IVY CAPITAL review: Scam Artists 99

I work for Ivy Capital in giving each one of my students an opportunity to create a financial independent lifestyle. That being said, i very rarely have my students call me back asking for there money back, so maybe you guys should call the Business Consultant that actually signed you up for the coaching.

Ivy Capital has great customer service and i am always on my phone helping my students out. As long as you do the work the coaches ask you to do, than you will have an opportunity to create a large income, that is a fact. I have students that thank me everyday that i brought them aboard my team, Some students have buyers remorse and want to back out and we give them a 3 day window to do so, if they back out i refund them there money.

Maybe you guys should be more positive towards having a brand new business opportunity ahead of you instead of trying to put the blame on a company that produces excellent testimonials that are 100% legit.

Thanks.

For those of you interested I have contacted an Attorney, filed with the Nevada BBB, FTC and the Attorney Generals Office in my state as well as in Neveda. I am also writting a complaint on the RipOff website. I don't think this Company will want all the attention. For all of you out there that can't afford an attorney, try the AG office in your state and Neveda. Write your own complaint with the RipOff website and the BBB. The only reason I can get an attorney is because I have Paid Legal, which is great so far.
Good luck to all of you. I will say though, if all you're going to do is complain and say you're going to do this and that and don't then shame on you. Take your complaints to someone that can help you. Surf the web and you can find all kinds of information that can help you.

Yes I fell for their sales pitch too...I should have known "if it's too good to be true ~ it isn't"...their sales folks are well trained to talk so fast it's hard to understand (much less remember) what's said...

My card is maxed out because of this ~ I'm a working widow just trying to get ahead ~ if there is a law suit or class action suit against them, I want to be a part of it...I've tried repeatedly to cancel & get a refund to no avail. I was told since I didn't cancel the first 3 days, I won't get one...

The saying goes "there's no fool like an old fool" & I certainly feel like one...wish I'd passed this one up...if anybody does get a refund by any means, please let it be known so others can get some debt relief...THANKS! DP from Texas

This is Glo.
I wrote earlier in October...
All of us who have been defrauded by The Nevada Corporate Division along with Ivy Capital would need to bombard the Attorney General's Office of Nevada with the complaints that we have entered on this blog. We have got to stop these people and demand our money back. The Nevada Corporate Division has not fulfilled any obligations but they have taken our hard earned money. We've gotten nothing from them but pure 'Hell". I have filed a complaint with BBB and the Atorney General's Office.

Same exact experience as stated above. We did not quit or give up. Just could not get the support from customer care, online chat or the help line. We diligently worked on our website for hours a day, had some coaching sessions with a coach that was "okay" but certainly not concerned about us getting where we needed with the website. Called, emailed, called again and did not get any response until I said I wanted my money back - of course, they refused. Same story - it is your fault for not doing the work etc.

Even contacted Shawn Casey's organization and they just sent me back to Ivy/Vianet.

Found this company that is will help you get your money back. Had nice visit with them and they are very familiar with this company and their scam. You may want to call them.
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STAY AWAY from IVY Capial and their "team". Here is why...

I must have lost my mind on January 10th, 2009. Both my husband and myself were convinced to give up $5, 880.00 to start working with them & they would make all my dreams come true. They promised be the world and to this date (November 27th, 2009) they have treated me like crap & not only not delivered fully on their promises & I have not made 1 penny, but have treated me with great disrespect in the process.

When I purchased this product on 01/10/09 I was promised the following:
1. 6 one on one coaching session - completed
2. Online coaching videos - completed
3. 10 mentor conference calls - not fulfilled
4. Webzone Website - this was partially completed. I was made to rebuild my site 2 times "as no one could figure out what was wrong with it". During this time I was paying 2 dropshippers fees and hosting fees on a site that was not usable. Turns out there was nothing wrong with it, but rather a compatibility issue between servermc & vista & firefox...which I figured out on my own. I have also been waiting for 3 months now to have my site converted to webzone 2.0 and I'm still without the site...but paying monthly dropshippers and hosting fees on a site I can't use. I also have been PUSHED into trying to recover money via e-bay and a wordpress site. Both of these are free products to anyone...and so on and so on...
5. Web Marketing I, II and III - I was not ever show anything about these by my coach. I was told to get in touch with Brad Graves and he gave me one e-mail...
6. 12 months advisory hot line via live chat - too bad they are not available to me when I need them. (Late at night on the east coast).

And if none of this worked they would help me get my money back. Their idea of working with me is telling me to sell on e-bay and still charging me for the web-hosting fees!

This is an example of how I was treated by one of their representatives:

"Good GOD woman! We were offering to give you about $[protected] worth of programming for a methodology that is proven to work for $395 and to make up for our slowness in migrating your site! Not empty promises from Julian – Julian delivers above and beyond and has turned our tech team around! Yea, refund on the way!"

I also didn't enjoy this one that I was sent after numerous of unanswered e-mails:

"Rebecca! Calm down! Your site is a nightmare to migrate! If I have to have these types of emails I will get your money back and you can be a quitter!

And I also had some very degrading/condescending e-mails from my one on one coach in the beginning when I couldn't get something to work. It was very sarcastic and rude, yet I kept going...not liking to admit defeat. But honestly...how much should one person take before they request a full refund to get out of a bad situation?

Their ultimate solution was to refund me $300.00 and make me sign a contract to not "bash them" or stay anything negative about them...For $300.00...I can have a lot more fun exposing them for the manipulative company that they are! Now if they refund me my $5, 880.00, a full years work the web-site hosting fees, my migration fee of $395.00 (that was promised to me over 2 months ago), then maybe I would stop my rants...until then...Keep your eyes and ears open for more!

I had a phone call today from Mr.John Boss who convinced me to buy the online start your own business for $4, 730.00 usfunds. I remembered hearing that on the recorded telephone conversation that I had 3 days to cancell. I must have contacted 9 people via phone and email to cancell or at least find out the steps to go about cancelling. After all that I finally got a phone call back from Mr.Boss he argued and flat out told me NO NO I WILL NOT CANCELL YOUR CONTRACT! something must have happened to change your, mind, your scared. I must have told him over 25 time no word of a lie over 25 times "I WANT TO CANCELL". He just said NO! I asked to speak to his supervisor, he said he was the supervisor and that he will call me back tomorrow to see if I am OK, and talk some more.

I was not satified with this so I called the 888# back and talked to yet another person, not expecting to get anywhere of course, but the gentlman I spoke to was very helpfull, he said that he could see that I had called and emailed a number of times and doesnt know why noone got back to me. He cancelled my contract and game me a confirmation# and said that it would take 7-10 business days for the refund to show up on my creditcard.

Questions:
Should I beleive them about the cancellation, what should I do next? If I wait the 7-10 days what then if it doesnt refund back on my card. Does anybody have any advice for me?

Any help you could provide would be appreciated.

Signed newly seperated mother of 3 young children.

Post your coments here I will look tomorrow. Thank you

I would like to clarify one of the posts about Corporate Credit Concepts. Ivy Capital, Business Credit Division, Nevada Corporate Division (all the same company) out sources their fulfillment to Corporate Credit Concepts. The person that posted about sign up with corporate credit concepts and then found out they were working with "BDD/The Nevada Corp" has it totally backwards. ccc doesnt refer clients to "BDD/The Nevada Corp!" BDD/The Nevada Corp refers clients for fulfillment to ccc.

Last I heard ccc is not even working with BDD/The Nevada Corp anymore. last I heard BDD/The Nevada Corp sold so many clients on so many lies that they were tired of dealing with clients that were over promised.

I just had such a close call I can't believe it! I got a phone call from a Jessica this morning offering to give me free coaching to set up my internet business in return for just a testimonial. She too asked me questions I thought odd about my credit--under the guise of wanting to know how much debit I had because one of their main goals would be to get me debt free. But she didn't just want to know what I owed--she wanted to know the credit line I had for each of my cards whether I was using them or not--sounded fishy to me but she was on a roll and didn't give me much time to think. She also wanted to know how much I have in my 401K.

I had two hours in between her call and the next, which was supposed to be from her superior. However, I was so busy typing up my assignment for her--listing 1) my financial goals; 2) personal goals; 3)credit information (including how much I owe on my house) and 4) reasons why THEY should want to work with me--that I didn't have any time to check them out--plus I didn't have the name of the company.

Luckily for me, when she called back I couldn't get to the phone right away. I dialed the number I got from caller ID. It was the corporate office of ICI Success. I didn't have her extension or last name so I couldn't do much except wait for the operator. While I was doing that, Jessica called back to tell me that her supervisor was with someone else right now but would be calling me in 15 minutes.

FINALLY, since I had the name of the company (before she just told me she was affiliated with Shawn Casey, whose course I had recently purchased), I Googled and found all of your comments. I've shut off my cell phone and have no intention of answering any other calls I get from their number.

I am so appreciative that all of you took the time to write about your experiences. You have saved me so much grief and financial problems. They really would have "had" me too, since I have been trying to set up a business on the side for about 6 months, working with a very expensive coach who I can no longer afford (but who is on the up and up).

I was laid off from a corporate job 2 months ago with a severance package. (She also wanted to know what my salary had been.) I am starting to get nervous about how I'll be able to pull in money, and when she called this morning I was in "fear" mode. It sounded like they could really help me by telling me step by step exactly what to do to get the business going. Like many of you, I was also told this would not happen overnight. (I agree that they do this in order to get you to believe they are sincerely trying to help you.) When I told her I was nearing the end of some expensive coaching, she told me I wouldn't have to worry about paying anything. As you have said, then why did she tell me to be ready with exact amounts (to the penny) of what I currently owe and what all of my credit lines are.

I truly hope that the Better Business Bureau does something about this scam. I have been on Shawn Casey's mailing list for the past several months since he was affiliated with Tellman Knudson and a list building program. I had noticed that first Tellman started emailing me under his own name and then Shawn started to do the same. I have no idea if Tellman caught on to him and split or if Tellman is another rip-off artist.

I am so very sorry for all that has happened to the rest of you--but once again I am so grateful that you have opened up about this scam.

Narrowly escaped--

AFTER READING ALL THE SCAM TRUE STORIES..I, AS A NEWBY, , (AND ONLY HAVE
$97 ON MY CREDIT CARD)..HAVE DECIDED TO 'NOT' GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS ILLEGITIMATE COMPANY. THREE SO CALLED REPS. CALLED WITHIN 1/2 HOUR..URGING ME TO HAVE MY CREDIT CARD BALANCES(TO THE PENNY) READY THE NEXT DAY AT NOON WHEN THEY WOULD CALL ME.).NO, NO.NO..I'M A SINGLE SENIOR WOMAN WITH A TIGHT BUDGET AND A LOW PAID PART TIME JOB...SO, THE WARNING IS THERE..THANK GOD..I HAVENT INVESTED ANYMORE $$$ AND I AM STARTING TOMORROW TO GET MY $97 REFUNDED...THE ORIGINAL COMPANY LISTED 'JENNIFER DAVIS' AS THE FOUNDER IN MURRY, UTAH..WELL, MY SISTER LIVES IN MURRY AND I CALLED HER TO GO TO THE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE WEB..THE 2ND FLOOR OFFICE IS EMPTY AND AFTER HER INQUIRIES..THE OFFICE WAS VACATED 2YRS AGO AND THE OWNERS WERE ARRESTED FOR FRAUD..I TOLD THIS TO THE FIRST REP. AND HE HUNG UP QUICKLY! THEN THE SECOND REP CALLED AND SMOOTH TALKED...BUT I'M NOT AS DUMB AS THEY THINK I AM..THATS WHY I'M INVESTIGATING THIS BOGUS COMPANY ...I SUGGEST A CLASS ACTION SUIT FOR THOSE WITH BIG MONEY INVESTED..GOOD LUCK...

I got a call from IVY CAPITAL today. I did not commit to anything over the phone. Later, I did a check on the phone number (thank you caller ID). The history resulted in reported scam calls. Further investigation came up with two company names. March 1st and US WEB CKS. It turns out these companies merged and since 1995 there has been some bankruptcies. I urge you to stay away from the money pit.

Wow! I really can kick myself in the butt for not doing my due diligence. I am experiencing the same problem with Business Development Division "aka" The Neveda Corporation. I initially thought that I signed up with Corporate Credit Concepts to build my business credit. I found out later on that I was working through BDD/The Nevada Corp. I was told I would recieve 5 trade lines minimum in the first 45 days totlating at least 25k and at least 150k within 6 months 5 months later I only have 3 lower level trade accounts which two of them I did on my own. I call and complain, they put you on hold and don't return your calls. You literally have to become a pain in their a--! After letting the manager know that when i was done working with them that I was going to write a report on The Nevada Corp. and Corporate Credit Concepts because they are the ones who does the actual trade lines. They know exactly what they are3 doing ripping people off charging people thousands of dollars for Bull! I am staying on top of them no matter what and they will give me my 3, ooo worth. To anyone else reading this, STAY AWAY from (BDD)Business Deveopment Division "aka" The Nevada Corporation and Corporate Credit Concepts!

I have had a similar experience. It seems that all of us have signed up with a different "original" company, but they have all led into Ivy Capital. From there, it also led straight into Nevada Corporate Division and Universal Account Servicing (doing the billing) - at least it did for me. I never knew that I only had 3 days to cancel. I also NEVER saw the contract. I originally signed up on July 20, 2009. It is almost Halloween and I'm still calling and arguing with these companies every single day. I have actually become physically ill from dealing with all of this. I had put down $915.00 to Ivy Capital (which I was told was the last of the money I would have to pay). As it turns out, the $915.00 was only a down payment to the $3, 680.00 for Ivy Capital. Then, like I said, Nevada Corporate Division became involved immediately. They scammed me into putting down $2, 000.00 with them and paying off another $2, 000.00 by making $100.00 monthly payments by my credit card. That is how it worked for the $3, 680.00 with Ivy Capital, too. Of course, Nevada Corporate Division still wanted more money, but not only was I out of money, but I was out of credit. I think my credit card companies may be winning my money back for me with Nevada Corporate Division. I know that Universal Account Servicing will be turning me over to a collection agency soon. Discover told me that if I could get something in writing from Ivy Capital stating that I was due a refund of $915.00 then they could win that money back for me. I finally got that just 2 days ago. That Dianna is a real ****** as well as the secretary. I know some of you know who I mean. Then there is Kyle Kischbaum aka Kyle Lang. Are any of you familiar with a Mr. Richard Old? He had called me up, had me open up an e-mail, told me what buttons to push and what to type where. Little did I know that I was actually filling out an application to owe them $2000.00. This application apparently doubles as a contract. All I knew at the time was that I had to do whatever Richard Old said to do in order to get my business going. I mean he was one of the head guys ( and taught the Vianet Training). I thought I could and should trust him. If anyone wants to contact me by e-mail about this, feel free. In the subject just put "Ivy Capital SCAM". My e-mail is: crainh20@yahoo.com
I would love to hear if anyone else is having any success in getting there money back.

I strongely agree about a Class Action Suit with those who have been burned by IVY Capital, which is an affiliate with the Nevada Corporation, My Business Credit, and a host of other companies. I was burned by them in June for $8990 and just like many of you've said... they do not return phone calls nor answer e-mails. These companies prey on consumers like us who have the mindset of owning a business but we realized later that the business' hidden agenda was to get the money and run. And running is just what they are doing! The manager from /link removed/ doesn't have a glue! They are just gathering words to fluff their business.
The common ground here is that we all have lost our Money and we want it back for services that weren't rendered! The common ground here is that if we need to file a Class Action Suit then I am for it. Let's do the research and stop these guys or they will continue to ripoff more innocent consumers.
Since June & July... when the Nevada Corp did not answer any of my e-mails, I got so frustrated with these den of thieves that I started a 'Reality Internet' blog at internetfraudswindlers.blogspot.com. This blog is a good outlet to VENT! I don't have much money because I have given it to the den of thieves but I can give of my time and effort to see this through. What can I do? Glo 10-22-09

I got myself involved with Ivy Capital and Vianetwebzone. I tried canceling when they first called me, but used a lot of pressure and kept transferring me from person to the next until they finally convinced me to try the program out. I, then, sent an email to cancel. They did not reply to my email. Instead, they called me and again convinced me to try the program. I was told that I could cancel if I was unsatisfied. I attempted to cancel the other day and I was told that I could cancel but that I would not get my money back. The first time they called me, they used the tactics mentioned by others, including jotting down all my balances on my credit cards. Now, I know why they charged me so much. They charged me $20, 380.00 which was my balance on my credit card. I was stupid and fell for their promises of making lots of money on the internet. But, you really do not get much help. At least 95% of the information they give you, can be found for free on the internet if you just Google it. I reported them to the Better Business Bureau, The Federal Trade Commission, The Consumer Protection Agency and The Attorney General's Office in Utah and Nevada and California. I recommend that everyone else who thinks that they have been scammed/ripped off contact all those offices also. Contact the offices not only in Utah, Nevada, California, but also other states in which they do business, such as Wyoming and contact your local state, as well. I hope we all get our monies back. It seems that we need a class action suit against these companies.

Yup! (Raising my hand) Also, another sucker! I joined in the end of August and am still trying to keep an open mind to this, but it is REALLY HARD. I will will be honest, I have learned a few things from the Vianet Training courses...but like someone mentioned in a previous blog, I could have found it out on my own, without spending almost $7000. And it's not even the $7000 that bothers me; at least I can try tell myself that it is a tuition fee, but it's after you give them that money which is suppose to be "a small investment" and a "one time only fee" that they tell you that you should sign up for different memberships such as "Wholesalematch.com" which was an additional $300 to $600 (depending if they offered you the so-called 50% off deal) or tell you that you need to have your own LLD. and suggest that having it in the state of Nevada is the best option for only $3000. The $3000 was to have someone take care of the paperwork for you. I told them I didn't have $3000 to do that, so they took it down to $1000. I finally agreed to it, but not feeling completely secure in doing so. And on top of that, they charged me twice! I currently have managed to get my website up and running, but not where I can start making money from it. It is still a work in progress. I know this is a scam, but I am still trying to get what I can out of this, just so they can't say it didn't work for you because you 1. quit or 2. didn't do the work. All in all, as much as I am trying to keep an open mind, I am still very dissatisfied with this company like the rest of you. I would REALLY REALLY like to get my money back.

Eyrie88,

When did you purchase your package? How long have you been doing this?

Ivy Capital has now refunded my money in full, on the proviso that I "not provide information, make any statement orally or in writing, or take any action, directly or indirectly, that would cause Ivy Capital, Inc. embarrassment or humiliation or that could reasonably be interpreted to be disparaging of Ivy Capital, Inc.". As a consequence, (and the fact that they called me at 2am this morning to "remind" me), I have been asked to rescind all previous statements regarding the company - under threat of paying Ivy Capital liquidated damages of $1000 per breach - even though such action was prior to and necessary to instigate restitution from the company.

In light of this, I hereby retract all previous statements regarding Ivy Capital.

My brother also was scammed by IVY, as soon as he realized that they were scamming him, he called his Credit Card company and froze the purchase. Long story short after much time, he got back 15, 400 dollars out of 17K. The 1, 600 he agreed to pay since he was actually usinig IVY's services for a few weeks. So all you folks hang in there and fight, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

I agree with all these complaints! I am in the same boat! I am a member of Pre-Paid Legal Services and ask my lawyer to write them a letter on my behalf. I talked to a person on the resolution department and she scheduled me an apointment with her boss Melinda for Friday! She could not get me in sooner because they are too busy in that department, that is what she said :) No doubt, with their junk and all the scaming they do! So hopefully by that time they will have received the letter from the lawyer and hopefully that will help to get my money back! I have 4 kids the oldest is 4 and I am expecting #5, I can not afford to lose my money on a scam like this. I wished I would have been stronger and kept my mind and not fall into their garbage stuff! I'll keep you posted if I get a result

Oh my goodness! What a bunch of crap! Rip off didn't contact me and say all of that crap, but I had seen in the past where they defended Ivy League Capital. It all is who is in bed with who! Have you gotten any results? I hope so, I haven't and have been making payments on $8000 for 8 months now and have not MADE ONE PENNY! I email and email, I get nothing. I submit articles and nothing. I make changes and nothing. What a crock! What was the $8000 for? Nothing but a down payment for someone there!

I got a reply back from [redacted].com, for the exact same report above that I filed on their website. Here's their response. Have a read of it, and tell me they're not paid to be Ivy Capital's PR mouthpiece.

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We've read your submission to us located below our email signature. We totally understand your frustration.. We know for a fact that Ivy Capital has made some drastic changes and will be making more as time goes on... They are participating in our CAP - Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program. They have made many changes and making more as time goes on to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

NO, they are not going to or can they sue anyone that was a real customer who are making a complaint. Top executives at the company are committed to getting to the bottom of these problems that their customers are making claims about so they can fix them internally so they do not happen again to their customers. Could we be wrong? We don’t think so because they committed themselves to this program, and it should made consumers feel confident when doing business with them.. Only time will tell, and we will look forward to your comments after they have contacted you..

We've read what you said below and find it very hard to believe that Ivy Capital would ever approve of what you explained below, but, we may not totally understand your problem - -

We don’t doubt you feel in your heart that what you are saying is true, but... this is NOT the Ivy Capital that we know today. Yes, we know they many have made mistakes in the past, like all other companies, they will from time to time.. that is why have joined our program here at Rip-off..

We know they have thousands of success stories and the amount of companies on Rip-off are only a fraction of their business - we know that is no excuse, but, better than that, the company does not want anyone to be dissatisfied.. More than likely there are problems with some specific staff handling your specific account, but I could be wrong. Either way, we know they will want to make it right with you.

We are taking the liberty of sending Ivy Capital your information so they can fix things to your satisfaction

Please, between you and I ... I ask that you be nice and calm with them (not to say you would not) .. for the moment, give them the benefit of the doubt - - you must give them credit for wanting to make things right with anyone that has had issues in the past - you have nothing to lose.. It's not every day companies do this - they could have just changed their name like most other Rip-off companies do.

They will be in contact with you in 3 to 5 business days more than likely much sooner.

NOTE: Please know, it's complaints like yours that have made Ivy Capital better today and Ivy Capital said they are aware of this. You should also know they have made changes that Rip-off is very excited about, only because this service is so needed for people like you in your situation. Hopefully, this has not come too late for you. This is a difficult business and there are truly dishonest companies out there - - but, remember, no company or individual is perfect... all companies will make mistakes. It is how those companies rectify their mistakes that separate honest businesses from dishonest businesses.

Thanks so much for contacting us - You will see that things will be made right for you..

Please send this entire email back to me and let me know what happens - - please... and your comments about what we are doing are desperately needed, as we are still a new service to consumers and businesses, we are looking for comments from people like you, especially if you do not agree with us.

Your ideas and criticisms are welcome. Any questions good or bad, please let us know.

To understand more about this program - please go to this link. /URL removed/

Amy... staff member for ..

ED Magedson - Founder
EDitor@[redacted].com
/link removed/

Rip-off
PO Box 310, Tempe, Arizona 85280
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On 1 Sep 2009, I received a late evening phone call from a person who identified himself as "Tom" from Shawn Casey's organization regarding an Internet Marketing Course. This was not unusual, because I had purchased a Web marketing DVD from Shawn Casey's MiningGold website a number of weeks ago. This should have been the first red flag - an unsolicited phone call.

Stage 1 - Basic Info Gathering - Find out how much credit they have available
This first call is a qualifying call, to set the trap. It starts out innocently enough - how much free time you have available to work on your internet business, are you open-minded and teachable (this is important as we'll see later), how they will show you how to do this using "Other People's Money" (OPM), and whether you're a good decision maker if you have all the facts. And then he goes on about how they're about wanting to "help" people, to create a success story etc.

"Tom" then proceeded to ask me a number of personal details - age, martial status, kids, kids ages, wife's name etc... including the types of credit cards I held and the dollar limit on those cards. Whoa! Wait a minute... why do they need to know this? As many will have later found out, it qualifies the amount of "investment" you can reasonably go up to.

At this stage, "Tom" is all excited for me, because he thinks I'm a nice guy (sure, I just told you a bunch of really personal information), and that I'll make an excellent candidate for their "program". I am then referred to his "International Director for Marketing" for a "candidate interview" which would take about an hour. All this while, he's calling you "friend", and how you'll be a great asset to the "program".

Stage 2 - Wear Em Down and Get the Card Details
15 mins later, a person, identifying himself as "Nelson Taylor" then called me back, and for the next 2 hours and 30 mins, proceeded to further qualify me as a candidate. In that "interview", he showed me 3 websites that they "helped" the "owners" setup and hinted at what they would do to help me setup an internet business. A number of red flags went off here for me... there was no way you could know if these were real owners they helped, or just a couple of believable "profiles" they put together with some really basic research and creative spin doctoring.

I was then presented 3 levels of "investment", ranging from "aggressive" (3 websites) US$14-15K, "moderate" (2 websites) $12-14K and "conservative" (1 website) $8-12K. They would build the website, do the graphics design, submit it to 220+ search directories, provide 1-on-1 coaching, 100K opt-in email blasts, a whole bunch of other stuff including a HTML editor and encrypter. (At this stage, I'm writing furiously and making copious notes). His words were "We'd do all the website, internet marketing and advertising for you, everything, we'll do it... you wouldn't have to do a thing, except make key decisions with the coach and development coordinator! You could be completely hands-off, or as involved as you like. It's your business". Huh? So, what happened to all this talk about using OPM to set up an internet marketing business where you help me and show me the methods you used to helped the owners of those 3 websites you showed me, to make the sort of money you say I could be making? And why would I need a HTML editor if you were developing the website for me? $8K for a website (selling what?), plus $29.95/month hosting seems kinda steep. Most of what was discussed in this stage was vaguely touched on, or quickly glossed over when I started asking some awkward questions.

At this point, nearly 2hrs and 30min into the "interview", I was "provisionally accepted" as a candidate into their program, and for me to reserve a place on the program, I had to provide my credit card details in the form of a "hotel reservation" (his exact words). I still didn't know what I was supposed to be investing in, and exactly what would be provided. I asked to see some written document detailing what we discussed, before I agreed to anything, but I was assured several times that my card would not be charged, and that this was simply required to "reserve my place on the program". Why? And again, he takes pains to reinforce the fact that I've already admitted to be open-minded and teachable, and that it's not really MY money... it's OPM, implying it's the credit card company's money.

Stage 3 - Federal Compliance (Record their verbal agreement)
I was then asked to wait for a call from their "Federal Compliance Officer", who called me back 3 mins later, and identified himself as "Nick". I was asked repeatedly to agree to the condition that I if I cancelled the agreement after 3 days, that I would forfeit 15% of the fee for "merchant fee and processing". All this, without yet having seen any written documentation at this point.

Stage 4 - Nearly There... Just need the signature
Now, "Nick" was supposed have sent the agreement documentation at this point, when "Nelson Taylor" calls back again 5mins later, and supposedly "re-sends" the link to Yozons.com to electronically sign the agreement. I was not given an opportunity to read the agreement through thoroughly, as "Nelson" insisted that I could read it later and proceeded to hurriedly usher me through the steps to electronically sign and submit the document.

The very next day when I had a chance to re-read the agreement, I found another person's name, credit card details and address, and the figure of US$5880, within the same agreement. I immediately sent an email to welcome@icisuccess.com and clientservices@icisuccess.com requesting that the agreement be cancelled. It wasn't until 4 days later, after my cards were charged (wait, didn't they say it wouldn't be charged until after 3 days?), that I received an apologetic phone call from "Nelson", literally begging me to give them a chance to redeem themselves. He even offered to pay the first 3 credit card instalments. (How? How much? When? Details, details!) To which, I refused to, and reiterated that I would still like to cancel the agreement - which I was entitled to within the 3 day stipulation. Haven't heard pipsqueak from them since.

In all, I was charged US$6840, which he had bargained himself down from US$8880, (even though I was assured that I would not be charged!) which I'm presently trying to recover from my card provider. And I have not been able to successfully contact them either by email or phone. The phone number [protected]) I was provided simply rings out. Where does OPM figure in all of this? It doesn't... it's MY money which I now have to pay back to the card company.

Ivy Capital (aka The Success Team, aka Shawn Casey, aka ICI Success) is a bunch of con artists. The long "interview" process (nearly 4 hours into the evening) are designed to wear you down. They throw A LOT of information at you, which upon reflection, is a lot of padding words, and light on being actually informative. The reality is, they use OPM (i.e. YOUR money) to make their money, which they don't have to pay back. "Nelson" let slip that I could set up a Nevada LLC, and transfer the balance of my credit cards to a corporate account, and essentially implied that neither I nor the corporation would ever have to pay that money back. This very fact should be sufficient for the card companies to blacklist Ivy Capital (or whoever they call themselves), and warrant an investigation into Internet fraud by the FBI. Meanwhile, these people have YOUR detailed personal information (gathered in Stage 1), which now makes you a perfect candidate for identity theft.

In short:
1. NEVER provide detailed personal OR financial information to anyone.
2. NEVER agree to anything without seeing it in writing.
3. NEVER sign anything until you have read it thoroughly, or have your attorney read it thoroughly.
4. Be prepared to say NO and stick to it.

BTW, I still haven't received that DVD from Shawn Casey either.

I too was scammed by ICI Coaching/ Ivy Capital just a couple days ago. They made it sound all so legit telling me that it wasn't a get rich scheme and I'd have to work hard to learn all there was to starting a business online (blah blah blah).

It was late and I had to work in the morning so I did not take the time to do a Google search on them until the next day after work . That's when I saw all the negative post's on them and started too feel ill.

I called my credit card co. and told them that I had 3 days too cancel the agreement so PLEASE don't pay them. They told me that its not a check and I can't just issue a stop payment and then felt even more sick. But even if they don't pay them the $6880.00 the agreement states they still get a 15% restocking fee and that's over a grand.

So at this point I don't know just what's going to happen. Thought I'm all for suing these scammers and filing a complaint with the attorney general of Nevada. I feel like such an ###.

Is there anyone that had a good experiance?

I hate scams,

I feel EXACTLY like you do! Completely SICK to my stomach daily. I have been in this since Feb. and haven't made ONE PENNY! I have one site but MANY blogs, have submitted many articles and email blasts! Now, I am going to take on another job (direct sales) to try and pay off our debt for this entire mess and scam! I tried emaling their customer service...nothing. I also emailed the Jessica named above...nothing. I called Adam Huebner, the salesman that signed me up and told him exactly what you said in your paragraph! How do they sleep at night knowing what they are doing to innocent, honest, hard working people! It has been over six months...gee, wonder why he hasn't tracked me down for a success story! Because there never is one and it is a joke!

I will tell you of a new company, Jewel Kade, that is just starting, it is a 7-week old company, the jewelry is beautiful, hand made and sells itself! I had a party this week for a friend, not thinking much of it and everyone went crazy! It literally is not even launching until Sept 1st! So, due to all of this debt, I am going to do this, make my own schedule and I WILL make my money back very easily and then some. So, I wanted to do this website to help my family (I do work 30 hours a week at a non-profit, so not much money!) So now on top of still trying to make money with this site, I am going to sell Jewel Kade to pay for this damn website! Good luck to you...I feel the same way...sick every day due to this. I have two girls 10 and 7, so I know exactly where you are coming from! If you want, look at my paragraphs above!

Sorry you got screwed in all of this too. When did you start this nightmare?

My brother got $10, 000 back from his USBank credit card, but I think he quit early on. And he also froze the purchase, till IVY would give him a written guarrantee that he would have a money making blog, which of course they never provided. He is in the process of trying to get back another $7, 000 back which he used his Bank of America CC for.
Good Luck

When I enrolled I was sold on the idea that spending almost $8, 000 was going to make me money at the accelerated pace and that that money would be made back quickly. I feel like I have been doing alot of the research on my own. I do not understand what the heck I spent that much money on. I have a family to support and hospital bills to be coming. I have two small children and one on the way. I have not made any money yet and I have been spending numerous hours on line doing research and attending webinars. I have two websites and two blogs built. I have never spent that much money on anything and I lay in bed every night sick to my stomach that I have that kind of debt out there. I feel like I was totally scammed over. I feel like you people must be celebratng because you made some huge commission off of scamming an innocent person who was trying to get out of the rut we are already in. I am extremely determined to make money from home because I DO NOT want to have to go back to work after my baby is born but now I feel like I am in more debt than ever and will have too. I feel like I could have saved my money. I was sold on the idea of making it back quickly and that is what the accelerated sign up plan did. I do not see how anybody can feel good about themselves taking money from people like that. What kind of business does not even offer amoney back guarentee?
Has anyone been able to get their money back on their credit cards?

I emailed Jessica...no response! No surprise! Same with their customer service email...

Some good news, folks. I actually got a $2000 refund to my credit card. The wife checked on the balance and found our credit. Now, I'm waiting for a phone conference between 5 & 6 to get my original "investment" back. Supposedly, emailing them the with the statement that I want out and my money back isn't acceptable. They have to have it over the phone to make sure.
I got an email from a Jessica Johnson (jessicajohnson523@gmail.com) about contacting Ivy Capital Inc. Here's the whole thing.

To contact Ivy directly, and speak to a live operator, please follow these directions. Dial [protected], hold through the prompts without responding to any of them, and you will connected with the operator for Ivy Capital Inc. Explain to the operator you situation, and she will transfer you to account resolution.

Thank You,

--
Jessica Johnson
Vianet Webzone
[protected]
jessica.johnson@vianetwebzone.com

It will take over 5 minutes to get through to someone, but wait it out. It should be worth it. I never actually got transferred, but I got an "appointment" that may actually be real.

winnext,

That is exactly how it started with me! They say it doesn't cost anything because you are putting in on a credit card, so you are using "other people's" money to start...then by the time you need to make payments, you have made enough! Believe me, I am a major skeptic and my husband too, but I am ashamed to say, I got sucked in. They said, if I remained teachable and open and did my homework that I could achieve an on-line business success. They said they could not afford to let me fail because they want that great testimonial...well, not testimonial from me! And I haven't made one penny and I checked and I signed up 1-31-09...so sickening each and every day...great job and looking it up on the internet. Honestly, I used the computer for work here and there but never "googled" until this and boy do I wish I had!

OK - I got a phone call several days ago on my cell phone but missed the call. When I tried to call back a recording said that it was not a working number. The next day I missed another call (different number) and tried to call it back - same thing. Well today I didn't miss the call (yet different number again!) and talked to a guy named "Kasey" (don't know if that was his first or last name). We talked for a while and then he gave me a list of 4 tasks to accomplish while I was waiting for his "director" to call me back. 1- Top 10 Personal Goals; 2- 3, 6, and 9 month financial goals; 3- Five reasons why I would be a good fit; and 4- DEBT Info including limits on any credit cards. About 5 minutes later Kasey calls me back informing me that his director was in a meeting with the VP of the company and would not be able to call me until tomorrow morning. Before hanging up I asked the name of the company again and what do you know - IVY CAPITAL. Kasey kept asking me if I was serious about making money. My response was that money doesn't grow on trees and that I would naturally be scepticle about a "make money overnight" scheme. I asked how much this was gong to cost me and he said "we don't charge anything at all, we just ask for a testimonial and your permission to publish this testimonial for advertising for the company". Now I'll admit that I began working on my 4 tasks as he requested and then decided to go online and check out this IVY CAPITAL. Well I'm so glad I did before I gave up any information to them. I thought it important to write my statement becuse I didn't see any others saying that it would cost nothing but a testimonial. I don't know if this is another one of their ways to trick you or not but I definitely will NOT join their program thanks to all of you! Good luck on getting your money back.

I have been working with Vianet Webzone Training. The information is useful and the webinars are actually entertaining and informative. However, these are the same people as in all the previous posts. They use all the same tactics and even the same phone numbers. I started out trying to get a refund on their Business Credit program. They took a $2000 payment off my credit card and supposedly a loan for the same amount. I never got anything for the loan, and, on the positive side my "coach" told me after the fact that I didn't need it.
However, in trying to get a refund to the credit card, I found this forum and realized that the only way to get any action out of them was to threaten the BBB, this site and report that they are not keeping up with their agreement at Rip-off. The e-mails and voice mails I left did nothing until I sent one to customercare@icicoaching.com asking if they were any or all of the entities I was dealing with. The only time I heard the name Ivy Capital was when one "associate" of my original coach called after I threatened to withdraw from their program as well (which is what he told me to use on the credit team). At this time, the 'Business Success Team' has sent me an e-mail on 7/28 stating that I was credited my refund on 7/24. However, no one bothered to let me know. I haven't seen the credit show up on the balance yet, either. "Normal processing is 2-7 business days. You should expect your refund shortly."
I'll post any good news I get in that department when/if it happens.

Ivy customer care: I don't know where you are sending the emails, but I have not rec'd any. I also emailed the email that you tell us too and it fails each time. If you truly are trying to reach me, you can email me at ejpnationalunlimited@yahoo.com.

i agree with paul. they did the same to me too. maxed out my credit card and i still have to do all the work. they are scam artists and i am still trying to get my refund. the cost is always what they can charge on you credit card and that can be 8000 to 4000. no set fee.

russell
st. petersburg fl.

User Names: Concernedmom, Rippedoffbyivy, cindy noble and any others. We have sent you emails through this website and also provided you with an email that can be used to communicate with us. We look forward to hearing from you.

IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE THAT IS NOT RESOLVED PLEASE EMAIL US AT CLIENTSERVICES@ICISUCESS.COM PLEASE USE THE TITLE UNRESLOVED COMPLAINT AND YOUR FULL NAME SO WE CAN QUICKLY CONTACT YOU AND RESOLVE IT. wE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE EACH PERSON WHO WE DEAL WITH IS TAKEN CARE OF AND CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WITH OR WITHOUT US.

THANK YOU,

CUSTOMER CARE

I think that the training I have received thus far has been great! Not to fast, and not to slow, and definitely not to long. I also enjoy the fact that I can go back and view the training again on my own time and catch anything I may have missed the first time... - Melanie K.

I wanted everyone to know that I did go to the FTC website and filed a claim. Takes about 5 minutes...it isn't going to hurt! If everyone does it, maybe we can get some of our hard earned money back! Please go out and do it !

I just typed a whole big response and I don't know where it went! So to make a long story short, I am in Michigan and got screwed too out of $8500. I will go to the FTC website too as we all should. If there is a lawsuit, I am there!