Rod Stinson review: Scammer is back 11

Hi is rodney stinson big lie forex same guy as rod stinson pizza box system - they both look similar in promotional pics?

I reviewed "The Big Forex Lie" system infomercial by Rodney Stinson. His marketing video is over an hour long. In it he says his system does not use any traditional indicators as they are all lagging and don't work. He really trash talks them, hard. Among the long list of indicators he mentions, Rodney explicitly says he doesn't use Bolinger bands or RSI. ...Then fast forward deeper into the sales pitch and you are shown that his charts extract their trade timing from two indicators which bear an amazing resemblance to RSI and Bolinger bands. It appears obvious that he took two standard indicators, renamed them and called them new. Even if he made some slight modifications in their calculation, there can be no dispute his indicators operate on the exact same principle as the standard free indicators. I see no reason to pay this guy for his dubious indicators when my broker gives me pretty much the same stuff for free. As for the expensive education he is selling, there is plenty of free information available online how to use all the standard indicators, including RSI and Bolinger bands. My advice is to steer clear of his products and services.

Well apparently Peter has learned or had a change of heart for I have spoken with him several times and found him very easy to communicate with. Of course a conversation does have two parties and therefore it takes an open minded person whom is not accusing the other of wrong doing upfront to truly get a perspective of the other attitude...

I received similar rude treatment from Peter Vlahos in a telephone conversation and through e-mails. In addition to being rude, his (Peter Vlahos) behavior was arrogant, condescending and self-righteous.

Mark, thanks for taking the time to post your views. But as you generally said, everyone is different. Some people cannot see the forest for the trees...cannot get past their own noses. Cannot get past themselves. On their own journey. Let them go.

Stinson and Jameson are business in a box and have come as close as you can get to the quickest way to get up and running if that's how you want to go. You can spend years figuring it out for less - MAYBE. Or take the most updated and direct routes for $1, 500. No one is telling you how YOU should do it. There are plenty of people who want to cut to the chase and willing to pay a higher price in the short-term for it. That's their choice. Keep in mind also that this is "Top Tier".

The value is in the training, system, and high conversion rates. If people can get some decent to great incomes going fairly quickly - that's value. As Stinson states, you gotta get multiple income streams going (longer-term) and these products will allow you a huge jump-start to pursue what you want in addition to PWS... that's value! It's a cooperative system that opens up more opportunity and requires work. Marketing is THE major component to ANY business - if you don't have it, guess what? You ain't selling anything. Sales and marketing people are among the top earners in ANY business. So where's the scam? Really tired of the very loose use of that term. People here who are making a so-called differentiation between selling product versus selling an opportunity are EXTREMELY short-sighted. As if there was something wrong with selling an opportunity? WOW! Bottom line is that you're getting both PLUS a long-term launching pad for other things. You make it what you want. Folks, stick with the big-picture, like-minded people and know that they are out there and you can do business with them.

Rotten apples are in every barrel, so do be careful who you sign up with. Also, if you're a newbie, don't psyche yourself out of this, but do make sure it's right for you. Internet marketing can be learned, but is not for everyone, plain and simple… just like any other business is not for everyone. You may not have the brain (that bends this way), time, additional marketing dollars, work ethic, business sense, social interaction skills, personal confidence, desire, or combo of these to make it work. The Stinson/Jameson sales webinars do not address newbies and this would be the shortcoming of their marketing. But you gotta meet these Internet Marketers halfway and take responsibility for yourself. I can see where they do have targeted filtering built in to their system aimed at getting the "right" people in. But they are, afterall, MARKETERS! So if you're a newbie, please do yourself and all of us a favor by taking a good look at yourself and your circumstances before getting in and ALSO before reporting "scams". It is such a waste of other people's time when you don't take responsibility and do your own due diligence first and then you report a scam when the disconnect is really YOU (for whatever reason mentioned above), but you still feel the need to blame everyone else instead.

The help and knowledge I provide is priceless :-))

And i'm sorry that being a nice person bothers you? thats for you to figure out not me...
Look up some good videos on youtube about Napoleon Hill that might help you with that..

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As we all know, the world is made up of all kinds of deferent types of people... and if we could all understand each other there would not be things like WAR..
" What a nice place that would be " unfortunately one or two bad apples always try to wreck it for everyone else. I'm staying at an awesome vacation resort in La Jolla and the pool sign clearly states NO GLASS but guess what someone always comes in and breaks a bottle accidentally in the pool or hot tube and the whole thing gets shut down. Not because the guy that made the pool is a bad person and not because of the 98% of the good people that follow the rules and don't bring glass into the pool area, and was just trying to have a good time on their vacation, but the one bad apple kills the whole thing for everyone. Rob Stinson is a fine man that has great ideas and is involved with great companies that have blessed many of families including my own.. If people want to believe that everything is a big scam that is up to them but 99.9 percent of the time it is the individual that is doing the complaining that is lazy, cheating, cutting corners, expecting something for nothing or they are going to push a magic button and they will be rich tomorrow.. If this doesn't happen for them, then they are off on a tangent calling the company and everyone in it a scammer..in fact many time i have seen these scam sites to be a huge scam for traffic as well. in 7 years i have seen most every trick in the book. If you look at a company and it looks to be working for a lot of people and hundreds of good families are have great success for over a year, then I would say that it is most likely something that could also make work well for you and most everyone else that is willing to apply themselves a little as I said in a earlier post. Talk to people on the phone a couple times and get to know them, find out if you have anything in common, see if it is someone you would like to do business with before you join with them. Make sure you are going to get the help that you want. Make sure you are getting the best value for your dollars. Some sponsors like myself offer, way over the top bonuses to join SFT with their group... Emails and text are the most impersonal and miss understood types of communication sometimes and in most cases not a good way to get to know someone. I suggest hit the bounces button or junk button and don't waste your time even talking about it. If you want to make a great living earning an awesome income from the Secret Formula Teleseminar (AKA ) Secret Formula Webinar or Pizza Box Formula I would highly suggest picking up the phone and talking with someone at length to get a good feel for the RELATIONSHIP you are getting involved with. Have an Awesome 2011

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Mark Sansom
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A new suspect scammer who goes by the name of "Mack" or "Big Mac" has been emailing me about several products including $10K DVD, Rod Stinson Pizza Box Formula, Secret Wealth Formula, and PWS (Premier Wealth System). After watching the Rod Stinson Pizza Box Formula, which asks you to send $1497 to your "inviter, " I decided to email my "inviter" (Mack) to ask a few questions... namely, what products are actually being sold. He replied back in a manner I found rude and, well, you can view the exchange below:

Email 1- I ask Mack two simple questions. This is what I said:

I've watched the webinar and am interested. But what is the actual product being purchased
for $1497? Also, are there any back end fees required to use the lead and prospecting
software or any other application?

Email 2 - Mack replies:

Weird that you missed it then (name), as Rod said that his Secret Formula Webinar promotes PWS (Premier Wealth System)...which is the company/program that his webinar promotes.

He also listed the products, here they are again:

(his website link)

-M

Email 3 - I reply, casually saying Mack came off as rude.

Why so rude, man?
You want people to send you $1497 but act testy when I ask a simple question?
By the way, Rod never says Premier Wealth Systems - only PWS.
He does not cover the products in depth or anything.
FYI - you may want to drop the rude "tone" when replying to emails.

Anyhow, have a blessed day.

Email 4 - Mack replies rudely again and kicked me off his list! [Did not care because I had already opted out]

I'm not dropping any tone (name). I have zero patience for people who ask questions that have already been answered (The video did not answer this).

I could care less if people (or you) send me $1497, I've got 9 businesses that do several million and do this as an extra income. The day I change myself for someone will be the day I tone it down...until then adios, don't join (no time for sensitive ppl) and I'll do us both a favor and remove you from my list now

Sent from my iPhone

Okay... so since when has asking a few basic questions in an email been such a hassle to a REAL BUSINESS PERSON? This guys behavior was unbelievable to me and I was just wondering if anyone else had a similar experience with this guy? I know this forum as a whole does not think to highly of Rod Stinson. Well, this is his running buddy and it is high time people learn not to be suckered by this arrogant suspect scammer.

Then, the next day...

Mack of $10K DVD and Rod Stinson Pizza Box Formula sent me this email this morning threatening legal action, and clearly illustrating he knows little about the law, while at the same time insinuating a threat.

Expect a cease and desist letter from my Attorney soon reference your slanderous remarks on Scam.com

Continue posting my (name)...you'll have a very tough time digging your way out of this one.

-M

As a person with a conventional business education and career I cannot express how utterly ridiculous the above statements are. Would you send a person like this $1497 using overnight mail...? Why would any credible business person treat a prospect as Mack has treated me? If you are considering giving away your money to this guy Mack look at my previous posts and make a wise, responsible decision.

To anyone out there considering joining up with this individual I would advise not doing so. He is clearly a suspect scammer or at best a really lousy business person... or maybe he is just a bad person. Stay away from these kinds of people and biz ops floating around on the internet, in your email, or that show up in your mailbox. God bless.

Rod Stinson Scammer is back? I had to come back for one little piece of information.. Many of you that are reading this right now may be seasoned marketers and some of you maybe new comers that have never really made a good income online before, either way I'm sure you would have to agree with the statements I made above..
Your only going to get as far as your belief system will take you. If you are not certain of yourself then you will apply yourself accordingly, and thats the kind of results you will get. It's a shame but very true that most people can not get the right mind set, there for never receiving the full potential of the products and services they're buying. The secret formula teleseminar [AKA] " Secret Formula Webinar" also now as the Pizza Box Formula by Rod Stinson because he engineered the idea of this cool formula on the back of a Pizza Box one day while enjoying some lunch on the balcony of he's beach front home. I'm here to tell you that it is a very complete system if used to it's full potential. If it was not a great system, I would venture to say that it would not be producing as many 6 figure earners that it is.. "RIGHT" Well I do have a News flash for you all about a person I think is a bit of a scammer and his name is Jamison Palmer.. Now I have no idea of his history and how successful he may have been in the past but I can say one thing that looks very off to me. If he has made the Millions of dollars that he has claimed to make then why in the world would he be stealing and copying the Secret Formula Teleseminar Program and turning it into his own little program? It is very clearly stated in the Rod Stinson Webinar that this is not to be duplicated, copied, re hash, etc... and that is exactly what jamison palmer has done.
His new company doesn't even have a name All he is doing is posting videos with
the Secret Formula Webinar claiming to give it away.. " STAY CLEAR OF THAT" it will only end up in a very bad story in my opinion.. But you should always follow your own gut feeling on what you should and should not do.. Enough of that for now LOL .. I wanted to close with, The Pizza Box Formula has been earning huge incomes for many people now for over one year and it seems to be only getting better everyday.. If you want a 7 year seasoned marketer on your side to walk you through all the proper steps to making this awesome system work to it's fullest potential then give me "Mark Sansom" a call first [protected] and I can give you a free tour of a software that I have that no one else has, that is worth $6000 .. in my experience the best marketing tools I have ever use ever.. I will show you how this can explode you PBF - SFW - business taking it to the top levels of earnings.
As my SUPER BONUS to you I will set you up with a Free Sub Account to get access to all of it's 2011 tools, software and training and much more.. Free websits, Free Facebook fanpage software, Free WP plugins, Free Give away software and products to help you build your list.. Etc... etc.. etc...
enjoy :-))
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-Mark Sansom

I would also like to add that the 200 valuable correct information videos on how to be a successful online marketer you get when you join the Secret Formula Teleseminar is not the only thing you get. You also get 3 well converting websites with tracking and analytics also with built in auto responders and pre written sales copy that is proven to convert. You also get the Software website with 30 more training videos with up to date information on how to be a successful phone broadcasting expert.. This also comes with the software and system that has a better price point then any other phone broadcasting system offered on the internet today anywhere. Trust me I have used them all and this is only 1.8 cents in 6 second intervals and it this is used correctly you can contact over 5000 people in less than a hour and have your phone literally "BLOW UP" Driving traffic to a website that could scorch a server. ;-)) http://FreeQualityLeads.com And that is not all... You also get free hosting for all 4 sites, yes FREE.. but wait theres more has ha LOL.. If you would have joined with me I have a Software suit that no one else even has that I offer to my people that makes the above look like Pee Wee Herman's play house.. It has over 17 softwares under on roof and login that has over 100 hours fresh 2011 marketing strategies . Here are just some of the softwares you would be using to make an enormous income online. Multi channel video creator and blaster, auto article poster, auto rss feed poster, auto blog poster, Multi Social Media Marketing suite and auto poster, research SEO software, Influence Engine web report analyzer software, Mini web site building software that is silo structured to get you on the front page on google every time if you do it right. Splash Page Creator software, SEO video Creating software, Monster follow up system software that includes text messaging follow up, voice message follow up, mobile marketing tools for mobile campaigns advertising with basic to expert training, and a lot more etc... So as you can clearly see that the Sectret Formula Teleseminar
(AKA) Pizza Box Formula or Secret Formula Webinar by Rod Stinson can be an amazing income and help for achieving huge success online with your very own home bases business getting payed $1, 497 checks over and over again multiple checks a week if you have the right MIND SET, and MENTOR with all the extra bonus software and training experience. I also offer Financing for the Secret Formula Teleseminar so a person can get started with no money out of pocket because I pay your financing down payment for you.. hows that for putting you money where your mouth is. :-)) See you at the top my friends.

" Live Everyday Like It's A Vacation "

Mark Sansom
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http://PizzaBoxFormulaFinancing.com

Well I only think of one thing when I here a comment such as this about the Secret Formula Teleseminar.. People most of the time are not Scammed but usually have a lack of knowledge or effort to find out what they are really getting enveloped with in the first place.. There is one thing for curtain that i have learned and learned well over the last 7 years I have been On line and that is you will find no push button million dollar free ride out there anywhere ever ( Period) ... and all the information in the world will get you anywhere unless you apply some effort in getting something done. Fran Kern has made $22 million dollars in a 24hr period by selling information products for as much as $3000 and more for a membership. Shall I say that there is nothing on the net that you could not find some sort of duplicate of it somewhere.. Time is money and if you have 10, 000 hours to sift thru the net for the next 7 years to learn what I know be my guest but if you want to pay to play as I do, you can get much further and have way more results much faster with bigger ROI following the proven system used by successful people that are already earning great money. Secret Formula Teleseminar is no exception to the rules. The Products and services that are offered when you purchase the Pizza Box Formula system (AKA) Secret Formula Teleseminar are very valuable to anyone that will apply it to what they are doing.. and actually do the work. there is a million people on line making a million dollars a year and a new one is born everyday. Guess what! They are all using the same old over hashed, passed around information because it simply works, "If it works don't fix it" That all being said you will get different result from the Secret Formula Telesemiinar depending on who you join with.. " WHY " because some people offer better software, have better experience, better training, more help, better ideas, and the list goes on and on and on etc... I have had many people rejoin the Secret Formula Teleseminar a second time just to get a hold of my software and training. " IT SIMPLY WORKS " So in closing I would like to say sorry you feel that you got Scammed by the pizza Box Formula but I would have to say that there are why to many people that are making huge incomes with this system " ME FOR ONE " and hundreds of others that I think you just don't understand what you have here or the person that brought you in did not give you the support and training you need to succeed. The System, The sales page, The products and training videos are great and convert very well, if you use the system correctly and know how to market online or off line for that matter. Just the fact that I found this complaint by you shows me that article marketing works great, you just left the wrong message thats all. If you want to learn how to make money online then give me a call and I will show you all the tools and training to make you a succesful Secret Formula Teleseminar GURU faster than you would imagine..

To You Success my friend :-))

" Live Everyday Like It's A Vacation "

Mark Sansom
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http://SimpleEZincome.com
http://3497Daily.com
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