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Met this group, while they were on tour to our church. we were impressed wtih their evening performance, and felt that this place would be a place where our daughter could find rest, and comfort and a place to get away from it all after a severe accident left her with some serious physical complications...
it was not what we had expected, nor was it what we were promised.We were told of mending broken relationships, academically getting on track and counseling...
punishment started right away, for things that were not understood, red shirt, punishment, left my daughter with many physical problems, untreated medical condition, UTI that was untreated, afer I spoke about her needing to get medical attention, they said they would, and did nothing.
blood in her urine, blood in her bowels, hives all over her body.
Our letters were kept from her, her letters to us were never sent, she was not allowed to speak to us freely on the phone, but every word was to be judged, and she was expected to speak to us in monotone, so as not to communicate anything other than what was allowed. She was on punishment, and red shirt discipline throughout her stay, and has foot, knee, hip inflamation from the constant standing on the wall with her hands behind her back, both feet flat on the floor.
she wakes up nightly with nightmares, of being taken back to New beginnings Girls academy.
Bill macnamera has a very bad temper, in which he did lose all self control with me, while I was asking him questions about educational neglect for my daughter. We were told that she would start counseling, up to two days a week, right away...after two months, she recieved one processing counseling interview...when I asked about the counseling and the lack of education, Bill Macnamers became angry with my questioning his authority, telling me that he did not have to listen to this, and slammed the phone down...a man with a lack of control, exploding on the phone in a temper tantrum fashion, is also in charge of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and 30 little girls who needed a safe place to be, and protection...very concerning...
we called to ask our daughter if she were ready to come home, a nd she had already been in Bill Macnamera's office earlier, and agreed under duress, to stay 6 more months...at which time she told me on the phone she could not come ahome, and it was not perfect at New Beginnings, but she could not come home...now she wanted to stay another 6 months...during my conversation, she was told she had 3 minutes to get off the phone for a counseling session...so they could than tell her why she needed to stay there...
The world is sin, your family is in the world, if you leave NBGH you will going back into the world, your family is in the world, the world is in sin...
They are not allowed to know the day of the week or the date of the month, and must learn to tell time backwards...no speaking of family you miss, or anything that is reminders of home, family, affection, caring loving people in your life outside of New Beginnings.
You get punished for making eye contact with any other girl, no matter what..no speaking at any time..you must raise your hand and be silent until you are called, if you are called.
Bathroom is punishment: with 5 sheets of toilet paper, or 7 depending on your need...open stalls for shower and bathroom...strip search, solitary confinement writing sentences for up to 4 hrs. a time..
When I went to rescue my daughter from this place, I was met by the counselor who told me to come into the office, we needed to talk...told me to sit down, I refused, he than got himself a chair, so we could sit and talk before I could see my daughter...he than told me that it was a dangerous idea to take my daughter home, It was not safe, she did not want to go home, and she made it very clear, told them many times she did not want to come home, she wanted to stay,
She was severely punished after I was hung up on with more discipline...she would than say anything that would make them happy hoping they would lighten up on the severe punishment...it didnt help...
she was severely distraught, terrified, freightened, full of shame, fear, intimidation, and terror...the look inher eyes the moment I saw her was one that I had never seen in her eyes before...it was the same look I have seen on a dog, lost on the side of a highway, trying to avoid traffic, sticks and stones, wet dripping with freezing rain, terrified for its very life, shivering, full of fear, begging for help...it shocked me and paralyzed me to see my daughter sickly pale, ghostly white, bug eyed, trembling, shivering, fulll of fear in her eyes...fear and intimidation not knowing why she was now in the Office...she looked at me, and said, Mom is that you...she than began crying saying, O God, O my God, Mom, is that really you, O my God mom you came...I ran to her, picked up her trembling body, and she melted in my arms, so I picked up her weak body, and felt how weak her hug on me was...she was trembling in my arms, and I whispered...do you want to go to Braums with me...will you go to lunch with me...I knew if I could remind her of a happy childhood memory, she would answer me freely before she remembered what she was supposed to say...she said, food, o God yes...she was in shock, and was trembling as we turned to walk out...she was than ordered to take off her red shirt and return it...big red T shirt to degrade as punishment, humiliate, and abuse mentally and emotionally...she had nothing else on with the T-shirt in Missouri snow storm, boots, thin black summer skirt...when I got there, they had her hurriedly put on a purple sweatshirt...she was confused, but never knew anything about me traveling to get her...she was in total shock and surprise...she was convinced that whe was not allowed to ever coem home again, she was not loved, not wanted, and at the same time, /Bill Macnamera told my husband to just let her go, give her away...let her go...they got tiered of all of our phone calls asking questions...
later on she was able to open up, telling me that she never would have went home with me if Bill macnamera was in town there..He was on vacation with his daughter and son-in-law who are his assistant directors...family run business...he would have let her know what the right response was...she would have done exactly what he told her to do...she was fulll of fear, intimidation, she was terrified of what would happen to her if she said the wrong thing...shw would have told me she was not going home.
I must confess that I am not one with free time on my hands to write openly, but this trauma is not half described due to time restraints...I am a mother of great love devotion, and concern for my daughter, and other daughters across America...Mothers who think thye are doing the right thing, finding out after it is too late, that we made the worst possible mistake of our lives...allowing total strangers, to have dominant control over the lives of a child that we have invested so many years, to a person that we knw so very little about.
I am reaching out to Moms everywhere, no matter how desperate you are to find help for your daughters, do not give up, do not give in, and do not send them to a place with your eyes closed, and imagine it is a good thing...if your heart is aching and grievingf, and warning you...listen to those cautions, it is real life screams in the dark...she was very exhausted and walked painfully...when I stoped for the night she was barely able to walk with terrible muscle cramps, and joint pain from the constant standing ont he wall, 7 days a week, *8- hrs. a day, and 500 jumping jacks each evening you are on punishment...she was in terrible pain, and groaned each time I held her, she was having muscle spasms throughout the night, with nightmares of being taken back to NBGH.
She now has anxiety attacks throughout the day, gag reflex from being force fed large amounts of food, and punished if you dont eat it all, or throw it up...punish is by demerits, and the girls who have grown up in the system and arrived at the age of 18, than become the new guards, to give punishment demerits without question...
the prisoner becomes the guard, so the abuse of the bully system continues, and the fear factor of this is evident in the lives of the girls that are full of fear to look anyone in the eye again...
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Highly educated individuals, with multiple degrees and/or doctorates? I have some as well, I don't feel the need to brag about it, as that is NOT the subject we are discussing here.
The subject of this COMPLAINT board is NBGA. And the abuse that happened to the ladies posting here. They are trying to give their opinions, as to what they went through while at NBGA. They are warning parents about what happens to children at NBGA. They are the ones who experienced it. The original post is from a parent, who was deceived, and has to pick up the pieces of the damage that was done to her child.
I could go in to the deceptive marketing, and fraud that NBGA is guilty of, but that is something that can easily be viewed at the HEAL site.
The McNameras were originally residents in a couple of Roloffs homes. After 'graduating' the programs, they were taken under the wing of another man. Named Wylie Cameron. Wylies wife Faye, was FOREVER banned from working with children at any of the homes. http://www.caller.com/news/2000/apr/28/state-forever-bans-roloff-home-leaders-wife-working/. So they took a couple of former addicts, and placed them in charge of teen-aged girls?
If any of you have doubts that this is a recipe for disaster, you are the ones that are in need of some mental health assistance.
While this is an open forum, for everyone to voice their own experiences, it clearly states above that it is for COMPLAINTS against NBGA. I don't see how this isn't clear to those of you who disagree? While you have your right to disagree. Name calling, accusations of these women needing mental help, calling them liars, and acting as if only your opinion matters. Will never stop them from voicing their experiences. It only gives them more drive to keep on going! I support their efforts 100%, and will stand beside them in helping to get NBGA (and other places just like it) shut down.
THE TOADSTOLL HAS BROKEN LOOSE, AND HEADING FOR MY3CENTS VILLE! LOOK OUT!
For those of you who apparently DO NOT understand. NBGA is an Independent Fundamental Baptist home/program. Therefore, they use the phrase from the constitution, in regards to the seperation of church and state, as thier claim to NOT being investigated by the state. They claim the the seperation between church and state gives them the right to complete privacy. (No state interference) This is NOT what the constitution is refering to, they just use it that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state
This does NOT give any 'religious' person the right to abuse CHILDREN! They simply use it as a guise, a cover-up, an excuse, as well as a type of sickening power play, on innocent CHILDREN.
Lots of people have to understand that the McNamaras are aware of what us survivors are up to. NBGA is a lot less abusive than it used to be. I was in the home from 2004 to 2008. Within those four years the home lightened up a lot, because they knew survivors were finally getting together to make a difference. The McNamaras have been watching their backs for a long time now. I'm not saying that NBGA isn't abusive anymore, but the girls are probably being treated a little better now because the Macs know everyone is waiting for them to really mess up so we can shut them down for good. So great work girls! Our words are not only helping to put a stop to this madness, but I'm sure our words are helping the poor girls attending NBGA now have a less painful experience.
It's too bad that icu2 doesn't practice what she preaches.
My first attempt at posting didn't work, so hopefully there won't be a duplicate post from me in a few minutes, but just in case I'm posting again.
In response to the above:
...people have.
...people do.
Read the articles associated with this topic and it will make more sense. Do ten minutes of research on the "troubled-teen industry" and it will all make sense. The problem with New Beginnings is just a small piece of a much bigger problem: residential care facilities in the United States which can skirt around the law, investigation, regulation, and oversight. There have been thousands of similar cases, hundreds of homes and hundreds of survivor group and advocacy group activists getting things done. They have reached out to officials, the media, advocacy groups, legal representatives, government representatives. These processes can be slow when it comes to changing things on a large enough scale to ensure that real, permanent, solid reform happens. It's a huge problem. There are major groups like SIA, HEAL, and CAFETY (the actual organized group of NBGA survivors works with all three, in addition to several activist groups) leading organized and peaceful protests, holding public awareness conferences, and collecting data and submitting it to the Government Accountability Office. Based on the public outcry and the statistical analysis of the human rights violations which occur within these homes - running amok and lining their pockets with all the money desperate families can give - bills have been introduced. Blatant problems in the US which the government takes time to do anything about... unheard of?
Here is some information for you in regards to NBGA:
You will find all of the documents, articles and complaints against NBGA at the site listed below.
http://www.heal-online.org/newbeg.htm
At the link listed below, you can see literaly thousands of pages of confirmedly abusive childrens homes/programs. For those of you who think these girls are lying, shame on you! They were CHILDREN and they had no choice! There was no one to listen to them, as their voices were taken away from them the second they arrived at NBGA. They aren't disgruntled adults, they are now grown women, with careers, with children, and now they have that voice that was taken away from them during thier time at this horrific place. They weren't in the military, or in state custody. They were in the middle of nowhere, with a man who has NO training in this type of field. He has no degree for counseling, no license to have this 'home' open, and not an ounce of compassion for the needs of a group of young teenaged girls. He makes his own rules, doles out unfair punishments, and brainwashes these CHILDREN (by force and fear) into believing in his 'God'. Unless you were there you just dont understand. Stop and listen, imagine if it was you who had to suffer and survive this horrendous abuse, as a young CHILD...
http://www.heal-online.org/
A CHILDHOOD MEMORY, SHOULD NOT BE SURVIVAL...
Try to make that more clear - had to fix some things.
Posted for my friend and fellow NBGA survivor, Katy:
Do you think that we just sit around and make up stories of abuse for fun and to fight this all-mighty God you speak of? That would be quite the social experiment, don't ya think girls?! Ha! I for one know that every individual experience is different, so the fact that you completely discredit the majority of our experiences is ignorant. I am happy for you that you were able to gain a loving relationship with a higher power and through that continue to have spiritual experiences, but some of us did not. It is comforting to know that someone came out of the home feeling better, but I can tell you with certainty that that was not the case for me. I was abused. I was abused emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually. I left that home with abandonment issues, emotional issues, and a very unclear perspective as to what I believed in spiritually. I have since appreciated my experience after years of psychotherapy, after realizing that much can be gained through pain and suffering. I have gained a lot of perspective about what I believe in now when it comes to rigid religion and its parallels it has with cults. People start off with good intentions I'm sure, but without a clear vision or guidelines of what they should be doing to help young teenage girls things can start to get messy, and frankly they got REALLY messy. Like I said previously, Im glad that you had a spiritual awakening, but most of us did not. So if you would please think with compassion and empathy like your savior Jesus would, and try to not judge others for their pain and discredit them. You simply look like an ignorant fool when you do that. Jesus and God would have been outraged and horrified by the things I experience in their name.
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Posted for my friend and fellow NBGA survivor, Katy:
do you think that we just sit around and make up stories of abuse for fun and to fight this "all-mighty God" you speak of? That would be quite the social experiment, don't ya think girls?! Ha! I for one know that every individual experience is different, so the fact that you completely discredit the majority of our experiences is ignorant. I am happy for you that you were able to gain a loving relationship with a higher power and through that continue to have spiritual experiences, but some of us did not. It is comforting to know that someone came out of the home feeling better, but I can tell you with certainty that that was not the case for me. I was abused. I was abused emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually. I left that home with abandonment issues, emotional issues, and a very unclear perspective as to what I believed in spiritually. I have since appreciated my experience after years of psychotherapy, after realizing that much can be gained through pain and suffering. I have gained a lot of perspective about what I believe in now when it comes to rigid religion and its parallels it has with cults. People start off with good intentions I'm sure, but without a clear vision or guidelines of what they should be doing to help young teenage girls things can start to get messy, and frankly they got REALLY messy. Like I said previously, I'm glad that you had a spiritual awakening, but most of us did not. So if you would please think with compassion and empathy like your savior Jesus would, and try to not judge others for their pain and discredit them. You simply look like an ignorant fool when you do that. Jesus and God would have been outraged and horrified by the things I experience in their name.
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And as I stated previously it would take DAYS literally weeks to name off all the horrible stuff that has happened to girls at NBGA, you people have no right to tell us we don't know what abuse is when we all experienced it first hand. Some people have SEVERE mental health issues from being in this place. Some were beaten with 2x4s, mini blind rods, and paddles, force fed, held in stress positions for hours on end, sat on by other girls for hours, plus so much more...you wanna tell me this isn't abuse?
Yeeeeeah this Sadie character seems like they might work there, whoever you are...maybe Sarah Mac? I'm not pointing fingers I just think its funny you say "freedom of religion" Because I know when I was there the Jewish girls didn't get to celebrate their holidays, the Chinese didn't get to ring in the Chinese New Year, and you weren't allowed to be any other religion. ... nope all Christian holidays were celebrated and we were told that we were going to Hell if we didn't conform to their beliefs...How in the heck is that freedom of religion Sadie? Could you please explain that to me? AND they never force you to do anything?...I mean seriously ?. Thats why if you didn't eat all your food you got in major trouble? If you didn't have your clothes, hair, appearance wasn't perfect to the T also, in big trouble, among a MILLION other things I could mention...New Beginnings is joke and they are not helping teenagers, they are greedy con-artists who will take your money and abuse your child, maybe not physically, or maybe so. But definitely mentally. There is no freedom there, you have to do EVERYTHING way or you will majorly suffer..Sicking girls on other girls who don't do what they want them to do..its awful...seriously DON'T SEND YOUR CHILD TO NEW BEGINNINGS. Our group of survivors will not shut up until this facility is SHUT DOWN.
Yup Sadie is a fake, just checked.
You are getting just as much attention as I am getting on here so I highly doubt that.
Why would we lie about any of this? That would be a waste of time. And we aren't comparing to anything being worse this place. We know there are alot worse of places out there. We are just trying to stop this place. And to the 2nd person above me, I've never heard of you before, it wouldn't surprise me if you are one of the owners of this place. So ya. Nice try with all your biblical talk.
Sadie McConathy
All I have to say is all you have seen or heard is a huge lie . I myself attended New Beginnings for a year and a half. I can honestly say that it was the best time of my life. The Macs are wonderful people who only want the best for you and your daughters' life .
They do instill Biblical priciples in everything they do. There is nothing wrong with that . It is still a free country and we still have freedom of religion. They never force you to do anything, it is a choice!They only tell you about a loving God who died to take away your sin and your past. That is the best thing anybody can ever do for a person.They tell you because they love you and do not want to see you go to hell. The thing is that you all are not bitter or upset with the Macs or New Beginnings . You are bitter with God.I would take a look at who you are battling with because you can't win when you oppose an almighty
God.He is in control whether you like it or not.I have learned that the hard way. I'll tell you things are so much easier when God is your closest companion. That is what I gained at New Beginnings .A friend who I took with me and who will always be with me. A friend who helped me to conquer the past and who is leading me to a brighter future.If you attended New Beginnings you have the same opportunities as I do. You can either choose the old or the new, God or yourself. You make that choice.God has been good to me by sending me to New Beginnings. Any mom or dad who is reading this, I would encourage you to send your daughter . I assure you it is a wonderful opportunity for your daughter to turn her life around. And anyone who has been to New Beginnings please help me to shed the truth about what really goes on. I love New Beginnings!
We have and still are fighting to have this place shut down. We are turning to legal cases too. Any one who thinks this is a good place and hasn't experienced it, I don't really know what to tell you besides nbga has made me turn to meds for depression and anxiety and has made me anti religious.
This is not a state regulated home and they have a way of getting around things. I could be here for days telling you of all the horrible abuse that NBGA has caused hundreds if not more teenagers but unfortunately I don't have that kind of time, that is the reason I posted our blogspot site, those are first hand survivor accounts of what life at NBGA is like. The parents do sign agreements but thats not know exactly what will be done, they lie to the parents. The phone calls & mail are monitored so if something is wrong you can't tell your parents because they will cut the phone call and just tell your parents you haven't gotten the help you need and are lying, thats how alot of people end up stuck there for years! Luckily I only spent one year in this hell hole and that was enough for me, I know people who were there 5+ years. And about the attorney, several of us have talked with them and done research but you have to be under 18 when filing the report and it can't be more than two years after you leave, some people suffer from stockholm syndrome (you might want to look that up) or block out what happened while there and then later on when they realize what happened and want to do something about it, its too late. That's where the brain washing tactics come into play. Its hard to explain everything here, Its all is super complicated and there is SO much to it... Honestly we don't want any more children to go through what we did. Some of us have medical disorders from being there and such...That's why we are doing this.
Unfortunately this story is not "new." I attended this school back when it was still Rebekah Home for Girls in 1986. At the time the school had been forced out of Texas (ie Texas said that it would be subject to oversight, which the school leaders were unwilling to comply with) and was located in Missouri. I can tell many horror stories, but I won't bother because those who love the way that Rebekah/NBGA is run will not accept them to be true. So I'll simply mention this fact: during my "era" the girls were housed on the 3rd floor, with windows with child locks that only allowed them to open approximately 3 inches, and the fire escape doors were chained and padlocked shut at night. If there had been a fire there would have been no way for the students to evacuate.
Schools of this nature miss the entire point of Jesus. He showed LOVE to the outcasts, the sinners, the tax collectors, the prostitutes. He was a Friend to these people when everyone else would turn their back. For those who were dragged down by life, who made bad choices, He was not punitive. He offered forgiveness. Those He was harsh towards were not those who had gone astray. Instead, He saved His just anger for the hypocrites. He drove the moneylenders from the temple because they were making a mockery of Him. He challenged the Pharisees to learn how to sacrifice their wants for others' needs.
Whatever we do to the least, we do to Christ. Places like NBGA do not demonstrate Jesus, they teach fear and self-loathing. Rather than teaching that we are free, in Christ, they teach young people that they must hate themselves and be afraid of stepping out of line in fear of eternal damnation.
Not a problem at all! Here are the links:
ABC News article by Susan Donelson James: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/independent-fundamental-baptist-discipline-call-tough-love-abuse/story?id=13310172#.Tt6BMFbdLms
Mother Jones article: http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/new-bethany-ifb-teen-homes-abuse
Our blog:stopnbga.blogspot.com
Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/NBGAsurvivors/
We are a legit group who have several people helping us, and we also post around the internet to help spread awareness hoping prospective parents who might want to send their child there will find it and not send them! That is all! Hope the links are helpful and will clear up any misunderstandings you may have about us. :)
I have been to NBGA and came back last year. There was NO abuse there at all and any body who says so is a liar and I pray for you if you are that bitter you have to make rubbish up like that. All the Macs ever did was love us girls. The staff loved all of us. Many girls who leave and try and make trouble is because they need the Lord Jesus Christ in your heart and have seious mental issues. it is a home for troubled girls after all.. Please remember you will be held resposible by God for stopping other people from getting saved and there blood will be on your hands. The home has helped me and if you are a parent and your teen is troubled SEND them too NBGA because the Lord will really change your child. Please dont listen to these lies. Remember All things work together for good to them that love God who are called accroding to his purpose. And and I want to say whoop! to all the girls who have stuck up for the home, may God bless you :)
Do you people not get that all we are trying to do is stop children from being abused? I feel like we are the ones being bullied because we called someone out on a lie. Children are being tortured here and all you people care about is nonsense that has nothing to do with it. We have been featured in national news magazines and websites, but you wouldn't know that because you didn't do your research. There is no reason for this thread to continue with nonsense when all we are trying to do is help children.
This whole post is to simply inform people about New Beginnings Girls Academy/New Beginnings Ministries. They abuse teenagers, lie to the parents of the teenagers while doing it and charge a lot of money while causing people mental and physical pain for their own sick joy and profits. Tell me this is right? We are a group of women trying to get the word out, we are not here to fight with people we don't even know and don't give a crap about our cause, YES this is a public forum and when someone straight up lies about something that we are trying to spread awareness about, we will call them out and expose them! Go ahead stay on this forum posting your BS that has nothing to do with the reason its even here, your just making yourself look stupid and like you have no life... but you will be ignored by the NBGA survivors from here on out. Plain and simple. :)
Wow. This home sounds just like the military. Its' obvious none of you have served. I have, and while training ain't no picnic, it made a "man" out of me. I agree with the above poster, if you feel you have a case, seek legal counsel, if not, seek psychiatric help.
Actually Hogwarts, what has been described here is nothing compared to children's juvenile institutions.
Oh that's right, and she agreed with your attempt to nazi strongarm that poor girl. I have no need to form a group as I am not attempting to censor and silence people on a public website by employing bullying tactics when they are not in agreement with me or have a different perspective.
Peace out everyone. I have a life to go live now.
Maybe you should make your own group since you are the one that has such a problem with it.
^ IT WAS. Hogwarts Student Zachary
OMG seriously shut up! Why do you care about what is right about being gay? Why does her sexuality bother you? So what are you IMD1 the mother of this thread? So you get to say who is out of line and who isn't. They have not pointed out it is just a public site so stop acting like all you haters are so innocent. The words queer and nazis have come out of all your mouths. AND BTW that wasn't NBGA girl that jumped on the "poor" girl. IT WAS ME. get your ### right.
I read that icu. Where i come from that;s called online bullying, which may fly on a private site, but certainly not on a public one. She sounded pretty abusive herself.
@ NGBA girl - You were way out of line in trying to censor commenting. You need to be banned. Obviously, public websites are not for you. No one has attempted to "tear apart" this thread. The commenters have only pointed out that it is a public site and you do not have the right to dictate who and how someone comments. And as far as attacks go troll, you are no innocent here. I don't see anyone telling you that you cannot comment.
@ jawalker - What is right about being gay? Of what use is homosexuality?
jwalker email messick50@gmail.com
otay seriously do u feel better about yourself because you called someone a queer? hahaha awww well bless your sweet little heart hunni =) aren't you just adorable and so mature! aha I laugh at your stupidity =) NBGA_Girl don't listen to the bs of other people and their closed minded ways =) oh and why don't you go ahead adn tell me what's so wrong about being gay hun? who knows maybe you're gay but your too much of a chicken shuff to admit it because omg what would other closed minded [censored] people like you think?! gasp heaven for friken bid someone stands outside the box and does them and doesn't fallow the crowd!
Although this is a "public" website (like 99% of the internet - for those of us who aren't as smart as captain obvious)... It is angled at a very specific demographic. Only a troll or someone very lacking in the common sense department wouldn't understand that. Stating that it's public doesn't give you free reign to tear the thread apart and start insulting and verbally attacking people that are posting stories or discussing their personal experience with something. You need to be banned and I hope the admin agrees. Everyone should ignore Icu2 and stop replying until they are banned. It may be tempting to argue but they aren't really saying anything worth replying to anyways.
Obvious troll is obvious. This was once a nice thread with good flow but then we had a visitor with nothing really realeted to the topic to say. We need admin attention in this thread. Icu2 needs to be b& for flaming multiple users. Anyone else agree. This is vote 1.
^AnnR.key
Wow you repeated exactly what I said. I'm proud of you.
OMG another ignorant person. Don't judge me based on your ignorance. I'm not gonna waste my night arguing with a bunch of losers. For those of you serious about this post, don't send your kids there. Its ran by people who act just like the fools trying to start problems here. Laters. :)
Exactly AnnR. key. (classy name by the way) This is a public website. We are posting our stories on it becuase unlike you, this thread is about people like us. People you dont know and people you will never meet. People who went through all the crazy torture. You are the one randomly deciding you want to post something on this thread acting like YOU know what you are talking about. Well you don't. No one on here does, except for the people that experience it. No one has created anything. We are all giving feed back and im sorry you don't like that. Not my problem.
ICU2.. Based on the comments you have posted on others pages, you appear to be simply out for attention any way you can get it from any page. Take your ignorant homophobic hate somewhere else. You will not continue to get attention from me or the rest of us. This blog was posted to warn others and also to share our experiences in hopes of enlightening others. If you choose to stay ignorant, I suggest that you move on to another page where maybe you will get the results you are looking for.