Bionic Band review: Bionic bullcrap 266

Fangio
read testimonies overwellming . Your calling people scammers and fruads proves your bias. Read read read. Users claim pain relief. No body needs to regulate this product. If it quits working no one will buy. harmless product that a lot of used dont care about your take. Results will rule. Whine if you want, call it untested write your [censor] off. I dont care. I and many other are going to where our bionicBands and you can suck a rope.

Canoe

Biased? I looked athe evidence, in what way am I biased if I have loked at the evidence to make my decision? None. I have no vested interest.

No Nonsense71

The key word is IF it can relieve all or some fo the pain you are experienceing.

If it does absolutely nothing and is just a placebo then it is a caon. teh sciecne behind it shows absolutley nothing that would relieve pain in any way. So the IF becomes it can't. I am glad placebo had such a positive effect for you, but con men sellign you a aplacebo is wrong.

You say you understand the principles because of physics, garbage, there is no principle that says that "aligning" your protons will have nay positive effect, and the bit that says the protons will be aligned is a complete distortion of Einsteins work. So clearly you do not understnad the principle.

Until this product obtains FDA clearance don't give your money to conmen. If it really does do pain relief then they shoudl have no problem meetign the legal requirements to sell it for such. However, in the meantime the company and distributors will continue to post up "it stopped my pain" claims as you will always get with MLM models. Get the FDA clearance or get out of the market.

My wife and I went to Dover for the Monster Mile NASCAR race in Sept. I am 39 yrs old and my wife is 37. I am always of the belief that if it is to good to be true then it usually is. My history prooves this, I left my home when I was 15 and grew up real fast! So I have seen my fair share of bullsh**! Now that you know what kind of guy I am I will tell you the no bullsh** story of this band. The guys demonstrating this band did a great job of showing what it could do. I did all the tests as well as my wife. Incredible! This must be bullsh**! Then he was about to do another demo on me without the band so I stopped him. I said let's do this one with the band this time first, thinking that my body was ready for the second time around trick, balanced and perpared. Not the case! I was strong at the start and weak after the first try without the band. I tried holding the band in different hands, wearing it vs holding it and all to the same result I was noticably stronger with it vs without it! Same as my wife. I took alot of this guys time so if you were to add up the cost of the band vs the time he spent with me (it was a good hour) then this probably was one of his toughest sales that day. He did not get mad though, he truely believed in the bands capabilities! That's why he had no problem spending the time with me. He also said if I did not like it to send it back to him, gave me his card, and he would refund all of my money! Now, I am a high pressure pipe welder and I work on concreat floors all day long. My feet and knees were killing me for about a year before we went to the NASCAR race. I went and got $500 orthotics for my boots to help me with my foot and knee pain and it was $500 dollars down the drain. No help the pain got worse. It was so bad at the end I could not stand for the full day at work I had to sit to relieve the pain. I bought one of these bands at the race because I thought that if it did by some chance work it would be well worth the $90. I bought the nice looking steel one that was a little more than the bracelet. It is December 26th today and let me tell you that I will not take this band off. My foot and knee pain is GONE! I sleep at nights like a baby and someone mentioned they dream more that is because you achieve a deeper sleep and I also dream more than I ever did. Now it doesn't take away everthing, I still get the odd ach or pain, but it doesn't last long at all where before it would last for days and my major pain is gone. I am not a distributor and don't plan on becomming one, I make lots of money as a union high pressure pipe welder and plan to keep on doing this. So as a non believer take it from me, the hocus pocus mind freak bullsh** WORKS. If you have any kind of achs and pains it does help tremendously, I sleep like a baby and I'm more rested than ever, my knee and foot pain is gone and it has been 3 months. I don't know the science although I was very good at physics in school so I understand the principles of the technology, regardless I don't care, for me it is about the benefits this band has given me. Pain relief! And if it is mind over matter who cares it still works! Explain this! My father was in a severe motorcycle accident when he was younger and I gave him one of these for Christmas. His one leg is shorter than the other by almost 2 inces because his ankle was destroyed and the bone is fused to the foot. He tried the Q-RAY but did not work it actually burnt his wrist where the magnets are. He has lots of pain day to day and I will write back with his update. Sorry for the long winded story but I thought as a sceptic I would tell my story endorsing this product. Thanks Bionic Band and if you have any cronic pain is it not worth a shot for reliefe of the pain! The cost is peanuts if it can relieve all or some of the pain you are experiencing!

You are still biased

You are an idiot. I want tests to prove what is obvious from the science quoted, that the ony effects are placebo.

Testimony is garbage, when the placebo effect will bring about the beleif that he product works when it actually does nothing. As you seemingly deny that he pacebo effect exists, or that it could eb responsible for the supposed efects fo the band I doubt you have the brain to investigate anything.

Simply put the sciecne quoted form Einstein applies only to metal witha frequency coming inot direct ocntact with LIQUID. It does nto work for non-liquids, no matter what the company pretend it says. Why don't you try loking it up and seeing that it does not work for non-liquids. What is your counter to that point?

Pedersens psuedoscientific explanation siad that imbalance was caused by the protons pulling in different directions. Suposedly the force of this pulsl us off balance, but if they are all aligned as per his explanation they woudl all pull in the same direction at the same time, which woudl be a greater pull than each one counterbalancing the others pulls. now either the pull has no effect, or all of the protons pulling in the same direction athe same time would cause greater imbalance. What is your counter to that?

The explanation provided by the company says that it creates better cellular communication, so how come it communicates pain worse?

The expolanation offers nothign that would reduce pain, not one thing. So why do you claim it does? What "sciecne" is being offered for this claim that cannot easily be attirbuted to placebo effect?

If someone can provide independent double blind tetsing, the sort that the company run away from, preferring instead to provide non double blind studies, great.

You say my sciecne isn't sciecne, well I have looked a tteh Einstein thoeries and none of it applies to this procduct. I have looked at teh tests, and the sciecne behind them is nothign to do with the band having any efect on balance or strength. so what science am I supposed to be looking at for this band, the manufacturers provide absolutley nothing else to go on. Their product cannot work as they describe. Pure and simpel it is impossible.

Now you can go on screaming "it works" and providing nothing at all to show that the band itself does naythgin, but you provide no sciecne at all and insult me and my mother instead. You are unable to examine anyghtin sciecntifically at all, and have no will to. You don't wnat to see that you have bought intot he emperors new clothes, but the tests that they use are over 100 year old parlour tricks and you have been conned. The peopel selling it using the balance tets as evidence are conning people, and are [censor], the tests do not even need a physicla placebo, the same tests were done holding up coloured cards in the 70's. People had better balance when showed a blue card than a pink one. Did that realign their protons? Of course not. So the tests are garbage and anyoen using them to make money are scamming people and are [censor].

Fangio
Thought out logical? You want testing, you have already drawn your conclusions and judged them as scammers fakes and [censor]. Then you pretend to be logical. I cant stop laughing, Did it every occur to you that there might be something to the BionicBand beyond placebo effect (placebo effect explains nothing). FDA track record speaks for its self (wouldnt that be joke)A pre-requisite to an intelligent exploration is an open mind. I would be fruitless to present you with various test when you have already drawn your conclusions. For this product testimonies is all the prof that should be required. Quantum Theroy is still being understood. Why not take advantage of an advanced technology before it gets exonerated by "science wannabe skeptics". Use it it works.
This product would better suited to to compared to prayer. Its everyone's right to pray. Everyone's right to pursue happiness. I dont need anyone to apply some science (your science isnt science)to anything. It works and I bought one and it works for me and it may work for you if you would try it. Alas it probably wouldnt help what ails you. A swift kick might do better .

Canoe

Yawn, yet another post with not a single counter argument to the evidenced thought out and logical posts I made. Well done, especially on trying to insult my mother. You provide no basis for any of your arguments, yet call me unintelligent. You may want people who offer reasoned argument, actual analysis of the science, historical background of the so called proofs, critical discussion of the processes etc banned because you cannot provide any sort of counter to this, but please don't pretend that it makes the person makign these comment unintelligent if they don't just believe the bull that you have clearly bought into.

Happy Christmas one and all.

Fanigo
Your obvious bias and conclusions are disgusting. It would not matter who did what, You have lost all credibility in this forum and and the only conclusion and rational reader could come to is that you are a fake. I recommend the Discussion Police ban you from making any more comments on the grounds your comments are too unintelligent to be human. Don't bother commenting for my benefit I will not be reading any more posts. What size of Army boots does your mother wear?

mobilesounder

Yes they have created a solution to reduce EMF readings (or so they say, I have yet to see any independnet research showing that the band acheves this. However, they have shown nothing about how this woudl effect balance or strength, or pain relief. So yes they shodul market it as being able to reduce EMF, but saying it does anything else woudl be unproven hogwash. The physical tests are still the same old parlout tricks, as can be seen by them workign with so many other products which DONT do what ipower claim to do. Linking the two is scammoing in it's purest form.

For all those that think Quantum Energy Medicine or negative charged ion bands don't work, do your home work. Inner Health Concepts has done just that. IHC has developed the next generation of ion therapy bands. Marketed under the name iPower Health Bands.This company will do a ion test with a ion meter and a EMF meter to prove the band works. I have seen it for myself. The physical test are one thing but when you add scientific technology that is a totally different game. The ipower Health band averaged over 1800 ions per cubic cm. They did a electromagnetic frequency (EMF) test with a cell phone and the reader was off the chart. When they placed the band on top of the phone the reading was reduced dramatically. My final conclusion is that some bands work better than others. Find out which company is in business to help people and improve lives. Knowledge is power. empower yourself.

Nope, the FDA exist to license products, partly so that peopel don't get ripped off by being sold placebo's. If someone thinks the placebo is working and so does nto take their real drugs that harms them.

You do nto have the right to sell a placebo or make medical claims about one, the FDA have arole in ensuring you do not do that. You say "no one is frauding anyone", what? Bionic Band is supposed to align your protons, if it doesn't that is fraud. Aligning your protons is claimed to give health benefits, if it doesn't that is fraud. Do you understand what fraud is? Offering a money back guarantee does not make the claim any les fraudulent, they rely on people feelign a placebo effect notto return it. They therefore make money by providing aproduc thtat does not do what it says. You do understnad that surely?

As for Ms Benson, well she obviously thinks this is in need of regulation, but her department is not enforcement.

Simple fact is that teh sciecne doesn't work, and if you think you are benfiting it is a placebo effect. Simple fact is that peopel who chose to rely ont eh placebo effect of thsi after being told it has the ability to help them, and do not take their properly regulated and tested drugs will be harmed. You thintk he spirit of the law shoudl eb anyone can sell whatever they like as long as people are prepared to buy it, and can say whatever they like to make their money out of the gullible. I don't think that is the spirit of any law that I woudl like to see in this country.

Take it easy. I tried the product and I feel it worked for me. I should have the right to pursue happiness. I can tell others. I feel I have that right. FDA is meant to test drugs and other devices so they don't harm others. They wont give this product the time of day and if they did it would be a waste of tax payers money. I f I want to buy the product and even sell it that should be my right. No one is fruading anyone. they can always get their money back. As for the goofy tests they do, I thinks there may be some gimmick to it but I am not sure. I bought because of the money back offer and kept mine and wear it all the time. I confess I don't sell them, I was jerking your chain a little, sorry about that. If the FDA has a law that I am breaking well they can come and try to get it off my wrist.
THE LETTER OF THE LAW KILLTH BUT THE SPIRIT GIVETH LIFE. Thats the law I will adhere to sorry. As for Bensens I am sure she got you side real well. Just ask her for me if this is worthy of carring to the next step.

Canoe

What? enforcing the law woudl infringe upon your rights and freedoms? Garbage. you are breakign the law, there isn't a right or freedom that menas you are allowed to do that in this case.

Let it go. Ms Bensons has her opinion also. but will she pursue charges, that would infringe on other rights and freedoms. I think not. Let it go.

Nothing but conjecture from you I am afraid, I provided reasoned arguemnts, you ignore them and provide just your opinion, and a request for people to pay you based upon your opinion.

It's not just my opinion that the product needs FDA approval, it is also Ms Bensons, and she specifically works for the FDAin this area. So I guess she woudl be right (and backs my opinion). You see I bother to reasearch to form my opinions, not just research whether I can make some money out of people.

Your breaking up again [censored]o opinion, conjecture,

Yep, I was right, no reasoned argumetn offered, just an invitation to buy it. No reasoned arguemtn whyCynthia Benson ethe Small Manufacturer Advisro fo teh FDA is wrong to say the rpoduct falls udner the regulations. Nothign. Just keep paying over your money to someone who has not even teh decency to look at the sciecne to see tht it doesn't work, but just wants you to pay them your cash.

OK I have had enough fun with this. I have to attend to sales at this point. FDA. has numbers listed I would be willing to bet they are not interested in BionicBand . I dont even think the fuaud squad would give this the time of day. I know you (Fanigo) would love to prove something but realistically these is all opinion, speculation, and conjuncture. that's where this issue will remain. I truly believe this product works beyond any placebo effect but of course Fanigo believes other wise. This is the real world and we are human being with rights to make up our own minds. Simple as this If you dont want to try this product just dont its your right. Fanigo you are within your rights to express an opinon in this forum. Go for it.
Thanks for reading Merry Christmas

No, you could nto have a hay day with me, the defence of fair comment exists, which given that the sciecne quoted by the website being baloney, would be fine.

As for it being my opinion that the band falls under the FDA regulations, actually not just mine, also that of Cynthia Benson of the FDA, who said in e-mail to me

" Your interest in contacting the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) through your recent email is appreciated.

After looking at the website whose link you provided and seeing the claims of pain relief and more, it appears that the Bionic Band would qualify as a medical device under the regulatory authority of the FDA. You can read more about this authority at the FDA medical device website of http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyYourDevice/ucm051512.htm .
If you wish to pursue this matter with the FDA, may I ask that you forward this information to the Office of Regulatory Affairs here? That office entertains many concerns about internet sales of medical products and can be contacted at webcomplaints@ora.fda.gov.

Thank you for your conscientious effort in this matter."

So expert opinion from one fo the regulators is clearly on my side. I have given reasons why I think the law applies, you have just said you don't hink it does. So logic is on my side. it appears that greed is on your side in denying that the law applies as you have given not a single reason. The law I am saying you are breaking is not teh fraud law, it is the law regarding obtaining a license form the FDA. I do not have to prove one way or the other that the badn does nto work for you to be breakign that law, which you clearly are.

As for it not working, I have given reasoned argument as to why the science quoted is complete baloney, all you have come back with is "it works try it". If you think I am low IQ, or a chimp, the fact that I am providing reasoned arguemnts, yet you provide nothign in return would appear to indiciate that you must certainly be lower on the IQ scale than I. the fac tthat I have actually looked at the science quoted and established that it is baloney, rather than takign it as read that it must be true seems to place you lower ont eh IQ scale than me. the fact that I have been able to locate and understadn the regualtions regardin gthe sales of medical devices, and establish correctly (as confirmed by an officer ofhte FDA) that this product falls under the regulations, rahter than just deciding to sell something which needs a license without obtaining one, woudl indicate that you are lower on the IQ scale than me.

So what reasoned argument are you going to offer? I guess none, you are too busy selling the product illegally and making money from desperate people who cannto recognise the balance tests etc for what they are, parlour tricks that are over a century old that have been used to "prove" products work time and again, when there has been nothing but placebo.

I don't believe that law applies. You say it does. In your opinion I am [censor]. I could have a hay day with you in court my bia assed friend sorry about the typing. ( I see your are making a better effort at typing). Your total case is based on your opinion that the BIONICBAND doesnt work and but more than that you would have to prove intent to make a case of fraud. Shame on you for name calling very un-professional in my opinion. How old are you ? When did your brain stop working . In my opinion I am dealing with a Chimp or the lower end of the IQ homo sapion

Regulations are here

http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/Overview/ClassifyYourDevice/ucm051512.htm

The Bionic Band claims to align the protons, and therfore alters teh strucutre of the body, via a non-chemcicla method, therefore the band falls under the medical device regualtiosn which state

If a product is labeled, promoted or used in a manner that meets the following definition in section 201(h) of the Federal Food Drug & Cosmetic (FD&C) Act it will be regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as a medical device and is subject to premarketing and postmarketing regulatory controls. A device is:

"an instrument, apparatus, implement, machine, contrivance, implant, in vitro reagent, or other similar or related article, including a component part, or accessory which is:

- recognized in the official National Formulary, or the United States Pharmacopoeia, or any supplement to them,
- intended for use in the diagnosis of disease or other conditions, or in the cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease, in man or other animals, or
- intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals, and which does not achieve any of it's primary intended purposes through chemical action within or on the body of man or other animals and which is not dependent upon being metabolized for the achievement of any of its primary intended purposes."

Not opinion, as I say, it's law, a law you are breaking for personal gain. You are [censor].

No, I have seen that you are making money from a product which cannot legally be sold without an FDA license.

You are deliberately breaking the law, to make money, tht is what makes you [censor].

I have informed you that the product needs an FDA license, to be sold, and quoted the relevant section of the law on medical devices under which the product is required to have the license. Yet still you pretend that it's ok for you to make money from an unlicensed product. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of law, and what makes this country a free country is having laws that protect people, you are prepared to break them for personal gain, that's what makes you [censor]. There is no onus on me to do anything, you obviously have no grasp of either criminal or civil law.

You say what's the worst case wel the worst case is what we have, an untested product, who's scientific explanation does nto work at all, and whcih if it did work as stated woudl actually mean that all of he protons were pulling int he same direction ath eh same time leading to a reduction in balance, and bizarrely a claim of greater cellular communication, except for the communication of pain. The science doesn't work.

As you are prepared to submit for any tests I call your bluff (and it is so clealy a bluff) to submit your product for the required testing with the FDA.

Faniago
How scientific is calling me [censor]. I think you wouldn't accept scientific results. You have judged me without a trial. that makes you as bad. I am willing to submit to any test or go where ever this is a free country and just because you don't like it you only have your biased opinion on this until then I am innocent . The onus is on you buddy. Does any body out there want to try a product that has many like myself noticed PAIN relief without drugs. You have nothing to lose money back if not satisfied. BionicBand
PS. It definitely wont work if you don't try it. Completely Legal. (As far as I can tell) [censored]o says I am breaking the law..LOL

Canoe

So what you are saying is you will only stop if you are caught by the authorities. That sucks.

You thinkn people being ripped off is too trivial, whislt you make money from it. you are [censor]

Fanigo
report me put up or shut up. What about the FDA record.? Thalidomide, Ritalin, etc, If bionicBand is a rip off which it is not, whats the worst case scenario. Let it go my freind it is too trivial for anyone to care. 98% critics havent tried it, Let it go ! you will hardly get a blimp on the consumer complaint index.

2 Canoe

I can't type, I don't care.

Just because the FDA have not prosecuted you it doesn't mena that youa re not breaking the law. I suggest you are prefectly aware that you are and unlike my typing you should care. Mind you if you want to divert on to my typing it shows a lack of any credible argument on the points I am making. (no surprise there).

They exist partly to stop con ment ripping people off. They have a clear set of rules for licensing products. Bionic Band breaks these rules, and the only reason to break them is if the product does not do what it says it does. I tell you what, why not just submit the product to the FDA for testing. Go on, surely you wouldn't have a problem with that, after all you say it works. Surely you could just ask New World and they will say yes, as they say it works. Go on ask them if they would mind if you submit it for the FDA license so that you are not breaking the law.

Fangio
I wonder if the boinicBand could help your typing. It looks like something is breaking up in your life. Why dont you report me to the FDA I am sure they have the time to deal with this, along with other mistakes they have made though out the years, approving drugs that latter on have had disastrous results.

2 Canoe

Why not? Well if youa re sellign it for pain relief, becuaise it''s illegal to do so without FDA approval. What is ti you don't understnad about that?

Why is that? Well the FDA will make sure that things are safe, manufactured to an acceptable standard, and actually do what they say they will.

So the only reason to avoid FDA approval would be that you are in some way scamming people, offering an unsafe product, a poorly made product or a product that does nto do what it says.

You have no evidecne tha teh band itself does naything, so it is idiotic to say that you have never found anythign as good as this. sure the sales patter may be better, the advertsigin may be better, the link of the product to expectationand thereby it's abiltiy to act as a placebo ay be better, but there is no evidence it actually does anything.

Fangio
I am a distributor now why not spread the love and make a little cash. I never found anything that as good as this. making a little cash is a unintended benefit, Hope this doesn't bug you to badly but if it does that's another unintended benefit.

Product which teh manufacturers have not submited for FDA testing and which therefore they are not able to say does naythign for apin relief, and for which their method has nothign whatsoever to do with relieving pain, and it wokrs for apin relief. I am prepared to bet you are a distributor. It isn't even menat to work for pain relief.

It'a a placebo they are scam artisits, and you are buying hope and ntohgin mroe. To sell it for pain relief is a federal crime.

I lent my band to a freinds wife. She had it for about 2 weeks, my back pain came back after a couple days. my friends wife want the band because it gave positive results I got a new one. Back pain gone after about 1 day. I wont let it go again. Her mother bought one from me. Great product. thanks Bionic Band

Think what you want the Bionic Band works!

www.BionicMan.ca

It is a total scam. I have a distributor friend and he sells these things, when he does all those tests on his clients he pushes the arms downward when they are wearing the band and then pushes them at an angle when they are not wearing the band causing the imbalance. Also, i embarrassed the distributor at the mall as i wore a band on one of the arms with a full sleeve shirt and pretended like i was a gullible idiot and asked him to do his magical tests on me, he did all those balance/imbalance tests and at the end i rolled up my other sleeve and showed him that i was wearing a band already at all times, please explain the imbalance situations, he was quiet and everybody who was watching left after laughing at him. These people defending the band are all distributors trying to rip off people, you should rather spend that money on a good meal than this worthless piece of crap.

I bought one and it works for me. I have Spastic Diplegia, a form of Cerebral Palsy. I have a moderate gait disturbance along with weak legs and severe back pain. I have had surgeries, cortisone injections..you name it. none of it worked. I can't hardly walk without holding on to a wall, or rail...etc. I bought a band after the demo. Now I can walk backwards, turn circles, ride an escalator or an elevator without hanging on. I still have the gait problem cosmetically, and always will but now I can move around better and my back has stopped hurting almost completely in a matter of days! I am a skeptic by nature, but this thing actually improved my balance and strength tremendously, and I don't care whether it's mind over matter or not! I bought one of the hundred dollar metal ones, and it sure beats the 300 I spend quarterly on cortisone! The lady I bought mine from gave me copies of published medical research, and on top of that, my wife is a Doctor herself, and she is even amazed at the improvements in ambulatory function and balance that I am experiencing! knowing what I know now, and experiencing the effects firsthand, I would have paid any price for it. there are always skeptics when any miracle comes along, and believe me, I've been on the other side! This thing is a blessing to all of us that have searched high and low for answers and remedies, and spent thousands along the way! So in closing, I say Thank God for the Bionic Band! It helped me, and if you don't have one, get one! it's worth every penny! Spring for the expensive one if you can so you get the lifetime warranty and a longer lasting bracelet! I am in no way affiliated with, nor do I sell these things. I'm just a lucky guy that stumbled(literally!)across the one thing that changed my life forever! Good luck to all of you who are in the same boat I was! I hope you find comfort in some fashion, be it a Bionic Band or not!

Garbage again.

I am not ignorant, the metal has to be uncovered to work. itis therefore visible. Both you and the test subject can tell teh difference before doing the tests. You claiming that you and the subject did not see it does not make your tests double blind. It is your ignoracne of proper testing procedures that is on display here (did you even have a third person involved who noted whether you were using the placebo or the genuine band and only revealed the results after you had submitted your results? Don't bother to answer that, as I don't trust your answers given your complete disregard for the whole process of double blinding). Where there is a identifiable physical difference which the tester woudl recognise the tests cannot be double blind. You are not serious about testing this product and never will be.

With regard to the people saying it works, no that is not all you need idiot. That could be (and is in this case) the placebo effect working not the band working. You are selling them the emperors new clothes and they are thanking you for them, it has absolutely no bearing on whether the band does a damn thing.

If it's placebo you are breaking the law, and ripping people off.

If you really are finished pedalling your scam on here great, glad to see the back of you, will be even more glad if the FDA get any complaints and force you and your kind to stop ripping people off by selling placebo's and pretending that they actually cause any sort of physical change.

I'm done with you, you have proven your ignorance by your comments!

You say, "which tere is if the metal peice which is visible is missing"
"That you try to pretend that it doesn't matter if merely by looking at the place where the metal should be visible you can tell the difference"

Do you know where the metal piece is? You can't see it or feel it when it is being put on! not hard to do double blind.

You say, "There is nothing, except people telling you it works, that is the realm of the flat earth beleivers, not an evidence based position that you pretend you are taking"

Isn't it the people here that matter, not me saying it works, it is the people. That is all I needed to hear. You just verified my results. Thank-you

Bionic Band works, the people have spoken. www.BionicMan.ca

I am not an idiot, I know that if there is a visible difference between the two bands which woudl allow the tester to identify the band as being the "real" one and teh "placebo" one (which tere is if the metal peice which is visible is missing) then the test is clearly not doubel blind. That you try to pretend that it doesn't matter if merely by looking at the place where the metal should be visible you can tell the difference, then you celarly are not being honest about doubel blind testing.

You say of course you couldn't tell which one was which, you are lying. Clearly you can if the metal is missing. What is it you don't understand about that. I could tell the difference so why woudln't you be able to?

No the pain relief claims are on your website.

I do not think the world is falt, I also don't think it is round, it is approximately spherical. It is people like you who believe tha the world is flat, because peopel tell you it is. Instead, I look at the evidence, and facts, no facts support the claims made for how the band "works" no evidecne suggests it is anything other than placebo.

So go on, show me the evidence that the science is valid.

Or show me the tests which show, double blind and using repeatable measurable tests, that the band works.

There is nothing, except people telling you it works, that is the realm of the flat earth beleivers, not an evidence based position that you pretend you are taking.

Fangio,
Do you think you are the only one that knows how to conduct a double blind test? Of course neither one of us knew which one was which. Why are you so arrogant? You are sounding dumber after every comment. Do you work for a drug company? I question your motives.
And for the record, it is not me making the claims that it has taken away pain. It is the people that you call irrational that bought a product that worked for them. You are turning into such an idiot. It is people like you that still think the world is flat.

SDAnderson

You can't do double blind testing with nonidentical products if either the tester or test subject know what the difference is. Given that the metal must be in contact with the skin (according to Bionic Bands) it must be uncovered. As such there is a visible difference between the one with teh metal and without it. So you have not done double blind testing and I doubt you have any real clue what you are doing when doing any tests.

As for your assertion that it is only my opinion that it does not work. It is a fact hat the sciecne quoted does nto work. It is my opinion that it would be a miracle if it worked despit the method it si supposed to be using not working.

It is only your opinion that the band works. You certianly have absolutley no science to back it up.

PS I have checked witht eh FDA and have received confirmation that he Bionic Band is a "Medical Device" and therefore does need an FDA license to be sold for any form of medical benefit. You are breaking Federal Law sellign it for pain relief. why not submit it for testing, that way we both will know that the tests were done by someone who actually understadns how to conduct doubel blind testing and is independent. Alternaticvely you coudl just continue to break the law and pretend that you have done tests which have any meaning to them.

Just because rational peopel can see that it is a con and not buy it int he first place does nto mean we shoudl leave deciding whether it works to the irrational peopel who bought it. Are the only people fit to judge whether cyanide is deadly those who have been killed by it? Or can peopel set up test which are scientifically valid to measure this?

I have another observation from the nay sayers on a couple of these types of forum websites. None of them have ever bought a Bionic Band and actually tried it, it is always their OPINION that it doesn't or can't work. I have yet to find a dissatisfied customer of Perfect World's Bionic Band. How is that possible, with tens of thousands of bands sold and it is only non-buyers doing the complaining. AMAZING.