@ My3cents is dead - Your weak argument falls apart in the face of the fact that God has already passed judgment and condemned homosexuality and the practitioners of it. Your misuse and misappropriation of Scripture is almost as laughable as your misuse and misappropriation of the concept of hypocrisy.
Intelligent beings reject homosexuality precisely because they understamd it and have studied the history and effects of it. I have posed this question many times - Of what use is homosexuality?
Phobia is a fear of. Very few people actually fear homosexuals. Bigotry is not illegal. You are showing bigotry yourself. Answer me - Of what use is homosexuality? It is against God, nature, and is detrimental to society as has been borne out throughout the ages. Of what use is it in and to the world? Homosexuals use all kinds of excuses and weak reasoning to justify themselves, much like rapists and child molesters do.
A gmail address would have been a red flag.
You are deflecting. Of what use is homosexuality in the world? No one I have posed this question to has been able to answer it, not even learned, intellectual homosexuals I have asked. They too deflect, bluster, then try to argue other points before falling silent when redirected. It is a simple enough question. What is the answer?
Feel free to add yourself to the list of stupid, reply1987.
Actually, from scientific, geologic, and archeological evidence, the preponderence of evidence is more strongly in favor of Biblical accountings. Again - Of what use is homosexuality?
I think one shouldn't assume what someone believes or disbelieves. As a reasonable person I know that when one assumes things, they make an ### out of U and ME. Contrary to poular belief, from an educated perspective, love does not make the world go round, pretty picture that it is.
Love is not the answer to the question. That is not a "use" for homosexuality. Belief systems are important, and should not be set aside unless they are proven detrimental to the believer or new evidence surfaces that warrants reexaming those beliefs. Setting aside one's beliefs does not solve problems, it is best to acknowledge one's beliefs and challenge them if necessary, but never discount one for having different beliefs. Agree to disagree if one side or the other cannot be convinced or swayed, as it were. I have no personal animosity towards homosexuals themselves, I do hold prejudice against the practice of it. Having studied the subject and homosexuals, and the psychology of homosexuality extensively, I know homosexuality does not work.
Let us go back to these first two verses of Genesis. The first verse already tells God created the heaven and the earth. Now, many people read this as a kind of summary of the remainder of Genesis 1. However, one can also read this as follows:
First, God creates heaven and earth.
Then, something happens. The text does not tell us what happens.
After this has happened, the earth is without form - chaos, darkness.
Then, the text tells us that the Spirit of God visits this chaos, and how God turns the chaos in something good.
So, in this explanation, the seven days of creation are not the first creation: they are a later creation. I think that God does not create chaos: if He creates something, it is good. So, after the first creation of heaven and earth, something has happened that made that the earth was no longer as God meant it to be. This may - but that is only speculation - have been the downfall of the devil/Satan and the angels that were cast from heaven with him. Or it may have been the meteorite impact that scientist conjecture that has taken place. Or, it may have been both of these. Or something else. In any case: something has happened that turned Gods first good creation into something chaotic, but we are not told in the text what it exactly was. Then, Genesis tells that God made the chaos into the world of which God saw that it was good.
With this interpretation of Genesis 1: 1-2, one cannot tell from the Bible how old the earth is. This is not a problem, as the Bible is no science book, but a book of faith.
To further expand 9 And then I must go, dinner engagement)
Young earth biblical creationists believe the earth is 6, 000 to 12, 000
years old, they think that the ages determined by radioactive dating of
specimens are incorrect and they quote examples of errors in individual
dating attempts in support of this view.
Old earth biblical creationists accept the age of the earth estimated by
geologists at around 4, 500 million years.
Many biblical creationists believe that God created the earth but do not
think that the time scale of the creation process is important.
[3] Does the bible tell us how old the earth is?
[A] No. There are passages in both the Old Testament and the New Testament
that immediately follow a discussion of creation with the statement that a
day to the Lord is as a thousand years.
From the Old Testament,
"A prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, you have been our dwelling-place
throughout all generations. Before the mountains were born or you brought
forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are
God. You turn men back to dust, saying, "Return to dust, O sons of men."
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by,
or like a watch in the night." [Psalm 90:1-4]
From the New Testament, Saint Peter writes:
"But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens
existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these
waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same
word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for
the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this
one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and
a thousand years are like a day." [2 Peter 3:5-8]
So, according to the use of the word day in the bible, the separate phases
of creation described in the first book of the bible need not be literal
days as we now use the word day. The phrase "and there was evening and
morning" is used after each day in the Genesis account and this indicates
to some that they were literal days, however the phrase is used after each
of the first three days of creation and the fourth day of creation records
the creation of the sun so it is difficult to see how evening and morning
as we now use the words could have occurred without the sun. It seems
likely in the opinion of this writer that the "evening and morning"
phrases refer to interludes in the creation process when no new creation
was taking place.
Equality among people does not mean ignoring or excusing disease and/or misbehavior among people. The easiest way to determine is something is right or wrong is to look at the consequences of the action(s) by a person or groups of people.
In the case of Homosexuals, they do have the same rights as everyone else does... to marry people of the opposite sex... what they are asking for is special rights due to their unique sexual actions.
Now, beware if we start going down "that" road of giving special groups extra rights for their choice of actions (yes their choice)... because then who is next demanding special rights? Pedophiles, bigamists... who is next?
Where do we separate what is correct and not, what is healthy and what is not, what is psychological sound and what is not… specially now that the political machinery of these Gender Identity Disorder pathological people have lied and B.S. their way into conning many of you into seeing them as a benign life style, or "that they have no choices"… (Gender Identity Disorder the genesis of homosexuality in children, looking up)
You see, the more we get away from what is normal and start embracing abnormality, the more society will be twisted and abnormal, plus you have just opened a can of worms...
By the way, homosexuality and (for example) other things like race are not the same… there are plenty of ex-homosexuals, yes gays do go back and become straight… but we ALL have yet to see a single African American being an ex-African American…
It is an insult to black people when their struggle for equality due to their race is compared with the gays push for extra rights due to their twisted sexual practices.
Homosexuals are not born that way… proof? Read on…
One Example of the psychology studies proving the genesis of homosexuality not being genetic is what is known in the psychological world as the recent large "Twin Studies" in Sweden and the Netherlands.
The studies found that in identical twins, when one brother or sister is homosexual, only about 10% of the other identical twin brother or sister is homosexual as well, which proves homosexuality not to be genetic, that homosexuals/gender identity disorder individuals are not born that way.
If homosexuality had been genetic then in identical twins (who are 100% genetically identical) if one is a homosexual then logic dictate that both should have been 100% homosexual as well! But that is not the case... ONLY 10% of the time both are homosexuals! In the rest of the other 90% left, one is homosexual and the other one is NOT, and this shows that something AFTER their birth causes homosexuality to happen to one but not the other.
And what is left after birth...? Their experiences during upbringing!
Simple facts, how many people remember in detail what a typical day was for them at one and a half year old, or what life was like for them for example at two or three years old? Do you? Not most people!
In addition to this, childhood memories are retained or not depending on how good or not life is for the child especially early childhood memories, which are linked to how a child is being treated. Memory studies have found that children with good upbringing are more likely to have more memories of their childhood than children that were mistreated and/or abused. But overall, most people do not remember early childhood well, a critical time in their lives when the foundations of who they will be as adults are being laid down and cemented in their minds.
And so you do have most homosexuals saying "I have been/felt homosexual as far as I can remember...", well the answer to that is clear given the information on memory retention from the previous paragraph.
Homosexuals are victims of dysfunctional families, and in many cases horrible things done to them, and in the end it is all psychological, as proven in the book "What Nature Intended, Six Factors Demonstration Homosexuality to be a Dysfunction".
Several distinct types of abuses and/or family dysfunctions result in homosexuality, including the saddest cases involving abuses and/or mistreatments by caretakers from about less than a year old to up to early childhood that the mind of the homosexual have chosen to forget and/or bury deep inside of them.
Remember a child at birth is a "clean slate" only wired with very basic circuitry (cry when hungry, poop, sleep, etc), even the vision and the eyes are still forming, cycles are being established... the caregiver have a HUGE responsibility perhaps the biggest responsibility ANY person has on the planet: to take care PROPERLY of that new born and to raise her/him properly and without abuse!
Many people sadly fail miserably in this task, hence all the misadjusted adult individuals (in reality victims) in society today, and all of those adults/victims are paying the consequences with their own misadjusted lives the wrongs done to them as children, and even as early as babies.
Like the saying goes: "You need a license to drive, you need a license to fish... but any A-hole can be a parent"!
As for homosexuality not being in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual today, well the answer is simple. In 1973 Homosexuality was removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual after immense POLITICAL pressure by the liberals on the timid scientists and doctors, who were unprepared for fighting the liberal political machinery of the liberal 1970's and even today. Many scientists and psychologists complained, including Ronald Bayer, PhD, who taught 14 years as Professor at the Center for the History and Ethics of Public Health in the Department of Sociomedical Sciences at the Columbia University and wrote about this removal in his book "Homosexuality and American Psychiatry":
"Instead of being engaged in a sober consideration of
data, psychiatrists were swept up in a political controversy. The
American Psychiatric Association had fallen victim to the
disorder of a tumultuous era, when disruptive conflicts
threatened to politicize every aspect of American social life. A
furious egalitarianism that challenged every instance of
authority had compelled psychiatric experts to negotiate the
pathological status of homosexuality with homosexuals
themselves. The result was not a conclusion based on an
approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but
was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of
the times..."
As for the question of is homosexuality detrimental or not to the individuals and society, well a simple search into the consequences of the homosexual act and practices give a very clear answer.
Homosexuality is no longer contained behind closed doors Ellen. A lifestyle IS a choice. The style of life one chooses to live is just that, a choice. Many gay people have chosen NOT to live that lifestyle.
Transgenders are gay. They are only "straight" in their mentally ill minds.
We all have instincts we don't act on Ellen. Instincts are not all nature. Instinct can be programmed and learnt. Ricky Martin did not have to marry. If he preferred at the time to remain closeted he could have kept up the image of bachelor playboy. What he did by marrying was despicable on his part. I advocate early intervention and intense therapy for the illness of homosexuality, and certainly advocate the suppression of an unnatural lifestyle, just as I would advocate the alcoholic or drug addict to abstain and seek help.
There are many who claim ( even psychologists) that children are sexual creatures, that is their "instincts" and that having mutually consensual sex with a child should be allowed, as well as with animals that exhibit sexual want of humans.
trans·gen·der
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noun
1.
a person appearing or attempting to be a member of the opposite sex, as a transsexual or habitual cross-dresser.
There are gay gay activists who openly admit the "lifestyle" is not normal or healthy, there are many former gay psychs, activists, and practitioners who have reversed their positive stance on homosexuality. The homosexual's gay movement and their allies are in a deep denial. And the sad thing is that this denial state is not unique, in many ways homosexuals are very similar to smokers or alcoholics, many of whom also choose to live in denial of the detrimental consequences of their life style. They rather destroy society instead of face their problem, they choose to run away from, ignore and even attack the tons and tons of data that practically screams at them saying, hey, you have a problem! They rather live in denial rather than confront their ownselves, to look honestly at their lives and see the sad reality of their psychological dysfunction.
You see, (for anyone) to live in denial of a problem in their life is NOT the answer, all that does is cover the issue, it does not make it go away. And for homosexuals, no matter who much they brainwash the population into seeing them as a benign “life style” the reality is that homosexuality costs everyone dearly. From society having to pay more and more money to treat medical issues that can be prevented in the first place, to the homosexuals themselves, whose lives are at stake every day due to their incorrect and unhealthy sexual practices (see Detriments of Homosexuality section). The answer is for them to analyze their lives and correct what they are doing wrong.
Someone already had come to this conclusion thousands of years ago, the great Greek philosopher Socrates (469–399 B.C.E.) said that the biggest endeavor for a person in life is to “TRULY know thyself” or what he called, to have an Analyzed Life, he wrote: "...The unexamined life is not w
Proof? History has proven it.
Sexual and gender identity disorders - transvestic disorder ( cross-dressing) (formerly “transvestic fetishism”) is in the DSM-V, only with a rather unusual twist of logic: if the crossdressing does not cause significant distress, it is no longer an illness. It is still a paraphilia, but the DSM-V drafting committee invented the fancy, new word “paraphilic disorder” for those whose paraphilia does cause distress.
Great civilizations that fully embrace homosexuality don’t last much longer. Rep. Kern, a state lawmaker from Oklahoma City, has been the center of a firestorm after she made some absolutely truthful statements about the danger of homosexuality. Of course, radical homosexuals like Ellen Degeneres (degenerate?) and liberal newspapers like the Tulsa World have twisted her words to attack her credibility. It doesn’t matter because truth is truth whether they choose to believe it or not.
Did homosexuality cause Rome to fall? No, it can’t be listed as the only factor in the demise of the Roman Empire. But Sally Kern never made that statement. Here’s my take – rampant homosexuality was a symptom of the moral decay of the Roman Empire that led to its eventual collapse. I’m not the only one who takes that theory. Edward Gibbon, in his 18th century book Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, the first systematic history of the later Empire, points to homosexuality as a cause of the fall of Rome.
A lot of comparisons have been drawn between ancient Rome and modern America.
Dr. Carle Zimmerman in 1947 wrote a book called Family and Civilization. He studies the decline of several civilizations and empires. He discovered eight patterns of domestic behavior that signaled the decline of a civilization:
1. The breakdown of marriage and rise of divorce.
2. The loss of the traditional meaning of the marriage ceremony.
3. The rise of Feminism.
4. Increased public disrespect for parents and authority in general.
5. Acceleration of juvenile delinquency, promiscuity and rebellion.
6. Refusal of people with traditional marriages to accept their family responsibilities.
7. A growing desire for and acceptance of adultery.
8. Increasing interest in and spread of sexual perversions (homosexuality) and sex-related crimes.
See any parallels in modern America? Maybe we should be listening to Rep. Kern a little more carefully. Every historian – even modern homosexual revisionists – admit that Rome was riddled with homosexuals. Hadrian, one of the best emperors, traveled the empire with a youthful lover, Antinous. Caligula and Nero were accused of having sex with just about anyone or anything. Here’s another historical fact. Rampant homosexuality among the upper classes in Rome led to a decline in the birth rate among aristocrats and reduced the pool of leadership manpower. In the fifth century AD, Rome was a mess. Germanic Goths overran the Northeastern Roman border in 406.
Other non-Christian tribes - Vandals, Franks, Burgundians, Lombards, Visigoths, and Ostro-goths –posed serious threats to external Roman security. Rome’s internal problems made a unified response impossible. In 410 AD, Alaric led the Visigoths into Rome and the city was taken for the first time in 1, 000 years.
The Western Roman Empire fell again to the Vandals in AD 455, and again in AD 476, when Germanic tribes over-ran it. Rome was riddled with pederasty (literally “boy-love”), which refers to an intimate relationship between a boy and an adult male outside his family.
Every major religion in the world – including Islam – condemns homosexual behavior. In “peaceful” Muslim countries, practicing homosexuals are often killed.
Homosexuality is condemned in the Old Testament in Leviticus 20:13 and in the New Testament in Romans 1. In Matthew, male and female relationships are the only sexual relationships allowed by Jesus (Matthew 19:4-6).
But homosexuality is not the core issue. The real issue is when a nation turns its back on God. If you study scripture, you understand that the sin of homosexuality is as bad as promiscuity, fornication, prostitution, bestiality and any sexual activity apart from holy matrimony between one man and one woman.
This is hedonism, which places personal pleasure above any concept of right or wrong. So, modern homosexuals are rejecting God’s plan for righteous fulfillment of a God-given sex drive and replacing it for a “if it feels good, do it, ” philosophy. And homosexuality, like prostitution, bestiality, etc., is a destructive lifestyle. It always damages those who get caught up in it.
Homosexual men rarely have monogamous relationships. That greatly increases the risk of disease from their unnatural acts.
A homosexual publication printed the following statistics:
• 24 percent of homosexual men had more than 100 partners.
• 43 percent of homosexual men had more than 500 partners.
• 28 percent of homosexual men had more than 1, 000 partners.
A study by the Journal of Sex Research showed that only 2.7 percent of the 2, 583 older homosexuals surveyed claimed to have sex with only one partner.
The risk of anal cancer for homosexual men rises by an amazing 4, 000 percent and doubles again for those who are HIV positive. According to the Centers for Disease Control, homosexual men are a thousand times more likely to contract AIDS than the general male heterosexual population.
If your risk of being killed by a terrorist rose by 4, 000 percent, you would probably take steps to stop it. So, when you place homosexuality in the context of a move away from God’s morality to selfishness and licentiousness, it suddenly does become more dangerous than a terrorist with a bomb in a subway. Sally was right. The homosexuals, including those who sent her death threats, are dead wrong. If America continues down a path of rejection of God’s standards, we will suffer the same fate as Rome.
I had Ricky confused with another singer, thanks for catching that Ellen. It is better to not marry if one is a practicing homosexual. Where do you get hate from? Having an opposing view that does not jibe with homosexual's or their supporters views equates hate? Where is the tolerance, open-mindedness, and compassion for those who are opposed to homosexuality? I dislike the fact that a low-income housing complex was bult down the street from me, what do i dislike about it? It brought more crime, violence, and drugs to my neighborhood. Do I hate the low-income people? No. Do I dislike what their presence brought to my neighborhood?
You are mistaken about the homosexual being only a risk of killing his partner. You also have no grasp of the politics involved in removing homosexuality as a mental illness from the DSM. That remains a great controversy.
I believe what Squib's was conveying is yes, we know that and coming from someone like cookie who preofesses to not believe in God, for her to try to spout Scripture, on a religion or belief that she is not well acquainted with or at all, is absurd. Kind of like telling the fish the water is wet.
Had he rejected the entire plate you might have gotten more compensation. You can contact corporate but you're likely to receive useless coupons comping or substantially discounting a meal, useless because you swear you won't be returning.
And what has your useful contribution to the conversation been?
