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One of my family members had the WORST experience with Gina and not only is she COMPLETELY UNPROFESSIONAL, she is nasty to boot! She seems to act entitled and doesn't cover her bases and even acted angry with a family member of mine. She isn't the most intelligent person I have met either and she forgets to cover her bases sometimes, too. I think the worst part of the experience wasn't the mediocre advice but, her blatant disrespect and intimidatingly horrific attitude. Don't do business with Gina!
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
HAH! I knew they would be ratted out eventually. But for a different reason than what I know about these two.
Thank you for these posts
Gina is coming down my facebook feed quoting the bible and branding herself as if she is woman of faith
I thought she may be inauthentic because I remember 7 years ago
She was promoting a coaching program with no mention of bible scripture
Thank you
I avoided possible loss of money
Why is she still able to market on FB and perhaps other social media platforms
A close friend was taken advantage of by DLA. Any interest in proceeding with a class-action suit?
Not even a chance. Gina's contracts are crafted by very sharp lawyers to prevent any litigation, plus her contracts say "no refunds will be granted", also she doesn't guarantee any results, so basically your friend is on her own. Gina's programs are for very wealthy women who already make good money and don't mind spending $30, 000 plus to feel special because they belong to Divine Living Club
Gina is a FRAUD. She is a money grabber, obviously and am not surprised by all the complaints on here. I knew her very intimately and not surprised that she has created this FALSE sense of enormous wealth. She came from middle America and this man she hooked up with appear to be living a nouveau riche lifestyle, most likely maintained from the foolish women who have willingly and or been tricked by Gina and her grotesque husband to give them money. Gina does not have the success nor background to be teaching and or preaching about how to run a successful business. She's an amateur, out to get all you gullible women. Stop giving her money.
Gina Ratliffe DeVee and Glenn Sisk are one step removed (if that) from being con artists.
Most of the "success" stories she has are from promoting her clients to her list. As soon as they stop paying her, poof, their income drops because she does not teach real business skills or strategy. I know this to be true as I personally know many of the women she worked with. If you get any of them behind closed doors (sometimes with a glass of wine) they will ALL share that they think she's a fraud, unethical and unkind.
She charged $10k to teach Facebook ads in the first round of The Academy. Seriously? The first round was supposed to be ICF certified, it wasn't. The only strategy she really taught was to schmooze in FB groups then pitch a "high vibe" intensive which would lead to a "high vibe" 3-month program. Or to place a FB ad for a free call that would lead to a pitch- only she spent more time talking about manifesting than how to target your audience so you don't waste a bunch of time and money.
A lot of the testimonials are also padded or missing the full story. For example, one coach raved about her $20k month but left out the fact that she didn't earn another dime the rest of the year... Another talked about leaving her corporate job and making 6 figures in 6 months. She didn't share that she had already been coaching for 3 years while IN her corporate job.
Gina's idea of coaching is to throw around meaningless buzz words and to keep repeating back what the client said. If that, plus her "strategy" wasn't enough to help you start earning multiple six-figures or more then you can repeat The Academy, for a very steep price. Most programs (at a fraction of the cost) allow you to repeat it for free or at a huge discount. Not greedy Gina.
She's rude, classless and morally corrupt. Stay away.
Two con artists - Let's start with Glenn Sisk - she promotes him like he is a real medical doctor. guy is a chiropractor. he never made any money without Gina. He claims he was a heavy hitter buying and selling chirpractic clinics pulling in bank. anybody that knows about the chiropractic business knows it ain't like that. He teaches men and money and love classes. That't funny since the guy is on this third or fourth marriage. Luckily I saw through these sleazy people after my Gina suggested I talk to sleazy Glenn. He told me hiring him was a no brainer. for 10, 000 dollars. Nope did not do it and have no regrets. He thinks Osho - rajneesh is a spiritual leader. Anothe con artist known as the bentley guru.
notice how they pick up and leave city to city like gypsy con artists.
This is my second year in a row that I've been in the Divine Living Academy. My first year, I went through her certification track. For those of you saying the program isn't accredited by ICF - it is. It may not have been at the time, but it does take time to go through this process.
I have had nothing but an incredible experience with Gina and her ENTIRE team. I consider them family. I went from barely making rent to high 5-figure months and traveling the world in just 18 months by following her coaching. As with anything, I firmly believe that things get better with time. I put courses out as "beta" courses, and refine them over time based on feedback. I can't speak for the way things used to be, but I wouldn't be where I'm at now without her guidance and support. Not just lifestyle-wise and financially - I've lost weight, my marriage and relationship with my children is better than ever, and I'm no longer stuck in the cycle of depression I've dealt with my entire life.
Sure, there have been times where I've seen her be a little brash to those in the program. However, I probably would have reacted the same way. We're human, right? This year, I haven't seen any of that.
wow Maybe tats why gods doing for me what I am unable to do and see and not open this door. he said i know the thoughts and plans I have for you. However everyone does have a different experience. in each circumstances.
Rebecca Tracey
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 4:50 PM
I’m hesitant about encouraging name-naming, because there are always 2 sides to every story and sometimes there are misunderstandings that arise that are better worked out between you and your coach… And i understand wanting to know. I’m going to ask that we keep names out of this comment thread. Thank you!
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Hannah
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 4:54 PM
Yep. This. So much. It happens with pure life coaching too, and it gives coaching in general a bad name. Whatever the niche, the whole point of coaching is to help people, not to squeeze them into ill-fitting boxes for the sake of making a quick buck. It seems like there is a constant stream of pissing contests (pun intended) in some coaching circles around pricing and income. I’m all for people making money, especially for a valuable service well done, but the underlying intention and energy around a lot of those conversations feels gross and way more about ego than integrity.
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Lauren Garcia
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 4:56 PM
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting what I’ve been thinking and ranting about for many months now! I have hired several business coaches and they guarantee these numbers and these overnight success stories and it seems all flashy and nice at first until you throw away thousands and are in debt and realize that it did little to NOTHING for you. Then to make it worse, when they’re constantly flaunting it, it makes you sad (and mad) because you’re like “wait…so what am I doing so wrong that doesn’t allow me to have that life though?” **downward spiral thinking** It’s so unhealthy! We should be focused on our clients amazing results, mindset shifts, etc — and the lies and the overnight money success stories need to stop! :)
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 9:01 AM
I’m so sorry you have had that experience Lauren!
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Brittany
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 5:51 PM
OMG, I was JUST thinking this like last week. Okay I don’t want to name names BUT a “coach” I worked with in July of 2014 suddenly in 6 months did 500k in sales. I was her ONLY client in july. I actually fired her because I felt like she couldn’t help me …….now she’s turned into this huuuuuuge sensation, was flat broke, now lives the life travel; 5* hotels, bla bla bla ….. and suddenly she’s some business expert ? WTF !
I specifically remember the moment I decided not to work with her, its because she said in our session “well, I just don’t know what to say to you…..” UM then WHY am I paying you ?
Anyways, this is a huge debate, I’m irritated by all these fake business coaches too. I ran an 80k window cleaning business when I was 19 …. I don’t claim to be a business coach but I can say that I DO have some strategy and techniques up my sleeve
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Graciela
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 5:58 PM
Amazing… that has scam written all over it…
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Sonja
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 5:56 PM
Yaas! Persiscope is the new “Monetize Market”. I just want to help people start their salons or clothing boutiques without going broke or insane. I’ve done both for the last 20 years. I’ve given advice that people have said totally helped them for free. Now if like to make an income from it as well. And the whole Niche Hong. Yes be specific, but have any of you on here included some of your personal knowledge / life into your business? If so how’s that been working?
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Rosie
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 11:37 PM
Yes I can’t help but include my personal knowledge/life into my business. I’m 66 I’ve had a lot of it. It’s a big part of what makes me the coach I am!
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Cynthia
OCTOBER 19, 2015 AT 3:50 PM
I thought I was the only one that noticed periscope is the new money maker for coaches
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Victoria Gibson
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 6:23 PM
Excellent post, thanks for sharing and kicking off such a valuable discussion. Like any big investment, you should always do your due diligence and ask the tough questions about the track record of any business coach you are considering. They should be completely transparent and give you case studies and a detailed strategy recommendation for your business, as you have rightly said. Make sure you choose to invest for strategy, guidance and support and not out of desperation or in seeking a “magic bullet”, we all now how those decisions can go.
One strategy rarely works in isolation so ensure your coach is not just a “one-trick pony” teaching one strategy for success, because a more holistic approach is required to grow a sustainable and profitable business. Marketing is absolutely necessary, but is useless if your positioning is all wrong or your heart isn’t behind your offer and your pricing is all wrong.
Growing a coaching or consulting business online is hard work and stakes can be high, and people can make mistakes as they find their way with their message to market, but taking the steps recommended here is a great start to making sure you are making an investment rather than a costly error.
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Quiana
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 6:32 PM
I am so happy to run across this blog. I am a business and brand strategist myself and been in business since I was 19. I just launched like three months ago and I also have ran into so many coaches that pronounce their money scheme, how much they made in the month, year, etc…and sometimes it can be discouraging but I have been telling myself that I must stay TRUE TO ME and I want to provide value for my clients and my goal is to make my clients experience freedom and fulfillment. I walk with my clients from A to Z concerning business, connecting them to resources and people as necessary, while ensuring they are fully supported to do what it needs to be done. I am definitely not in the game for pronouncing how much money to get you because I rather let my clients do the raving, but once you sign up for something on Facebook like coaching programs or like other folks pages, Facebook will show you more and more other people that are coaching and it is ridiculous and eye-opening to see what is really going on in this industry. You are right…they are fluffy….I call it fluffy unicorns that have not weight and is all fantasy because as long as I have been in business, it has been a slow and steady progress with authentic connections and resources. Anything fast should be discerned anyway. But you definitely spoke my heart on this and it just reminds me to stay encouraged and stay being authentic to my self and tell the truth. People want authentic stories and real people and real expectations.
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 10:11 AM
Keep doing what you’re doing and stay authentic and people will notice :)
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Jennifer Trask
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 7:41 PM
Awesome post! I actually have a similar post coming out soon like this as it is SUCH an important topic. When I see those stories the biggest thing I look for is sustainability. It can be easy to get lucky, but sustainability is key. As well, I’ve been coaching coaches for almost four years now and it hurts my heart to think that people are giving false hope to coaches out there. Can you make 6 figures in your first year? Of course! Will you? Statistically, probably not! There are too many variables to be considered that can determine your income and if you are new to business with little resources, there is so much to learn! It’s such a falsehood. As a coach as well, until we start working with someone we don’t really know how much inner work will be necessary nor are we in charge of how long it takes someone to break through no matter how trained we are. We each have our own journey.
Great post on an important topic. Thanks for sharing!
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Gill Stannard
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 8:40 PM
Thank you! I’ve just listened to a teleseminar by a well known coach, who spruiks the ‘I run a six figure company and only work a few hours a week” line. I actually like her, though her approach is not one that’s right with me. In the teleseminar she talked of being in hospital recently and stressing about money because she’s the breadwinner in the family and it was going to all come crashing down if her friends hadn’t bailed her out. I thought “with this six figure income – you’d think you’d have a better contingency plan?” (and I say that as someone who has run a small business for 25 years and had a health crisis a couple of years ago – and a contingency that allowed me to take up to a year off without sweating).
I’m primarily a naturopath and health coach, but have a niche coaching health professionals. They tend to come to me disillusioned after they’ve done the rounds of coaches who promise them the dollars. I rarely talk about money, rather about the lifestyle that will support them best to be the kind of health professional they want to be. 20 years ago, the health professionals who sought my help did so because they wanted to be a better practitioner, they wanted to learn more about their art and improve their ability to help others. The focus now is predominantly “how can I get rich quick?’ I focus on authenticity and integrity to help them create the kind of practice/business they want for a long term career, and leave the quick fix promises to the coaching ‘gurus’ who work in the real of ‘hungry ghosts’.
I don’t want a tribe of hundreds of high profile clients or thousands of hangers on – I want to work with those who are prepared to do the work through improving themselves and what they offer, rather than those after a cookie-cutter answer. My tribe might be smaller but the ones that show up are worth the wait. So in a way I thank all those bulls*t artist coaches, they sift the wheat from the chaff and in their own sweet way, help the genuine clients find their way to type of coach they really need.
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Lisa
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 11:43 PM
Amen! *snap snap*
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Shay
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 9:58 PM
Just here to join the amen choir. This is my first full year in business and it’s absolutely crazy how many coaches are getting in it to get rich. That’s the exactly wrong why.
It’s so bad now that the sales landing pages automatically make me click away. No more emails, no more promises. I’ve been way more focused and productive after getting rid of the junk.
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Meghan Telpner
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 10:33 PM
Yes yes YES! Like many in my circle, I assume, I am served these ridiculous “be a six-figure” coach ads all the time. Girls dressed up in fancy clothes with 0 engagement on their socials and just a load of paid for followers.
It’s unfortunate that it gives this belief that people starting out can and should expect such immediate financial gains. I fear it invites people who don’t see five or six figures in their first year to quit before they even start.
It’s a known fact that more often than not- it takes two years for a company to even be profitable, let alone net six figures. It’s just misleading nonsense.
I have wanted to write about this for a long time and often talk about this issue with my students- so thank you!
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Laura
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 11:10 PM
BECCA! YOU WIN! I’ve had so many gag-reflexes at these “$10K in 10 minutes” pitches, and then want to literally punch myself when I get told that I just have the right “ABUNDANCE” mindset. Oh, like I’m not in a cult? No thanks… steady beats peak & crash any day. Thank you for writing this!
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Rosie
SEPTEMBER 30, 2015 AT 11:45 PM
Becca thank you. I was just about to unsubscribe cos I need to down size my inbox but honey. you’re staying! I have also read through all the comments and have seen named so much that I have been mulling over. I am going up a notch from a little bit of accountability coaching to a balanced life and accountability and am wanting to change my clients too. So I found a coach who is helping me with my niche and my words etc. So in theory she is a teaching coaches to coach but this woman is genuine and has been coaching for 10 years so she deserves some success now.
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Mallie Rydzik
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 1:25 PM
Check out UnrollMe.com to declutter your inbox without having to unsubscribe! It puts all your subscriptions into a daily digest that you can peruse at your leisure.
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Sera
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 5:29 AM
This has put extreme fire back in my soul!
I could say soo much more, but most has been covered and I am glad there are others who find this type of practise unacceptable. I am passionate about my coaching work and I do understand that some people are just trying to live & get business going, and may think telling a few untruthful facts will not hurt, but it will…It will do damage to others, financially & emotionally due to the fact they have no idea how to coach correctly, or don’t really give a hoot about the wellbeing of others..
Thank you for this article x
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Sara
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 6:00 AM
The saddest part about all of this – from copying the 10k in 10 Days frenzy neo-pyramid scheme desperation to literally copying other people’s messages and content – is the fact that we all have some unique gift to give the world.
If we allow ourselves to embrace that, align with it, and be authentic, we will have steady growth because it is aligned. Some may be lucky to see growth go quicker than others, but there will be growth of the most broadly fulfilling kind for both client and coach.
Instead, people are now either being fed by 1) a feeling that “Oh! I am not making x amount I must be doing it wrong!” – the manipulative abuse of the term “Playing it small” is common in these neo-pyramid schemes and many women are believing that message; or 2) They have paid 10k plus to learn how to ask others for 10k plus and are in such debt it makes them desperate.
If they had just embraced their authentic gifts, they would have so much more of a belief in themselves and the chance for true, sustainable success (which may take time) aligned with your core vision and beliefs is so much higher.
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Sudha
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 6:44 AM
It’s been few months since I have been following some groups and some coach websites. Initially I find it interesting. Now, I am really bored…Glad I came across your website rebecca. Your posts are BS proof.
I love being part of groups to connect with people and share knowledge and “The Desire Map” group has helped me a lot for soul to soul connection. But, many people or lets say life coach added me in facebook through that group and when I accept that they instantly add me to their group with not much authentic posts. Its freaking annoying. Then, i saw this post of yours. I am deleting and unsubscribing some people right away ;)
But, I wonder, how they get so many good testimonials by clients. It is in website. Even, about the one who you mentioned in your earlier blog post that she copied it. Her website is still running too. Its chaotic.
But, I think, when somebody is really truly being honest and flaunting their honesty and authenticity then we can really connect with them or feel good. I love the posts of Heyshenee too.
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Sara
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 7:28 AM
“But, I wonder, how they get so many good testimonials by clients”
Firstly, people like the idea of their names and websites in the testimonial section. Nothing wrong with that. I actually WANT to promote my clients. I adore them, I love working with them, and I take them on because I believed in them from the beginning (I have a policy to send people to other coaches who I think could help them better if we are not aligned.)
Secondly, AFFILIATE MARKETING. This is HUGE. Marie Forleo grows her business partially on the affiliates who get 50% of her program cost. Plus she has an army of lawyers out there to squish the dissidents. Let me be clear, I think Marie is a wonderful, inspiring cheerleader. I like her on many levels. But in the end, I got the most from the B-school community and her videos. Her program itself? Meh. A bit of a brain dump, leads to a lot of overwhelm and many people blame themselves for not “finishing” when I think it is time she cleans it up and focusses. But 50% of the investment for putting her link on my site is even tempting for me. Until I realise I won’t be able to say honestly what I think of the program – why it is worth investing in (community, networking, inspiration, perhaps one or two things form the exercises) and what is not (TMI, ADHD brain dump in the material).
Lastly, people like Gina de Vee use an entire neo-pyramid system in her programs that rewards the big investment clients by giving them the most promotion and attention.
This is a structural psychological tactic – I need to show my devotion to get attention and feel worthy. It works very well for solopreneurs who are already questioning themselves and insecure because they are already buying into the idea that they are not enough, not making enough, need to trade in their values for the divine luxury lifestyle to feel valuable.
Lovely people – YOU ARE ENOUGH. You DO need to put in the work. No, it does not have to be 24/7. But it does need to be consistent to who you are, to your purpose and gifts, to your values, to your vision, to your style while pushing your learning curve and opening you up to becoming more awesome.
And you have to be willing to let it grow.
You do not give birth to a child ready to go university. You give birth to a child and you nurture that child to the point where you both learn and grow.
xxx
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:18 AM
You do not give birth to a child ready to go university. You give birth to a child and you nurture that child to the point where you both learn and grow. — YES!
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Rebecca
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 4:45 PM
Beautifully said Sara :)
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Sara
OCTOBER 3, 2015 AT 7:50 AM
Thanks!
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Cynthia
OCTOBER 19, 2015 AT 4:15 PM
Sara you nailed it on the head with your post.
Also, the “rag to riches to story” ” Look at me luxurious lifestyle” can properly be traced to a few coaches and that is what everyone has been modeling. I believe is the same thing as the “SEO, Internet marketing, Get rich quick” just in a different spin.
The problem is many people do not want to think for themselves and do not understand someone else’s formula cannot just readily “copy and paste” fit into your business and lifestyle. You have to tweak, add, test it in order for you to be successful, and that is where something called ” BEING THE HARDEST WORKING PERSON YOU HAVE EVER KNOWN COMES IN.
That part cannot be skipped, you have to work your ### off and it takes time. NOT learning, NOT reading, NOT wasting time in FB groups. Actually taking actions, implementing and executing and checking this off. But guess what nobody wants to hear that, that is why they fall for these scams.
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Trenia
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 9:54 AM
Such a great topic, Becca. No offense to anyone here, but I see a lot of business, coaches even in this comments thread, perhaps doing some of the same things you spoke about, but are quick to point out “not me, I don’t do that”.
I think the coaches who get hit the hardest by these pyramid coaching schemes and big promises are those of us who aren’t B2B coaches in any way, shape, form or fashion. I have yet to see a true life coach hit it big like a Marie Forleo. There are some who are doing pretty well, and maybe even high 6-figures, but I haven’t seen any 7-figure earners. Doesn’t mean they aren’t out there, I just don’t know any of them. It’s really sad when I hear stories from lifestyle turned business coaches who talk about how they struggled, but when they became a B2B coach their business took off.
As a love and relationship coach, it took me 10 years to tweak my ideas, learn about business, network and learn how to put myself out there and what tools to use, all while having a full-time job. I had to do all of that before I was able to go full-time in my business. I don’t think it needs to take nearly as long, as I had a lot of detours, but even with all of my experience, I’m not trying to teach somebody else how to run a business.
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Kelly
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 12:23 PM
Tina I’ve seen a few names in these comments that do exhibit this type of behavior as well. Quite blatantly in fact. I’m not sure if they are trying to defuse the finger pointing at themselves, or if they don’t truly understand how it is that they come off in their marketing. Maybe they are truly living that lifestyle they are selling, but are they truly helping at least 80% of their clients to achieve it too? And then my next thought is that it would really suck if those few really ARE the ones who are being honest and we’re doubting them because of the plethora of liars out there. This whole situation is lose-lose on all fronts.
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Sara
OCTOBER 3, 2015 AT 7:54 AM
“Maybe they are truly living that lifestyle they are selling, but are they truly helping at least 80% of their clients to achieve it too? ”
There is the crux of it all indeed.
I do not need to hear about your luxury lifestyle. If anything that tells me you are out for my money so you can lead that lifestyle. That you may even be addicted to it.
What I do need to hear are true stories about the unique successes of your clients. The goals you both set for them and where they are in achieving them.
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Graciela
OCTOBER 5, 2015 AT 9:46 PM
Exactly… don’t make it about you and how you GET TO LIVE… make it about what your clients have accomplished with your help. The thing is if there’s not much to say there, all you can do if show off YOUR silky lifestyle and hope to blind people with it.
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Sara
OCTOBER 3, 2015 AT 7:54 AM
True stories = without affiliate links behind them.
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Iris
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 10:00 AM
Thank you for putting your finger on something that I”d been feeling uncomfortable about. Ever since I started joining business groups on Facebook – I’m an artist – I’ve been getting TONS of ‘How I made x money in y months” ads, and they always feel icky. Kind of like people telling you how all your problems will be solved if you just play the lottery, because that’s how easy it is! Lucky breaks exist, but most of business is just hard work, showing up and constant refining
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:19 AM
Absolutely Iris! It must be interesting to see this as an artist and not a primarily online business… I feel like 6 figures isn’t a typical goal as an artist!
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Megan
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 10:36 AM
I find it so terribly ironic that all the coaches that do aspirational marketing (this icky feeling stuff) are all now posting in their Facebook groups about how we are supposed to be nice to coaches and to quit being mean. That those of us that don’t like the “truth” have scarcity thinking and are just jealous of their success.
Oh, ladies. I so, so beg to differ.
I’ve been a business consultant and coach for 15 years. I’ve worked with everyone from etsy sellers to multi-million dollar business owners. I’ve been in the trenches and I know the deep responsibility that we owe our clients…and our industry.
The coaching industry has become a MLM scheme, and the only way it’s going to stop is if people stop buying into it. But every day, there are new women joining Facebook groups and seeing this stuff for the first time…and they believe it. Hook, line, and sinker. But there is no way to let others know! If you write a bad review, the coach turns the review into a “you didn’t do the hard work! It’s your fault”…It’s a never ending cycle of poo, if you ask me.
I suppose that really what we all need to do is to not be so f-ing desperate and gullible. It takes hard work to make money in business…and anyone that tells you differently has something to sell you.
Megan
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:21 AM
LOL nailed it – we should all be nice and stop putting other women down and blah blah… but it only seems to be the ones who are guilty of this who are saying those things. And YES to blaming the client for not getting results… the coach needs to take some responsibility.
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Naomi
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 2:15 PM
I didn’t know about Wayback Machine and I told my boyfriend about it…..he’s so excited and already using it for an hour going back in time checking out very first sites from years back. It’s amazing to see Marie Forleo’s history of progress! Fun website! Thanks for sharing
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:22 AM
It’s awesome isn;t it! Gives us a real perspective on the evolution of a business (and helps us not feel like we have to be perfect right off the bat!)
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Valerie
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 2:38 PM
Thanks for this Rebecca
It can be so disheartening to hear this as so indisputable that our worst suspicions are real sometimes. I’ve had this conversation with friends who ask -can people really make a living as a coach? I tell them yes. Many of them don’t understand. The ones not in the helping biz anyway. There there are the charlatans that pray people and call themselves coaches. These people damage the name of coaches and it’s so unfortunate, but there are people like this in every industry. People focused on the $$ first. Dishonest people.
It feels so slimy when you suspect it in promotions.
Don’t focus on the money! As a client or a coach. It’s a bad place to start and sends you in all kinds of wrong directions.
Love your tips for people to protect themselves. Well said. Thanks for taking the time to write this.
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:24 AM
Thanks so much for the comment Valerie!
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kristen
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 2:48 PM
So I finally got to read this post and see what all the hub bub was about. Becca, I’m with you on this. Its funny because I have been noticing recently a lot of life coaches all the sudden becoming business coaches. I’ve been wondering why they are all jumping ship! and how they are all biz experts now? I’m a life coach and my business is growing, SLOWLY, and thats okay. I didnt get into coaching to make 6 figures, I wouldnt mind if it happened some day! but not if I have to lose my integrity to do it. Plus I want to do work that fills my soul not keep hustling just to feel unfullfilled. I mean I get folks need to make money and probably want to get out of their current soul sucking jobs sooner but there has to be a better way, a more authentic way?
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:25 AM
There absolutely is a better way to do business, and it sounds like you’re right on track! And not to mention, there are way better ways to make good money than coaching! If people just want to get rich, coaching isn’t the best industry! lol
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Tatiana Escalada
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 3:16 PM
Sad but soooooooo true. I don’t even understand how someone who’s never had a successful business prior to their “successful biz coaching” can dare call themselves a business coach, let alone coach or advise anyone. Having a corporate position, or even having an MBA it’s not the same thing as being in the trenches and having your own biz.
I few months ago one of these self proclaimed inexperienced biz coaches who “studied” with one this crazy priced, millionaire coaches came to me for branding and webdesign. It was really scary to see she had no clue what she was doing, where to start or what to do next nor what her biz priorities should be at the stage her biz was in at that time. I was in shock she would laugh about it. It got to such a point that I said to her I wasn’t able to work like this and that I thought she shouldn’t be coaching anyone. The scariest thing is that she’s now claiming to be so successful and she hosting all these free biz events in Miami and a decent amount of people are actually following her and going to her events!
OMG! It’s like the blind leading the blind! No wonder so many people are crashing!
Some people do like to believe in fairy tales and magic bullets and after 9 different businesses starting biz #10 all I can say there’s no such thing as a magic overnight success in an honest ethical biz!
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:27 AM
Amen!
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Tatiana Escalada
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 3:54 PM
This comment is not meant for me right?
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Loralee Hutton
OCTOBER 4, 2015 AT 8:10 PM
no.. should I delete it from here – and move to the top of the thread? Not sure how I goofed on that one – sorry. I thought I’d left it in the main bottom comment field…ooops!
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Ricardo McRae
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 4:05 PM
This is an outstanding read.
It’s very true and following your simple steps of google and wayback machine can identify most frauds. Thanks for this.
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Petra Monaco
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 4:34 PM
This is one of the best posts I’ve read in some time. I keep coming back here because “you tell it like it is”. For anyone that wants to make that kind of money, well more power to you, but I always feel a bit nauseous when I see those claims. Like really?
Here I am being a Boundary Strategist and frankly, I just want to live comfortably providing for my boys doing what I love, helping people. Money is awesome and certainly makes things easier in many areas, but I am here to be off service not to get rich. It’s one of the big reasons hiring a business coach because it just seems more important to them about how much they can make rather than being of real value and service.
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:29 AM
Thanks for the kind words Petra! And I have ZERO problem with wanting to make good money in business, but when coaches are selling false marketing tactics to get themselves there, and giving their clients ### advice and having them believe they too can just do a few simple steps to get there, it becomes a problem.
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Laura
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 4:49 PM
THANK YOU! I’m glad someone finally said pyramid scheme because that is all I think when I see these rags to six-figure riches stories. It’s sad that people feel the need to resort to fake stories of failure in order to lure people in. I’d rather they just said, “I’ve been doing it like this for years, and it works” as it’s far more reassuring.
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:30 AM
You are welcome, and thank YOU for reading!
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Lucy
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 4:50 PM
Just catching up on all the comments because this post has blown up my FB feed today. It feels so good to know I’m not the only one that has thought there was something too good to be true with this trend of ‘6 figures by lunch time or sooner’ messaging from coaches.
Thanks for always being real Becca and you gorgeous gang! At least we can be a contrast to the cookie cutter model that machine is spitting out.
Back to the hustle! xx
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:30 AM
Thanks Lucy! I am ALL FOR people making good money, but sustainable income takes time in business!
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Jamie
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 4:52 PM
Fabulous + honest advice in this post. I especially appreciate the recommendation to “ask to talk with their past clients in the same industry as you.” I hadn’t thought of that, but it definitely makes sense!
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Michele
OCTOBER 1, 2015 AT 8:27 PM
Yes! I encouraged my mom to invest with this business coach who has a good reputation with well-known people in the online space. But the coach ended up just giving her little bits of advice, like make sure her newsletter is reponsive etc, but didn’t really help her organize anything or further her business at all. It wasn’t a huge sum of money but I still feel bad about that.
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Rebecca Tracey
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:31 AM
Aw poor mom! Hopefully she’s found the help she needs now!
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Emily Williams
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 2:01 AM
Hi Morgan,
Just wanted to weigh in here! I was on Giina’s radio show during my period of 54 “no’s” in a row which is a time I’m really honest about. I have not and would not ever lie about income or make false claims. That wasn’t a fun time so I reached out and got the support I needed. That was the same time I was working with Rebecca Mathias and she helped me shift so much in my biz! Anyway! Just wanted to give you the whole scoop!
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Emily Williams
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 2:08 AM
Hi Morgan,
Just wanted to weigh in here! I was on Gina’s radio show during my period of 54 “no’s” in a row which is a time I’m really honest about. I have not and would not ever lie about income or make false claims. That wasn’t a fun time and I was struggling, so I reached out and got the support I needed. That was the same time I was working with Rebecca Mathias, and she helped me shift so much in my biz as well! Anyway! Just wanted to give you the whole scoop!
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Saira
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 9:51 AM
Oh my days! Finally, ladies who can see through all the smoke and mirrors! I too have spoken with “coaches” who were nowhere near being coaches at first and all of a sudden became expert coaches. I even coached (for free!) a woman who had no idea which direction she wanted to go in yet wanted to become a coach, knew she wanted to coach students or provide life coaching to employed staff members and then all of a sudden once day, out of the blue she had “found her niche” and hey presto…….it was exactly the group of people I was coaching and her tagline….was exactly mine just using a few different words! I was gob-smacked at the audacity but as a coach had to remain professional and not say anything to put her off her decision. Needless to say I didn’t hear from her much or at all after that!
Couple of years ago, another female coach promised to help uncover the “challenge area” in my business and give me 3 points to work on….oh she did that easily…it was exactly the challenge area I had identified and related to her and as for the 3 points to work on….exactly what I had said I wanted to get started on – so she told nothing I did not already know PLUS kept pushing me to part with over $400 for a deposit to her “fantastic” VIP group by using the old line guilt trip line “oh but wouldn’t you want to invest in your future and business success”… Why yes of course I would but not with someone I’m giving the answers to, I might as well pay myself for that…and I did! :D
I’ve come across those who are fabulously rich and make others rich too…always rings alarm bells for me and at the moment it seems everyone is on the coaching bandwagon making the same videos all from scenic locations about how to become rich. I remember when coaching was a serious profession not the new “flavour of the year”.
I don’t even participate much now in coaches groups. I might read a few articles here and there but 99.99% of groups and posts I’ve backed out of or ignore as it’s all gimicks and tricks by amateurs trying to make a quick buck when in reality no business is a quick buck unless you’ve been doing a bit of landscaping in the back garden and struck oil.
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Annasus
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 11:16 AM
Reading this post is so timely.
“…the only model they know is how to help people make money by helping people make money.”
I’ve been so peeved off by this lately.
All of these people were so successful at whatever they were doing that now they have time to suddenly start coaching. If you were so passionate and successful doing whatever then how would you have the time or energy to be a business coach AS WELL?
I was really beginning to feel like the only way to be successful online is to lie about being successful and then teach people how to become successful online.
OR, simply to become successful by selling a ‘how to be successful’ product.
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Deidra
OCTOBER 2, 2015 AT 6:31 PM
This is so on point.
Thank you for voicing so clearly what many of us are feeling.
Addressing these questions and concerns can certainly make clients feel more secure about commiting.
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Kiesha Frue
OCTOBER 4, 2015 AT 4:49 PM
People on reddit were discussing something similar to this. Recently, a guy made a post about how he’s making 100k after 9 months on his blog, with a “Here’s How I Did It!” post, but it was all pyramid scheme. Some people bought into it, others saw right through it. People love to make money off telling people how to make money.
On top of that, I’m a freelance writer and all I see are other freelance writers suddenly jumping into coaching. Every single day. But only a few seem even remotely qualified to do it. It drives me bonkers! Thank you for being straight-up about this!
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Loralee Hutton
OCTOBER 4, 2015 AT 7:52 PM
Having been an accountant (in my past life) I’ve seen behind the curtain of incredibly successful businesses that chose not to boast. And others that made me want to shout from the rooftop to warn people. But of course, I wasn’t able to…
A few of my “fave stories” (insert sarcasm) include the “best selling author” and “multi million dollar business coach” who consistently, year after year (may have been 5+ years) stuffed receipts into boxes & put off doing tax returns, because “I haven’t made a profit yet”. And, truthfully they hadn’t – but not exactly a good reason to not file tax returns. To the public, they were bringing in multiple millions & coaching others to do the same – but their marketing expenses, promo to sell their books (surprisingly low numbers to make it to #1 ) and live events cost way more than people expect…. And some people just aren’t good with managing money…
Or the “business coach” who had never heard of a Profit & Loss Report (Income Statement) or a Balance Sheet.
And a 6 figure business coach who’s been “coaching” people to earn 6k+ for almost a decade now – who has never made more than $15K in annual net income, before paying herself. Basically living below the poverty line.
Or, the life coach who decided she could coach entrepreneurs (only a few months into her career), who became livid when she realized she owed taxes at the end of her first year in business.
People who are new to business, or haven’t filed a tax return, or haven’t made a profit in their business shouldn’t be “allowed” to put “business coach” in their title – in my humble opinion.
The smoke and mirrors act turns my stomach. But I suppose this exists in all business models. There’s always a segment of any population that feels no shame in exaggerating their success.
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Margit Crane Luria (Gifted With ADD)
OCTOBER 6, 2015 AT 1:32 PM
Damn! I wish I were as popular as you are! I love my coach coz she’s not really coaching but, in my own words, telling me what to do. I appreciate that. I don’t want to have a discussion about what’s blocking me. Just f**king tell me what to do. I coach that way too (I’m an ADHD strategist and family coach). One of my friends spoke at a “get rich quick” coach’s event (his team just found her and she thought it would be a good partnership). He had all these rules for her about selling in the back of the room. I went with her (to help her sell in the back of the room, but I wasn’t allowed to help at all and she wasn’t allowed to take any money (so it all went through him and he wrote a check). He also had pricing expectations. The people attending were so sweet but they were like lemmings. He also played trance music the whole time and had them standing up and doing cheers. Very cult-like.
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Rebecca Tracey
DECEMBER 8, 2015 AT 10:58 AM
Bahahahah! Trance music and doing cheers!?
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michelle
NOVEMBER 19, 2015 AT 10:37 PM
Thank YOU tremendously for writing this post. It has helped me with trusting my gut and intuition before making a very big decision. It has truly placed clarity on what a legitimate and successful coach is and does for their clients and how to manage your own expectation when seeking one out. Busines coaches are also 1/3 of my clientele and in supporting many over these past 4 years…. I still find many of them puzzling and not clear on what benefits are they actually offering… Thank you for taking the time to write this and I can’t wait to share this post in my biz groups.
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Katie Manning
NOVEMBER 24, 2015 AT 1:43 AM
My word, I can’t thank you enough for this article. It confirms what I’ve been feeling for such a long time! #relief
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Nicole
JANUARY 31, 2016 AT 12:01 PM
I came across this post while conducting research on a coaching program. I found some not so favorable reviews of a certain 10K coaching program so I wanted to find out more information and read reviews from people who have actually taken it. I follow many coaches of FB who claim multiple six figures (and who have also taken the program that I was researching) but it’s hard to trust when they have 1K affiliate links.
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Valrita jones
MARCH 27, 2016 AT 3:53 PM
I came accross this post while doing some reasearch. I have a small bridal business which is struggling and there are so many business coaches on fb who claim they can help me turn my business round but at the same time the ask me to sign up for a course where they would teach me their key strategies and when I delve deeper into what they are doing it is clear that it is pyramid based selling, everyone is being told that the way to make money is to set yourself up as a coach and sign people up for a fee (your income).
If there is anyone out their who has done a course to improve their business I would love to hear from you particulary if your business was product based and you were able to measure your successes after doing the course.
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Anna
MARCH 30, 2016 AT 1:25 AM
It’s very much a weird pyramid scheme, and I’ve been so tired of the vapid Facebook posts of “Omg, look at my Christian Louboutin shoes! Look at my glass of champagne!” There’s nothing wrong with having these things, but when they’re all you talk about, it’s not about helping people at all. It’s all about the coach becoming rich at other people’s expense . I’ve spoken to lots of people who have been in these high end coaching packages and they’ve been very unhappy with the service they received but are afraid of speaking up because they don’t want to deal with a lawsuit. Very strange that “ethical” coaches would try to prevent criticism by threatening lawsuits if someone isn’t happy with the service they provide. Seems more like the silencing, intimidation tactic of a bully than the behavior of a genuine person who wants to help others. Kind of reminds me of a saying I heard; “When you tear out a man’s tongue, you’re not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
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Shae
APRIL 13, 2016 AT 3:26 PM
Such a great post! It’s always good to make sure we vet every single person. So does this person you did the wayback machine on, happen to have a name starting with J and loves pink and sprinkles?
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Kay
AUGUST 25, 2016 AT 10:08 AM
Add Simply Sarah King and Emily Williams to this list! Scammers! Beware!
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Tina Miller
OCTOBER 12, 2016 AT 12:33 AM
I was about 6 months post-partum and my husband was going through a stress induced mental breakdown. I unfortunately found myself in the hot seat of a coach named Tara. She pushed hard like a car salesman and weaseled me out of money we did not have in the hopes of finding my passion! I probably just needed some sleep. Our one day intensive began with reprimand IMG me for being a minute late in calling and ended with her showing me how to use the same tactics she used to get me to take the bait. Thankfully I picked up on the Ponzi vibe and didn’t sign up for her monthly program. She got very indignant when she couldn’t close the sale. I should have known better, you live and you learn.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/encompassingchaos.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/life-coaching/amp/
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rebecca
OCTOBER 12, 2016 AT 9:34 AM
Hi Tina,
I’m sorry you had that experience – that sounds horrible. I disagree however that life coaching is an MLM scheme. I know many talented and integral life coaches who have helped many people (including myself) that run legitimate coaching businesses. It’s unfortunate that there are coaches out there who are scamming people but I can assure you that not all coaches are frauds. Coaching is a fantastic skill and I’m grateful for the coaches out there and the work they do!
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Rana
NOVEMBER 14, 2016 AT 5:44 PM
wonderful article!
I have been following this business for a while now, browsing “coaches” and their programs to see if there was somebody to help me with my business journey. I found it hard to relate when you look past the lifestyle sales.
Their seems to be a trend going on on: your website must be super glamoureus, you MUST have pictures of you in Paris and you live the traveled, luxury lifestyle.
I had a bit enough of this crap.
When they do live videos they dont even have their hair done.
Now I am all for girl power/living your essence but not by being inauthentic.
And with some of these people it just stinks.
Also they all say the same things ( trained by the same queen B …G?, they all cross promote each others products, they dont close their offer ( hey weeks later ok gonna re-open the checkout just for you last days, for the 3rd time!)
Credibility diminishes quickly in my eyes…
It just makes me really scary to spend tens of thousand on such a person not knowing her credibility.
While their are coaches offering normal rates, what makes these “glam” coaches worth the price?
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Sabrina
NOVEMBER 24, 2016 AT 12:27 PM
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Lacey. Why would you want to study with a person who is a known liar? She never worked at the White House or Supreme Court. She was an INTERN. And guess what, it is so much easier to get these internships than one would imagine. The second article shows her money hungry ways. She is a CONFIRMED LIAR. Why would you want to learn from her? It seems like a large waste of money seeing that someone above posted doing a story about her. Do you want to be affiliated with that? She has been sued for fraud and uses scare tactics with her attorneys and the thugs she associates with behind the scenes. A disgusting con artist.
Scroll through this document or search it for the word INTERN and you will find it.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/gro/hgochung.000/hgochung_1.HTM
Gina Devee Reviews?: Hi there, I’m considering enrolling for Gina Devee’s Divine Living Academy coaching business course, c. 12, 500 USD. Having seen reports of fraud on the internet, I’m now a little concerned. Does anyone have direct experience of working with her or on this programme that they could share – positive or negative? I already have a coaching qualification but want to define my niche and strengthen my experience and brand, so want to make sure I would come out of this training with the building blocks of a solid business.
Thank you in advance!
I really hope you didn't...
WOW I am so happy to read all of this! I was starting to feel sad that I spent over a year in an ICF Accredited program working my buns off to become a really skilled coach and it seemed like no one even cared about the ICF designation. I have incredible clients, who get incredible results, and I stick pretty closely to the ICF method of coaching. If anyone wants information on a very serious reputable coaching school please do not hesitate to shoot me an email: tanya@wholehearted-lifecoach.com Check out Adler School of Psychology. That's where I did my certification and they teach you to coach at the PCC level by the end of their program. I did an "in person" certification but they also have the option for "online."
Thank you, no...1000 Thank yous to the host of this site and to each of you who have posted.
I gained some insights from her free offerings however... I became more and more uncomfortable as the videos progressed. My goal is to become a skilled coach who can guide and encourage people in their dreams, help them breakthrough their struggles. The videos became more and more focused on money and by video five or six, money alone. No discussion on how you were going to be equipped, grow and be challenged as a coach in training. How you were actually going to help people...just money money money.
I appreciate your honesty, thank you to each of you.
Now a question... WHO is a ICF accredited, fantastic, supportive, interactive coach who focuses on quality of care for your clients? Sales can be learned from a thousand sources, I want to learn how to be a exceptional coach.
Hi dear. I am a certified and accredited Coach and also offer Coaching Certification Programs. I conduct all my coaching online with one Mastermind weekend in Dubai, when graduation takes place.
Hi All, firstly Merry Christmas! Secondly, I paid the deposit for the Gina Devee Academy and now after reading all these comments am extremely concerned as to what I have just signed up for. Warning bells have been ringing before finding this forum as I've been emailing questions about that course and have been getting very little back, even an exact start date of the course! I don't suppose anyone knows if there is any chance of getting the deposit back!? Probably a stupid question!
Someone above had mentioned Evercoach, where Gina Devee is currently running her program through for $300 for 6 weeks. I asked how she could charge $12, 000 on her personal site, and turn around and charge $300 on Evercoach. I have not heard back yet, but be very careful!
I am SO grateful for all of your posts on here. I was about to buy into her program, but my Husband warned me to look closer into her programs, and reviews. Reading through all of your posts has helped me change my mind. The pricing alone is frightening! I've looked at many coaching programs, and she charges the most BY FAR! I recently had a call with one of her Customer Service women, Giovanna, and she was very rude and demeaning. That completely turned me off to this program. Thank you all again!
I used to work for Gina and had to quit because I couldnt stand of watching her scam people and, my god, what a nasty person she was. She "acts" all nice to peoples faces just to get their money. I would listen to her say the same thing over and over and over, just throwing the word "desire" and "manifest" in there, and people would spend so much money at her to listen to their question just get rephrased. She is by far the WORST and most rude, nasty and entitled person I have ever worked for. EVER! I wish people could see the true her!
What you should do with Gina deVee & her programs- -- do what is called "reverse funnel hacking" that is LEARN from and COPY her sales & marketing methods. Don't buy her stuff - it is a waste of money and you will not get a refund, she does not honor them. She has some excellent techniques - so learn from how she sells it to you. Oh, but make sure that you deliver a great product and service for your fees, unlike Gina deVee.
BUYER BEWARE - do not buy in to The Academy Coaching Program or any other program from this company.
It would appear that they are now using another name EverCoach, in addition to the other brands: Divine Living, Gina DeVee, Faithworks.
I too was a victim of the smoke and mirrors marketing machine that is Gina DeVee and her entourage. I agree with the comments above, and confirm what was said about the ICF accreditation promise being a myth designed to misrepresent the facts and encourage people to sign up to the program.
I know that there are a lot of us out there who want to speak up publicly about this company. I know too that there are a lot of us working to get refunds for the misrepresentation in respect of the academy.
There are a lot of great coaches out there who can help you build your business - GDV and her business are not one of them imho.
For the sake of brevity I will be blunt. She is a con artist along with all her staff who enable the con to continue on! She is a liar & a thief. Documented & verified!
She has lawyers scurrying about the internet looking for people posting the truth about this organization. The problem with this tactic is the truth is your defense, it stands on its own. Something they know nothing about. Also, we have this concept in the USA called the 1st Amendment. We do have freedom speech and a duty to warn potential consumers about fraud. They enjoy & threaten with this word "dispargement" well if there is such concern why not conduct an ethical business. Now there is a novel thought!
I like to read restaurant reviews before visiting the establishment. I to want know if people report a good experience, good food, good service etc. There are reviews consisting of the good, bad & ugly. Imagine if these restaurants thought they could prevent the consumer from reporting their experience! So, here we go, off on a review of her coaching program & ethics!
She could very well be one of the best cons at present time. She speaks of being an Intern at the White House & working for Marianne Williamson. Interesting how nobody has ever seen a picture of this and she loves her own photos. Why is that? A little research will provide a plethora of reasons why it is only verbal exultations. I know several people who have interned at the White House. It is regarded as an honor and privilege. They use these photos in their marketing, however they are honest & legitimate businesses.
Her business plan is if you don't give her $10-20-30, 000 plus you obviously have money block issues or mom/dad issues. The solution to this dilemma: you are directed to cash out your 401k plan or even take out a 2nd mortgage on your home. Next step, give her this money so she can help fix your issues. She is not about empowering women but all about empowering & increasing her bank account only.
This is not to say that perhaps she was legitimate at some point. I hope she was, however she has become completed corrupted by GREED.
She has defrauded over 400 women worldwide who find it difficult to get restitution or they are fearful of repercussions from the organization. She has a habit of changing her agreement mid steam. Her program was advertised as in the process of being ICF accredited. Problem: She never applied! Documented! However, her story is she decided to FORGO ICF, as it was not in alignment with her coaching style! I bet it wasn't and the ICF will never have her scam as a certified course.
She operates in a thug like manner of threats & intimidation. Along with dispatching her "muscle" to physically intimidate women who express their less than satisfactory experience with her so called coaching. That is her brand of women empowerment!
Yes, she is good! But so was Bernie Madoff. Look where he resides now.
Any honest & reputable business person will not want to be associated with this person. It will fall just like every other con man (women) in history. A matter of time.
My absolute favorite part about this con is how she invokes her "Spirituality" The word CHARLATAN comes to mind. I do hope she keeps a sharp eye above her head, as lightening bolts may be on the way. She is just a simple girl from Detroit with dreams, she has crafted an incredible STORY. It will be interesting to watch the implosion on its way. She is no Esther.
I lived with Gina Ratliffe in the 90's when she attended and failed out of law school. Because she was in law school, she felt like she had the legal right to try and sue me and recoup back rent. Her evil ways and major manipulation did not hold up and she was sent packing without being awarded any money. I wish I could say I cannot believe any of these complaints, but take it from me, we lived together and she is a FRAUD.
I just want to thank everyone for all the comments shared above, because of these comments I am not a victim. She seems very pleasant, trustful and making since. One thing got me thinking, if she charges $10, 000 or more per client than why is she willing to charge for a $695. I am so glad that you each took the time to provide feedback for others trying to decide if these offers really had substance. I am more than grateful I saw these comments -
SO glad people are speaking up about Gina DeVee and her husband Glenn Sisk. I agree with everything said above. In addition to that they apply threats and intimidation tactics trying silence anyone who might come out publicly about them or anyone they even only suspect might speak up. My experience was that I wrote in the feedback field on The Academy modules that I felt the quality of the teachings was rather poor.
One time their program director Rebecca Matias called me and promised that future Modules would get better and fulfill more of the coaching that the program promised. But did not happen. In fact things only got worse from there. IN her 'coaching' calls Gina then dismissed and disparages those who dare to speak up as 'complainers' who are only mirroring their OWN self back and their own shadow.
In this way, Gina puts herself above any critic because you can never point out the problems with them without being blamed yourself. On top of that, when you don't by into this type of low-level trickster switcheroo and still speak up about the truth they then start applying bullying and silencing tactics.
Most of the time those who praise GinaDeVee and The Academy had already been established coaches and now use their 'testimonials' as cross-promotiong their services.
There are some excellent, honest coaches out there. Gina DeVee is not one of them -that is my opinion and experience.
I followed and listened to Gina and her radio show for several months, following any of her advice, and saving up the money to pay for the Academy Online. I feel that I paid $5, 000 for what I could find in a few books. The Academy Online is completely self guided you receive no direction or feedback. There is absolutely no contact with Gina, only two of her employees. When I asked about receiving any guidance or coaching I was told I could pay $500.00 an hour for one of her associates to coach me. I have followed her techniques perfectly and have yet to make a dollar from my coaching business. The one 1 hour group call a month is usually monopolized by someone, this package was not promoted this way at all. I have then paid a several hundred more on Sales Superstar and her most recent package about her secrets to a 7 figure launch. I am grateful for the experience as it has taught me to ask a lot of questions before purchasing anything, especially working with a "coach." The Academy Online, Sales Superstar, and Secrets to a 7 Figure Launch are not worth the monetary cost. I truly feel Gina Devee is in it only for the money and not to add value to any of her clients lives.
I, too, invested in Gina Devee/Faithworks program The Academy with both my money and trust. I was threatened by a rageful phonecall by Gina herself for asking a simple policy question as I observed she was misrepresenting her services. I experienced misrepresentation, intimidation and an unwillingness to even respond to my request for refund. I am sincerely dismayed and disheartened by the treatment I have received along with being banned from a program I paid in full for.
oVERCHARGED NUMEROUS CHARGES TO MY ACCOUNT AFTER CANCELLATION
Yes I will come forward. Email me your complaint and I will press forward, cchiaramonte@hotmail.com
http://www.la.bbb.org/business-reviews/Training-Seminars/Faith-Works-Coaching-and-Simanars-LLC-in-SANTA-MONICA-CA-100061420
I know someone who spent over $150k with her and now she is trying to put these "packages" together. glad you are doing your part
Gina Ratliffe DeVee Is A FRAUD. She is unethical and irresponsible. How dare she not honor refunds when she clearly does not deliver what she promises. Take note: the refund is no longer even offered ... so you buy, you lose. Caveat emptor (let the buyer beware when dealing with this self-proclaimed "guru/diva"). There are good resources and courses offered by unconventional experts... but Gina is NOT one of them.
Wow. I am sooooooo glad that you (each/all) took the time to provide feedback for others trying to decide if these offers really had substance. I am more than grateful I saw these comments -- which provided some balance to the views presented in the testimonials. I think I'll keep looking ... Success to each of you!
Do not trust this woman, or her sleazy husband! They will say anything to get you to sign up for her programs. BEWARE of GINA DEVEE!
Thank you for the information. I too have had a very unprofessional experience with Gina. She misrepresents her services and then takes your credit card and begins charging other unauthorized services. I have been trying to get a refund for unauthorized charges on my credit card since March of 09 with no success but a lot of follow up and frustration. I tried to stay positive with this situation but I am a accomplished business woman and really have a difficult time when someone is misrepresenting themselves with such questionable ethical business practices. I would be very skeptical of all her offerings as I think this business is not what she projects it to be. I thank you for your information and would strongly suggest others to share their experiences as I would not want anyone else to be subject to being financially taken advantage of and ultimately wasting a lot of unessary time. Thank you.