purse board are getting NARU

    I'm*back*in*the*saddle*again - NO LONGER A REGISTERED USER

    My, my, wonder who's next??

    0 Votes
  • Ma
    maddy53 May 01, 2010

    Check out this pathetic thread on the purse forum. Makes all modern women cringe.

    http://forum.purseblog.com/balenciaga/i-hide-you-hide-we-all-hide-our-583833.html

    -1 Votes
  • Fl
    f-lyincoach Mar 30, 2010

    You CAD, I"M the only one she listens to! Flyin, bring your shell-like ear close to my tongue so that I can taste the ear wax that I love so much. Is that a special flavor you wear just for me, my angel?

    BLAST it woman, you drive me MAD with desire! Must... control... myself... must... control...

    -1 Votes
  • Xy
    xyz Mar 30, 2010

    Well, that's funny, I just clcked on your id, and it shows you just signed up on March 1rst. The original flyincoach signed in over two months ago. BUSTED! LIAR! This is exactly why you'll never win. YOU'RE TOO STUPID AND OBVIOUS.

    All you have to do, is click onto the id's to view profile and dates, dumb ###...

    0 Votes
  • Ni
    Nieners Mar 09, 2010

    And before you go saying I spend all my ''daddy's'' money. He's dead. And my mother doesn't give buying my shoes a thought - which I higly appreciate because I wouldn't do so for my own kids either.

    -1 Votes
  • Ni
    Nieners Mar 09, 2010

    Moneyking, here's something to think about:
    I am 20 years old.
    I am not married.
    I am not a housewife.
    I do not buy a pair of Louboutins every week, every month or heck - even every year.

    But I DO make my own money. And if I would hire a clown or buy $600 shoes for it, is MY problem. Not yours.
    And hey, it's 2010. It does excist: a woman that makes her own money and is independent. Wakey wakey..

    -2 Votes
  • Xy
    xyz Feb 28, 2010

    PURSEFORUM4EVER,

    I have bought several beautiful AUTHENTIC Coach bags from flyincoach. So have my mother and sisters. If you can't see that her bags are the real thing, then you don't know squat. Also, NONE of her listings have been pulled and her feedback is flawless. She is one of the top rated Coach bag sellers on ebay, and is just one, of many sellers, that the forum is trying to out, to eliminate the competition. I hope she sues the pants off of them for all of their lying and false accusations. I will be happy to testify for her, and have contacted her and told her so. Many others have as well. So flag away, ( whatever that is) it isn't doing anything.Thanks for the additional proof.

    -1 Votes
  • Pu
    purseforum4ever Feb 19, 2010

    purse forum is the best!! and i loved calling ebay to flag your listings

    0 Votes
  • Li
    lightingtheworld Feb 16, 2010

    Purse forum sucks. I bet Meg is fat and ugly.

    0 Votes
  • Th
    the REAL flyincoach Feb 04, 2010

    Sickof idiots2010...


    You don't have a CLUE! Your just another sheep, following the heard. You don't even know who you're talking to, and you are making accusations. The people here have BEEN RIPPED OFF by the forums . I think that I am the only seller posting here. I have been falsely accused of everything under the sun, and you know WHY??? Because I am the competition.
    Have you bothered to look at my listings? If you call that fake, you wouldn't know the real thing if it jumped up and bit you in the ###! So SCREW you and your LIES.
    Go back to being the brainwashed follower that you are. I hope you have a closet full of their fakes. It would serve you right for being so blind. Frankly, I think YOU must be one of THEM.
    There are alot of people involved in this now. It is getting alot of attention. Some of the posters here are more important and involved than you know. Do you really think we're going to reveal all of our proof on the internet?? LOL! Get real. It will all come out in the wash.

    -4 Votes
  • Si
    SickOf Scammers2010 Feb 02, 2010

    To all of the scammers bad mouthing The Purse Forum because the experts there know about all of the sellers on eBay and other auction sites and counterfeit selling websites professing to sell authentic bags, who are selling the "Super Fakes", by signing up to post on this thread with different posting IDs, trying to discredit the Purse Forum so you can continue scamming buyers and getting away selling your mirror fakes using eBay and the internet... you guys are truly a joke and are utterly pathetic .

    Everyone isn't a fool and ignorant the way you think they are. The main people here or posters bad mouthing the Purse Forum are the main scammers who have been caught or put off eBay for constantly and continually selling their fakes as authentic, so they come here to a complaint forum, to hide behind their computer with the intention of trying to play people for fools, by trying to bad mouth The Purse Forum, all because they've been caught on to and are known scammers on eBay.

    We all know about the Super Fakes you guys purchase from out of China and we all know about the websites who sell them. Keep dreaming and trying to bad mouth The Purse Forum. Don't be angry because others know you've been scamming buyers on eBay continually selling your fake designer bags, fake designer shoes, and clothing as authentic.

    You may get away fooling certain people some of the time, but not fooling all of the people, all of the time.

    4 Votes
  • So
    sophie123456789 Oct 27, 2018
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    @SickOf Scammers2010 Which experts? The ones that sit on their lazy butts all day and couldn't afford a purse but feel qualified to authenticate? Seriously?

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  • Th
    the REAL flyincoach Jan 26, 2010

    What a shame! The nasty threads they put on the ebay purse board, have been removed. Dang! Hope my sales don't go down. I was getting so many emails. They were all so nice. i had a couple of them remark about how obvious they all are, and how very nice my site is. Others were just making me aware. Some said my listings were fantastic and even are bidding! Oh, well...I'm sure i'll do fine without their help.

    -2 Votes
  • PURSESNATCHER Jan 26, 2010

    brightalberta: I read that thread (and her guide) and never saw anything that said she has seen all of the fake serial numbers. She said she has run across some of the serial numbers personally. She also never claimed to be an expert. She researched and found some information that she thought would be helpful to her customers. Isn't that what a good and honest seller would do?

    I have had the pleasure of several business dealings with flyincoach. She is a top-rated seller with 100% positive feedback and has always been courteous and professional in our contacts. Do you and the other minions from the ebay purse forum realize that the more you harass and bad-mouth her the higher her sales are? You are giving her plenty of free advertisement. Way to go!

    Believe me...outside of your little clique, you "ladies" are not well respected. A vast majority of the ebay members that have read your threads know that happy, well-adjusted people do not go out of their way to attack others for the sheer pleasure of it.

    -4 Votes
  • Fl
    Flyincoach Shill Bids Jan 26, 2010

    Hmmm, looks to an outsider that everyone that posts on that board told the person who is posting with 5 IDs to stop it - and then someone (flyinnut would be a good guess) started reporting all the posts about that. Hmmmm, insane much?

    Coach and Judge you two need to get some mental help. You're posting on a website complaining about others. You need to get out, get perspective.

    and Coach - you need to quit shill bidding on your own auctions. It's not only against Ebay rules, it's against the law. Jerri you and Tony don't have a pot to piss in, but it's still nice being free right? It'd suck to have someone turn you in for shill bidding and committing crimes. It IS being reported to Ebay. Count on it. BTW, did you know that publishing someone's name on an off Ebay board gets your account shut down? Judge why do you feel the need to continually post someone's name here? Jerri you condone that too.

    Your hypocrisy is really amusing. In a sad sort of way. I hope neither of you have children. It'd be awful to know that you both passed your mental illness on to some innocent children.

    And Jerri you ran a laundry mat and a store while blind? Quite a feat. Let me guess, you were also Mayor and the police chief? LMAO! What was Tony? Dog catcher?

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