Grace & Truth Ministries review: Religious harassment 220

Wow Toni! What you said is so accurate and true. And what is so amazing is that people such as myself were one of these people that just didn't want to see it or believe what we were seeing in this ministry, acting this way, was true. It was my fault for sticking around thinking that it would change and things didn't change, but instead got worse.

God has Jim Brown ordained to have this ministry acting this way, and it all boils down to my not listening to God when He revealed the false teaching of pagan worship of the Alchemy doctrine that Jim Brown teaches. On Facebook it was mentioned to others by me to research the false doctrine of "faith increasing and sins (self) decreasing;" "to take your own cross:" and of "being sevened;" and the "transforming in the image of God through trials and persecution of men, being purified into gold" that Jim Brown teaches, to find out where it stemmed from. And guess what? No one cared to check it out. Even though God had me check out and investigate what Jim was teaching since June of last year at the picnic after seeing what Jim wore, no one cared to check or research. And why is this? Like you said, people have invested too much and are scared to be truthful to themselves, and don't want to face the facts that they have been deceived by a man.

God will hold Jim Brown accountable, but we must not forget that God WILL ALSO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE for following a man, instead of following Christ. It was my fault for listening to Jim Brown and for taking what Jim taught and making it to fit scripture. It was me reading God's word to get Jim's teaching out of it. God's word was taken out of context by me to agree with what Jim was teaching, and THIS IS WRONG. Is this Jim's fault? Yes! However, it's me that is held more accountable due to my converting and changing God's word to fit the doctrine of a man.

What Jim teaches is the Alchemy doctrine, which the Masonic teaching comes from and my reason for knowing this is because of my upfront involvement of having been initiated by a Mason, and my having been in their Masonic temple on several occasions in the Eastern Star, and the very rituals, which God had me depart from 30+ years ago.

What God had me involved in back then for me to know how this Alchemy doctrine (the Philosopher's Stone) is being taught by Jim Brown and by majority of all the churches today.

Churches are businesses. Some people never seem to realize this. Jim Brown and his inside crew play church politics the same as every other organization and business that I have encountered in my life. This no longer comes as a surprise to me. The primary goal in their politic is maintaining an appearance of harmony within the church and flawless uprightness in the leadership so that potential new converts, and those living at a great distance will get a good impression of how the church body functions. Obviously Jim's main source of income is tithes and offerings from listeners living far away who don't attend the gatherings regularly, so it is important to him that they remain as contributors. He and his paid staff will do anything they can to whitewash the background goings-on among the Hendersonville Tennessee assembly to remain palatable on video. This includes video editing and restricting/pulling certain sermons offline, and a whole slew of immoral behavior including colluding together on twisted versions of the facts about things that often happen behind the scenes, some of which happens to bleed out onto video. Jim will do everything possible to look flawless in the eyes of spectators even though like any human he is far from it, and will often engage in immoral behavior in order to do so.

Why does such behavior come as a shock to so many? If one is gullible enough to follow after and give their life and energy to any church ministry, they are making the bed in which they will sleep, and will reap a whirlwind.

There are many genuine people who attend the fellowship who have built their lives and their worldviews around the assembly and Jim Brown's teachings. Many of these will defend him no matter what he does because of the great cost, sacrifice and personal investment of their lives and time which they have poured into Grace and Truth Ministries, some having even moved their families hundreds of miles to attend the Hendersonville Tennessee assembly. To turn away from the ministry would mean they would have to acknowledge their personal error in judgement, and that is considered too unpleasant for many to face.

A man can clean the outside of the platter by getting rid of the Xmas, Easter, Halloween, and all the other pagan festivals (the washing of the hands); and, offer this as a gift or sacrifice, but yet they leave the other part undone, which they have no control over; and, that is to clean the inside of the cup. And why is it that a man can not clean the inside of the cup? Because it is God that can only clean up the inside. God requires mercy and not sacrifice. The knowledge of God more than burnt offering! And as Jesus said, "Go ye and learn what that meaneth. I will have mercy and not sacrifice."

Men today are taught to offer a burnt offering (forsaking Xmas, Easter, Halloween, and all the other pagan rituals) yet the most important of mercy, compassion and forgiveness is left undone. And that part that is left undone is what God requires in a man. A man that has mercy, compassion, and forgiveness is a man that has God working in him, because God requires mercy and not sacrifice.

Jerrymichigan, what you say is true. Jim Brown does teach Christ and Belial in communion with each other when he teaches faith (Christ) increasing with self (sins/Belial) decreasing; which is Christ and Belial communing together.

Jerrymichigan what you said about the doctrine being taught is exactly true; and that is exactly what faith increasing and self (sins) decreasing doctrine is: it is the doctrine of putting Christ (faith) with Belial (sins/self decreasing). This doctrine being preached is stating that you can be joined to God (faith) and separated from God (sins - death decreasing) at the same time. Only those that belong to Christ that He has opened their eyes and ears to understand this will know that this is a false doctrine. It's the same as putting a new piece of garment (the new man) onto an old garment (the old man); and putting new wine in old bottles.

And when a man teaches that you are to take your own cross, that man is stating that you are God and that you are atoning for your own sins. It is the cross of Christ that works in us to crucify us to this world. It is Christ that separates us from this world, it's not another man by his persecuting or hating us that separates us from this world. It is Christ that separates us do to having chosen us OUT OF THIS WORLD. And when Christ does this, it is then when men hate us and persecute us for the works Christ does in us. Because Christ has crucified us from this world, the world hates Him, and thereby hates us. The world loves their own. We are not of the world. That's why the doctrine of faith increasing and sins (world decreasing) is a lie. That's saying you can have God and the world at the same time, which is clearly FALSE DOCTRINE.

Jim Brown teaches this doctrine, and the doctrine of the Alchemy and the Philosopher's Stone, which is HARRY POTTER and sorcery doctrine; and, that a man must be sevened by God into perfection which is not attainable in this life time. God has ordained Jim Brown to teach this doctrine. And it is my fault for believing this doctrine and is my fault for not following God and His word. God clearly preaches against this doctrine. It was about me pleasing man and not pleasing God.

What God has ordained we are to not fight against it. To do so, is to go against God. We are to rest and know that God stated in His word that He has vessels of wrath fitted to destruction. Does this mean that Jim Brown is a vessel of wrath? We don't know, that is why we are to continue to preach truth. Who knows, even just maybe God will open Jim Brown's eyes to know that a tremendous amount of commentary written by men had slipped in through the back door of their commentary the doctrine of the Alchemy and the Philosopher's Stone.

Martin Luther applauded this Alchemy Doctrine in the Christian teachings. Martin Luther and Erasmus were very close friends until Erasmus refused to join Martin Luther religious party, at which point Martin Luther attacked Erasmus on the free will doctrine, yet they had the same philosophical views (Alchemy and Philosopher's Stone) and beliefs. The Alchemy believe that a man is purified by seven spiritual steps (to be sevened - lead into gold) yet is not attainable in this life time.

And to carry your own cross is telling people that you are God. The Cross of Jesus Christ is not good enough therefore, you must be condemned to your cross. Yet, Peter was literally crucified to a cross, but yet refused to be hung on the cross as his Lord Jesus Christ and requested to be hung up-side down. As you can clearly see, Peter refused his cross, and instead clearly recognized and glorified the Cross of Christ instead. Yet, God has people blinded to not see this.

Jim Brown teaches all this: take your own cross; being sevened into the image of God; conforming over a perior of time or evolving into the image of God, which is the teaching of EVOLUTION which is the Alchemy Doctrine and the Philosopher's Stone Doctrine; and being circumcised by men (through their hating and persecuting you) instead of by the circumcision of God in your heart.

Yet, God has ordained Jim Brown to teach this doctrine from the very foundation of the world. And why? It is the will of God, so that those of us can glorify God even more to know that His word is true.

These pages are absolutely amazing. Must separate the man from the preaching. Ignore if you like, his comments or worldly beliefs or actions when he is not preaching. He (Jim Brown) is a man who has much flesh like all of us. I do not like many of things he says when he is "just talking". I do have compassion for those who state they have been hurt by him in various ways. I was not there in person when these things transpired, so I am not against you in any form. You know what occurred, not I. I have been led by way of the Holy Spirit to so much truth, that I had never seen before I found this ministry. He is far from perfect, but when he is preaching the gospel, I hear truth. I have had negative reactions over the years to much of what has been said and done(other than preaching the gospel), at G&T, from either Jim or others in his ministry. But I know in my heart, I am a greater sinner than all of them, and I need truth to be revealed. I do not hear truth anywhere else.

Wow, Had never seen this page before. Whoever Kyle Jones is, I see your statements are based on biblical truths. Those arguing against you and Jim Brown are just denying truth. But of course, God does not allow vessels of wrath eyes to see and ears to hear.
Almost everything that is stated against you and Mr. Brown, appears to be based on their own feelings rather than on biblical precepts. What your debaters are stating are the thoughts and understandings of the outer always fleshly man. They are trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear and attempting to put Christ and Belial in communion with each other. Unless God changes their hearts through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, they will never see the Light.

There is no one to find fault with except with myself. It is my fault for expecting man to do the works of God in me. Even though several preachers believe and teach that we become more in the image of Christ when men persecute us and hate us; and in their doing this to us, it condemns us to our cross. It is my fault for believing them. God states that we are to follow Him.

It is my fault for believing man and for relying on the works of man to circumcise my flesh with their persecutions and hatred toward me to evolve me into the image of Christ.

We can try to expect men to clean the outside of the platter, yet all along the inside is filthy and corrupt, because it is Christ that can only clean the inside of a man. The outside is cleansed yet the inside is left undone. Why? Because we rely on the works of men and we ignore and don't look to Christ and what He promised to do inside of us.

Is this Jim Brown's fault? No! It is my fault for not relying on Christ and His word.

The result of men hating us is because of Christ in us due to God working in us to live righteously and holy. That's why Jesus said in John 15:18 "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also."

We are hated by men because they hate Christ in us. We are not greater than Christ, that's why that hate us because He is greater in us and it is men that hate Christ dwelling in us. We are persecuted because of Christ already having circumcised out heart with His works in us to walk holy and righteously. Christ has already crucified us and separated us from the world and that is what men hate about us.

Jim Brown is teaching exactly what God has ordained him to teach from the foundation of the world. Therefore, the truth of this matter is to follow Christ, and it is only Christ that we are commanded to follow.

It is Christ in us that men hate. The world loves its own. That's why Jesus said that the world hates Him before the world has hated us. When Christ births us in His image, men of this world hate the works of Christ in us. The world can not circumcise a man nor can crucify another man to separate us from this world, because those people with Christ birthed in them have already been crucified and circumcised by Him. The circumcision of Christ is made without hands (the works of men); that's why it is impossible for man to condemn us or crucify us to our cross. The Cross of Christ is carried in the hearts of those that belong to Christ. And why is this? Because we are crucified with Christ and are buried with Him in baptism (the washing of His blood). What does a sinful man that is holy about him that can cleanse us? None thing! That's why it is Christ who is holy and pure, and without sin Who is the only one that can offer a sacrifice that is acceptable and pleasing to the Father. And how is it that He offers this sacrifice to the Father? By Him circumcising our flesh and offering the prayers of the saints. And what is the prayers of the saints? It is Christ making us to walk righteously and holy, the sacrifice bestowed to the Father, that is a sweet smelling savor offered to the Father, by the works of His Son Jesus Christ in us.

That's why it is no longer the works of man that matter, but is the works of Christ in a man that matters. That's why men will say Lord, Lord as in Matthew 7; but Jesus will say, "Depart from me for I NEVER knew you ye that WORK iniquity." And why is it that Jesus tells them this? Because He NEVER put His Spirit in them (circumcised them or birthed them in His image) to work in them to CEASE from sin. That's why faith increasing and sins decreasing is the Alchemy doctrine (Philosopher's Stone teaching) that was APPLAUDED by Martin Luther in the Christian teachings and literature.

3 in 1 -- I pray that our Lord will give you peace in the face of your trials. I do not question the truth of what you say. In your shoes I would avoid meeting with any man who is a pastor or has any other role in a church one on one, and it's totally inappropriate for a man, any man who is not your husband to interact with you in such a manner. Shame on Jim Brown for being so arrogant in doing such a thing at any time, place and for any reason with you or any other woman in the church. He's not following prudent biblical protocol in such a case.
As emach and you have mentioned, it's fairly evident that Jim has personality problems that constantly show through in his teaching. I think about the deceptive power of sin. We can't really hide who we are. If nothing else, God will allow us to be deceived as to think we are justified in our actions, so we will move ahead boldly in our unrighteousness and all will be able see this. In my earlier postings I have taken an analogy that Jim himself provided in the past of chocolate and gasoline mixed teachings of pastors and teachers. The elect can separate the gasoline from the chocolate (with the help of the Holy Spirit), and so it goes with the Elect listening to Jim as well. I see plenty of Gasoline at times, and chocolate at others. I don't know whether there is some gross sin in his life that blocks him from teaching a greater degree of truth, or if he is just another false teacher operating on a level closer to truth than some others. It's my hope and prayer that God will 'grant' him repentance to come to a [complete] knowledge of truth (2 Tim 2:25).

Emach -- I agree with you. Jim makes it very obvious that he thinks his word on all matters is final. He doesn't even really listen to the people who are speaking to him. He obviously thinks he's above everyone in knowledge and how to use it. Knowledge does in fact, 'puff up'. He also states that no one else teaches bible truths as he does. As I see it, this reveals the fact that Jim either doesn't understand or believe some of the bible, or has a level of pride beyond imagination if he truly believes he's the only man on earth that teaches truth.

I've listened to Jim describe his father's personality. Jim may have progressed to a more truthful interpretation of the bible than his father, but he has not progressed to showing more of the fruit of the spirit than his father with regard to arrogance and temper. I cannot see what goes on behind the scenes at his church, but I believe the arrogance and aggression in his teaching to be the tip of an iceberg that does have a greater mass below the surface. I think it would be wise for Jim to step down and allow someone else to run the church before he does more damage, but alas I'm certain he has too much pride to even consider it.
My wife cannot stand to listen to Jim because of the ungodly delivery of his message at times, and the mocking of people unnecessarily. She considers him to be a petty little man. I have sometimes wished I could edit his videos before I've shared them with friends because I wanted to extract the truth, and leave the ungodliness on the editing room floor so to speak. Not knowing how to do this I no longer share them with others.

To this day I do sample his teachings from time to time (he seems to be in a 3 sermon rut of repetition as of late) and Imagined that if I lived in Jim's town I would not be fellowshiping with his group because I would fall into the same problem that you did, emach, without a doubt. On a brighter note as I have widened out in my searching for bible teachers on the Internet I've found teachers that meet or exceed Jim's knowledge of the bible in eschatology, doctrines of election, and other topics. Jim does have some strengths but he's not the only one. I am still thankful for what Jim has taught me which is much, but I've moved on. Again I pray that God straighten Jim out (if it be His will). If Jim is just another false teacher, then he is merely a judgment to the vessels of wrath who are meant to make up his congregation. Somehow I have trouble thinking the latter about Jim. God only knows. Time reveals all truths regarding the hearts of men.

For those of you on here, God has revealed this to me the last few months, and this is posted on here not to correct anyone to bring peace and comfort to you to look to Christ and His Cross. God knows for the last few years, it has been about me and my cross, and one thing that God has taught me is that our cross (of this world), is heavy and burdensome, crushing me in sin. But Cross of Christ (His yoke is easy, and His burden is light), is conforting and soothing to the soul, that is lifted high to give light to enter in. May God bless you when you read this to look to Him, and His cross, to follow Him in life eternal.

When we do truth and speak truth it's not the unholy and unrighteous men that hate God that crucify us to die to the flesh. The man that is already dead to the flesh and is walking in truth is a man that has already been crucified in Christ. A man that is unholy and unrighteous is a man with sinful hands; therefore his sin can not atone for our sin. A sinful man can not write the holy epistle of Christ on our hearts to cause us to be crucified to this world. Christ is the Holy High Priest that brings His Cross (His Blood Atonement) in our hearts to crucify us. To say that we carry our own cross is to deny the Cross (death) and resurrection of Christ, which is to deny the Gospel.

Any man can take hold of any worldly cross, pick up a cross and carry it. Men wear their own cross around their necks; which is a man taking his own cross. So a man might as well be handing out a cross on a necklace for all to wear to prove they are taking their own cross. However, not every man can pick up and carry the Cross of Christ. The only way a man can pick up and carry the Cross of Christ (His Blood Atonement) is if Christ gives that man His cross to carry. And why is it that Christ gives us His cross to carry? To separate us (to crucify us) from the world. Christ died on His Cross and resurrected off His Cross; therefore, it is His death and resurrection (the Gospel) working in us to make us die to the world and to be new creatures in Christ. It is Christ that crucifies us, not man. That's why man can crucify us and condemn us to our cross, because Christ has already crucified us to walk holy and righteously in truth; therefore, that's why men at hate us and Christ in us, because we are in truth and doing truth. Therefore, by our being already crucified by Christ to do truth, how is it that man can crucify us and condemn us to our own cross? They can't because the Cross of Christ is already in us to crucify us to this world.

When a man tells you that he is carrying his own cross, this man is stating to you that he believes in the water baptism, and the laying on of hands from man to condemn him to his cross. God sacrificed His son for us to atone for our sins. Sin can not atone for sins; therefore sin CAN NOT offer a sacrifice that which is holy and pure. Just as the priest had to be holy and pure, and to be washed and sins atoned for to be sinless before killing and offering the sacrifice, and before entering the temple and the holy of Holies. Therefore, Christ being the high priest, who is holy and pure and without sin, Christ crucifies us to separate us from our flesh (of this world to die to it), so that we resurrect in newness of life in Him.

Paul tells us that faith increasing and sins (self) decreasing is a lie and a false doctrine in Romans 6, "What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin (sins decreasing), that grace may abound (faith increasing)? NOT LET IT BE! We died to sin, how still shall we live in it (sins decreasing)? Or are you ignorant, that all who were baptized in Christ Jesus, in the death of Him were baptized? We were buried then with Him through baptism (His Cross - of His blood) in death, that as was raised Christ from the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we in newness of life might walk. For if united with (joined to Him) we have become in the likeness of the death of Him, but also of the resurrection we shall be. This knowing, that the old man of us was CRUCIFIED with Him (on His Cross), that might be annulled (to cease) the body of sin, no longer to SERVE US sin. (Note - no longer to SERVE US sin. We were served sin, but in Christ we are served righteousness. The KJV is perverted and twisted and states, "we should not serve sin." There is a difference in meaning between the original Greek and the KJV. The KJV makes states that we serve sin, but in the original Greek, sin was served to us. Christ is the servant and He serves us righteousness.

Let's continue: "If we died with Christ (Christ did not die on our cross. Notice God's word specifically states if we died "WITH" Christ, and where did Christ die? On His Cross.) If we died with Christ, we BELIEVE that also we shall live with Him, knowing that Christ having been raised from dead NO MORE DIES; death, Him, no more lords it over. For that he died, to sin He died ONCE for all, but in that he lives, he lives to God. So also you count yourselves DEAD INDEED (without doubt) TO BE to SIN, living but to God in Christ Jesus the Lord of us. Do not, therefore, let reign sin in the mortal (fleshly) of your body, to obey it in the lusts of it, NEITHER yield the members of you weapons of unrighteousness to sin, but yield yourselves to God as from dead, living, and the members of you weapons of righteousness to God; for sin SHALL NOT lord it over you, for not you are under law (bondage of flesh), but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because not we are under law (bondage of flesh), but under grace (bondage of righteousness)? NOT LET IT BE! Not know you that to whom you yield yourselves SLAVES in obedience, slaves you are whom YOU OBEY, whether of SIN UNTO DEATH (to be separated from God), or obedience in righteousness (to be joined to God)? But thanks to God that YOU WERE slaves of sin; but you obeyed from the heart to which you were delivered (to be served) a form of teaching and having been freed from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness."

Sin separates a man from God. Christ joins us to God. That's why a man CAN NOT be separated and joined to God at the same time, as is taught in the evil doctrine of faith increasing and sins (self) decreasing. The self in a man is described as the flesh of the man. That's why when you take self and spell it backwards, it is fles'. Remember, there are no "H" in the Greek. Only a diacritical mark ( ' ). Therefore, the word is flesh, which Self is FLESH. So what was the other term or word used to describe the nations (people) that did not know God? Well, if you spell God backwards, what do you have: dog. The nations were called by Israel, dog.

That's why when a man is birthed from above, the man is birthed mature and full grown. The fleshly birth is completely opposite from the spiritual birth. That's why the fleshly birth can not be used to describe the spiritual birth. A man that uses the fleshly birth to describe the spiritual birth is a man that is fleshly minded, and that man does not have the epistle of Christ written in his heart, or in his mind. And due to the man being fleshly minded, the man has not been birthed from above (the spiritual birth); therefore, he is not able to comprehend or understand spiritually to worship God in the spirit.

Let's read Hebrews 6:1 and see what it says about a man birthed from above is full grown. "Therefore, leaving the beginning of Christ discourse, on to FULL GROWTH let us BE BORNE, NOT AGAIN a foundation laying down of repentance (to be turned and think differently) from dead works (carrying our cross), and of faith upon God, of baptisms of teaching, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of dead ones and judgment of eternal. And this we will do if indeed permits God. "

"IMPOSSIBLE, " for those once being enlighted, and having tasted of the heavenly gift, and sharers becoming of the Spirit Holy, and good tasting of God's word, works of power and of a coming age, and falling away (to sin - separate from God), again to renew to repentance (to be turned and think differently), crucifying again for themselves the Son of God, and putting to an open shame."

2 Corinthians 3:3 "We are being known and being read by all men, being manifested that we are an epistle of Christ, having been inscribed not by ink, but by the Spirit of the living God, not in tablets of stone, but in "fleshly" tablets of the heart. So why is it that God writes His law, His ordinances and His message on FLESHLY tablets of our hearts? Because it is the flesh that is of sin. We are an epistle (a written message) of Christ by the Spirit of the living God due to God writing His message of truth on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. This is a picture of Christ bounding the strong (fleshly) man so that the fleshly man bows to the will of God to cease from sin. So, if we are being known and being read by all men that we are an epistle of Christ, we have already been crucified in Him. It is Christ in us making us to DIE DAILY. For this, Christ is revealed to UNDO the works of the devil (the fleshly man), 1 John 8. That's why every one (all) having been begotten of God does not sin, because seed of Him in him REMAINS; and NOT he is able to sin, because of God he HAS BEEN BORN. That's why when God writes His law, His message (epistle) on our heart, we are no longer fleshly minded, but are commanded by God to be spiritually minded, so that we worship Him in spirit.

That's why to take your cross is the teaching of false doctrine (the alchemy, Alchemist, philosophical doctrine, Scientology doctrine, Masonic doctrine, which is all the DEVIL'S (fleshly) doctrine, as well as faith increasing and sins decreasing; and being sevened (by the steps of fiery trials and persecutions of the alchemy), which is to evolve slowly into the image of God that is not attainable in this life time.

The wages of sin is DEATH (separation from God). That why sins (self) decreasing is a lie. Sin is sin. When a man draws his last breath, he is already dead and separated from God, and will continue to be separated for eternity, just as the rich man in hell and lifted up his eyes being tormented and burning in the Lake of fire where the worm dies not.

People will use the excuse of being wretched men and will use Roman 7 as their excuse to live in sin. However, when reading this Paul is clearly identifying the state of the man when the man is living in sin and how wretched (miserable, hatefully vile and contemptible, sunk into deep affliction or distress either from want, anxiety or grief). The man that is in this world (in sin) is a wretched man. God calls us out of this world (the wretchedness of sin) to separate us from sin, so that we are joined to Him, for us to become members of His bones, of His flesh, and of His body.

Ephesians 5, Christ loved His wife (His bride-church) as He did His own body (by not partaking or the doing of sin). The one loving himself (to not sin and walk in God's commandments), wife himself loves (to cause her to not sin and to walk in God's commandments). For then no one of himself hated his flesh (to cause to sin), but nourishes and cherishes her (protect her from sin and cherishes her), EVEN as the LORD TO THE CHURCH, because MEMBERS we are of the BODY OF Him (Christ), and of the FLESH of Him (Christ), and of the BONES of Him (Christ). For this, shall leave a man the father and the mother (just as Christ left and came in the flesh), and SHALL CLEAVE (to glue to, to adhere, join) to the wife of Him, and the two (Christ & His wife) shall be ONE flesh (of His body, His bones). This MYSTERY is GREAT, But I say AS TO CHRIST AND AS TO THE CHURH." We are joined to Him and in Him is NO sin. For this was revealed (manifested) the Son of God, that He undo (destroy) the works of the devil. Destroy means to shatter completely, but not a reduction (decreasing) to the constituent particles. Destroy means to demolish; to pull down; to separate the parts of an edifice, the union of which is necessary to constitute the thing; as, to destroy the house or temple. And what is it that God destroys when He writes His epistle (his message, letter) in our heart? The seat of satan. When God joins us to Him, his foot crushes the head (authority) of satan in us. That's why sin no longer is lord over us. Christ is lord of Lord and King of Kings. His throne in our heart shall reign forever giving us life eternal (from this moment into the future). Death no longer rules, and is swallowed up. Christ is faithful and CAN NOT deny Himself. Glory be to God!

A note to end with:

Jesus said in Luke 11:33-36 "But no one a lamp having lit in secret places, nor under the grain-measure, but on the lampstand, that the ones entering the light may see. The lamp of the body is the eye. When then the eye of you single is, also all the body of you bright is; when but evil it is, also the body of you dark is. WATCH then, lest the light in you darkness is. If, then, the body of you whole, bright, ot having any part dark, will be bright ALL, as when the lamp with the shining enlightens you."

Notice that it states that no one a lamp having lights it in secret places, nor does anyone light the lamp under the grain-measure, but the lamp is lit on the lampstand. The KJV has twisted this to say, "No man, when he hath lighted a candle putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light."

But notice that the original Greek text does not say that the lamp is lit and then placed in secret. The Greek text states that the lamp is not in a secret place when it is lit. God is going to light the lamp inside of us so that we may see to enter in. What is it that we enter into? Life with Him.

Jesus said, "If, then, the body of you whole, bright, not having any part dark (sin), will be bright ALL." That's why faith increasing and sin (self-darkness) decreasing is the alchemy teaching and doctrine. God's people will not have any part dark (sin-self); therefore, sins decreasing is a lie. As stated in Revelation 21:8 "But to the fearful (cowardly), and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the lying ones, the part of them in the Lake burning with fire and brimstone, which is second death."

Sin is darkness and if the light (faith) in you is darkness (sin), great is the darkness (sin)! Therefore, a man believing faith increasing and sins decreasing is a man with no faith, but instead is FULL OF SIN.

May God bless each one you to walk in truth.

This is not directed at any ministry, but is for those of you on here to know what Christ has taught me these last few months, and may this be some comfort to you. As Paul said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be save". Believe is exactly what it means, and that is to believe Christ to do the work in you to make you cease from sin, just as those that believed to be healed when they touched the hem of His garment, and when they did they were made whole. God Bless you all.

When we do truth and speak truth it's not the unholy and unrighteous men that hate God that crucify us to die to the flesh. The man that is already dead to the flesh and is walking in truth is a man that has already been crucified in Christ. A man that is unholy and unrighteous is a man with sinful hands; therefore his sin can not atone for our sin. A sinful man can not write the holy epistle of Christ on our hearts to cause us to be crucified to this world. Christ is the Holy High Priest that brings His Cross (His Blood Atonement) in our hearts to crucify us. To say that we carry our own cross is to deny the Cross (death) and resurrection of Christ, which is to deny the Gospel.

Any man can take hold of a cross, pick up a cross and carry it. Men wear their own cross around their necks; which is a man taking his own cross. So a man might as well be handing out a cross on a necklace for all to wear to prove they are taking their own cross. However, not every man can pick up and carry the Cross of Christ. The only way a man can pick up and carry the Cross of Christ (His Blood Atonement) is if Christ gives that man His cross to carry. And why is it that Christ gives us His cross to carry? To separate us (to crucify us) from the world. Christ died on His Cross and resurrected off His Cross; therefore, it is His death and resurrection (the Gospel) working in us to make us new creatures in Christ. It is Christ that crucifies us, not man. Christ has already crucified us, when He writes his laws, ordinances on our hearts, to walk and righteously before all men. Therefore, man can't crucify us to walk holy and righteous, because it's by our walking holy and righteous that men hate about us, which is Christ in us that they hate.

When a man tells you that he is carrying his own cross, this man is stating to you that he believes in water baptism, and the laying on of hands from man to condemn him to his cross. It is God, Who is Holy, that crucified His son, by altering the mind of man to crucify Christ. Christ gave Himself and was obedient to go to the Cross to do the Father's will. Sin can not atone for sins; therefore sin CAN NOT sacrifice that which is holy and pure. Just as the priest had to be holy and pure, and washed, to kill the sacrifice and offer it to God before entering the temple and the holy of Holies. Therefore, Christ being the high priest, holy and pure, Christ crucifies us to separate us from our flesh (of this world to die to it), so that we resurrect in newness of life in Him.

Paul tells us that faith increasing and sins (self) decreasing is a lie and a false doctrine in Romans 6, "What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin (sins decreasing), that grace may abound (faith increasing)? NOT LET IT BE! We died to sin, how still shall we live in it (sins decreasing)? Or are you ignorant, that all who were baptized in Christ Jesus, in the death of Him were baptized? We were buried then with Him through baptism (His Cross - of His blood) in death, that as was raised Christ from the dead through the glory of the Father, so also we in newness of life might walk. For if united with (joined to Him) we have become in the likeness of the death of Him, but also of the resurrection we shall be. This knowing, that the old man of us was CRUCIFIED with Him (on His Cross), that might be annulled (to cease) the body of sin, no longer to SERVE US sin. (Note - no longer to SERVE US sin. We were served sin, but in Christ we are served righteousness. The KJV is perverted and twisted and states, "we should not serve sin." There is a difference in meaning between the original Greek and the KJV. The KJV makes states that we serve sin, but in the original Greek, sin was served to us. Christ is the servant and He serves us righteousness.

Let's continue: "If we died with Christ (on His Cross. Christ did not die on our cross. Notice God's word specifically states IF we died "WITH" Christ, and where did Christ die? On His Cross.) If we died with Christ, we BELIEVE that also we shall live with Him, knowing that Christ having been raised from dead NO MORE DIES; death, Him, no more lords it over. For that he died, to sin He died ONCE for all, but in that he lives, he lives to God. So also you count yourselves DEAD INDEED (without doubt) TO BE to SIN, living but to God in Christ Jesus the Lord of us. Do not, therefore, let reign sin in the mortal (fleshly) of your body, to obey it in the lusts of it, NEITHER yield the members of you weapons of unrighteousness to sin, but yield yourselves to God as from dead, living, and the members of you weapons of righteousness to God; for sin SHALL NOT lord it over you, for not you are under law (bondage of flesh), but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because not we are under law (bondage of flesh), but under grace (bondage of righteousness)? NOT LET IT BE! Not know you that to whom you yield yourselves SLAVES in obedience, slaves you are whom YOU OBEY, whether of SIN UNTO DEATH (to be separated from God), or obedience in righteousness (to be joined to God)? But thanks to God that YOU WERE slaves of sin; but you obeyed from the heart to which you were delivered (to be served) a form of teaching and having been freed from sin, you were enslaved to righteousness."

Sin separates a man from God. Christ joins us to God. That's why a man CAN NOT be separated and joined to God at the same time, as is taught in the evil doctrine of faith increasing and sins (self) decreasing. The self in a man is described as the flesh of the man. That's why when you take self and spell it backwards, it is fles'. Remember, there are no "H" in the Greek. Only a diacritical mark ( ' ). Therefore, the word is flesh, which Self is FLESH. So what was the other term or word used to describe the nations (people) that did not know God? Well, if you spell God backwards, what do you have: dog. The nations were called by Israel, dog.
That's why when a man is birthed from above, the man is birthed mature and full grown. The fleshly birth is completely opposite from the spiritual birth. That's why the fleshly birth can not be used to describe the spiritual birth. A man that uses the fleshly birth to describe the spiritual birth is a man that is fleshly minded, and that man does not have the epistle of Christ written in his heart, or in his mind. And due to the man being fleshly minded, the man has not been birthed from above (the spiritual birth); therefore, he is not able to comprehend or understand spiritually to worship God in the spirit.

Let's read Hebrews 6:1 and see what it says about a man birthed from above is full grown. "Therefore, leaving the beginning of Christ discourse, on to FULL GROWTH let us BE BORNE, NOT AGAIN a foundation laying down of repentance (to be turned and think differently) from dead works (carrying our cross), and of faith upon God, of baptisms of teaching, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of dead ones and judgment of eternal. And this we will do if indeed permits God. "

"IMPOSSIBLE, " for those once being enlighted, and having tasted of the heavenly gift, and sharers becoming of the Spirit Holy, and good tasting of God's word, works of power and of a coming age, and falling away (to sin - separate from God), again to renew to repentance (to be turned and think differently), crucifying again for themselves the Son of God, and putting to an open shame."
2 Corinthians 3:3 "We are being known and being read by all men, being manifested that we are an epistle of Christ, having been inscribed not by ink, but by the Spirit of the living God, not in tablets of stone, but in "fleshly" tablets of the heart. So why is it that God writes His law, His ordinances and His message on FLESHLY tablets of our hearts? Because it is the flesh that is of sin. We are an epistle (a written message) of Christ by the Spirit of the living God due to God writing His message of truth on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. This is a picture of Christ bounding the strong (fleshly) man so that the fleshly man bows to the will of God to cease from sin. So, if we are being known and being read by all men that we are an epistle of Christ, we have already been crucified in Him. It is Christ in us making us to DIE DAILY. For this, Christ is revealed to UNDO the works of the devil (the fleshly man), 1 John 8. That's why every one (all) having been begotten of God does not sin, because seed of Him in him REMAINS; and NOT he is able to sin, because of God he HAS BEEN BORN. That's why when God writes His law, His message (epistle) on our heart, we are no longer fleshly minded, but are commanded by God to be spiritually minded, so that we worship Him in spirit.

That's why to take your cross is the teaching of false doctrine (the alchemy, Alchemist, philosophical doctrine, Scientology doctrine, Masonic doctrine, which is all the DEVIL'S (fleshly) doctrine, as well as faith increasing and sins decreasing; and being sevened (by the steps of fiery trials and persecutions of the alchemy), which is to evolve slowly into the image of God that is not attainable in this life time.

The wages of sin is DEATH (separation from God). That why sins (self) decreasing is a lie. Sin is sin. When a man draws his last breath, he is already dead and separated from God, and will continue to be separated for eternity, just as the rich man in hell and lifted up his eyes being tormented and burning in the Lake of fire where the worm dies not.

People will use the excuse of being wretched men and will use Roman 7 as their excuse to live in sin. However, when reading this Paul is clearly identifying the state of the man when the man is living in sin and how wretched (miserable, hatefully vile and contemptible, sunk into deep affliction or distress either from want, anxiety or grief). The man that is in this world (in sin) is a wretched man. God calls us out of this world (the wretchedness of sin) to separate us from sin, so that we are joined to Him, for us to become members of His bones, of His flesh, and of His body.

Ephesians 5, Christ loved His wife (His bride-church) as He did His own body (by not partaking or the doing of sin). The one loving himself (to not sin and walk in God's commandments), wife himself loves (to cause her to not sin and to walk in God's commandments). For then no one of himself hated his flesh (to cause to sin), but nourishes and cherishes her (protect her from sin and cherishes her), EVEN as the LORD TO THE CHURCH, because MEMBERS we are of the BODY OF Him (Christ), and of the FLESH of Him (Christ), and of the BONES of Him (Christ). For this, shall leave a man the father and the mother (just as Christ left and came in the flesh), and SHALL CLEAVE (to glue to, to adhere, join) to the wife of Him, and the two (Christ & His wife) shall be ONE flesh (of His body, His bones). This MYSTERY is GREAT, But I say AS TO CHRIST AND AS TO THE CHURH." We are joined to Him and in Him is NO sin. For this was revealed (manifested) the Son of God, that He undo (destroy) the works of the devil. Destroy means to shatter completely, but not a reduction (decreasing) to the constituent particles. Destroy means to demolish; to pull down; to separate the parts of an edifice, the union of which is necessary to constitute the thing; as, to destroy the house or temple. And what is it that God destroys when He writes His epistle (his message, letter) in our heart? The seat of satan. When God joins us to Him, his foot crushes the head (authority) of satan in us. That's why sin no longer is lord over us. Christ is lord of Lord and King of Kings. His throne in our heart shall reign forever giving us life eternal (from this moment into the future). Death no longer rules, and is swallowed up. Christ is faithful and CAN NOT deny Himself. Glory be to God!

This was e-mailed to Jim Brown and the Grace and Truth Ministries by me today. This is being posted on here as a witness before God and all of you.

"Dear Jim, Mary, and Grace and Truth Ministries:

God has touched my heart to be honest with myself, and for the first time, to be honest with you, Mary and those in the ministry. I was hurt by what happened at the ministry. We all have been hurt. Anger filled my heart and things were written by me about you. And due to my ungodly actions this caused you to be filled with anger, and with words of hate. So, what does it all mean? And what is the purpose of the hateful words by me about you? God showed me just how ugly and pitiful my flesh is and was full of sin. My sins were not decreasing, as I was trying to make them do. God knows that I was fooling myself due to my believing that I was angry and upset with you; therefore, I blamed you and the ministry for my sins. God showed me that it was not you that I was angry at, it was Him. And why was it that I was angry and upset with Him? Because you, Mary, and the people with the ministry were not what I had expected all of you to be due to setting myself and my expectations of people high and above God. Therefore, it was causing me to lift myself high above you and everyone else, thinking I'm better than you and the rest of the people at the ministry. My pride was lifted up so high that it destroyed and hurt people as was done to you, Mary and the others in the ministry, and any one that had come in contact with me.

I even deceived myself in thinking that God touched my heart previously, a couple of months back, but then when I read on the Complaints Board about you, all that anger inside of me came to the surface igniting the fireworks of this flesh inside of me. And again words were posted by me. God made me to see myself react this way, which caused me to ask Him, "Why is it that He allowed me to be birthed in this world for me to act this way, and to hate people so much as to hurt them with words that can kill a man."

Then God put in my mind, "For you to see your sins, and so that you will believe in My Son Jesus Christ, to die to self. You're trying to have man crucify you by the works of their flesh (their hands); therefore, you are deliberately sinning to make them hate you so that you are condemned to your own cross. It's not about your cross. It's about My Son's cross (His death) and resurrection.

While being around you, Mary, and those in the ministry, and other people outside the church, my thinking was: "This is my cross, and it is my alone to bear and you will condemn me to it. And I will see to it that you hate me and will condemn me to my cross, so get out of my way. I will get eternal life regardless of how you feel or what you think, and you will condemn me to my cross so that I can live forever more. My cross is bigger and lifted up higher than your puny cross due to my cross having more scars, and my having experienced more fiery trials and persecution than you. And the fact you say you believe God and you are persecuting me, truly means my cross is holier than yours. So get out of my way, Here I come! This is truly what my mind was thinking and it is wrong.

Jim, from the bottom of my heart and in my soul, please know that my actions and words toward you were wrong, and know that God has made me to humbly bow before Him. With God as my witness, I ask you, Mary and the ministry to please forgive me. What was done by me was wrong and ungodly. God knows in my heart that I love all of you. Can things be changed and taken back for what was done by me in the past? No. The past can not be changed; however, one thing can be changed and that is God dwelling in me to live holy and righteously, at this moment moving forward, with my eyes looking to Him at all times. Can I change me, Ellie? No! Only God can change me, and with God dwelling in me ALL things are possible to the believing.

Is it possible for you and the others in the ministry to believe me and to know that I am sincere with what is typed to you from me? The fact is, I don't trust myself, that's why God must put in my heart to believe Him, and to not look back at myself, but to keep my eyes on Him.

Please know that I am sorry and humbly apologize to you, and ask you to please forgive me of my ungodly and hateful actions and words toward you and the ministry.

Just know that through all this I have continue to pray to God for you, Mary, and the Grace and Truth Ministry, and will continue to do so.

Ellie Cooper

This will be posted on my Facebook page; the Facebook Status, and on the Complaints Board, for as a witness before all."

Jim Brown said in his correspondence reading on video 3219, dated 03/19/14 towards the end that people are to follow man if that man is teaching the truth. Jim said, "You need to be listening to me. People said we're not to follow man, we'll you're suppose to. Your suppose to find a man that's following God, that has more experience than you do, and truth, and follow that man's teaching. To say I'm not following a man is to say I don't have a teacher. I'm my own teacher is what you're saying. So don't listen to anybody who says that, that is not true. When Paul said be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ, he's saying as long as I'm following Christ listen to my instruction. That's what he is saying. If you're a baby believer you don't have enough instruction to follow yourself and you should not be doing that." END QUOTE

Now notice very carefully what Jim said and how he used scripture and twisted it as Satan did in the garden to deceive Eve. Jim Brown is doing the se thing here. Nothing is said about Jesus Christ resurrecting in us to lead us and guide us. It's all about following Jim Brown and his teaching. To be a teacher is just not speaking truth, but living in truth. That was what Paul was talking about. Paul said in 1 Corinthians 4:15 "For if you have myriads of teachers, yet not many fathers; for I fathered you IN CHRIST JESUS THROUGH THE GOSPEL." The gospel of Christ is the death and resurrection of Christ in us. Paul had set the example not just in speaking truth, but by living in truth. That's why he was persecuted and defamed and became as filth of the world, dirt wiped off by all until now is because Paul lived in truth. Paul says, "Then I urge you, be imitators of me." Paul is saying to follow in his footsteps in walking godly in Christ Jesus. Paul clarifies this in verse 20 the same chapter, "The kingdom of God is not in word (just the speaking), but in power." And what is that power? Christ dwelling in us to make us die to the lusts of this world, and Him resurrecting in us to live godly, holy and righteously before all men.

1 John 5:9 "If we receive the witness of men, the WITNESS OF GOD IS GREATER; because this is the witness of God which He has witnessed about His son: The one believing in the Son of God has the witness in himself. The one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the witness which God has witnessed about His Son. And this is the witness: that God gave is everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. The one having the Son has life. The one not having the Son of God does not have life."

The witness of God is greater than man. Greater in the Greek means mightier, to exceed, is stronger, and overcomes the witness of man.

CMAC, I saw the video and Jim Brown uses God's word for putting people at his (Jim Brown's) footstool. If you think Jim Brown is bad like that just from reading letters, try being in a room alone with this man starring you face to face. I've been there, and that's one place you don't want to be. Paul clearly instructs how to preach the gospel so as not to bring a charge against the gospel. And Jim Brown brings charges against the gospel every time he treats people this way and he abuses the word for ill gain. I could tell from what you had written that you were confused and needed guidance, because you wrote you didn't think God would do such a thing, yet then you said God would do it. Jim Brown does not listen to what is said. Jim Brown is a very, very poor listener and can not even read your letter correctly, much less know that you were confused, because if you are not where Jim Brown is, then you are stupid, ignoramus, and know nothing, and dull of hearing.

When Paul wrote that he may make the gospel of Christ without charge, it's not talking about monetary charges. What Paul is stating is that the soul of a man is priceless and to what expense and how the gospel of Christ is preached can determined if a soul is won or lost in the race against this world.

Paul writes:

"1Cr 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.
1Cr 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Cr 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Cr 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ, ) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Cr 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Cr 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
1Cr 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Cr 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Cr 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

Per God's word Jim Brown is a castaway. Jim Brown is not a servant of all, that he may gain the more. Jim Brown is a dictator.

Just know that when you watch video 3143 and when you scroll to 1 hour and 43 minutes, when people leave you will hear Mary Brown condemning me by saying that I wore skin tight clothes. First of all, the clothes I wore were nice pair of blue jeans and nice long sleeve and short sleeve shirts that were buttoned up and never revealing my cleavage area, along with an extra padded bra. Mary is a respecter of persons, because Summer Crane was the person that wore constantly the skin tight Danskin thin work out pants to the teachings after she worked out at the Gold's gym.

I was told that I wore too much black, and when I wore jeans and nice shirts that also became a problem to them and because I wore jeans and a shirt per Jim and Mary to seek attention. Go back and look at the teachings from March 2012 thru middle of July 2013 on Sunday and Wednesday nights and see for yourself what was worn by me.

Mary recently wore skin tight pants to a teaching and was seen on the video. Beware of this ministry.

This is exactly what this ministry does is deceive people. Mike Lyda will alter the video and sound and edit the videos to cover up the ungodly doings, speaking, and actions of Jim Brown. This is the game they play, yet they falsely accuse people of playing games. This is proof that this ministry is evil, deceptive, and ungodly and is an occult.

When Jim Brown at the June 2013 picnic wore the tee shirt with big bold letters written on the front "CULT LEADER" and wrote on his name tag "David Koresh" identifying himself as David Koresh truly show the ungodly thinking in his mind.

Remember, God writes His laws in our MINDS and in our HEARTS. There were new visitors that came to the picnic and left due to seeing Jim mocking David Koresh and for wearing something ungodly. Jim is more concerned with the outward appearance and dresses himself in scripture by wearing it on his clothes while his inner man is corrupt and evil. This proves what Jesus said about wolves coming in sheep's clothing.

This proves that Jim wants people to concentrate on his outer appearance so that people don't see the corrupt and ungodly man that he really is.

A man can cultivate one of two things: that which is evil, or that which is godly. Jim Brown clearly reveals and does not hide the evil that is in him. And God is opening the eyes of His sheep to see this ungodliness and evilness in Jim Brown and Mary Brown.

I didn't even notice the other posts before my very last one. Thank you so much everyone for all of your kind words. It means so much that there are true caring people of God out there still. I know we're not all perfect and I wouldn't be posting this stuff for a simple little Christian slip up here and there but, well, all one has to do is investigate these people a little or read the comments even on this website. Unfortunately some people that are still so dazzled by this guys teaching performance that they would rather just dismiss such comments as these and ignore them as gossip or what have you. But like I mentioned, it didn't take me long to see the spiteful and vengeful nature of this man even before he spiritually and publicly/verbally abused and assaulted me. But it's only a matter of time it happens to them if they are foolishness enough to get involved in any way shape or form with these people. Just watching a couple of this guys videos should pop up some red flags for anybody with an ounce of Godly and spiritual discernment

Thanks again everyone so much for your kind words and encouragement :)

I recently posted a comment on the spiritual abuse I had taken from Jim Brown and the jimsgraceandtruth ministries. I noticed another person that was also abused by this man left the video Correspondence. Don't know why I didn't think of that. The one where he took me out of context and called me all of those names is 3216 Correspondence. It's about 3/4 towards the end approximately 28:14 of the video. my Youtube user name was T. Smith. The Youtube video link with the original comment and my response comment is...lol! I just went there and they literally deleted my comments. I thought perhaps by mistake I did but I then noticed theirs was gone too. Not to mention BOTH of mine are gone which I certainly did NOT accidentally delete both of my own comments. People, this is exactly how this organization works! People be warned!

This Grace and Truth Ministry is the Devil's Ministry and A. W. Tozer warns us in his writings back before 1963 of this Grace and Truth Ministries of Jim Brown's. To all of you, take very seriously and read all the warnings posted on this complaint board about this ministry. The people representing this complaint board are providing this complaint board so that you are aware of the dangers and are not taken advantage of, and are hurt as done to so many people by this ministry. Just think of how many people have been hurt by this ministry and know none thing about this complaint board.

A. W. Tozer warns us, "The truth received in power shifts the bases of life from Adam to Christ and a new set of motives goes to work within the soul. A new and different Spirit enters the personality and makes the believing man new in every department of his being. His interests shift from things external to things internal, from things on earth to things in Heaven. He loses faith in the soundness of external values, he sees clearly the deceptiveness of outward appearances, and his love for and confidence in the unseen and eternal world become stronger as his experience widens.

With the ideas here expressed most Christians will agree, but the gulf between theory and practice is so great as to be terrifying. For the gospel is too often preached and accepted without power, and the radical shift which the truth demands is never made. There may be, it is true, a change of some kind; an intellectual and emotional bargain may be struck with the truth, but whatever happens is not enough, not deep enough, not radical enough. The 'creature' is changed, but he is not 'new.' And right there is the tragedy of it. The gospel is concerned with a new life, with a birth upward onto a new level of being, and until it has effected such a rebirth, it has not done a saving work within the soul.

Whenever the word comes without power its essential content is missing. For there is in divine truth an imperious note, there is about the gospel an urgency, a finality which will not be heard or felt except by the enabling of the Spirit. We must constantly keep in mind that the gospel is not good news only, but a judgment as well upon everyone that hears it. The message of the cross is good news indeed for the penitent, but for those who 'obey not the gospel' it carries an overtone of warning. The Spirit's ministry to the impenitent world is to tell of sin and righteousness and judgment. For sinners who want to cease being willful sinners and become obedient children of God the gospel message is one of unqualified peace, but it is by its very nature also an arbiter of the future destinies of men." End Quote

Beware of this ministry and don't fall victim to their evil doing. Watch 3143 and listen. Go to ustream and pull up Grace and Truth Ministries and watch and listen to the letter readings. The video that you see and hear speaks for themselves and is a witness of the evil doings and speaking.

This is in agreement with "Trust in Christ".
On my blog, this woman left a number of comments explaining her experience with JB, and it is disgusting that this man handle this woman in such a manner. According to God's word, he should have approached the women's husband ALONE, and discussed the situation. That is the ORDER in which our Lord desires HIS Body to function.
Unfortunately this woman and her husband thought the Lord was guiding them to relocate to JB so-called church. It was not the Lord, sometimes our fleshly understanding of a leading is just that fleshly, and we pay for those decisions made in ignorance of God's desires and will. I know I've done that a number of times, and paid a price. But our Lord is Merciful, and He will deliver us from our wrong decisions in order to teach us what is OF Him and BY HIM, and what is from our own fleshly hearts.

Here is a link that will take you to her comments:http://intohisfullness.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/beware-jim-brown-with-grace-and-truth-ministries-is-a-heretic/#comments
Her comment is under the name of Believer, and she is the 26th comment down on the comment page following my posting warning people of Jim Brown as being a Heretic, and revealing why.
I pray the Lord comfort all that have suffered from this cult leader's spiritual abuse. Trust in this all who have suffered, our dear Lord will bring healing to you, and it may take a while, but He will deliver you from all false teaching, and heal the deep wounds of a heretic.
He is faithful to His Sheep, and He will finish that which He has begun in you! Take that as a comfort, for it has been for me.
In His Eternal Love...

CMAC, my heart truly goes out to you and your pain. What Jim Brown is doing is assaulting people, which is a crime against the laws in the Stare of Tennessee, and most importantly against God's law. What Jim says in his letter readings and to people truly reveals the heart of this man, because out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

These people in his ministry know what's going on and here is the proof: Ken and Bea had been going to this ministry ever since Jim started approximately 20+ years ago when Jim taught at his home in the basement. Right after my moving here to attend Jim's teaching, Ken and Bea came to my job complaining about Jim and him teaching the same thing over and over. I told them that God has him teaching exactly what he is suppose to teach and that if they had a problem with Jim to go directly to Jim and tell him. Ken and Bea told me they could not do that because Jim will get mad and won't like it. They told me that Jim did not take kindly to telling him about his teaching. I could see the fear of this man on both of their faces, and I heard the terror of this man in their voice when they said this to me.

Now, let's look at this. Here is a couple that has been attending this ministry for almost 20 years. Usually a relationship this long grows in trust and openness, with honesty between people with no fear of retaliation when being honest with each other. But as you can see, this is not the case, clearly proving that this ministry is not godly, and that Christ is not the Head. What Ken and Bea told me that day about Grace and Truth Ministries is that it is an occult and that Jim Brown is the dictator and not God. However, at that moment I didn't realize what they were telling me about this ministry and how Jim was evil. God put me through all this for me to see and learn how Satan can quote scripture and teach history, genealogies and Greek to deceive people.

CMAC, I too have been hurt just as you and so many other people. Trust God and know that one day God will bless those of us that have been terribly hurt to see His vengeance on Jim and Mary Brown.

God bless you.

Jim Brown speaks for himself. All anyone has to do is watch one of his videos and see his foul and vicious nature and continuous name calling. Sure he treats people of his flock and in person as kind as a turtle dove, but woe unto you who DARE question Jim Browns scriptural interpretation . You will get publicly whipped and called every idiotic name he can roll off his tongue. He's GREAT at one sided debates and that's ALL he ever does otherwise if he even dared talking to anybody in person like that they could correct him and put him in his place not to mention probably take a swing at him. No matter how smart you are and how much knowledge you possess, there is no excuse for treating people like crap, Christian or not, and it 's not rocket science figuring that one out.

Just watch him. He knows everything in the world and every video is like a haughty "I am so much smarter than the rest of you stupid idiots" Jim Brown show, or perhaps more like a circus while he so endlessly flaunts his intellect dazzling his small flock of disciples with his biblical brilliance. He can teach Bible until he's blue in the face and memorize every translation he owns but that hardly makes him Christ-like. He is NEVER wrong and anyone who dares to disagree with him or interprets scripture different than him will be called names like "stupid" "idiot" "ignoramuses" "liars" and on and on. And some of you people have the gall to say that there's is nothing unbiblical about this? You're no better then them. And you instantly judge people that have been abused and mistreated by this ministry and that have the courage to stand up and speak up about it as if "they're": the ones that are being un'Christian? Even though that's basically what Jim Brown does during 50% of all his sermons? And you're are the spiritual one and we're the horrible people just because it hasn't happened to you? Is that how self centered and self righteous you people are? You can save you're holier than thou speech on how you'd rather be broken and imperfect bla bla bla than to be like us mean un-Christ like people attacking the wonderful jimsgraceandtruth ministry. As long as you don't get hurt or spiritually abused life is good and we're the ones with the problem. Wrong is wrong regardless if it happens to you or somebody else.

Jim Brown is a spiritual thug and bible bully and even a bigger hypocrite that the people his finger is pointing at while accusing them of the same exact thing. In one of his videos he goes on to say how stupid people are for listening to pastors and not studying for themselves. Yet this is exactly what I have done. Left the church and study on my own now. And you should have heard the names he called me because my studies didn't lead me to Jim BROWN'S exact interpretation and I dared to comment on it only hoping for friendly debate and in no way attacked him personally or his character. Unfortunately he didn't return that favor.. He took one of my comments and posted a live video online while and read it to his congregation literally mocking me, took all my words out of context, kept stopping in the middle of my sentences and showing the people how wrong I was without even finishing my sentences making me out to say things I never even said. Yeah, real stand up Biblical man...

Then before even finishing the complete comment and getting al his points across after completely hacking it up, he then called me "stupid" said I was an ignoramus" started boasting about how many more verses he knew than I did and how his wife even had more verses than I did, then went on to then next letter and never even bothered reading the end of my comment which had the most important points I made. If you can read a Bible and still support this foul human being and ministry you need as much help and prayer as they do. There's NOTHING biblical about publicly slandering people and misrepresenting them, especially when they're not even present to defend themselves just as he does to other preachers publicly slandering them and their character on live video as well. He and his ministry are nothing more than Biblical bullies and tyrants intimidating and name calling anyone who DARES to believe anything different than Jim Brown!

Signed,

Just another hurt soul abused by westernized Christianity

The woman mentioned on here is me. The video to watch is 3143, the letter reading before the teaching and after the teaching. Go to YouTube and search Grace and Truth Ministries; open the window with Jim and Mary's picture on it, and scroll down to teaching 3143.

The letter reading is not on here, but if you scroll forward to 1 hour and 43 minutes into the video you will hear Jim talking about me wanting attention and that I wanted to possess him. Now, if Jim and Mary really believed this about me, why did Jim meet with me alone? And why of all things would he make sexual perverted comments to me about my breast area by calling them 'tits' while being alone with me? And a few weeks prior to Jim sexually degrading my body part alone, why did he privately call my cell phone and left a message for me to call him back. When he saw me after leaving the message, Jim personally asked me to supervise and organize the installation of a water sprinkler system in his personal yard. Does this sound like a man that believed I wanted to possess him or Mary? But, guess what!? I REFUSED THE JOB OFFER! If I really wanted to possess this man, or if I had any sexual desires for this old man, which I didn't, this would have been the dream offer and situation for me.

If any of you go back and look at the videos from March 2012 through middle of July 2013, you will notice that I left immediately after the teachings to avoid getting attention. Also, I worked the back camera, which is located in a separate room in the back with the lights off, causing me to be totally separated from everyone and hard to be seen by anyone. Boy, I sure was trying to seek attention!

And as far as not having money, that is true. Barb Doughman can verify this because I use to get food from the food pantry that the ministry had until Jim and Mary close it down in or about September 2012. Barb would give me the food for me to eat. I didn't eat the food at home due to having very little, a few cans, and I saved it for my husband due to him being under doctor's care and having to take several prescribed medications that required to be taken with food. Barb and Jim Doughman took me to the grocery store and bought a hundred dollars of grocery for us.

People in the ministry came to me constantly complaining about Jim's teachings and actions these last three years. Even Mary complained to me about her sexual relationship with Jim during our visit in November 2009, and she told me this when we went to the indoor gun range on the other side of Goodlettsville. Why Mary told me such personal information about Jim right after meeting them for the first time just totally blows my mind. A husband's intimate and sexual performance is private and for Mary to tell me this about Jim makes it clear to all of us where the problem lies with Jim and Mary and why they have corrupted sexual thinking and falsely accuse others.

A couple of women in the ministry that are still attending warned me about Mary being very jealous of other women, and that was her reason for finding problems with other women. Another male member told me that Jim and Mary made degrading comments in his presence about the overweight women in the ministry while he was visiting with Jim and Mary.

I am not the only person that knows what is going on, and I too did not want to believe it, and I blamed myself thinking it was all my fault. And that is just what Jim wants people to believe that it their fault so that they are humbled before Jim Brown. We are to be humbled before God, not Jim Brown. Everyone at this ministry knows how evil Jim and Mary are, yet they worship man Jim Brown, and not God. Beware of this ministry. Jim and Mary do not teach the word of God and is a known fact because they DO NOT ""LIVE"" THE GOSPEL.

This complaint must be put on here so that people are warned about Jim Brown and Mary Brown destroying the lives of people and families due to Jim Brown brain washing people and verbally assaulting them. If a person does not do according to Jim's standards, Jim will approach the person and verbally assault them, which is a state crime. Jim Brown and his wife, Mary, had been verbally abusing people including me along with many other people falling victim to them. And from reading Kyle Jones' written complaint on here, Jim Brown violated the Tennessee law and battered Kyle Jones by making abusive physical contact with Kyle; and with a witness present.

This is to Kyle Jones: Kyle, you are in denial and you are scared, and you do not want to admit to yourself how evil and cruel Jim Brown is and that Jim Brown has not changed and is not going to change, because what happened to you "5" years ago with the verbal degradation by Jim Brown is still continuing, and only God knows who else Jim has battered.

Kyle, when you came to visit after not attending Jim's ministry for a while, and then you returned with a friend to have fellowship at the picnic, and when Jim sees you he slaps you and speaks ungodly to you about your parents and ex-wife. A man of God will not do this to a son of God. And Jesus our Lord told us this in his word in Luke 15:11-24. As stated in Luke two sons of the Father received their inheritance. One son stayed and the younger son gathered up all his things and went away into a distant country, and there he wasted his property, living dissolutely, and due to a severe famine he joined himself to a citizen of that country.

And the young man longed to be filled from the husks which the pigs ate; but no one have to him. But coming to himself, he returned to his father. Kyle, Jesus is telling this to a crowd not only to point out the actions of the young son, but also the action of the father (Overseer).

"But yet being far away, the father saw his younger son and was moved with pity. And running the father fell on his son's neck and fervently kissed him, and said to his slaves 'Bring out the best robe and clothe him, and give a ring for his hand, and sandals for his feet. And bring the fattened calf; slaughter it, and let us be merry.'

Kyle, instead of this happening to you, Jim Brown slapped you and spoke horribly to you about you and your family in the presence of a witness, your friend. Kyle, you wrote on here that Jim Brown teaches truth, but he does not teach truth and Jesus also said this to prove that Jim Brown is not an ordained overseer of God's children, but God has ordained Jim Brown to oversee Satan's children with evil and deception.

Jesus said in Luke 12:42-46 "Who then is that faithful and wise steward whom the lord will set over his house servants (overseers), to give the portion of their food (legal food-nomos) in season? Blessed that slave (overseer) when his lord comes find him so doing. Truly I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. But if that slave (overseer) says in his heart, My lord delays to come, AND BEGINS TO BEAT the men servants, and the female servants, and to eat and to drink, and be drunk, The Lord of that slave (overseer) will come in a day in which he does not expect, and in that hour (very moment), which the slave does not know; and The Lord will cut the slave apart and will put his portion with the unbelievers."

Kyle, Jim Brown has not only beat you, but a tremendous number of people. That's why people leave and don't stay. God has cut Jim and put him with the unbelievers. Are you a portion of the unbelievers? Because if you agree with Jim per God that's where Jim is at this very moment.

Kyle, you have been hurt and are in denial, because you think that Jim Brown has taught you about The Lord. But that is not true. The teaching comes from God and it is solely God that is teaching you, NOT MAN. You're worshipping Jim and are not wanting to believe God and what His word has told you about Satan and the evil actions of Satan's disciples. It's one thing for a man to quote scripture, learn the history, genealogies, and Greek words - that's the easy part and Satan can learn quickly to deceive just as he did in the garden; but "TO LIVE" the gospel (the doing of truth) is the resurrection and power of God in a man/woman.

As stated in 1 Peter 3:21, the baptism is not the putting away of the filth of the flesh (as Jim teaches about the Xmas, Easter, Halloween, etc), BUT THE ANSWER OF A GIOD CONSCIENCE TOWARD GOD """THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST JESUS.""""

Jim Brown's action to you that day did not represent the resurrection of Christ, because when Jim slapped you it seared the conscience of not only you, but that of your friend. Jim Brown did not bring the peace and meekness of God, but instead brought hatred, envy, contention, strife and murdered you and your friend, because all this done by Jim stirred up these emotions in your friend.

Kyle, May God open your eyes to see the evil that is in Jim Brown to turn from this man so that your eyes only see God. Kyle read God's word. Don't listen or watch Jim. This man's portion has been allotted with the unbelievers and you don't belong there.

No matter how thin the pancake, there are always two sides, and there are two sides to every story. It's interesting that your story also includes Jim Brown punching her husband in the eye as well as speaking to her 'privately' in inappropriate ways. That seems a bit suspicious to me. That is an awful lot of drama for one family. I'm sorry but I cannot see Jim having an issue with a couple and taking it out on them without the congregation coming down on him like a ton of bricks. I don't know Jim personally, but I've listened to several hundred hours of his sermons, so I can discern Jim''s short comings and his strengths. Jim teaches truth to a very large degree. If we are God's sheep we can see God's word and proper teacher, and we can also see when the flesh comes out, and I've yet to see a single preacher that were 100%ers. I teach the bible myself, and I blow it from time to time because the flesh will cause me to error. No one can say that Jim has not been diligent in digging into the meat of the word of God. I appreciate this, thank God for it, and have been taught by him some wonderful truths. Could I have gotten it another way? Yes, but God let me be fed by Jim, and I continue to refer to Jim's sermons to aid my personal studies.
To the complaint:

Deu_19:15 "A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses shall a charge be established.

I find it a bit difficult to believe that Jim met alone with the women, and even if was willing to do that, the woman should not have done so. There should have, and probably was a witness to all interaction. If it was one on one, then the matter needs to be dismissed by the requirement of Deut 19:15. I would advise this women to never approach a pastor one on one, and the pastor to never be so foolish as to meet one on one either. This is a recipe for allegations, that can be neither confirmed or denied. Thank God for his standard of two or three witnesses.

A lot of people say they love God, declare they have faith, but do not have the works. Faith without works is dead, just as the body without the spirit is dead, as stated in James 2. Jim Brown says he has faith, but no works to back faith. The Holy Spirit must be in a man to give a man faith. Jim Brown is a liar and father of lies. He and the ministry mentally harassed a woman on her dress. Jim Brown even confronted this woman and told her alone without her husband present that she was showing her tits. And then during the letter reading stated that he did not call them tits, but nipples, which is just as bad a filthy word to speak in public. It has been stated that this woman had no money for a decent bra, and instead of helping her, they condemned her, and Jim Brown failed to go directly to this woman's husband to assist her, and instead disgraced this man by going directly to this woman alone and spoke ungodly to her about her body part. A man of God would not have acted they way Jim Brown did, and if so, would have spoken to the husband and repented by now for punching the husband of this woman in his eye. What Jim Brown did is just as bad as punching God in His eye, yet Jim Brown has yet to repent and apologize to this man for treating his wife this way. Therefore, it goes to prove that Jim Brown states that he loves God, but yet his actions speak differently. Jim Brown's faith is dead. He is a poor leader, a blind leader, that is leading the blind, and they're in a ditch (hell, with weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth); and, are devouring each other.

I'll just be honest. I don't believe The Bible, nor do I subscribe to Jim Brown's teachings. In short, I'm not a 'believer'. However, Grace and Truth Ministries serves as a wonderful example of Bronze Age thinking time-warped to the Information Age, and I hope they keep their operation going to make apparent and drive home the facts that (1.) Modern Christianity is greatly distorted from its original form, and (2.) Original Christianity serves no purpose other than controlling people, sabotaging the human species, and generally getting on people's nerves. Keep up the 'euodoo' (well-way), guys! I'm a big fan of the G&T counter-culture, and its kool kookiness. However, I suggest you fellas might need to get out and have fun a little more often.

Although i have not read all of these postings, I can say that i did attend Jim's Church and loved it. I was told to never believe anybody not even Jim himself, to study for myself. Needless to say I did. I have learned a lot by Jim, he lead me in the right direction the rest was up to me. I would love to see Jim debate a free willer. I was never told to go out and seek false preachers only to not fall for their lies and call them out when they did. I was once sharing the truth with a stranger and was confronted by an older man who was a priest, when he was confounded by a 24 year old woman his only rebuff was that i didnt know anything because i was to young. I liked to point out that Jesus was about 12 when he did the same to the scribes. He didnt say much after that. But then again he couldnt say anything back about predestination or the scriptures that i gave him. Thanks to God not Jim, God is using Jim, like God used Mary. Mary isnt to be worshipped, she was a tool used by God. Just like Jim is a tool, he is not to be worshipped either, to bad some people cant see that. And to those who dont like the truth, well who does, but Gods word is Gods word! Just because you dont like it dont make it not true. I sure didnt like it at all, it is like a real birth. The canal is hard and small and I didnt want to fit through it, but once i came out the other side and was reborn, it was a piece to know that God is in control not us. It sure does take a huge burden off of my shoulders. But just thought i would share. I hope God Blesses you all (well words).

Hello Kyle, My initial comment was with regard to the main complaint. I had not read any of the postings before I posted mine. I have just read back a ways through some of the comments, many of them yours. Jim just recently did a wonderful sermon #3061. He pointed out things about people that I'm certain he is aware apply to him as well. He said we'll grow up to be like our parents. For example, Jim at times engages in the same kind of teaching style that he accused his father of. I started listening to Jim about 6-8 months ago after stumbling onto some of his teachings on Youtube. I've since listened to several hundred hours of his teachings. Some of them wonderful, some of them, well. Not. Some are not entirely truth, but I can see, given his personality why he has bent the texts in those directions at those times. I cannot discount though, how much Jim has taught me, as well as encouraged me to study more for myself, and I thank God for that. Jim, in some of his teachings has given a wonderful analogy of teachings being a combination of 'chocolate' (truth), and 'gasoline' (lies). When the elect listen to a preacher they are drinking this mixture through a straw and can tell they are getting chocolate and gasoline. I for one extract the chocolate, and try to leave the gasoline. I have yet to hear ANY, , , I'll say it again, , , ANY man produce pure chocolate, and that goes for me too when my mouth gets ahead of God's word. I give Jim a very high chocolate rating. I sometimes wonder if God doesn't leave things this way as a protection to his sheep to the danger of following a man. Thinking him a prophet (beyond the basic use of the word where a person conveys the word of God) and then giving him more power and control in our lives than was every meant to be. Jim will be the first to tell you that Christ is the head of the church, and not a man. The contradictory part of that will sometimes be the actions of that same man who behaves in opposition to what he teaches. Can we avoid that? Paul couldn't avoid sinning. Neither can Jim, or the rest of us. I really like what Jim had to say in #3061. Again, I don't fellowship with Jim because I"m in Arizona so it's easy for me to say these things, but I feel given my limitations to know these things, even if I was there, that God is dealing with that side of Jim that needs to be 'made new'. The things that he has inherited from his father. I'm sure in those moments of reflection and repentance that Jim is horrified by what he has done. It's just not so easy to put off the flesh as much as we want to. We all have a journey of tribulation in front of us until the day of our Lord. I imagine among the men I want to meet will be Jim. I want to throw my arms around him and tell him that I love him too. - Mark

Hello Kyle, My initial comment was with regard to the main complaint. I had not read any of the postings before I posted. I have just read back a ways through some of the comments, many of them yours. Jim just recently did a wonderful sermon #3061. He pointed out things about people that I'm certain he is aware apply to him as well. He said we'll grow up to be like our parents. For example, Jim at times engages in the same kind of teaching style that he accused his father of. I started listening to Jim about 6-8 months ago after stumbling onto some of his teachings on Youtube. I've since listened to several hundred hours of his teachings. Some of them wonderful, some of them, well. Not. Some are not truth, but I can see, given his personality why he has bent the texts in those directions. I cannot discount though, how much Jim has taught me and I thank God for that. Jim in some of his teachings has given a wonderful analogy of teachings being a combination of 'chocolate' (truth), and 'gasoline' (lies). When the elect listen to a preacher they are drinking this mixture through a straw and can tell they are getting chocolate and gasoline. I for one extract the chocolate, and try to leave the gasoline. I have yet to hear ANY, , , I'll say it again, , , ANY man produce pure chocolate, and that goes for me too when my mouth gets ahead of God's word. I give Jim a very high chocolate rating. I sometimes wonder if God doesn't leave things this way as a protection to his sheep to the danger of following a man. Thinking him a prophet (beyond the basic use of the word where a person conveys the word of God) and then giving him more power and control in our lives than was every meant to be. Jim will be the first to tell you that Christ is the head of the church, and not a man. The contradictory part of that will sometimes be the actions of that same man who behaves in opposition to what he teaches. Can we avoid that? Paul couldn't avoid sinning. Neither can Jim, or the rest of us. I really like what Jim had to say in #3061. Again, I don't fellowship with Jim because I"m in Arizona so it's easy for me to say these things, but I feel given my limitations to know these things, even if I was there, that God is dealing with that side of Jim that needs to be 'made new'. The things that he has inherited from his father. I'm sure in those moments of reflection and repentance that Jim is horrified by what he has done. It's just not so easy to put off the flesh as much as we want to. We all have a journey of tribulation in front of us until the day of our Lord. I imagine among the men I want to meet will be Jim. I want to throw my arms around him and tell him that I love him too. - Mark

Trooth Seeker, I believe that Jim is a modern day voice of God's truths. I have been his student/ son (in the early stages of my +25 years personal experience with Jim. I have stated my son to dad relationship with Jim to express the distinction between Jim as a proud man in his flesh all the way to the abused title of a 'called prophet'. Jim fits best as a great Bible Teacher. It's my history of my experience with Jim from root beginnings of his church to present day. In his statement of faith-history on his website...I am the 'other young man' who started the church with Jim, Mary (Jim's wife) and Eric, Jim's son. There is no greater Bible teacher out there than Jim in my opinion. My desire is for truth. As to this site, I have finished my experience proclamations as the 'other son' to Jim, as pertaining to my personal experiences/problems I have experienced. --- Though, my proclamations were also 'truths' as to the string of experiences that were a result from a sequence of other issues (Hence, the meaning/definition of "truth''). ANYWAY, It's the message of GOD's "TRUTHS" that I want ---so, i, personally, try not to 'need' my past to determine my listening behaviors for Jim's sermons. Jim's lectures from his Church produce the strongest messages for Christ and HIS Church that I know in the modern day.

With a sigh, ...i have commented on this page like having had a bad marriage, and sadly---I just can't 'marry' the two experiences that I have personally had--i.e., that I could go there physically to Jim's church again and listen to God's Word. I will continue to listen to him on audio, video...via internet and radio...
To all who read this should know that Jim is without a doubt the best Bible teacher and most honest that I know... THIS alone should be the strongest witness for Jim with ALL of our horrid past personal experiences. To those wives who would want their husbands to abandon what Jim is teaching...you're making a mistake... The truths that Jim teaches will be what makes a man Not cheat, not leave, not waiver...but the adverse.
I'm truly done with this site.

I listen to Jim Brown's bible teachings. I know that at times Jim gets caught up in the passion of the bible message, and also the emotional effect of things that have happened in his past, like the mistaken teachings of his father, and his abuse toward Jim. I look past the person and at his message. Jim is a rare bible teacher in that he strives for truth. If you doubt his teachings on Predestination, Christmas is pagan, Roman Catholicism is state built church founded on universalism, and then branded as Christian, do your own research. Read up on the respected characters in the church, the martyrs over the last ~2000 years. You'll find that what Jim Brown is teaching is in alignment. I do my own bible study, and have been a seeker of truth for a long time. I thank God for Jim and his courage to speak the truth in the face of adversity. This is the daily cross that Christ spoke of. Jim teaches truth, yes, at times he falls victim to the flesh, as Paul said I do what I ought not, and what I should do I don't. Look at Jim in the spirit, and not the flesh and realize, if you've taken the time to understand the concept of a lifelong process of being conformed to the image of Christ (Rom 8:28, 29, Phil 1:6). Jim is by no means perfected, nor are the people that fellowship with him.
Be like the Berean Jews, and search the scriptures to see if what Jim is teaching is true (Acts 17:11)

i just read "leveled to him"" 's letter again.. I can't believe you took what you wanted to and hacked the context right out of anything important that was being addressed. You can quote a Bible passage or state an altruism, but, via 'hacking the context' to 'a defense' of someone verses reading what is being said...is the SAME as lying. You're ridiculous

(last paragraph correction- "I have *said* ALL that I have said on this forum...etc. " )

one more thing, i bet that LTH is a church member at Jim's - in some capacity, because LTH is 'equating' going to Jim's as 'bowing to GOD'. THIS equivocation of 'going to Jim's ' and 'bowing to GOD ' is EXACTLY what I mean when i speak of the cultic nature of Jim's church that is sooo hard to see when YOU ARE IN IT; - i.e., 'lines that are crossed' or 'categories that are confused'. It's THIS allowance, passively, from Jim himself, that was created by the power of a strong mind, like Jim's. It is THIS that you can tell who is in Jim's church. THIS is the 'tattoo' or 'mark' of the 'confusion' at Jim's.
MY POINT is that Jim teaches "TRUTHS" that are without argument ---BUT, it is the "LINES of Demarkation'' from man, GOD, Church, Church Leader, teaching, facts, TRUTHS vs "THE TRUTH" that are NOT CLARIFIED.
I have say ALL that I've ever said on this forum because this is all that I've experienced, seen, witnessed to NOT JUST MYSELF (though, this is why-how I feel justified in speaking of these things) ...but, for MANY others who have come into Jim's "fold'' ..ONLY to leave hurt, abandoned, confused, etc...and still Love GOD but be wandering.

thanks, Sesol--I appreciate you being able to see the 'bigger sense' to what I'm trying to convey, concerning Jim. The commentator, ''Leveled to him'', isn't getting it.
"LeveledtoHim" doesn't understand that one has to be able to categorize the differences of church 'offices' or functions to understand that Jim can be right in his 'academic' or scholastic treatments within history, theology, languages, etc. but miss entirely the categories of humane treatment of the people around him in some sense of Church order (usually those who are not willing to be in his 'fold' but love GOD). 'LeveledtoHim (LTH)'' took my quotes completely out of the context. I was expressing the tome of thought concerning SEPARATE instances. LTH hacked my letters IN THAT "LeveledtoHim' tried to get a 'confused' notion about my feelings. All of my 'feelings, thoughts, etc'' are in context with what was happening and what has happened to me while I was at Jim's Church and the process of getting out, and, finally, now, not being there. The 'complexity' of all of this is that when you are young, defenseless, not capable of having a strong thought to that of a matured man, vulnerable, etc - and wanting truth--it impossible to 'see' the the misrepresentation of authority ---as true authority has it's boundaries if applied right.

Peace in the Name of The Lamb,
I read every single post on this board, and have seen many of Jim Brown's videos. I can totally see where Kyle Jones is coming from. My son set up the living room TV to be able to stream Youtube videos and the first video we watched was "God does not love everybody!" My wife came out of the bedroom wondering what all the screaming was about. I didn't know how to explain what it actually was. Jim Brown is an excellent teacher, but is very much lacking, IMO, in how he conveys the truth. And yes, Biblically, His message is sound. I guess what's missing is love, charity.
1 Corinthians 13:2
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing!
Peace to each of you!

My goodness people! You can mock all you want but it is pride, because everything you have God has given to you.1 Corinthians 4:7. Are we not commanded to love each other, edify each other and build up the body of Christ? Knowledge puffs up but love builds. We can agree or disagree about Jim Brown's teaching but we all may be a little shocked when we get to heaven by how we were wrong or blinded in some areas. I have listened to several of Jim's sermon and agree on so much, not that it makes a difference, God's word is truth whether I agree or not. God is sovereign and He chose me for salvation-I did nothing but run from Him. It is time we, as Christians honor Him and praise and thank Him for that great gift rather than stab each other. No one is going to stand before our Lord and say I have a PhD or I did this or that because He chose the base and lowly so no flesh should glory before God.