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Same players, same scheme, different product! Dennis wong was indicted in 2007 for fraud and pyramid scheme now he is doing the same thing selling vitamins and diet pills. You are lured to a hotel for a presentation and what you get is the same kind of vitamins that you can purchase at the vitamin shoppe for a lot more. Dennis wong, johnny ly and cynthia bahn make their money by having you bring other people into the scheme. They are the only one's making money. This is total fraud. Report them to the state attorney general's office.
Chris what failure are you referring to? I never said I was in business with YOR Health or Dennis Wong. My post is about a fact. Dennis Wong was indicted in 2007 for running a pyramid scheme. As part of the indictment he agreed not to run another pyramid scheme. He has broken the law and I am exposing that fact. If you are happy selling YOR Health and are making money then fine...this post is not for you. However, there are hundreds if not thousands of complaints throughout the internet complaining about the company, Dennis Wong, Johnny Ly and Cynthia Bahn. These people feel they have been victimized by the same players. The law is the law and Dennis Wong has broken the law. Here is the link to the article in The New York Sun regarding the indictment of Dennis Wong and his phone company named YOR.com in 2007. http://www.nysun.com/new-york/phone-firm-reacts-to-complaints/59871/
IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF THIS COMPANY, ITS FOUNDERS OR PRACTICES CONTACT OUR LOCAL STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.
You poor fool. You have been brainwashed by Johnny Li and the rest of them.
The fact remains THEY WERE INDICTED FOR DOING THIS. I have attended and recorded a "meeting". It is fraud. If you cannot see this, then drink the kool aid!
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Play on People’s Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following
People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.
Doesn't it sound EXACTLY like what these people are exploiting?
48 laws of power- Robert Greene
-READ and LEARN-
and don't tell me you're making money with pyramid... PLEASE! if you do then let me see your tax return. I asked every single one of those so called reps if i can see their tax return and they all stopped calling me. DON'T let their looks and belongings fool you. FYI, I drive Mercedes CLK 550, have several watches including Rolex Deep Sea (valued at $9000), carries American Express Business Platinum card, and pays for my parent's mortgage. All this with my own business that generates anywhere between NET $125, 000 to $150, 000 varies year to year. Why I'm telling you this? Because even though I make WAY more then these looser YOR reps, I can't afford Lambo or Ferrari, goes on some $5000/night lavish vacation that they claim that they do, or wearing Gucci or Prada head to toe (if they are real). So, for them to tell you they make blah blah money, they gotta make around $250, 000 to $300, 000. REALLY? Go read about Dennis Wong (founder of YOR) and you'll realize how big of scam artist that they are. How come nobody wanted to show me their tax return? I asked several reps 'show me the proof and I'll dedicate 110% into your business' for ### and giggles and they could not back it up. How pathetic... it's so pathetic to hold meeting in hotels or starbucks.. you got money to drive $300, 000 car but can't afford decent office space!? Don't tell me about cutting cost because if you're going to spend $300, 000 on something that depreciates its value every year and not spend on office space which can be written off as your business expense, you CLEARLY don't know what you're doing. Do you know how much INSURANCE cost on Lambos?! Again, go READ and LEARN.. PLEASE...
LISTEN YOU IDOITS... Pyramid scheme has been around for years... what legitimate companies hold meetings in different starbucks every day? Millionaire players with Lambos and Ferraris with no office space? Why don't we ask this simple question when faced with pyramid schemes... if everybody becomes seller, who are the buyers? This is ridiculous scam with no back bone. Listen you die hard YOR supporters..and to everyone else, go READ and LEARN before you jump into conclusion. Go and read '48 Laws of Power' by Robert Greene and tell me how YOR and every other pyramid companies effectively use some of those laws to lure you minions. Human mind is VERY susceptible for deception. Just look at religious fanatics who believe EVERYTHING comes out from their pastor, reverend or whatever's mouth. You wanna make money doing pyramid scheme? Start your own, that's it. Get a cheap product, pay some celeb to endorse the product and make some legit looking flyers and pamphlets. Then go to men's warehouse and buy some cheap suits and get a lifetime membership at starbucks because you won't have any money for office space in the beginning.
Not a pyramid scheme. I agree with 'Former 2by2.net Independent Rep'. This business model may be borderline, but it not illegal. Really seems to bother some people that they meet in Starbucks rather than an office, but I know a little bit about finance too and I think that is ingenious because coffee houses have internet access for free or cheap and they don't have to pay mortgage for office space. Its a no brainer.
I currently work as an advertising and marketing executive and can tell you for certain that as far as the use of sex appeal is concerned, we use it all of the time so get used to it or throw away your tv set, cable box, and internet. If you think that the use of sex appeal to sell products and services is illegal and unethical, you had better call the FTC on us and well as the music business, fashion industry, and even the food service industry these days.
Yor is a complete scam. I've been to their meetups at starbucks. Their psychological attacks are so pathetic and unethical. Pressuring someone into something right away is VERY UNETHICAL. The only way you can even make money is by scamming innocent people into paying their $390 + fee. They ARE an underground pyramid scheme. They focus more on recruiting people than selling the product. One of the reps was telling me how they have to use sex appeal to recruit people. I laughed at that, just laughed. Keep the sheep at bay Wong and Ly but don't be suprised when the feds come busting down your door.
I used to work for 2by2.net for 2 years back in [protected]. I made approximately $80, 000+ total and I learned a heck of a lot about life, business and what it takes to be successful in anything. The things I learned from Jeff Morgan and Dennis Wong have helped me in so many ways that the experience itself made it so worth while. I think I learned more there than in college. Am I a victim of college? I didn't get a job right out of college?
That being said, this business structure has been going on for quite a while. (Amway, WorldCom, USANA, Avon, Primamerica, MaryKay, Herbal Life, etc). In fact, Dennis Wong and Jeff Morgan have been involved with at least one company that I know of before 2by2.net [protected]), maybe more. I believe they started a wave in network marketing out in Los Angeles in the mid 1990's. When one company didn't work out, they created another, and another until today when Dennis Wong cut ties with Jeff and seemed to have perfected the business structure of marketing technology via word of mouth in a LEGAL but gray area way due to recruitment pay. Most of his leaders from the past are in other companies now doing the same thing, and expanding the Network Marketing strategy to about every product out there. USANA seems to be the company of choice that most of Dennis Wong's Former Inner Circle Members have flocked to and are really doing pretty good. (Albeit the highest percentage of the money comes from recruitment pay mostly). Others are still involved with Dennis Wong and YOR.
I read the report that Kat is referring to and according to the report, the FTC settled for a $400, 000 fine instead of the $12 million dollar fine. In the report, it stated that Jeff Morgan did NOT admit to running an illegal company, and the FTC signed off on that. No one was sentenced to anytime. The $12 million fine was not instituted. Why do you think that happened? Because it's not ILLEGAL. It's right on the border though, and people can make money, mostly by recruiting, but it's not illegal. They have a product and a service.
The biggest problem that happens with these companies is greed. With 2by2.net, Jeff and Dennis were allegedly taking match pay for themselves, and hence their best leaders; Duke Tubtem, Dr. Luis, Dave Braun, Cliff Braun, Lazaro Gutierrez, Chepe Gutierrez, made an exodus out of there. That crumbled most of the company because they were the leading money makers in the company and also the inspiration, heart and soul of the company, and thus, the whole system collapsed due to lack of moral and fear of the whole company pulling out and closing down. Only a few branches survived, Michael Mo, Sun Nguyen, and Cynthia Bon (etc). Most of Michael Mo's "downline" is still with him and are the most character people I have ever met. They choose their career in Network Marketing and are doing great and they all will probably follow Dennis Wong and Michael Mo until they've made enough. They believe in what they are doing 110% and they're main reason for doing this really is to help people make money. They try, but most are unwilling or not believing in what they are saying.
Additionally, there has been plenty of media coverage on Dennis Wong companies. This 'nysun' article is not the first or the last. The problem that the FTC has is that YOR and IXP and 2by2.net were all companies that BORDERED on a pyramid scheme, yet were not because there really was a product and a service that was sold (Even if selling the actual product was probably less than 10% of the total revenue for the company). That is the bottom line. One is not a victim of this company because one is told during the meeting that this is a business opportunity, not a job. No business is free to start. Yes it is immoral that 80% of your client base is friends and family and that you have to use them to get going because it is easier to do. Most people will fail because their own friends and family don't trust them to even attend the meeting and will talk the "victim" into thinking they got scammed. Then the "victim" doesn't listen to the trainings, and does everything wrong. They call it EGO. People should start calling 24 Hour Fitness a scam because they took my money and it didn't work. The stupid thing is, the gym works; you didn't work. It's the same thing in YOR or 2by2. One just has to follow the program completely and you will get results.
All in all, these ways of business are good for some people and not for others. Maybe if the country tightens the definition of illegal business practices due to the recent Ponze Schemes of Bernard Madoff and others, it will finally fall out of the gray area and into the black. But until then, it is a legal business regardless of news articles and opinions based on what people say. I say good luck to all of you who join. You might do well. At least it's a chance to do well in this tough economy. What other chance of getting rich do you have? Lottery? Inheritance? Another business? Even Donald Trump was asked what he would do if he ever lost all of his money. He responded by saying he would join Amway and be back on top in no time.
Actually, I have been in the business for 2 months and i have made over $2000 and growing.. so take your negative unproductive attitude, and start pointing the finger at yourself for your failure.