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Good Evening, my name is Brenda Piggott and I'm a co-owner with my husband Murray of Ohnaturel Sphynx Cattery. We would like to address some of the alleged allegations that have been posted by Toni Dually. Yes we sold her a male Sphynx kitten with breeding rights under a kitten back sales contract which Ms Dually agreed to and returned signed on Nov 19 2019. ( A copy of said contract is available for viewing if required). Before this Ms Dually expressed that she was also looking for a Sphynx queen that could be bred back to our kitten. Since we were not as well versed as to which catteries had quality kittens with complimentary bloodlines we referred her to our mentor who has years of experience to help find her a quality queen. Our mentor was made aware of a breeder in the Ukraine that had quality cats and so happen to have a breeding rights female kitten for sale. Toni was advised and she confirmed that yes she wanted this kitten. While negotiations were being made on the female kitten it was brought to our attention that the male litter mate to the female was also available. At this juncture we said we would be interested in obtaining him. It was agreed by all parties involved that for ease of transport and customs that both kittens would be put in my husbands name and sent to us thereby saving both parties shipping costs. Toni was in agreement with this as not only would it cut her shipping fees on the female, but on our male who would be ready two weeks later. At that time it was also explained to her that both kittens from the Ukraine would have to be quarantined. When bringing any new cat/ kitten into a cattery it is protocol to quarantine them before exposing them to the rest of the cattery. Yes we said 3 weeks; two weeks quarantine and one week to be introduced to our male kitten before shipping. As it was the quarantine ended on a Thursday and the kittens flown out on the Monday. As for the allegation of overcharging for her female. Please refer to the attached reply from the breeder in the Ukraine. Nothing else needs to be said on that matter. In regards to her female cats registration papers, she has them. All she has to do is contact TICA with the breeder slip SBT number and get the cat transferred. Ms Dually does not appear to understand the protocol of cat registration and we have suggested she call TICA herself and they would be happy to walk her through. Again we have the proof of when the request was originally remitted to TICA and subsequence follow ups, which we will gladly supply if requested. She has put our male kitten up for sale which breaches our contract. She does not own the kitten nor is he paid in full. When advised that she has a signed contract with us, she responded with "I don't have a contract with you. You don't have my legal name or legal address. " We have the written proof which we can supply. This speaks volumes, as to this persons' character. Ms Dually has bombarded us with abusive threatening emails and texts accusing us of being liars, thieves, scammers, etc. She refuses to speak over the telephone. She listed our male on Kijiji (we have a copy of this ad and will supply.) saying she is selling him as a pet with no papers and can be neutered, or you can breed him by contacting the breeder and pay more and they will give you the papers. All this without our permission which again speaks volumes. I could keep going but space is limited. If more proof is required we would be happy to supply. One last point in regards to our ad which includes our male kitten from the Ukraine. Please see copy of the post where I requested permission to use her pictures and her response. These matters have all been addressed with the RCMP and has been referred to a lawyer. Thanks for hearing us out.
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Okay, I have no horse in this race, other than I adore sphynx cats, and your original post intrigued me. This has been like following a soap opera. So, I have questions for both sides of this story. For Toni, you say you've been breeding dogs for years. When you read (I hope you read) the contract and saw that there was no guarantee as to the health of the cat other than wormer and shots, why did you sign the damned thing? And as a dog breeder, number one rule is always allow your prospective buyer see the parents of the animal. That doesn't mean you have to let them come in personal.contact with them due to contamination concerns, but the buyer should be given the option to view them live so as to demonstrate their physical health and well being. At least that's the way it is here in the U.S. For example, we recently adopted a purebred siberian husky, we were allowed to see the parents from another room and see mom's interaction with her pups. Why weren't these red flags for you BEFORE you signed the stupid contract? By the way, the condition of returning the animal to the breeder in the event that you can no longer care for them or no longer decide to keep them for any reason, they be returned to the breeder with no recompense is a very common practice in the States. So I don't find that to be too surprising. And remember, YOU agreed to those terms when you signed the contract.
My question for you, Brenda, why did you have your Ukranian contact put both cats in your name? Did you ask Toni to pretend not to be the recipient of the female cat? The biggest question, why do you not allow prospective buyers to see your dame and sire? That seem counterproductive to keeping a good reputation in the breeding world.
Thanks for answering in advance. I truly hope that you can settle this without the the courts intervention. I will say this, if either of you are practicing any shady business, involving the courts could backfire very quickly and end in you having your homes raided and your animals confiscated by your local version of the Humane Society. We don't take kindly to puppy and kitten mills.
All I have to say is buyer beware these people are good at what they do and that's not being honest and selling bad bloodlines with hcm. I am not a cat breeder so I am not doing this for any other reason but to warn good people about a bad cattery 2 of them actually theirs a whole group of them breeding these bad bloodlines knowing it. Please read all the above its very sad that they get away with this. Oh by the way lori lauren milbanks has not been breeding sphynx for 40 years she has been breeding all kinds of cats so another lie of hers to suck in the new buyers. Before you buy ask around go on the bad cattery group on face book before buying a cat and google them really good. When you see complaints like this just run as fast as you can.
I also contacted DR Kim about these catteries and she doesn't know them and more than any other cattery They lie about every thing its terrible PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT BUY FROM THESE CATTERIES YOU WILL BE SORRY AND LOSE A LOT OF MONEY AND GET A SICK CAT, I also spoke to one of Lori Lauren vets in BC and he confirmed that my male cats parents have produced kittens with Heart murmurs more than one time. They had 3 kittens in one litter from Lastat and Georgia with heart murmurs and all probable will have HCM. I am in the process of suing these losers and also am making a move to BC and will be confronting both of them soon.
I would also like to point out that Dr. Kim Hawkes does not see anyone from BareNaked Babies (Lauren), BareNaked Genes (Bonnie) or Murray they all lie about seeing her I have contacted the clinic myself they know who they are for lying about seeing them but they will never provide a proof of HCM scan because there is not one to be seen.
I would like to know Bonnie (BareNaked Genes) where is Casper? Did he die of HCM ? He is Bruisers dad and now all of a sudden he is no longer in your program and no mention of him being put in a pet home Lauren sold you a sick cat with HCM admit it as Casper was from Lauren.
I also want to address the fact that Murray was very aware that I was going threw a legal name change and that it had not been finished at time of signing the contract. I asked him if he wanted me to sign with my legal name or the name I was changing to he said the new name so he was very aware that I didn't sign with my legal name and i didn't hide it i do have the email about it. They tried to twist this to make me look bad. Also please post the threats etc you claim im doing Id love to see it. Or is it just a person reacting to being scammed out of 3000 and also papers for my female cat that never belonged to them but is in his name. HMMM
I wanted to tell my story and although it’s an old one (2016) and I no longer have any proof (deleted it all and moved on) I still thought it would be important to get my story out there as these people Lauren Milbank, Bonnie Charron & Murray Piggot all continue to scam people.
My name is Coriena Dickson in 2016 I bought a female cat named Sphynx cat named Luna & a male Sphynx cat named Orion (Bruiser) from BareNaked Genes (Bonnie Charron). I bought Luna as a pet for $1500 CAD and later paid another $1000 CAD for her breeding rights so I paid $2500 CAD for Luna. I also bought a male with full breeding rights but because he was odd eyed I had to pay $6000 CAD for him and also owed the breeder Bonnie Charron of BareNaked Genes a kitten of her choice from his litter.
Once I had both of the cats in my care I had asked Bonnie to send me over the TICA paperwork for Orion (Bruiser) but she told me that I would only get them once I gave her the kitten I owned her. This was not agreed upon before buying the cats I was supposed to receive the TICA BSN slip the day I picked him up. I was clearly upset and started to ask more questions that I should have asked before buying the cats such as proof of HCM scans for my cats parents. Bonnie told me they had not been done yet and she will get them done this coming month.
I waited and asked again she came up with more excuses and then I had asked to use her male Casper which was Orion’s dad to use as a Stud for my female Luna. Once I brought him to my house I was disgusted with his condition he was not only filthy he was severely underweight he was scared of everything and he ate as if he was being starved. I cleaned him up over the weekend that he was there and brought him back to Bonnie the mating was unsuccessful. When I brought him back she brought me downstairs to show me where the kittens and other cats were staying I was APPALLED 😮 they were all living in tiny little ferret cages in a cold basement with no windows they barely had heat or access or clean water and fresh food. I was heartbroken but I kept my mouth shut.
I got home and I called Bonnie and confronted her about the condition of her cats and her cattery I was just in shock and very upset that I gave this lady so much money. Again I asked when will these HCM scans be done she got defensive and told me it’s not important right now there are no signs of HCM and I don’t need to prove anything to you. She threatened to never provide me with my TICA papers for my male and threatening to take away the TICA papers for my female. Then she started demanding money over and over again because Orion was the only kitten in his litter to survive and she was going to
Keep him so she increased his price yet again. I finally said enough is enough I’m not paying any more for these cats.
Then she got Lauren Milbank involved her mentor her buddy her BFF and all [censored] hit the fan I was getting threats on a daily basis pay the money or we will take your cats back etc etc and you will loose everything.
I ended up selling Luna to a guy named Murray for $1200 CAD who I now know is connected to Bonnie & Lauren he is just another one of their breeding pack. Later I sold my male to yet another person connected to the crew for $3500 CAD.
Then I get a call from Lauren of Bare Naked Babies telling me how she won and that now the cats are back to thier rightful owner Bonnie Charron of Bare Naked Genes.
I was bullied into paying crazy amounts of money for both these cats that I ended up getting pretty much stolen from me in the end and then thrown in my face.
Bonnie, Lauren & Murray have no remorse for their actions not one of them HCM scans even though they say they do because I have called the Cardiologist and they have said they have never scanned their cats they know who they are only because of the fact they lie about scanning with them.
All Lauren’s little puppet catteries need to be SHUT DOWN and if you are ever looking for a Sphynx cat make sure to see HCM scans done within the year for your kittens parents and call the vet to confirm and if you are a breeder you are best off to get cats outside of Canada because ALL western Canada is infested with Lauren’s HCM producing kitten mill practice.
They are all in it for the money the don’t care about the cats they only care about how big their bank account is.
Sorry it doubled again lol
I would like to address something else that Brenda said is that they still on the cat. I would really like to know how they go about with this kind of thinking when I have paid $3000 cash for a pet cat which is $1000 over there pet price. The cat is going to be neutered so I am out all of my money and have to put out more money for neutering. But yet they say that I cannot sell the cat but they won’t give me any money back so what are they saying that I should just give them a $3000 cat back for free? That is exactly what they are trying to do they have also blocked me on Kijiji I would like to address something else that Brenda said is that they still own the cat. I would really like to know how they go about with this kind of thinking when I have paid $3000 cash for a pet cat which is $1000 over their pet price. The cat is going to be neutered so I am out all of my money and have to put out more money for neutering. But yet they say that I cannot sell the cat but they won’t give me any money back so what are they saying that I should just give them a $3000 cat back for free? That is exactly what they are trying to do they have also blocked me on Kijiji so I can’t even try to get any of my money back by selling him. They act like they have full rights to the cat when I have already paid well over his pet price you’ll be the judge. I also did ask them to refund me $1000 telling them I would neuter the cat and find him a pat home but they refused to answer me. I told him I would not talk to them on the phone because all they do is get very loud and try to push over my voice so this is why I will not speak on the phone. They treat me like I’m some kind of kid and I am a 61-year-old woman that’s been around the breeding world for a long time. I am just not a pushover person and I don’t think they were expecting that when they added me to their little group of Followers of Lori Lauren mill banks. But I refuse to breed those bloodlines and that is why I don’t want the cat.
This is what I got with the cat as you can see the contract is only about them getting more money nothing to guarantee me against Hcm and the so-called health certificate guarantee is all about them getting the kitten back for free if I can’t keep it unbelievable. Notice also no address on either contract just general delivery so nobody can find them. When I start breeding people will be coming to my home to pick up their kittens they will not be allowed in my cattery but they will be allowed in my home and certain protocols will be taken like washing their hands removing their shoes and not being allowed to touch other kittens except for their own. They will also have a proper health guarantee against Hcm and other cat illnesses and the kitten will also be seeing a veterinarian before it leaves my home. I also will show any proof of health testing on all of my animals when I am asked for it and their pedigrees unlike Lori Millbanks who screamed her head off at me because I posted her pedigrees on my website not knowing that she had something to hide I’m still not sure what it was maybe just doesn’t want everybody to know that she is still breeding these very badly Hcm infested bloodlines. That’s the only thing I can think of besides her story that if I post her pedigrees all kinds of breeders will attack me LOL These people also lied to the breeder in the Ukraine and told her that my cat was for Murray for some reason they felt they couldn’t be honest about that either that’s why the cat ended up in Murray’s name. I did not do it so they ended up trying to charge me more money to change the name back to my name when it was them who caused it in the first place. There’s always some thing they are trying to do to get money out of you and as far as them keeping my cat extra time I just wish they would’ve told me upfront that’s all I was saying not that I shouldn’t pay for the cat staying there but it wasn’t something they told me in the beginning so I could prepare for the extra hundreds of dollars they charged me. Also I’m just wondering why they will not show me any Hcm scans that Have been done on this Cats parents.? I have asked for them several times and any other health testing so from what it says on their website they are this big Hcm scanning cattery that does this every year but yet they will not show you any proof when I bought three other cats from the Ukraine and Russia every breeder showed me there Hcm scans and health testing for the parents of the kittens I bought. It’s not a secret it should be open to the public especially potential buyers when you’re spending thousands and thousands of dollars.
Here are my contracts like I said above doesn’t look like they care about the buyer it’s all about them getting more money when I breed the cat why would I give them more money now when I am not going to use him for breeding but they are still trying to say they own him because I bought him for breeding LOL he is going to be getting neutered right away so why would I give them another $2000 it’s ridiculous they are so money hungry it’s very sad. Read my contracts and read my health guarantee the one with the vaccine stickers it is not a guarantee at all and they haven’t even health checked my kitten before it came didn’t listen to his heart or anything and they sold it to me for breeding very on reputable. Also I definitely have not bombarded their email with abusive threatening letters at all let’s see them. And as far as the RCMP go they would have called me by now if they would’ve made a complaint that is just more baloney. I also told him to go ahead because I would love to tell the police my story. They sold me a cat that carries HCM for breeding that’s what it boils down to and I want my money back but because they are so on reputable I know it will never happen I just don’t want anybody else to be scammed into the same thing. When they first start talking to you they make you feel like you should feel like you are so special that they are letting you into their little group. It is such a con rate from the beginning making you believe that their bloodline Are the best. Also Murray bringing up that Lauren Lori whoever she is has 40 years of breeding experience and like I said my letter that doesn’t mean anything. It’s just the way they use to sell more kittens. It’s pretty sad actually all of this when they probably could be really good cat breeders but they had to turn it into something dirty because they got money hungry. I will post my contracts on the next comment I’m having a hard time adding them. If you do have any questions you can call me or text me and also a couple other people that are willing to speak to potential buyers we just don’t want to see anybody else get taken because it’s a lot of money they’re making it and we are all losing it.
Sorry my message above doubled it self I must’ve pressed something LOL
Of course these people the Milbanks group have come back with wonderful ways to try make me look bad but they are just very good at what they do I am not going to keep going back-and-forth I will continue with my complaint with the Better Business Bureau I have not lied about anything I have shown my proof as well they are just good at defending themselves because this is not the first time they have had to do this. Please watch for other people‘s comments that will be coming soon they have ripped off and scamed so many people I have lost track. The cat belongs to me I paid $3000 for him I do not intend to breed him so therefore I do not owe them any more money. Their pet price kittens are $2000 and since he is going to be neutered they should refund me at least $1000 and that’s what I asked for in the beginning none of this would’ve happened if they were reputable breeders but because they don’t care what they breed and cats that carry HCM I am now stuck with this kitten and I’m losing $3000. I have no intentions of using this cat because I am better than that and I do not want to become breeders like them. They can write all they want here it doesn’t matter the truth is coming out and they just don’t like it so they’ve got to write something that makes themselves look better and like they are the ones telling the truth. They are a little group of people that all sell the same bloodlines they do a lot of inbreeding and they all stick up for each other so that’s what they are doing here buyers just beware be smart if A breeder does not allow you to their house to see where your kitten is born and they have a closed cattery that is a huge red flag. They take you to strange places and meet you trying to say that it’s because they don’t want to infect her cattery. There are all kinds of protocols you can take to make sure that that doesn’t happen they just don’t want anybody to see what they are really doing. Just the other day I had another lady contact me about the shady business that Lori Lauren Milbanks Has done again. I did not post my complaint on here for any other reason but to warn people about the shady business that these people do once they get your money they are done with you. And they treat you terrible to while you are being mentored by them LOL meanwhile they are trying to take everything they can from you if they were reputable breeders they would take the cat back and refund at least some of my money but that’s not part of who they are. I have many more people that have contacted me so who are you going to believe a bunch of breeders that stick together selling the same bad bloodlines to people or all of the people that they have done this too. I have nothing to gain by making a complaint or lying I am new at this but I am not new in the breeding world. I just will leave it up to you The buyers to decide who you think is telling the truth just be aware you don’t want a cat with Hcm before you buy a cat from anybody especially these people ask them for several years back of Hcm scanning test for the parents of your cat or kitten. Also ask them if they do any PCR panel blood testing for other very serious illnesses carried by cats if they won’t show it to you and won’t let you come to their house run run run. I wish I would have. They are quite the gang of cat breeders LOL but because their blood lines are full of Hcm they have to stick together. It is mostly from Lori Lauren Millbanks poor inbreeding program. I have done what I can and tried to warn people but that’s about all I can do you have to be smart when buying animals like I said if they don’t let you come to their house and want to meet you somewhere that’s a big red flag if they won’t show you there Hcm scans for several years back that’s a red flag how do you even know you’re getting a kitten from the parents that they tell you they could be getting a kitten from anyone of their cats that they might do scanning on and tell you it’s from that cat. I do not have my registration papers yet either they sent me a picture of it I want the original paper it belongs to me not to them they are probably going to try to use it on one of their cats. Ok I have done what I can and tried to warn people but that’s about all I can do you have to be smart when buying animals like I said if they don’t let you come to their house and want to meet you somewhere that’s a big red flag if they won’t show you there Hcm scans for several years back that’s a red flag how do you even know you’re getting a kitten from the parents that they tell you they could be getting a kitten from anyone of their cats that they might do scanning on and tell you it’s from that cat. I do not have my registration papers yet either they sent me a picture of it I want the original paper it belongs to me not to them. As you can see in their comments they make it sound like I’m an idiot I’ve been breeding dogs for 45 years but that’s what they like to do to people is belittle them and make them feel like they can’t stand up to them when You finally find out you’ve been taken for a large sum of money and sold an unhealthy bloodline. Once again they are good at what they do but I will continue my fight to try to help the public from buying any more unhealthy cats.Lauren tells people that she actually is a good friend of Kim the cardiologist that does the Hcm scanning to people I have talked to have phoned the doctor and she doesn’t even remember Lauren. These are the kind of lies that I just can’t handle this is posted on her website and made to seem like she is a great friend of the Doctor Who does the Hcm scans and this is not true. I can post the doctors phone number here too if you want to check up on that. Did you notice that they pretty much admitted to everything that I said but they had their own little twist to it LOL I guess they’re not used to people standing up to them. They also hide their addresses because I’m sure they’ve had quite a few people trying to sue them.
Just to add also if you read the contract that I have all it is about is them getting more money from me no health guarantee of any kind and the vaccine paperwork just another way to get the kitten back for free it is such a scam. There is nothing written that is to protect their buyers it’s all about protecting them and getting more money here are my contracts and health guarantee tell me what you think does it look like they care about me?
A notice on the contract and the vaccine paper they did not even take my kitten to a vet for a health check and this is a $5000 cat they also don’t have their address anywhere on their contracts which is really weird. So you be the judge