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The Interchange Brokerage CompanyThe interchange Brokerage Company/ Dave Toney

BEAWARE!!! Avoid at all cost!! I have seen this type of business set up before and it's not worth your time unless you like to have your credit card charged $55 dollars every month. I feel sorry for the people you fall for this busness model. They will learn sooner or later. It is stacked against you!! No Savings-No cost-No risk!! Do the math for yourself and you will see who really benefits from this and it will not be you. One last thing. Don't let the A- BBB rating full you. Its a new buisness. Give it time and see what happens.

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    jfw12345 Dec 27, 2012

    People, please take note. This person is complaining about the $55.00 fee as a licensed agent for IBC. This gives you access to all the Website info that you now have since you now have your own private Website that contains all the marketing info you will ever need for your business. IF YOU LEAVE IBC, cancel the $55.00 fee and you no longer have use of the website and you no longer get paid any commisseion. What is there to complain about? You got everything you were promised. If you did not get out and work the business plan, who's fault is that? Lets compare costs ------ And other business models ------- Do you know what Real Estate Agents pay to use the MLS yearly? Is that wrong?. There are so many businesses out there that have fees for independent agents. Now to your other point about waiting for the Government to help merchants. That was called the Dodd / Frank act. You know that wonderful piece of legislation that promised help for consumers and merchants against a completely unregulated industry. Well, the help that was promised to Merchants got pushed out to 2015. What did happen was the formulation of Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB). They were charged with collecting the data on the wide spread abuses in the marketplace by the various financial players that make up the components of the fees charged to merchants for accepting credit and debit cards.Oh yes there was one small problem, the CFPB had no way of collecting this data because that would involve going to the merchants, both large and small and asking them about their credit card statements. Well if you spent any time listening to the training you received you would know that you need a Philadelphia Attorney to help get through the 150 odd pages that make up the rules and regulations that govern the interchanges that operate in this financial world. They make it as confusing as they possibly can on purpose. Then every October and April, like clockwork, they add changes to these rules and regulations that almost always involve increases in some cost to the merchjants. You still with me or are you starting to see the light! Oh yes, one other little point ---to my knowledge, IBC is the only major company reporting the widespread abuse from each and every merchant that we interact with. They can choose to include their company name and data in the reporting IIBC sends in monthly to the CFPB. Do you think that is helping in any way?
    Finally, IBC only makes money if they help save the merchant money. Think about that for a second...Whose best interest are they looking out for? The better the job they do for the merchant, the more they help themselves so the merchant saves money and we make money. Do you think merchants have the time to sit down and wade through this system which is set up to confuse people? They actually can choose to change processors and go with someone who will lower their costs for them but that involves changing all the processing machines (in most cases), all new training and new bank accounts may be needed. Then they are right back in the same boat. The merchant processor is not in business of looking out for each merchants best interests. Each and every time the folks at VIsa and MC change the rules in April and October, are they going to take the time to go through it with each merchant and make sure they are not being overcharged?
    For any of you that took the time to read this I thank you. The person who filed this complaint did so because he or she was angry about being charged $55.00 to be a licensed agent for IBC. That has nothing to do with the work IBC does for Merchants in all types of businesses across these United States. I am a small business owner for the past 32 years. I joined IBC after I learned just how much I was being overcharged. I had a guy who told me he was going to take great care of me set me up to get reamed. IBC lowered my bill by 30%. Now for someone paying $340 a month for processing, that isn't a ton of money by most standards. For me it was an eye opener! Ask most merchants if they would like to reduce any cost by 30% and see what they say! Not a hard answer is it. So I joined IBC and have been with them for 3 years now and love my job. It is easy to help people save money if they will just give us 5 minutes of their time, we can show them how. I can be reached at: [email protected] Thank you for reading this.

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    FreeEntAmerican Nov 15, 2011
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    Yes Dom5. I agree that its time to put an end to the bantering. Thank you for an intelligent conversation on this matter. That in and of itself is a reflection of one of the other values we hold so dear in this great nation. We all have the right to voice our opinions in a public forum. To anyone concidering a position at IBC I once again encourage you to make contact with me. [protected]

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    dom5 Nov 13, 2011

    To FreeEnt: We can go round and round on this but it certainly looks like we will not change each others' minds. However, I did want to answer a few specific accusations: There is nothing wrong with IBC or anybody else earning a legitimate profit on a product or service. What I find wrong is that they make a profit off their own agents. If Rate Lock is the strong service for merchants that IBC claims it is, then the service itself should be enough to provide a profit for IBC and a decent living for their agents WITHOUT charging a fee to the agents. If you consider such comments to be a "slap in the face to free enterprise", i can't help you. As to our ongoing discussion we'll just have to agree to disagree. There isn't much point to further postings. My position is clear, truthful, and makes sense. There are 5-pages of postings that folks thinking of becoming IBC agents can read and ponder, the final decision is theirs.

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    FreeEntAmerican Nov 13, 2011
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    The point is certainly valid. Yes they have a product. Yes we as agents make a choice to use it or not. Yes they make a profit. But if you buy a can of ravioli the same facts are true. This goes back to my first post in response to this whole thing. We have the privilege of living in a country founded on free enterprise. We as agents get to choose to pay money to get the product. Which is why your comments are, when looking at the big picture, unwarranted and damaging to IBC. And frankly they tend to spit in the face of the values that make this country great. IBC and anyone else who is so inclined has the right to make money on a product or service. So please reconsider how you approach a subject that you have very little first hand knowledge about.

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    dom5 Nov 12, 2011

    Okay that was funny. One key point that I've been consistent on: IBC collects $30k/month from their agents to zero benefit of the agents. The fact that you cannot deny this is an admission on your part that this point is valid.

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    FreeEntAmerican Nov 12, 2011
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    I will accept that most ambiguous reply as an admittance of error...maybe.

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    dom5 Nov 12, 2011

    To:FreeEnt : Look, my concern is for the agents or for any individual thinking of becoming an agent. Before they do so I want to make sure they look at this thing from every angle instead of just drinking the "proprietary software" and "personal website" kool-aid fed to them by IBC. The FACT remains that IBC generates $30k/month which is taken from the agents' pockets while offering the agent almost ZERO benefit in return. Yes, my postings are my opinions but those opinions are based on sound logic. What bothers you about those opinions isn't that they may be wrong, but that they may be right.

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    FreeEntAmerican Nov 11, 2011
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    Dom5. That fee is not for the honor of selling the product. That fee is for the honor of having access to the proprietary software, the back office tool and a personalized website to send customers to. You have been misleading anyone who comes to this site and reads your postings. Please stop. Please post what is true and not what you feel like saying. You are bordering on slanderous behavior. I know that this may come as a surprise to you since you strike me as the type of person who has a very hard time admitting that you ae wrong. So I am going to take the "band-aid' approach. Sometimes its best to rip it off quickly and get on with life. so here goes...
    YOU ARE WRONG!!! Just say you are sorry and move on. There is no scam here.

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    dom5 Nov 10, 2011

    To: FreeEntAmerican: The original complaint (April, 2010) was about the business model, a complaint I agree with. IBC charges 600 agents $55/month for the honor of selling their Rate Lock program. That's over $30k.month the owner of IBC is collecting from agents for doing close to nothing. In my view THAT'S suspect.

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    FreeEntAmerican Nov 10, 2011
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    You certainly have the right to an opinion dom5. Heres the problem though. You have a negative opinion about something you have no experience in. That in and of itself strikes me as suspect.

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    dom5 Nov 06, 2011

    Glad to see some genuinely helpful comments here. To the one fellow who said I wrote KV Mgmt and IBC were one in the same, I may have written that but on a later post corrected that by writing that they were SEPARATE entities who both OPERATED in the same way. Mr Toney (of IBC) himself verified that KVM was a master agent of IBC. It would follow that they indeed operated in the same exact way regarding both their business plan and agent plan.

    My contention all along has been that this is not a good program for sales agents and that being charged $55/month (or whatever the fee is currently) to work FOR ANY organization is a rip-off. All this talk about "someone has to pay for back-office support" is nothing more than a diversion from that fact. The person that should be paying for websites and back-office support IS THE OWNER HIMSELF, NOT THE AGENTS WHO WORK ON STRAIGHT COMMISSION!!!.

    I feel a reasonable conclusion is that the overwhelming majority of agents that get into this program quickly find that it sounds good but yields very little income and smartly drop out. Mr "FreeEnterprise" claims he has done very well and thus far is the only person who has made this claim. Nobody knows this individual and he/she doesn't even use a real name. If what he/she says is true it would appear he/she is the lone exception. I stand behind my contention about IBC not being a good program for agents. Like I've said before folks, if they have 600 agents paying 'em $55/month they're getting $33k/month for DOING ALMOST NOTHING. The only guy that this is a good program for is the owner of IBC.

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    FreeEntAmerican Oct 27, 2011
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    Thanks for clarifying that for me olisbos. No I am not the Original Poster.

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    FreeEntAmerican Oct 26, 2011
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    In what way was my post irresponsible icu2? I am honestly puzzled by your assessment.

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    FreeEntAmerican Oct 25, 2011
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    I have not posted in quite a while so I thought I would just give a quick update. Truthfully over the last 3 months or so I have only dabbled in IBC. I need to knuckle down and get back to working hard but life is just noty going that way right now. I have only signed up 2 new customers over the last 3 months and only increased my monthly residual by $900 so things are a bit slow right now. But hey I ask you this question. Have any of you gotten a $10, 000 a year raise yet this year? If this is how one gets scammed then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE scam me!

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  • Ib
    IBC Original Oct 18, 2011

    I have been with the company since its inception and do not reap the rewards of the monthly agent fees and have been able to support my wife and son for the past 4 plus years. This company is definitely NOT a scam. It is not a get rich quick process either. You get out of it, what you put into it and can make a very nice income.

    This business requires the classic professional sales funnel and constant vigilance to ensure continued cash flow. You need small and mid sized prospects to keep the mortgage/rent, car payments, light bill, etc. paid. These tend to close quicker, although not always. You need mid sized to large prospects to provide for retirement, health benefits, and other longer time financial needs. These tend to take a little longer to close, again although not always. Finally, you need some elephants or whales in the funnel. These are the ones that when they come to fruition, you take that vacation you have dreamed of, like we did; 28 days in France last year.

    So, if you think you are going to join IBC and get rich quick without a lot of effort or miracle connections, think again. However, if you want to enter into a business that is legitimate, provides your clients honest savings from honest effort, and are willing to put in the time and effort you can make a good to great income.

    The complaint sounds like someone who did not get out of IBC what they expected and that is unfortunate. Anyone I speak to about this business I am sure to let them know the business model is simple, however the effort is not. Whether I am speaking to a prospective client or prospective agent. We work hard for our clients and the agents have to work hard for their clients. Simple as that. There is no get rich quick, money tree, or income without effort and sacrifice. Anyone who believes that today is definitely deluding themselves. This business has never been promoted as that and is NOT an MLM.

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    Inquisitive1 Oct 06, 2011

    Thank you so much for your update, GodisGood. IBC during their "sales-pitch" phase, sure does make it sound like in no time, you'll absolutely be just "rollin' in the dough". Now, I know that NOTHING is just as easy as that, and am not that gullible. However, all the cries of absolute fraud and illegitimacy did not seem to jibe with my due diligence completely, necessarily either. So - Anyone else have any further insight(s)? Maybe someone else who HAS been in this for something more than a full year, who can also reply and let us know their EXPERIENCE?

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    GodisGood!! Oct 04, 2011
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    Sorry to not get back to you sooner and thanks to Inquisitive1 for reminding me to repost. Here's the update on my experience with IBC. First things first - This is NOT a scam. This is a real company that saves money for companies and pays real commissions. The bad news is the savings and ultimately my commissions were not what I anticipated. They came up short of projection but I still made more than 5x my monthly fee to IBC. I receive those checks for the next 3 years.

    The truth is that you need to sign up clients with mulitple locations or $1, ooo, ooo or more in merchant services business to make any real money. Next, the Frank - Dodd act has really been good for business and is helping sign more companies to this service.

    Finally - I do recommend this service to supplement your existing line of business (as it does for me). It is a good intro product for my line of work and it provides real savings for clients. Your just not going to get rich doing it.

    Best of luck to you all and God Bless!!!

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    Inquisitive1 Oct 04, 2011

    Okay - so, a couple of posts in here intrigued me. Many are just plain CRAP!
    What ever happened to "GodisGood" - who started for IBC in Feb of 2011? How about an update? How about "MikeS147"? Both gonna be 1x posters only? "One's & DONE's"? Sure wish we could here some CREDIBLE, VERIFIABLE updates from each of those. - Oh well.
    Also - some of the disparagement turned out completely unfounded, and nothing more than excess personal vitriol. Dom5 - you seemed to have some pretty salient information going, but lost credibility (and "steam" it seems) with your absolutely intractable inference(s) - (that turned out to be FALSE) that KV Management & IBC were one in the same. They clearly are (were) not! So... Nothing more now (from either side) since May? IBC still (at least seems) to be going strong. Maybe they ARE for real/legit? Whose time is telling who? - How about an update? Dom? ...GisG? ...Mike? ...ANYBODY??

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    dom5 May 17, 2011

    One thing remains constant: NOBODY that has done this for any significant amount of time (a year) has ever posted a comment saying that they're glad they got involved. Want to know why? NOBODY'S DONE IT A YEAR BECAUSE THEY AREN'T MAKING ANY MONEY!!!
    Guaranteed that the guy above will fall into the same category. Hey, some folks have to learn the hard way...

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    FreeEntAmerican May 13, 2011
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    One more thing I need to add. the reason you don't see many postings from successful agents is because by the time we start to make money and provide a good service this conversation fades into obscurity. It becomes a thing of the past. For the most part it becomes irrelivant. The reason you don't hear from agents who tried and failed is because people don't usually post for the whole world, their personal failures. So heres the deal. If you want to contact me feel free. [protected]. Now before you call, understand something. I WILL pitch my product to you. If you don't own a business I WILL try to recruit you either as an agent undr me or as a lead partner. Wanna know why? Because I AM A SALESMAN!!!

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    FreeEntAmerican May 13, 2011
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    Ok i just wasted an hour of my life letting someone tell me all the reasons I shouldn't pay for a product. has anyone gotten that yet? We PAY FOR A PRODUCT!!! ( I am a rep for IBC making money feeding family etc.)Someone had to make the backoffice. Someone had to make the sales tool. (Which is really well structured by the way) Someone has to pay for space on a server. My mentor needs to get paid. And heres the big one folks...WE LIVE IN AMERICA. We are a free enterprise society. Everything we believe in and has worked for us as a nation revolves around this one single truth. EVERYONE has a right to make a profit. Shame on you mister plastics man. How many people do you underpay in order to get your product to market? Do you charge more for the product than it costs you to produce? Does ALL of the remaining profit go to you? You should apologize to everyone on this site. You sir are the one who has been misleading here. Shame on you sir. Now to the guy who started this whole mess in the first place. ALL 1099 salespeople pay to play. I have been a sales pro for many years. I have ALWAYS paid an office fee. Ask any real estate agent you have ever met. Did your wife get her hair done this month? If so the stylist who cut it pays a chair fee EVERY MONTH!!! The person who provides that chair makes...guess what...A PROFIT!!! As far as I'm concernedyou are all a bunch of Canadianized socialists who need to go back to basic econ class. NOW SHUT UP!!!

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    selfemployed Mar 11, 2011
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    Ok, so I have been an agent for IBC since October. I have paid $221 in fees (they waited until I put my first contract through to actually charge me the $55/month). I have already turned a profit for them, plus my income is just starting to grow. For me, it's been a good deal. Plus, my clients are happy with their savings which they have already seen on their interchange fees! I guess a win-win in my book. As for MLM, I also sale for two large direct/home party sales companies. Both of them charged me a $99 fee to sign up and a $10 fee per month to have a website. Not only does IBC offer that, but they also provide plenty of training and unlimited access to a regional sales representative to go to for guidance, plus you can search for leads in their system. As for the history of the company, honestly I don't know much more than beyond what I've read here. So far, so good!

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    dom5 Mar 04, 2011

    Again folks, if a company charges you to work with them as an independent sales agent something's off. If IBC has 600 agents and charges each agent $50/month then IBC makes $30k/mo - FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THE AGENT OR THE MERCHANT. This is a common characteristic of any MLM company; charge the sales agents ongoing fees so that the head of the company (ie: TOP OF THE PYRAMID) makes money whether the service/product sells or it doesn't. New agents that "join" are placed under more established agents creating "up-lines" and "down-lines" which are of course MLM terms. Yet they claim they're not MLM.

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    D. Toney Mar 03, 2011
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    Please allow me to clear up a few points that seem to be causing some confusion here.

    1) We are not, nor never will be a MLM organization.
    2) I, David Toney am not in any way an owner of KV Management, nor ever have been.
    3) The only relationship that The Interchange Brokerage Company and KV Management had was that KV Management was a master agent for the services we provide, meaning they have full control over their own agents, how they handled their business and the costs they chose to charge.

    Additionally here are the timelines related to KV Management and The Interchange Brokerage Company so everyone is aware:
    - Master Agent Agreement was signed on 12/2009
    - Deals from KV Management begin filtering through on 2/2010
    - By 6/2010 KV Management had stopped paying their agents
    - By 7/2010 The Interchange Brokerage company terminated their master agent status after hearing about their bankruptcy filing
    - July & August The Interchange Brokerage Company began contacting former KV Management Agents and began paying them directly for business written July 2010. We are still paying these agents today and will continue to do so

    The Interchange Brokerage Company does charge agents, we are not a scam. We’ve been around for a number of years and have saved merchants close to $6 Million in fees of which the sales agent gets their contractual revenue share.

    Take a look at our websites, read our testimonials, contact us directly if you’d like to speak with us further as we have nothing at all to hide about how we do business.

    David Toney

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    dom5 Mar 01, 2011

    To infofiend: Great posting with lots of sound advice. When I first began posting here it was to warn would-be ISO's to NEVER pay the monthly fee IBC and KVM were charging agents so I was approaching it from a sales agent's point of view. You're approaching it from the merchant's point of view which is fine because if it's no good for the merchant it's no good for the sales agent. I think IBC and KV Management were separate entities but still working together; they both sang the same song, same marketing plan, same fees, same scam.

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    infofiend Feb 26, 2011
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    Thanks to the gentlemen who let us know about the relationship between KV Management and The Interchange Brokers. KV Management did not only file Chap 7 Bankrupt, but also being investigated by the B.E.B for hundreds of bad CC Charges!!
    Please see complaint from /link removed/ under KV Management

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    infofiend Feb 26, 2011
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    Above I stated KV "Marketing" instead of "Management". Typo, sorry.

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    infofiend Feb 26, 2011
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    PLEASE READ!! IT MAY SAVE YOU FROM MAKING A BIG MISTAKE!!
    David Toney's last Pyramid scheme went Chapter 7 last June "KV Marketing", and don't be fooled by another attempt by this individual to scam merchants with the same business model company only now your "MAUI Certified" or David Certified." I know the industry well, and we have tested his system, example: "$10, 400 in CC sales, $204.54 in fees, 130 trans $80.00 avg. ticket (no questions about debit cards, rewards, corp. cards, swiped vs key entered etc.) and they recommended Rate Lock Plus at a one time set up fee of $99.00!! What a Bargain!!!" This was formulated as a response on "The Greensheet" (www.greensheet.com), the Official Industry Expert's forum, when this topic was brought up yesterday, and shows that his program ABSOLUTELY was NOT written with the appropriate criteria. Everything relies on the type of card and type of transaction, and he missed the boat on both of those key factors, so it DOESN'T ACTUALLY WORK CORRECTLY AT ALL!!!
    If you are an Agent or ISO of this company, am I correct in assuming you don't have much industry experience? If so, I will guess it is as an "Account Executive" or something where you don't understand the Processing Industry. If you did, you would create your own proposals, and create residuals based off of interchange like the rest of us. Any Processor and ISO will show you how to save a business money, so you can reduce a merchants bill and put the money where it belongs- BACK IN THE MERCHANTS POCKET!! Don't let David fool you into believing he is a part of the Payment Industry or has any merit within. His company is not recognized by ANY NOT-FOR-PROFIT ASSOCIATIONS that make up our industry meaning that this "Good Guy" is only Certified by HIMSELF. There is no MAUI. Those are just merchants that he has made a savings proposal for, and instead of putting the money back into the business, HE KEEPS IT! And the Registered ISO that actually own's the account will be stuck paying the fee's to the Association for being Registered, incur all costs associated with having and maintaining a merchant portfolio, but NOW David Toney is taking the profits you are supposed to make for doing the job. What he has done is decide that he doesn't want to endure all the work that goes into an account. He instead is showing merchants how to reduce the bill (like ALL Merchant Services Salespeople do at an appointment)and(just like ALL the other Millions of telemarketing calls you get for Merchant Services where they offer to do the same), except he is extracting the profits for himself and his company, meanwhile ALL he did was screw the merchant out of the savings and offered to do NONE of the work that a competitor would then be doing, if a merchant switched to them to save money.
    David is completely scamming merchants by marketing a "watch out for the bad guys" scheme that is only created by him. Sure there are horror stories in this industry, as in any industry, but that is why you should due your due diligence into the Credit Card Processing Company you choose to partner with in business. NOT by letting a scam like MAUI into your business. If this was a Merchant Movement that was Not for Profit and backed by the appropriate industry Associations made up of random industry expert boards (examples are the: NEAA, SEAA, ETA, and about 3 or 4 more including Canada (ETA is the big one). And if you are a merchant and do decide to invite MAUI Certification into your business, don't be surprised if the company they put you with is a nobody in this industry, and you have nothing but problems with them because remember they don't make the money anymore, instead MAUI is paid EVERY MONTH for showing you the same savings that ANY competitor would offer to show you except here's the BIG DIFFERENCE- The money goes to the Merchant's business usually, NOT David Toney's, who has NOTHING more to do with the account after he underbid's the account, but offered NO OTHER FORM OF WORK on the Processing Account he just analyzed. So you pay him every month because he lowered the price? ANY SALES PERSON WILL GIVE YOU THIS WITH NO STRINGS ATTACHED IN THE HOPES THAT THEY MAY EARN YOUR BUSINESS THE HONEST WAY- By doing your processing and customer service!!! The rate reduction is to save the merchant money, not to just shift it to a 3rd party bank account!! It is ridiculous and PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THIS!!!

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    dom5 Feb 24, 2011

    To GodisGood: Great input. It will be interesting to see if projections equal reality; check back in around early April to let us know. Something tells me you'll be honest no matter which way it goes.

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    GodisGood!! Feb 23, 2011
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    I have been a rep for them for 1 month. In that time I have signed up 5 accounts and gotten one paycheck (portion of clients set up fee). I haven't received commission checks yet but based on estimates from initial consultations, I should recieve about $440/month for the next three years on these 5 accounts. Granted I'm not getting rich off this but if you sign 4 or 5 per month - you can build a very nice residual income.

    The issue of the monthly fee seems to really bother some and truth be told I wasn't so wild about it myself. Supposedly it goes to support the CRM (which is FANTASTIC), training, materials etc. While I think the company should bear this cost, I was willing to take the initial chance and add this product to the list of services I provide.

    So far I'm happy with their product, the support they have provided and the projected income to follow. Will know more about that by end of March. Good luck to you and God Bless.

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    dom5 Jan 18, 2011

    Dan98155, well said and something tells me that in your case nobody TELLS you that you HAVE to fork over a monthly fee in order to have the privilege of selling for them. That $1500/month you spend are business expenses you probably feel are necessary to be successful. Only part I disagree with you about is that the IBC monthly fee shouldn't bother anyone. It should be bothersome because it's an indicator of an organization that makes its profits from the folks paying the fee, not on the sale of the service. Some early posters defended IBC/KVM and the fee but as you said, not one has returned to say they are doing well selling the program. That in itself speaks volumes.

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    Dan98155 Jan 15, 2011

    I agree, I just spent the last hour reading the entire thread to find that the main complaint is paying the 55-105 monthly service charge. I can understand that the people complaining about the fee are not really salesman. Paying a small fee for guidance and sales material is not at all that big of a deal, as long as the service/product is legitimate. Can anyone at all besides Kyle say that they make an honest living from it? In all of the ranting and raving not one person has come forward and clarified the system and whether or not it works. I find it hard to believe that not one person can come on here and say, " Yes it is legitimate, Yes I make a decent living, Yes, I love what I do and love working for IBC." Forget about the fee, if it is a viable business opportunity you will make money. A true salesman would care less about the fee.

    I am presently a salesman in the construction industry selling an average of 150k to 250k a month with average commission earnings of 15k to 25k monthly. I spend about $1, 500 a month out of my own pocket on business expenses in order to make that type of money. Is that a scam? I will be more then happy to verify my earnings and expenses to anyone that needs to see that it takes money to make money. I challenge anyone that is currently working as a IBC rep to do the same.

    I think that if this was worth anything and not a scam there would be several rebuttals to all of the negative posts. Judging by the lack of positive feedback and not a single person confirming the legitimacy of the business opportunity I have to say that at this time, IBC is nothing more then a run of the mill MLM scam! [email protected]

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    dom5 Dec 13, 2010

    RE: Smells_Fishy: Good move/non-move. ANY sales organization that charges the sales reps a fee probably does not have a viable product or service to sell. What IBC offers SOUNDS good but since they're charging a fee to the reps that signifies that they know it's a difficult (if not almost impossible) sell. If the service was sale-able they wouldn't need the fee. Make no mistake, no matter IBC is making most of their money off the rep fee, NOT the service. It's classic MLM. Notice how none of the early defenders of IBC have returned. Gee, I wonder why.

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    Smells_fishy Dec 10, 2010

    Wow what a thread. Thanks to all who posted. I agree that when ever a company asks you to pay to work for/with them that should raise a red flag and set your BS/fraud/scam detector to high alert status. In my case I just ran across a craigslist ad promoting the "opportunity". Prior to contacting them I ran across this post during my due diligence phase.

    I find it interesting that NOBODY can answer one simple question asked by a poster early on... how many clients have you sold? how much have you saved them? and who are you (name and number) to prove it so that it can be verified. If this "opportunity" is as successful as some here have claimed then there should be many posts with facts and verifiable success stories. The $55.00 per month is a misdirection. Who cares about $55 - $105 per month IF THE PRODUCT HELPS THE CLIENT! If it does then you will make 100 fold more in commissions. Since nobody can confirm or prove that this helps the client I'm going to pass. If you make a claim and can't prove it then the claim is probably false!

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    word9925 Oct 20, 2010
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    Dom5!! You just summed it all up in your last post. Where are they??????

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    dom5 Oct 15, 2010

    Some easy questions: It's Oct 15th, 2010, all you folks that sang the praises of IBC or KVM in April, May, June... WHERE ARE YOU?!?!?!?
    Oh yeah that's right KV Mgmt went out of business or became Right Business Services, nobody really knows. But all you other people that bragged about what a great opportunity IBC was despite the $55 monthly fee - WHERE ARE YOU? Tell ya where all of you are - $55/month POORER, that's where.

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    dom5 Oct 15, 2010

    MikeS47, look, I wish you well and if you want to PAY to work with someone that's your call. My feeling has not changed that an agent having to pay a company a fee screams SCAM, I would never do it. As for the fee covering THEIR "back office support", why shouldn't THEY cover their OWN business expense? It's called the cost of doing business. In any event you've decided to do what you've decided to do so good luck.

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    MikeS47 Oct 15, 2010

    I am a new sales agent for IBC ( 1 month) and find the $55 fee very fair for the back office support I receive. Also, the fee goes away when you reach a certian sales volume. The fee is necessary to support the services you receive until you cover your costs as an employee. I have a friend who has been with IBC for a few months and is no longer paying the fee. I am working hbard to achieve that same 1st goal.

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    dom5 Sep 25, 2010

    Hey "igotskamed", nobody cares if they hear from you again. Seems to me if folks write in COMPLAINING about the business model, it qualifies as a COMPLAINT. (duh) How much credence you place on those complaints is up to you. I and others have weighed in with our opinions. What we can't do is hold your hand and tell you what to do. If you don't like what's on this board just make your decision and shut your cowardly mouth. Good riddance jerk...

    PS: People that have to proclaim "they have a life"...usually DON'T.

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    igotskamed Sep 25, 2010
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    Ah...this is the "Complaints" board, not the "I was successful" board. You are an idiot. You won't hear from me again. I have a life. BTW... it is dumb, not dom...I guess you can't spell either.

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