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The National Public Sex Offender Registry, Sex Offender Registration Notification Act, (SORNA) and the Adam Walsh Act is counter productive to the safety of men, women and children in society.

Not only does the Public Sex Offender Registry banish all those upon the registry including their innocent children, but also it actually has been shown to create a heightened potential for recidivism among ex offenders who would be otherwise law abiding citizens.

THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYERS SPEAKS ON THE ISSUES

A professional bar association founded in 1958, NACDL's more than 12, 800 direct members -- and 94 state, local, and international affiliate organizations with another 35, 000 members -- include private criminal defense lawyers, public defenders, active U.S. military defense counsel, law professors and judges committed to preserving fairness within America's criminal justice system.

II. NACDL opposes sex offender registration and public notification laws. If employed at all, sex offender registries should classify sex offenders on the basis of risk, with full due process of law. Public/community notification provisions should be reserved for “High Risk” sex offenders.
V. NACDL opposes residence restrictions because such laws and ordinances do not provide effective community protection and threaten offender stability and reintegration into society.

The recent wave of sex offender legislation is based upon emotion and myths about sex offenders which are not supported by valid research or evidence. Legislation in this area should be based upon facts and valid evidence. The NACDL encourages criminal defense lawyers, prosecutors and legislators to oppose legislation based upon myth and public emotion. In doing so we can ensure both public safety and due process. SOURCE

PATTY WETTERLING SPEAKS TO THE ISSUES:

We need better answers.
We need to fund prevention programs that stop sexual violence before it happens.
We need to look at what can help those released from prison to succeed so that they don't victimize again -- and that probably means housing and jobs and treatment and community support.
Given that current laws are extremely popular, taking truly effective measures may exact a high political price.
But that's surely not too much to pay to prevent the kidnap, rape or murder of another child.

and

I am worried that we're focusing so much energy on naming and shaming convicted sex offenders that we're not doing as much as we should to protect our children from other real threats.

Many states make former offenders register for life, restrict where they can live, and make their details known to the public. And yet the evidence suggests these laws may do more harm than good. ...From her article, THE HARM IN SEX OFFENDER LAWS

Placing the name, age, address, crime, place of employment and many pieces of information on a Publicly accessible website creates a state of constant instability for the ex offenders and their families.

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If anyone you love has had their life train-wrecked by the Public Sex Offender Registry. If you are sick of being shamed, humiliated, degraded and banished from society by the in sanity of the public sex offender registry.. If you cannot afford an attorney to fight for your rights.. at least make an effort to say YOU WILL NOT STAND TO BE HUMILIATED AND DEGRADED LIKE THIS.
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  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -3 Votes

    So, what despicable acts? Teenagers caught sending nude photos to each other.. labeled sex offender. 19 year old highschool boy branded a sex offender for having consensual sex with his 15 year old high school girl friend? People out skinny dipping... people out drinking, stop to take a leak.. some kid sees them peeing.. now they are sex offenders..
    Not everyone on the PUBLIC SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY IS A CHILD MOLESTER OR RAPIST

  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -4 Votes

    Sorry, but you have NO data to support your hypothesis of High Recidivism, Fortunately, I do. From government studies, recidivism is between 3 and 5 %. 95% of all on the registry are first time offenders. 95% of all on the registry will never re commit a sex crime. 95% of all sex offenses are committed by persons well known to the victim... Just in case residency restrictions come up.. Not one case of where the perpetrator lived would have had any effect on the outcome of the case, if residency restrictions had been in place. All substantiated by studies done by professionals. Now, show me YOUR statistics, studies that back up what YOU so blatantly say.

  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -3 Votes

    Brenda, so, people have the right to know.. tell me, how many people live in your neighborhood who drove drunk and killed someone? How many robbers... tell me, why is it that ONLY those who committed a sex crime are on a public registry to shame them?
    Let's look at YOUR life, tell me how YOU have never done anything wrong.. would you want the world to know every thing you have done in your life? You people are all pretty self righteous... I never said a person intentionally took a leak in front of kids... I said kids accidentally saw a person taking a leak...You people think you are so innocent... yes, 18 and 15 have been having sex since time started... just because they have made a law against it does not mean kids lives should be ruined for ever over doing what kids do. And you know what, sometimes girls lie. I can see there is no use even wasting my brain cells on people who have not a clue.. Lives are being ruined by these laws... thousands of lawyers know it, politicians know it...

  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -4 Votes

    Dawniette So you are saying if 2 15 year olds, a boy and a girl send nude photos of themselves to each other, and get caught, they should be put on the public sex offender registry for Child Pornographers. Is that what you are saying? JDH55 Yeah, tattoo sex offender on 2 15 year old kids...I guess you would be the kind of person who would love to see two 15 year olds in a pay per view death match simply because they sent nude photos of themselves to each other...*Brenda* yeah, right.. ALL THOSE WHO ARE LABELED SEX OFFENDERS are not rapists and child molesters... have you not read what has been said...YOUR kids can be charged and convicted as sex offenders for doing what kids do.. having sex with each other and sending nude photos to each other... when it happens to your kids, you will be wishing for these laws to change.

  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -5 Votes

    gkenigmatic
    http://www.pcsndreams.com/Pages/Sexting_Statistics.html
    TEENAGE SEXTING STATISTICS

    In a recent survey posted by The National Campaign, some alarming statistics about teenage sexting were uncovered. Sexting seems to be the newest craze among teenagers and it is a very dangerous craze. Sexting is when a person takes a flirtatious, nude or semi-nude picture of their self and sends it to others through their cell phone or other means of texting device.

    Should parents be concerned about sexting? Yes, especially when you read some of the sexting statistics below. Kids are sexting to people they only met online, they are sexting to boyfriends and girlfriends or potential companions. Some of the teenagers are sexting out of peer pressure. Some just do it for fun. But they are doing it and a parent needs to be aware of the potential dangers of sexting.

    Not only can sexting ruin reputations, but it can also get your teenager arrested for distributing child pornography. This has happened quite frequently lately as you can see by some of the news stories about sexting. The images also get circulated on the Internet. Parents need to monitor their kids cell phone very closely. Cell phone monitoring can be done either physically or with the help of a software service like Mobile Spy. Or you can restrict and control the mobile phone with Mobile Nanny.

    Here are Some of the Shocking Sexting Statistics:

    The percent of teenagers who have sent or posted nude or semi-nude pictures or video of themselves:

    20% of teenagers overall
    22% of teen girls
    18% of teen boys
    11% of young teen girls ages 13-16
    The percent of teenagers sending or posting sexually suggestive messages:

    39% of all teenagers
    37% of teen girls
    40% of teen boys ... read the article, Where have YOU been? You must not have children...
    BTW, I do not even allow my kids to have cell phones...

  • Sa
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -3 Votes

    The sex offender registry is everything I signed up to fight wars against. It is un-American and I'll be damned if I won't say so if I was willing to take a bullet to keep other men free.

    There are no real arguments here from the pro-shackles crowd, just trolls and internet rednecks slavering over the opportunity to make fools of themselves. I stand with honor and with truth and I stand against this abomination.

  • Am
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -1 Votes

    Dawniette:
    So, you are saying, every person who has ever driven drunk is in jail. Imagine that.
    12 thousand people nationally die each year due to alcohol related deaths.
    Some people have been arrested for their 10th time for dui.
    Drunk drivers have killed whole families in one car wreck, then are released from prison.
    And you do not care where those people live.. while your children are out riding bikes, skateboarding or families are out driving around..
    But you want to know where that 19 year old who had sex with his 15 year old girl friend lives.. because you want to protect your children,
    Do YOU ACTUALLY HEAR YOURSELF?
    Let me think about this.
    1. Guy killed a couple while driving drunk.
    2. Guy had sex with his willing girl friend who was 15 years old.
    Which one would I want as a neighbor? Hmm... that takes a LOT of thought.
    NOT!

  • Su
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -3 Votes

    There is so much wrong with the sex offender registry laws. The worst thing is that now because of the national hysteria about the rare but horrible cases of stranger-danger, MOST who are put on the registry are NOT dangerous, and ESPECIALLY NOT DANGEROUS to pre-pubescent children. The registry is BLOATED and this does not help protect our children. It does, however, help unscrupulous politicians, overly zealous prosecutors wanting to use it as job advancement, judges scared of losing their jobs and mostly the drama-driven"news" stations, esp. FAUX news.
    Garrida was in COMPLIANCE people...what does that tell you? The more non dangerous people on the registry, the better it is for the truly dangerous to hide..and that's exactly what happened and will continue to happen. BAD LAWS DO NOT PROTECT CHILDREN. These laws are not effective...they only are a smokescreen for protecting kids...they don't actually do it... but some people are buying it. That's a shame because it can backfire...If people 's lives are ruined (who are not dangerous) and they can't live in their own homes, lose their jobs, etc. what are they supposed to do?
    I am not arguing to help truly dangerous offenders here (though the nutcases will take it that way). But we should want to help anyone with that kind of a problem to PREVENT crimes. (see COSA and it does work where it's been tried)
    I'm arguing for those thousands on the registry who are on there for downloading porn (NO REAL VICTIM--just virtual ones...AND WHAT IS CALLED "CHILD PORN" COULD BE A SEXY 15 YR. OLD ...Now this man has a FELONY on his record and is on there for life? IS he really DANGEROUS? iS A MAN WHO GOES TO A TEEN PROSTITUTE WHO LIED TO HIM AND THE COPS about her age dangerous? These people and the mooners, public urinators, porn downloaders, esp. the texting nude pics, etc. BELONG IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY than a dangerous child predator. Do distinctions matter? Obviously not to some people.

  • Ja
      14th of Dec, 2010
    +1 Votes

    back in 1941 japan bombed pearl harbor which pushed the US into world war 2 3 days later Germany declared war on the US it was then decided to go to Germany to take hitler out first because he seemed to pose the most threat now millions of men enlisted to go and fight. what Germany did was strip the jews of their homes their jobs their lives a lot of american men went overseas to fight this and a lot of them died gave their lives so that the German jew could be free to be able to live where they choose without the scorn from government is this the way the US is heading? i have been reading a lot of posts here about killing shameing tattoing people is that not what the german people did to the jews? is that what all of those american men went over there to fight and die for? is this how we cherish the memory of the men who fought and died so that someone in another country could be free? by doing the same thing to some Americans what the Germans have done to the jews during world war 2? you can say all day they did it to themselves and in some cases it is true but we do have laws we have the consitution that says no ex post facto laws will be enacted people who have served their time and payed their debt and who have been crime free since then have a right to be left alone and to live. is this what we have become? a nation of fear? we do not need govenment to raise and watch our kids we need to be parents we need to be responsable we need to watch our kids teach them right from wrong. and before any of you start yelling and screaming for my head and saying wait until it happeneds to one of your kids let me stop you right there it has happened to my child and it was not from a stranger it was someone that was well known to me someone that i had trusted with my child.and i will leave you to think about this think about that man the one who put on that uniform who raised his hand swore to defend the consitution then went overseas to fight and to die so that YOU could be free.

  • Su
      14th of Dec, 2010
    0 Votes

    My dad 26, my Mom 17. Today he would be a sex offender. Thankfully this was in 1944 when they married and no one thought twice about it! If those out there think teens having consensual sex should be on the registry, I hope someday they don't get a wake up call and it is their child! AND, it doesn't even have to be sex; a semi nude photo or inappropriate touching are enough to land them on the registry! Follow this link and see what almost happened; thankfully someone came to their senses!!! But, I can just imagine the psychological damage that was done to this ALMOST sex offender!! http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=94641&page=1 Or google the story from AZ on the parents who nearly lost their children because of pictures of their kids in the bathtub! Be VERY careful if you think you can't get caught up in this hysteria. It may someday be you!

  • Ja
      14th of Dec, 2010
    0 Votes

    i had a feeling someone would take what i said the wrong way its the concept behind freedom what this country is suppose to stand for its what we fought england for unjust laws you cant sentance someone 20 years ago and expect them to keep paying for their crime over and over and over.if someone does it over and over then YES! by all means punish them for it but if they went to court and asnwered for that crime 12 15 or 20 or even 30 years ago and have been crime free since then they have a right to live where they want they have a right to be free they payed their debt and the laws that was voted on are even catching up kids kids are now branded for life is this what you wanted? do you think that its fair to do this? i dont get it the law makers say that at 13 a kid can not consent to sex or 14 but yet you take that same 13 or 14 year old kid and they go out and do a crime say murder then all of a sudden they say the kid knows right from wrong and then want to try them as a adult!?...now i am at aloss for words

  • Ja
      14th of Dec, 2010
    0 Votes

    yeah erin i can compare it to the perscution of the jews those men went over there fought and died so that the people of the US would not have to have those types of laws here.they fought and died for FREEDOM so that their children and grandchildren could live FREE lives and not to be told by the state on where they can and cant live if you start taking away peoples rights what makes you think that the next right to be taken away is the right to bear arms? think about it.go ahead be like sheep let big brother tell you what they think is best for you and your family.once they see that that can get away with doing this whats to stop them from taking away something else you hold dear? i am not saying not to punish or if someone is doing it over and over my god yes! punish them but not someone who did something almost 30 years ago they have a right to be left alone

  • Wh
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -1 Votes

    This sickens my heart. My son is on the registry and never touched a soul. He chatted online with a teenager when he was in his very early 20's! My gosh, I only dated guys in their 20's when I was a young lady that age! I'd have personally put 10 dudes on the registry if today's laws were in effect.

    Remember, it doesn't take much to get on the registry. Don't shoot my son in the head. He's not dangerous and didn't touch anyone. Please remember this. Some of the comments make me worry for his own life and his childrens' lives and his wife! Do you want them all dead? How can we call this America if we want someone who chatted with a teenager dead? (no, he never attempted to meet her, she tried to meet up with him and he told her NO)

    The evidence is there - learn the truth of how YOU can so easily become someone who has to register. It's scary and I tell every man I meet how easy it would be for me to put them on the registry. All it takes is me saying something untrue..and voila, they're in prison and on the registry - no evidence needed. It's my word against theirs and men are all ### I guess, according to these laws. We are no longer a freedom loving country if some of these commentors want what they want. I'm shocked and dismayed. EVERY American has rights.

    He who is innocent, case the first stone, I sure can't.

  • Dj
      14th of Dec, 2010
    -1 Votes

    Even John Walsh has said he didn't want the sex offender registry going this far, that the politicians are using it for personal gain.
    Since he is the one who pushed to create it, and he sees the wrong in it, I would suspect most of America does too.
    Yea, put the Physical rapist and Child molesters on there, leave all the rest out as their crimes did not harm anyone but "usually" a parents EGO.
    Sorry, but i agree it needs to be revamped

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    -2 Votes

    1. Don't feed the trolls. These people get vacuum dents in their foreheads every time they attempt a cogent thought.
    2. The only statistics I saw on this board so far which were backed up by any citations were from Amanda. How about the rest of your Witchfinders General come up with citations to your quoted statistics. You can't, because they were simply made up in your addled minds.
    3. Who on earth are YOU to decide where anyone lives, or whether they live or die? You bloated lardasses would be the first ones screaming blue murder if someone did that to you with the same arbitrary and capricious methods being applied to sex offenders.
    4. This is one of the reasons we are laughing stock to the rest of the world. Doing this is against the UN Charter of Human Rights as well as the European Charter of Human Rights. It's also against the constitution and it's only a matter of time before this gets brought up in the World Court of Human Rights or there is armed revolution by the 800, 000+ people you have forced onto this registry. Be warned!
    5. We understand that, for some reason, it is human nature, and oddly enough, a pillar of US society, to need someone to feel better than. Beating on sex offenders empowers you to feel better about your own miserable lives and takes your mind off the failing economy and government and basically that the whole US is circling the drain and in the tank. There always has to be a dog for you to kick just so you can feel better about yourselves. Well, remember, you animals, that every dog shall have his day!

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    -2 Votes

    And we thank you for doing so, immodest.

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    -2 Votes

    My status? Really? What do you know about me? Nothing. But let's talk about you and your hyped statistics.
    Please do give us citations to the studies wherefrom you derived your ludicrous assertions. Amanda was the only one to give citations. Can you or won't you? Without that, your assertions are just that: assertions.
    All you have done is parrot some fear-mongering politician somewhere and parts/excerpts of the law and proposed bill.
    Try using that omnipresent brain of yours and think for yourself for once instead of eating the hype and fear generated by others. Oh, and grow up!

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    -1 Votes

    Mine are based on what I have seen and read and the premise of right and wrong as well as history. What the US is doing now is no better than what Hitler did to the Jews or the Jews have done to the Palestinians. I believe in Human Rights as well as punishment, but I also believe in rehabilitation and treatment. The problem with so many of your ilk is that you immediately want to crucify people without regard to the extent of damage your actions may cause to their families or to the community in general. Not to mention the fact that the law just doesn't work.
    Shame on you if your assertions are based on your education. Obviously, you have cut it short somewhere or attended rural parochial schools. I think somewhere deep inside you is a better person than this.
    And for the record, your assertions are just as self-serving as Amanda's and you still have provided no cites.
    I'm really curious though. have you ever known anyone who is a "sex offender?" What did they allegedly do? Were you surprised when you found out, because they seemed to be such a good person to you? Have you met them again since? How did you treat them? Here is a chance for you to expound on your theories and observations.

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    0 Votes

    So, thought crime, huh? Wow, George Orwell would be pleased!
    Further, you show your humanity by saying: "There would be no devastation to the offenders families and communities had they not offended in the first place. The damage to both the offender's family and community as well as the victims and their families and communities is caused by the offender. " That is so sad and so wrong. This public listing shames and endangers the families and children of offenders as well.
    This is supposedly a country of opportunity and second-chances, but you would deny sex-offenders a second chance. How wrong is that? You apparently don't think people can change, and you say there is no cure. But where are you getting these statistics? Is there some quantum leap in psychiatric medicine that says this? I haven't read of it yet. Would you please pass along your references?
    Immodest, I had hoped you would be able to be reasoned with, but you just slam doors. Are you really that close-minded, or are you just writing things to prolong this discussion so the buffoon who goes through and rates everyone who is pro with a "-" and everyone who is contra with a "+" has something to do in their spare time?

  • Ra
      15th of Dec, 2010
    -2 Votes

    @JerseyGuy46
    Thanks for the stats. Kinda backs up what people have been saying that sex offenders are less likely to re-offend.
    Can you explain this one? "Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3% of sex offenders versus 1.3% of non-sex offenders."
    As English is not my first language, is this comparing sex offenders to non-sex offenders in being re-arrested for a sex crime? That's a strange comparison.
    The stats also show a good basis for keeping the re-offenders in prison for a much longer time, but provide no basis for the registry to function as it is. I would also be very wary of any statistics coming from the US Government. It would be interesting to see a nationwide aggregate that was independently done. Do you have any stats from, say, 2007 onwards?

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