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Wealth Rock Financial Systems. Stocks, Real Estate, Legal, Tax Liens, Ryan Smith, Jamie Smith, Mark Walters, Phil Town, Aaron Osmond Selling Dreams for 99 dollars / or Retail $65, 895 dollars. But if you call before Midnight it is only $26, 995. deal. Saved $38, 900 . Miami, fort lauderdale, Florida
I attended the get motivated seminar in Miami. I Heard Phil Town (rule one investing) and Jamie Smith of (Wealthrock). As a single mother with 3 kids what they were saying was interesting to me. I make 26k a year so I was a Prospect... I signed up for the 99 dollar 3 day course.
Ryan Smith Jamies son was teaching the class. He told us he Taught Donald Trumps Kids how to be Rich stories of how he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars but was broke? did not own any thing in his name all through the companys names. I will show you how to be broke. I am Part of the 99% he joked. (i am part of that in real way not a joke) I drive a Porsche, live in Mansion, I was a pro baseball player. Showed pictures of his wife and staff with 50, 000 dollars bundle of money. He said that he took to dinner a deal finder lady and her negative husband and on way home that night threw the cash 5k at a time on man till it hit 50k Now the ladys husband will not be negative and believe.. Wow I thought this is incredible I have found my dream this is to good to be true. Lady made 50 k in one deal with him.
So they brought a team of 40 people with them. Each one stood in the front and told of there success with wealth rock system. Easy, take chance, do it they said. Then gave me a goals sheet they meet with you in back and sell you a course they know my debt/ net worth . avial credit Goals (dreams and hopes to exploit) . My adviser told me that it will be easy to make 5 million in 5 years. Think of your kids she said. You dont want them to see a old broke lady in the future do you. I asked what she made she said I can not tell you. I thought wow i just told you everything about me
The Costs of the Courses Tax Liens with Mark Walter $4995, Stocks with Phil Town Basic $4995, Intermediate $7995, Symposium $9999, Advanced $15, 999, Real Estate with Ryan Smith Basic $4995, Intermediate $7995, M5 mega $9995, Advanced 15, 995, Asset Protection with Lawyer $4995, Bonds master $4995. The way it works is, if you buy the upper tier packages, you get the lower tiers thrown in for the price. Thank God for the Elite I can get all for $26, 995 was $65, 895 Save 38, 900. I bought this one for $26, 995 my salary per year is $26000.
He also told a story that Donnie and Marie Osmonds cousin wanted to make record but donny and Marie would not support him with money he came to Ryan Smith learned the real estate and bought 3 mobile home parks. He also gave us the name and number of Credit Repair guy Greg Tilly. Told us no affiliation to him at all. Aron Osmond (the cousin) is the CEO of wealth rock, And vhesse financial credit repair is listed as a partner with him. Lies lies and more lies... I am trying to get my money back but they my Representative said paper work lost.
Do not go to Get Motivated seminar they lead you to these guys...Fast talking, slick, Rip off artists sprinkle, Christian values, Be Broke the99% (but secretly rich), helping the poor, while fleecing the poor. Nobody in there right mind would let a lady with 3 kids charge $26, 000.00 to her credit card that makes $26000 per year. My Representative said 28 people who bought elite packages. $755, 860 in Sales not a bad weekend Seminar total.
The FTC has been active in policing real-estate seminar operators in the past. " Eleven states brought 18 legal cases against seminar operators selling a variety of business and investment schemes.
The Tax Lien ScamAnother popular ploy used to hook potential investors is buying tax lien properties. You need the help of the course or system or seminar to do this, so the sellers of such items would have you believe. In truth however, you can call your local tax assessor or pay them a visit and get the same information for free.
"These seminars are fascinating from a sociological perspective, " says Stephen Roulac, a professor of real estate at Stanford University, and a real-estate investment consultant for the past 30 years."They play to people's greed and fear."
Real estate seminar speakers and their ilk prey on the innocent, the greedy and the naive and, quite frankly, many of us, if we looked deeply inside ourselves, might find one or two of those targeted traits, so nobody is really immune from these shysters
IN CONCLUSION
I'm saying:
Don't trust them
Don't do business with them
Run far, far away from them.
P.T. Barnum were alive today, he would be a real estate seminar speaker.
(There is a sucker born every minute, this was my minute)
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
When I met Phil Town I was impressed and held him in such a high regard, although my perception changed after joining the course. There is nothing different or that give you a competitive advantage in the fundamental or advance strategies that you can't learn for free or in a Ben Graham's book or in the webinar and expose all over FB and YouTube. The way the course is conducted is restricted and doesn't allow interaction with the students or instructor unless via chat, that within itself says a lot. Now in order to get your questions answered you need present them in writing a different day. How are you supposed to integrate the concepts of what is being presented? Is is an absurd way of operating, inefficient from every angle. Bottom line this course is way overvalued for the quality of instructors and information that is offered for free if you willing to look for, very disappointed to find that there is not such altruism from Phil, this was strictly a sell pitch and the instructors are in sales and motivation, nothing more.
I was reluctant to join initially but because of Phil's reputation I did joined, paid and I regretted, I was offered satisfaction guarantee of try it for a month, a total manipulation. I feel rob and so stupid after almost a year, this is not even a market loss trying to make something happened in a very difficult period of time, but a straight out deception. Certainly MOS doesn't apply to their products, this is worth 1, 000 the most.
Don't fall into this trap or any other that may be up there. I did joined because Phil Town reputation, but came to a hard realization. Now great part of the revenue is used to suppress bad reviews, be aware of that too.
They ripped me off out of $7000. I agree stay away from them. They are just as crooked as timeshare companies. Stay away from them too!
Hey @hillrl - what happened? They approached me for the "mentorship" and its $9000 a year. Seems so overpriced to learn to do a few options strategies...
Much like Trump University, information is offered. I went and paid $50 to go to an investment seminar. I found it motivational and very informative. My wife and I took notes and value them today. On the second day where they offer courses for money, people have the choice to purchase or not. If you paid $20, 000 dollars for a class, I have to wonder what in the world you thought you were buying. 20, 000 at 19% interest? I agree that there courses were expensive but that's why I didn't buy them. My wife and I were in awe of the crowds rushing to purchase courses. If I had the money to purchase a course I might have so I would imagine I would be upset too. Didn't they have to provide a course to charge you for a course, if they did, isn't that what you asked for? I still like James Smith and think he is a good guy. As investors we will have to be more careful with our money because they are not going to do it for you.
By the time I realized this, it was too late. Wealthrock doesn't have the tools and the licenses to give financial coaching. Their employees woo you in with sweet words, but once they've cashed your check, they'll leave you hanging. Steer clear of this scam of a company.
FAST TRACK TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM-
FINANCIAL FREEDOM - Financial Seminars by James Smith OR James M Smith
Those who have complaints and grievances regarding INVESTMENTS AND FINANCIAL LOSS through James Smith / James M Smith can CONTACT JAMES M SMITH in PERSON and LIVE at the FINANCIAL SEMINARS listed under Workshops on the Lead and Succeed 2014 website.
http://www.successbusinessseminar.com/
all FINANCIAL classes are taught by James Smith
/ James M Smith. He will be available to meet with all of those who have lost money through classes and INVESTMENTS with James Smith.
the classes are listed with dates and venues on the Workshop Page. Any CHANGES to the NAMES of the FINANCIAL CLASSES may be tracked through the FACEBOOK GROUP and the SUCCESS SEMINAR 2014/ Lead and Succeed 2014 website.
the CURRENT NAMES OF THE CLASSES WHERE JAMES M SMITH / JAMES SMITH OF www.JAMESSMITHCOMPANY.COM AND JAMESSMITHSERIES / OG SMITH TEAM of Organo Gold will be AVAILABLE to meet is http://www.successbusinessseminar.com/workshops.php
Financial Edge and Finacial Freedom are the CURRENT NAMES. Changes to these names may be tracked also through ALL OF THESE Sites and the Facebook group.
James Smith ALSO has a OPEN GROUP on Facebook FAST TRACK TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM that has webinars and live seminars.
James Smith Public Page on Facebook is
https://m.facebook.com/jamessmithseries?id=129794583857650&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&_rdr
joining this group will give access to all events where James Smith will meet all those who have complaints and grievances.
Orthank Gold Company events ALSO have James Smith / James M Smith available with OG Smith Team and James Smith Facebook Groups in the USA and Puerto Ricohttps://m.facebook.com/OgSmithTeam?id=350690801694418&refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FOgSmithTeam
James M Smith / James Smith/ James smith company.com can be contacted LIVE AND IN PERSON at the Financial classes by Lead and Succeed 2014 / www.successbusinessseminar.com at the Financial classes listed under WORKSHOPS on the Lead and Succeed website HOME PAGE.
Those who have lost money through classes and investment through James M Smith can contact him to share their grievances with James Smith.
The Financial Classes that are listed under Financial Edge / Financial Mastery / Financial Success have James M Smith available on the listed dates and venues.
The next classes are in Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, and San Antonio in April and May.
Income Diversification and Fast Track to Financial Freedom Facebook OPEN GROUP are also other places that James M Smith can be contacted. This OPEN group is open to all.
Organo Gold Company events listed on the company website are also meeting places where James Smith meets with his students and investors. Www.Ogsmithteam.com is James Smith team that provides information on contacting James Smith.
James M Smith of Lead and Succeed / www.successbusinessseminar.com/ www.jamessmithcompany.com/ jamessmithseries/ OG SMITHTEAM.com/ James M Smith business person public page on Facebook/ Fast Track to Financial Freedom - an Open Group on Facebook / Organo Gold Company Events listed on www.Organogold.com /@jamesssmithlive/ may be contacted for any financial loss and grievances through these sites and LIVE and in PERSON at the Workshops listed on the Lead and Succeed Business Seminar / Lead and Succeed website at success seminar 2014 in Financial classes.
Dates and venues are listed on the Workshop page under FINANCIAL SEMINARS - Financial Success or Financial Edge or Financial Mastery. All Financial and Income Diversity and Fast Track to Financial Freedom seminars.
The next classes are in April in Seattle and Chicago. Dates and venues are available through the Lead and Succeed website under Workshops and to the Fast Track to Financial Freedom Facebook OPEN Group members.
James M Smith of James Smith Company, James Smith Series, James Smith Online, OG SMITHTEAM.com that is a Organo Hold coffee pyramid scheme, speaker and seeks Financial Edge Classes for Lead and Succeed at their seminars Success Seminar 2013 & 2014 and teaches the Financial Edge Classes that are listed with dates and venues on their website under Workshops can be contacted for the grievances and complaints. His new Public Page on Facebook has been started by his new student Valentina Kanich of Largo, Florida.
@valentina7777 has started a public page for M Smith as Business Person
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650&refid=13
James M Smith can be contacted live at the seminars and classes and posting on his Public Facebook Page.
https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650&refid=13
James M Smith of James Smith Company, James Smith Series, James Smith Online, OG Smith Team.com that is a pyramid scheme of Organo Gold coffee, speaker and seller of Financial Edge Classes at the Lead and Succeed Seminars / Success Seminars 2013 & 2014, teaches the Financial Edge classes listed on the Lead and Succeed website under Workshops and sells more classes there has a new Public Page as Business Person on Facebook started by Valentina Kanich of Largo, Florida.
@valentina7777 is a new student of James Smith and is helping.
Grievances can be shared on this new public page https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=129794583857650&refid=13
Or in person at the seminars and workshops.
James M Smith's students who have lost money through the financial seminars where James M Smith introduced them to investments that have lost money can get more information through these sites and contact Securities and Exchange Commission in Salt Lake City Utah that is already investigating.
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+smith+armand+franquelin&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
$12M Ponzi Scheme took Victims IRA SEC says
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/07/03/59056.htm
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From James Smith's website>>> http://goo.gl/4zV6x
As an investor who has been given the enormous blessing of being able to travel the world helping others learn how to conquer fear and achieve varying levels of financial success, I have worked tirelessly to give each person who meets me that which I desperately wanted early in my career; a financial pathway that inspires people to take action. My challenge, and equally my motivation, has been to incite a spark of belief inside of those who feel like they cannot overcome their circumstances and are bound to the failings of their past.
Despite what some people might think, I do not run a large company with legions of employees; in fact, this company, the “James Smith Company” is comprised of me and my incredible assistant. For all but 6 years of my speaking career, I have not owned the companies that organized the speaking events where I presented. I know my strengths (investing, motivating people, teaching) and my weaknesses (management, paperwork). I capitalize on my strengths and identify others who help me where I fall short. In real estate for instance, if it were not for my wife, mortgages and taxes would go unpaid, property managers would be unaccountable, and HUD-1′s would be lost in a stack of clutter. My task has always been to work with people that I trust and believe in – many times I am right, but sometimes I am misled.
In 2010, I was approached by Joe Johnson, who at the time was an executive at Get Motivated Seminars. I had partnered with Get Motivated Seminars for years and was confident that they employed good people. Joe Johnson propositioned me with an offer to buy Real Estate Investor Support “REIS”, the seminar company that I founded in 2007. He convinced me that by selling my company to him, I would be able to spend more time teaching others and expanding our message to international audiences. As I noted above, the dynamics of running a large organization simply aren’t my forte – I wanted to be client facing, not employee facing. One main deal point for me was the ability to oversee and manage the material that was taught to people who attended the new company’s trainings.
In January of 2011, Real Estate Investor Education “REIE” purchased all of the assets of REIS and Joe Johnson was now in charge. Initially the relationship between myself and REIE was excellent and I was glad to have trusted Johnson. This trust however would prove to be short lived. In July of 2011, Johnson started engaging in activity that violated my sale agreement with his company. I questioned him and attempted to make him adhere to our terms, but it was clear that he had a new agenda. In addition to changing the name of the company from REIE to Wealth Rock, he stopped working with several of the instructors and trainers that I believed in the most. In addition to personnel changes, he stopped making payments to key creditors and boasted a “sue me if you don’t like it attitude.” People sued. For months leading up to the final insolvency of Wealth Rock / REIE, good and honest people who worked for Wealth Rock and who believed in Joe, went unpaid. Selling my company to REIE nearly cost me the entire value of my company, which I had built up over years of work and sacrifice.
Since Wealth Rock shut its doors, I have, at my own expense, held trainings that Wealth Rock students were allowed to attend at no cost to them. I have hosted hundreds of students in San Diego, Marina del Rey, Dallas and Orlando. These trainings were merely designed to teach students the material that they paid Johnson’s company for, but did not receive.
This article is not written in order to garner sympathy for myself – I do not need it. Even though my deal with Johnson has cost me a significant sum of money, the financial investments that individuals and family’s lost with Wealth Rock / REIE was potentially greater in magnitude than my own. I merely want to clarify to the thousands of Wealth Rock / REIE clients that I have, and will continue to, provide you with as much educational content as I possibly can. I do not have a budget to do this; however, my mission when I started speaking was to help others. I deeply regret selling my company and am ashamed that I was misled. I want to make it right to the greatest extend that I can.
http://seminarwatchlawsuit.blogspot.com/2009/11/james-smith-real-estate-organization.html
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I was at the Get Motivated Seminar June 12, 2012 in Buffalo, NY. It was awesome to listen to the speakers. I even got to meet " The Woz". I was also the not so lucky winner of the $10, 000 cash prize. Check out their Facebook page. I say " not so lucky" because i never got paid. That's right. They waited till my finest moment to skip town without a trace. They won't return phone calls or emails. Now I hear they havn't paid the big ticket speakers and they are now out of business.
After reading the various blogs and experiences with the programs, I guess it's lucky for me I didn't exit through the gift shop.
@Sabrina
Would you mind telling us HOW Wealthrock was a lifesaver for you?
I am sure we would all like to hear more.
Contact your congressman.
There has to be a branch of either state or federal government that goes after scammers.
What about contacting the media? The media love a good sob story.
That Corey Stewart must be paid to answer comments by lying unless he has never attended a full seminar.
Did you ask your credit card company for refund? They hate to lose a customer! Lots of credit cards out there you can switch to.
He doesn't offer any products but a $12 seminar? Did you leave early? On the second day of the seminar, they come out with the tuition prices.
I think anyone who paid by credit card should contact their credit card company when they did not get what they paid for and ask for a refund.
Oh give me a break. Ryan is awesome. How can he rip you off? He doesn't even offer any products, just a $12 seminar. I learned a lot for him and you are not to tell me the seminar wasn't worth it.
Wow Ryan sublime identity. I sued and won my money back. Glad Wealthrock is done.
I wish I Had stayed away. Too late now... And to top it off they continue to call.. I've thrown away my children's money.
I GOT RIPPED OFF BY THIS COMPANY. I BELIEVED THAT THEY COULD TEACH ME AND MENTOR ME. I WAS PROMISED PERSONAL COACHING AND THAT MY COACH WOULD HELP ME DO A DEAL. MY COACH SPENT 30 MINUTES WITH ME ON THE PHONE AND HUNG UP. HE DID NOT HELP US AT ALL. I AM NEARLY 60, AND JUST TRYING TO RETIRE. I WORKED HARD MY ENTIRE LIFE AND TRUSTED WEALTH ROCK. NOW I WILL HAVE TO WORK SEVERAL MORE YAERS BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY COULD DO FOR ME WAS A LIE. I LOST 12K AND HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT A RECEIPT TO SHOW FOR IT. I AM STILL PAYING OFF MY CREDIT CARD.
I KNEW THAT I WAS GOING TO HVAE TO WORK BUT THEY COACH TOLD ME THAT I HAD TO HAVE MONEY TO MAKE MONEY AND WITHOUT IT, I NEEDED TO PLACE ADS TO FIND AN INVESTMENT PARTNER. I DID WHAT HE SAID AND NEVER GOT ONE CALL.
DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY LIKE I DID.
This company is one HUGE scam that preys on good people by lying to them and doing so in the name of God.
My wife went to the Get Motivated event in Miami a few months back because she was excited about the speakers. She saw James Smith and Phil Town speak bought both of their programs. Initially I was mad at how much money she spent at the conference but I decided to support her and went to hear what these "experts" had to say.
When we attended the first event, instead of seeing Phil Town, we listened to Ryan Smith. He stated that he was the son of James Smith, one of the two speakers that my "sold" my wife at the Get Motivated event. Ryan Smith essentially spent most of the first day bragging about how great he is, how much money he has, how charitable he is and how stupid other people are. He is extremely arrogant and abrasive. He claimed that he was a professional baseball player. The only problem for him is that he never made a professional roster because I am a religious baseball fanatic. I know every team and practically every player. He never played major league ball, or AAA or even AA for that matter. Why someone would claim to be a professional athlete when they verifiably were not is pretty brazen. Ryan also claimed that Donal Trump asked him to teach his kids how to invest in real estate. Although I cannot dispute this fact because I do not know Donald Trump, I did research and find that Donald Trumps kids went to University of Pennsylvania, the same school that Donal went to and Ivanka graduated with a specialty in real estate. Trump also donated millions to that school. Why would Donal Trump pay Ryan Smith, who was (and still is) a kid, to train his children when he is one of the wealthiest real estate investors in the world and sent them to a preeminent school that he obviously believes in because he supports it financially.
On day 2, the tone of the seminar drastically changed. We were invited to meet with "coaches" in the back of the room who would help us figure out a game plan to start investing. As it turns out the coaches wanted to know how much money I had and they asked me if I had credit cards, cash and other assets. I did not know any of these people and yet they were asking me for my personal financial information. This should be a red flag... run.
Toward the end of the day, it became very clear to me why they asked if I had credit cards or cash: they were selling training courses for almost $30, 000. Ryan became very aggressive and spouted off that if we wanted to be prosperous and basically good people, then we would "invest" in ourselves. I don't see how spending tens of thousands of dollars on a program that I have to "buy now" positions me for success in life. If the company that Ryan and all of the other seminar monkeys work for is so reputable and will be around for the long haul, then why do I have to buy now. Why such pressure? We did not return for day 3, even though I was told by one of the "coaches" (read: high pressure salesmen) Nikko that God would be in the room on Sunday and therefore I didn't need to go to church.
I was so upset from the event that I didn't want to go to the next seminar. My wife was very embarrassed as well. Despite the first event, my wife wanted to hear James Smith speak and she said that he was much different from his son Ryan. I decided to go with her to the next event. To my dismay and her horror, the next event which was supposed to feature James Smith actually featured Ryan Smith and his wife Jamie and all of his goons. They told the same stories, tried to tell the same jokes and basically repeated what we paid for just a few days earlier.
The event was an exact copy of what we had just listened to. Why did my wife pay two fees for the same classes that had two different names. Makes no sense.
To sum it up, we left and demanded a refund. Wealth Rock was terrible to deal with because they sounded shocked that we weren't happy with the event and pretended like we were the only customers who wanted their money back. I knew that we were the only ones wanting refunds because at the second event, we sat with 3 other couples that we met at the first event. We all decided to leave at lunch on the first day and we all asked for our money back. I spoke with several other people at the event who had similar complaints.
Three months have passed and they still haven't refunded my money. I called Wealth Rock last week to see when my refund was coming. The phone rep couldn't answer my questions and I asked for the manager. I was told that I couldn't speak with anyone else because Wealth Rock's staff was on "furlough". I had to look up the word and it means a "temporary unpaid leave of absence". Wealth Rock has apparently let their staff go on an unpaid leave for some reason.
Watch out for Wealth Rock, Phil Town, James Smith, Ryan Smith and the rest of these clowns. They will tell you anything and make up lies just to get a sale. Oh and they will do everything in the name of Jesus.
I attended the same seminar in Fairfax, Virginia. This was the best seminar I have ever been to. I've learned more about business in those three days than I have learned in high school. Ryan did say there was somebody writing bad reviews pretending to be multiple people, and encouraged us to write good reviews to contradict. Although you may genuinely feel that this seminar was a waste of time and money, I, respectfully, disagree.
Wow, sorry you feel this way. Wealthrock, along witht heir whole crew and the many amazing mentors have been nothing but a lifesaver for my family and I. Remember, in the end, you were the one who made the decission to purchase that package. We were not pressured at all, and even went home to think about it for a day. My best advice to you is, go to the classes, and take action. Yes, the majority of the students will go, then sit back and not do nothing with their education. However, I am not one of those students. I am already taking action and putting this amazing education to use. Please, do not just sit back. The future is scarry, and unless you personally do something to better yourself, it will be hard to survive.
Sabrina Laplante