Tate's The Natural Miracle Conditioner
reviews and complaints

I use the stuff and it seems pretty good to me.

Anyone who buys anything from this company is wasting their money. He charges their credit cards when he needs money. Also he cheats his employees out of money and also sends notes to them asking for sex. He does by products from cheap stores and repackages them under Tates and yes he does my the lotion from sallys beauty supply, this also goes for Kathys Family products.
This place needs to be investigated by the news where they just come in and start taping and he the owner would be hiding behind close doors.

oh, actually at the beginning of this thread is a complaint from a co-worker from 2009. five years.

i work for a small organic grocery store in columbus, ohio. they have been harassing my employees for 2 years now. they claim we ordered something over the phone and it was signed for by a staff member named "ford". i had her send me proof. what she faxed me was not even an invoice. it was notes she took down. I'm going forward with lawsuit. if anyone wants in, e-mail me at calumetcoopgm@gmail.com

I, too have been targeted by Tates! I am a licensed massage therapist in NY and received a phone call asking me if I would like a "sample" that it would be a great all natural massage cream. A few days later the sample came, it was 2 huge full sized bottles of their miracle conditioner with an invoice for $45! I have used the product for a few months now (for personal use, as it is NOT a massage cream what so ever) and just received my 2nd phone call from the company.. Which led me to check them out here... She called to collect money for the invoice and when I explained that it was presented to me as a sample things started to get really fishy.
After doing some investigation, I believe this is the product believed to sold at Sally's Beauty Supply. This is so sad, I hope something can be done about this misleading company! How deceiving can one be!?
http://www.sallybeauty.com/Hair-Skin-Conditioner/SBS-442010, default, pd.html

Comments state that products with the same ingredients are available at Sally's Beauty Supply. I do not see anything similar on the Sally's web page? Any suggestions?

It's also possible that in her heyday, she sold the formulas to Sally's, went under and now buys Sally's product and repackages it herself. But the new lotion, while good, is not as great as what it used to be. My problem is that she is now on Facebook posing as a small, grassroots operation that needs our help to grow. And she is trying to recruit "franchises", where people cold call small health food stores, get them to agree to "free samples" and then Kathy and Steve ship the product. They get their money from the franchisers and screw the customer, leaving the franchiser to take the heat.

After more research, hnere is what I found. Kathy Swanson started Kathy's family in MA in 2002. It was listed as a multimillion dollar pharmaceutical/beauty sales company and was located on 25 acres with a gorgeous home. It's patent was cancelled. Then she changed names (prob due to divorce) and moved to OH in 2011, very close to where Steve Divincenzo . lives and works. Her new name is Kathy Stanley-Hogan and she re=patented her company under the name of Kathy's Family- Good Honest Products and People, located in a seedy storefront with sales listed at $46, 000. She also works for a company that re-packages and distributes products, which in light of the complaints against Steve (who also distributes Tate's products as well as Kathy's family) seems sketchy. Their company phone numbers are the same. Apparently she was raised in the area.

I remember buying the healing lotion years ago and later it was in a different bottle and wasn't as good. Perhaps at one time in MA, they did make the homemade product, and after their fall got desperate. She has moved around a lot and they have a terrible record in customer service. I find it hard to believe she is still making this stuff from scratch.

I can see that Steve, the man who lives in MO and distributes Tate's and Kathy's is a d-bag. Research on him was very enlightening. My question is about Kathy Swanson of Kathy's family. Are they in it together? Her website and FB pages look legit. Or did she simply get scammed by Steve and his slimy company and now regrets him being her distributor? I see that her company (supposedly located in MA) is now franchising, so this is an important question. I have never used Tate's, but the Kathy's miracle lotion is the only thing that works for my rosacea. If it is a re-label, I need to find the REAL product. From what I can tell by research, it is NOT the same product as Tate's conditioner. People say they look alike, but smell and work differently. I am really confused. Can anyone help? This guy Steve needs to be taken down, but I am hoping there really is a Kathy's family that hand mixes natural products in MA.

Thanks everyone! I've since stopped using the Tate's conditioner as now I have no idea what it is made of. Very good point - How is it colourless, as listed in the ingredients are Apples, Strawberries, Rose, Oranges, Clove, Ginger, Pineapple, Cranberries, Blueberries, Geranium, Raspberries, Blackberries, Celery, Boysenberries, Orchid, Coconut, Papaya, Marigold, Hazel Nut, Pine Needles, Oak Bark, Chamomile, Nutmeg, Calendula, Jasmine, Lemons, Parsley, Thyme, Eucalyptus, Cherry Bark, Passion Flower, Cinnamon.
I have also purchased their toothpaste and find it wonderful. Is this repackaged from another brand too?