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Our kitten came home with a rare parasite called tritrichomonas, breeder and her partner Diane (her cattery is Crimson Rose Cattery) contend that this parasite is common and benign. It had to be identified by one of only two labs in the US at that time because it is NOT common nor benign. Treatment for it is off label, unstudied, untested and largely ineffective.
Fast forward past that expensive horrific ordeal to 2 years later. Now our boy is diagnosed with HCM. A genetic degenerative heart disease. Ms. Susan states that HCM can "crop up" and is not a result of her breeding practices yet when asked she refuses to produce heart scans on either parent cat to support she is actively scanning for the disease and when found halting the breeding of the affected animals. Offers us a "replacement" cat. Like our boy can be replaced! And like I would want another sick animal from her breeding pool. Obviously my request to replace her offer of a replacement kitten with a refund of the $1200 I paid for this sick cat was declined. Imagine that.
I urge anyone considering a kitten from this breeder (or her partner) to read between the lines on the website. She lists many cat affiliations yet really only works with one. I further urge anyone to just get your kitten elsewhere. While I love my baby I got from her--his life will be cut drastically short due to his disease. And all this after he spent his first year with us sick from his parasite which was a very unpleasant ordeal for us, him and all our other cats he shared it with.
Please due your homework, don't take informatino on websites to be a factual representation and be careful not to support these breeders who are in it for the wrong reasons and who are not doing their due diligence with their vet care.
My only hope is that if her "sales" are reduced maybe she will stop breeding her cats and stop propogating sick animals for profit. Please be careful!
At the end of the day Ms. Accetta refused to grant my simple request of showing me my boys parent's scans stating in was none of my business when I inquired was she actively scanning her breeding stock and doing her diligence as a breeder. I requested seeing the scans after I reviewed her website that clearly represents she actively does so--shame on me for feeling that I had the right to ask since she put it out there and I now had a cat from her that had the disease.
And I guess it appears I was misinformed by my primary care vet and her two partners, the internal specialist AND the cardiologist because clearly I'm mistaken in all my information as it pertains to what my boy has had, has gone through, is going through and what the end result was and will be.
I too can cut and paste the emails to support my side as well as to demonstrate how this exchange went but I really don't not think arguing it out here is going to be of any value. And I wouldn't want to embarass anyone...
Sadly, no matter at the end of the day I have basic facts and the facts are what they are and the costs have been exorbitant. I'm sorry but no one here that is volunteering support and opinions had endured what we have nor are they shouldering the burden of all the medical costs involved and to date they are in the thousands. Proof of which I emailed to Ms. Accetta however she failed to cut and paste that part.
And finally shame on me for requesting a refund of the high price I paid for a sick kitten who is now even sicker so that I could put that money toward his care that is now lifelong, ongoing and extremely expensive. His monthly meds are over $100 alone and that's not counting the professional fees that go along with it. You must all be appalled at me for refusing her glorious offer of a "replacement" kitten when she really owes me nothing--at least that seems to be the consensus. Again, Cosmo can not be replaced nor would I ever want another kitten from Ms. Accetta's stock. I guess I'm appalled that she can offer a replacement kitten yet not a refund. Hmmmm...think about that for a minute.
If this all makes me the kitten buyer from hell than so be it... I guess I am--although I would certainly phrase it a bit differently--that is if you asked my side the story. But hey, thanks for all the input...
Maggie Crabtree
Susan, your message was private however my answer is public since it might as well be all out there right?
My reply: Actually he is not well as we just had a two night emergency hospital stay about 3 weeks ago and he has now entered the early stages of congestive heart failure. He is on five daily medications and has a visit today where it will be decided if he has to go back on two more. His monthly expense including his prescription and his vet care are averaging about $200-$500 per month provided we have no emergencies--otherwise it goes up from there.
Honestly what made me the angriest is how you handled all this. I'll admit my expectations were low after how the parasite issue was handled and blown off. When the HCM problem came up I contacted you and at first you seemed truly concerned. That lasted all of one or two conversations. I simply contacted you and asked that the owners of his litter mates be alerted so medical care could be sought although I can't deny I was hoping for a refund of some of the monies we paid so I might put it towards his care. I also asked to see his parent’s scans since I saw on your website that you still were representing that you actively scanned your breeding stock. You declined to show me the scans and said it was "none of my business". I guess since it was after the sale that was your prerogative but your refusal seemed very, very telling. You also originally offered to give me the names of the other owners--I did not ask for them. Then when I later simply questioned if the other owners were contacted you made like I had made some demand that I did not and made me feel like some stalker about it. I guess you forgot what you put out there. At that point I felt compelled to post something out there so that others would not fall into the same trap. I also contacted the CFA but I have yet to file the complaint with them although the papers have been here for a year.
I really have nothing to say regarding whether you have severed your relationship with Dianne or not. You are the one who spoke and emailed with me through all of this with regard to the problems we've had from the beginning until now. My contact with Dianne consisted of "hey I like that kitten may I come see him". From there I worked with you two together or with you when there were problems so no matter how you slice it you certainly have some culpability here. I gave my money to you both and my papers say this kitten is registered to your cattery so my apologies if you somehow feel this is hers and not your responsibility. I guess maybe you both should have considered that way back when. And your argument to my complaint post was most certainly your words clearly indicating your involvement. Nice touch getting into all the technical’s so you can demonstrate that you're an expert. However being an expert on something does not mean you will be ethical with that knowledge although many people will read it that way. I work for a physician and I'm capable of the same however what I choose to do with that skill it then up to my personal ethics whether used appropriately or abused.
You'll see I chose not to engage in the argument from a year ago until now. It wasn't meant to be a pissing contest or a poor me post. It was meant to alert people that something is wrong here and they could infer what they like as I simply stated the facts based on my personal experience--do your homework BETTER and ask for those scans BEFORE you buy and KNOW YOUR BREEDER. Shame on me for not doing so is the lesson I learned. Although I suspect my approach to purchasing any kitten in the future will probably be pretty off putting to most.
Cosmo is currently participating in a major university study on feline HCM and genetics. In fact we are taking our other healthy Sphynx with us to Cosmo's vet appointment today so they can take samples from him for the same study. The study is open for samples until sometime this fall so should you decide as a Sphynx breeder to participate in it I’d be happy to get you the information.
What breaks my heart the most out of all this is that we love him so, so much and I can't imagine a time when he will not be with us yet that time will surely come sooner rather than later. His personality is like no other and he is such a good boy about everything. He tolerates his twice daily pilling and potassium supplements like a champ and will even purr when you give him a cuddle when you are done. I suppose at the end of the day it's a good thing he ended up with us because most people would not have pursued an expensive ultrasound just because their vet found a murmur which is usually blown off as no big deal. Had that been the case in our situation he would surely have been dead by now from that neglect if not put to sleep because of the massive expenses involved that would have been revealed by a serious emergency. Heartbreaking especially considering he is only 4 years old now.
So thank you for your inquiry and update. I hope my reply gives you some clarity on my perspective. It’s clear we each see this very differently and I doubt that will ever change but thanks for asking about him.
Maggie Crabtree
As one of your defenders so eloquently put it: The Buyer from Hell
UPDATE: After many ups and downs with his disease our little man finally lost his battle with HCM. Our beautiful Cosmo passed away two days ago and our hearts are completely shattered.
Momo you will always be in our hearts. We love you so, so much little boy. And I miss you with every single piece of my soul.
Cosmo P. Crabtree
5/06 - 4/11
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
This was posted today, March 21 2015 from Carrie Hallams personal facebook account. Did ya'll know she is an ordained minister? LOL online of course. What a sweet angel she is trying to make herself seem to be a poor little victim.
"Carrie Hallam
Its fun how some old lady from like 9 yrs ago is still crying over how she shipped us a sick cat, that is still trying to harass us lol and made a bunch of fake accounts in my name complaining about her friends catteries to pretend it is us and then tries apologizing in my name as well LOL seriously you mentally stunted &^%$ get over it you suck your a bad breeder and someone caught you . now she is writing stuff on fb ..like really after 9 yrs your still thinking of us, awe how sweet .. still the little old stalker. sigh.. people ..http://www.sphynx.ca/ grow up susan monteleone smile emoticon"
Time to come clean. My name is Carrie Hallam and I go under the name Carrie Dorey. I have a cattery called Nudeattude Sphynx. I also posted as Emma Nite, Sphynx1 and annonymous751. I was angry at many catteries and when I saw the Crabtree woman's posts I decided ti was a good time to discredit some breeders. I was angry and Susan Capelli from Snowbalds in Saskatchewan because she told everyone that I don't scan my cats. Thinks went from bad to worse. Then I started trashing other breeders. I had brain surgery so I haven't been completely responsible for my actions. So I want to apologize for all the lies have been posting all over the web site. I am taking a break from breeding right now, things haven't been going well for me. And well, you know...Karma. So I am sorry to Snowbalds, Wizardgate, Crisoncatsrose, . But I guess with all this nonsense going on, an educated person can see its trash talk anyway. Please forgive me everyone.
Isn't Carrie Hallem going under Valhalla SPhynx. She did this because she sold a whole cat to someone without the permission of the breeder who I think was Diane Hoover. That was why she was threatened to be sued. So then she got all bent out of shape and started trashing other breeders and especially Diane and her friend Susan. All breeders out there should be aware that if they ever send her a cat, she will sell it whole. She also tried to sell it under a different name, used someone elses name and put it on Hoobly. But the person who got the cat contacted the breeder and told them what she had done. So Carrie Hallum who is pretending to be Sma Van has a lot to hide.
If this is true why are your affiliates (or you) hacking me and making false claims against these breeders using me name? and i know this because i spoke with wizardgate and he mentioned diane hoover.. So because i made one complain about you years ago your screwing with me now .. what kind of sick person does this? and even goes the extra step and hacks me, my account and my computer... what the heck is wrong with you people.. ? This is now in the hands of the police and laywers as i dont appreciate this disgusting behaviour and hacking someone and illegally using there name making false accusations against others is against the law..
I am Susan Monteleone. Please be advised that I have not engaged in any comments about other breeders. These complaints are fraudulent and some are being made about friends of mine. In particular, Beeblebrox and I are friends and she is one of the most reputable breeders around today. While this issue is under investigation, please feel free to call [protected]. I will not play the "he said, she said" game. People who know me will also know that I don't spread rumors and I don't engage in childish internet games.
Im the realcarrie and i think my breeding sucks dong. hope its a big one
susan malone.. stop using my name to complain about other catteries..
Question to Dez, why are you using the woman's name that you sold sick cats to, to say something nice about you and then use her name to say bad things about all these other breeders? Pretty sure its against the law to inpersonate someone else, specially to to say bad things about other breeders/catteries. none of these other people have ever had any dealings with "carrie hallam" she has only bought sphynx from you and the poor dear was ripped off with terribly sick cats..these catteries your complaining about im sure have paper work and contracts with the people whom have bought any of their kittens/cats and that alone would prove they have no idea who "carrie hallam" is so why are you making up stories about other catteries ? Is it because you are sad and pathetic? is it because you can have the woman parts to make the complain yourself? Is it because "carrie hallam" displeased you buy complain when you were being a bad breeder but you didnt like being called out on it? Lets be grown up and face up that our just plain childish and using other peoples names to complain about catteries they have never heard of and never had dealings with .. just makes you look like a very dumb child.. and to think your supose to be educated.. what a joke.
I have two cats with him right now Maggie. Are you going to slam me too. You really are a wicked woman
Many breeders are battling this disease right now. All we can do is scan and try to get rid of this disease. People like Maggie Crabtree need to understand that the disease is not from bad breeding but just something that is part of sphynxlady cats right now. The fact that Susan was going to replace the cat ven though she didn't sell it to you says something. It has to be a kinder gentler world if we are to work together for this.
Question to susan of senza capelli, why are you using the woman's name that you sold sick cats to, to say something nice about you and then use her name to say bad things about all these other breeders? Pretty sure its against the law to inpersonate someone else, specially to to say bad things about other breeders/catteries. none of these other people have ever had any dealings with "carrie hallam" she has only bought sphynx from you and the poor dear was ripped off with terribly sick cats..these catteries your complaining about im sure have paper work and contracts with the people whom have bought any of their kittens/cats and that alone would prove they have no idea who "carrie hallam" is so why are you making up stories about other catteries ? Is it because you are sad and pathetic? is it because you can have the woman parts to make the complain yourself? Is it because "carrie hallam" displeased you buy complain when you were being a bad breeder but you didnt like being called out on it? Lets be grown up and face up that our just plain childish and using other peoples names to complain about catteries they have never heard of and never had dealings with .. just makes you look like a very dumb child.. and to think your supose to be educated.. what a joke.. ps. why are you using someone elses pic on your profile page and a different city? lol
ps. (susan) don't message me about maggie crabtree i don't know who she is... but i know you... so get lost go live your sad little life whether its selling sick or healthy cats i do not care but don't use other peoples names to complain about other catteries..
lol what a oke
Im the real susan and i think my breeding sucks dong.
I like how susan uses the peoples names that had issues with her ### breeding to go write bad reviews about catteries she hates and then to type nice reviews to her self on her complains LOL nice job susan you ###ing nut job.
Apparently all these posts are bogus and being sent all over to other breeders, including myself as I own Wizardgate
This is the official finding from CFA in respect to this complaint.
http://ca-catbreeders.info/archives7_2011.html
ANSWERS TO SENT IN INQUIRIES:
7/29/11 - Dear Susan M, I did do some checking and you are correct you were not the breeder of Crimson Rose Cattery in that complaint. We are very sorry for this unconvenience that this may have caused you, and made the necessary corrections immediately.
But you can understand that you seem to be tied in with this cattery Crimson Rose Cattery
[suspicious blog] So that was the reason why your name was put with that complaint.
Perhaps your cattery and Crimson Rose Cattery should not be posted on the same blog because that would be very suspicious & the main reason your name was listed. It appears to point that your cattery and Crimson Rose Cattery are doing business together.
But nevertheless, regardless of that [suspicious blog] all corrections have been made and again CACB.INFO apologize's for this error.
she also will pretend to be you if you leave a bad review LOL. she will be like
this is bogus im the real *name here* this review is a fake
LOLOL susan is strange !
you're not the only one that has been threatened to be sued lol. there is many others that contacted susan or left a bad review after buying a sick cat, then susan will threaten to sue you LOL. susan is not all there in the head. i got a sick cat from her the end of 2011. also had ringworm as well as. she said she was going to sue me lol she should be apologizing for her bad breeding. what about if we all turned around and sued her? there would be a lot of lawsuits because susan has sent out a lot of sick kittens. the bad reviews keep piling up. i think she might be breeding from sick cats then the litters are sick too. instead of bettering the bloodline. she keeps popping them out. when she threatens to sue you. tell her to shut up, she promise a health guarantee on her contract. whether the cat was "healthy" before it left her house, doesn't matter when she promises you a health guarantee on her contract. stupid ###. just tell her you'll sue her. because you could if you wanted ! could you imagine her in court? "i'm suing because i sent this person a sick cat and they emailed me or left a bad review." LOLOLOLOLOL. it's a shame someone so stupid and cruel is sending sick cats to everyone. terrible breeder.
Ok, so my name is not emma nite it is Carrie Hallum. Oh well ### happens
I had bought 2 kittens from susan and it was a complete nightmare .. both had ring worm, Tritrichomonas and one of the cats had actually been shaved.. ohh and i had bought from susan yet neither cat was the one we had picked or from her cattery yet she took our money and sent us someone elses kittens? thats not a very good breeder... when i asked susan about this she threatended a lawsuit instead of appologizing lol
omg me too! i got a sick cat. i dont know who diane hoover is or crimson rose. i got a cat from susan. there is so many people that got sick cats from susan. just because she has been in the sphynx community for a long time, doesn't mean she knows what she is doing. sarah its good she got you eye drops, although you shouldnt be getting a cat with eye problems. has everyone read susans page? "from time to time you will see a sick kitten"
i asked sphynx breeders if time to time you get a sick kitten, they said yes but you should never sell it or breed from it. a good breeder will keep the bloodline strong and healthy. im with the above comment, terrible terrible breeders!
To the writer of this complain I understand your pain completly as i was screwed by susan 2 times with 2 cats... I wont post the issues i had and what i really think about susan and diane hoover but all i can say is TERRIBLE TERRIBLE breeders.. I do not give a crap how long either has been in the sphynx breeding world, You do not send sick sick kittens out to potential buyers ever, I also dont care how many people stand by her side i went through hell buying kittens through susan and getting crap sick as hell cats.
To whom it may concern,
My name is Mark, I am Rose Marie Zizzo's cousin.
I feel the need to explain to everyone who has posted comments
blogs and words of hate about my cousin the reason she is the way
she is and to warn innocent people of potential misery.
Rose Marie was always a troubled child but trouble turned to
tragedy when she was 11 years old Rosemarie had always exhibited
signs of mental instability however when she was 11 years old, we
were just kids and my cousin, who had always been obsessed with
cat's, ruthlessly poured gasoline on the neighbor's cat, then lit
it with a lighter she stole from my mother, I ran screaming to my
mother Rosemarie stood and watched with fascination.
My mother quickly called 911 but it took them over 24 minutes to
get to our home and sadly it was too late for the little kitten, it
was at that time my cousin was taken from our home and placed in a
mental facility. She lived out the next several years there and
was stabilized on medication for her Schizophrenia disorder, she
appeared to be fine when they released here but then she began to
collect cats in her trailer until one day a someone reported her to
the authorities for having over 75 cats in her trailer many of
which were severely sick and deprived of human compassion.
As the investigation continued multiple cat bodies were found
stored in her freezer, it was at this time that our family
discovered that Rose Marie had stopped taking her medication, she
was once again hospitalized for week in 1/2 and released. Having
all of her cats taken from her she turned her mentally deranged
mind to the Internet where she began a marathon of stalking cat
breeders building what appeared to be cat breeder consumer sites.
Because of her ongoing harassment and defamation of reputable
breeders, tons of breeders began to complain about Rose Marie to
CFA, they banned her from ever registering cats.
She was now banned from the world's largest cat breeding registry
and all of her cats she once owned were taken from her. One would
have thought this would have been the end of her brutal online
attacks against pedigreed cat breeders, it would have been in a
sound and stable humans mind but that was not the case with Rose
Marie Zizzo. Going on and off of her medication made her medical
condition even worse. She had become fixated on a woman known as
Melanie Lowery. Melanie was a cat breeder who had sold her a cat,
my cousin began to post comments that the cat was ill and Melanie
was evil, after enduring two years of vicious attacks from Rose
Marie Melanie had finally had enough and filed a lawsuit she won
this lawsuit in the amount of $7500, my cousin was found guilty of
Internet cyber bulling and wrongful defamation of character our
family had to scrape together the money to pay Melanie for my
cousin's wrongful actions.
This slap on the hand did not faze my sister, she continued to
widen her selection of cat breeders primarily consisting of Persian
and Himalayan cat breeders then quickly turned on all other
pedigree cat breeders. At this point Rose Marie had been kicked
out of CFA, lost a lawsuit, had a judgment against her to silence
her online attacks and all of her cats were taken from her, these
events continued to deteriorate her mental illness, as our family
we did not know what to do for psychological disorder which
escalated around the world via the Internet so we began to distance
ourselves from her and remind her we would not be here to bail her
out financially again.
Her family support network had been exhausted by her controversial
behavior and outburst which occurred on a day to day basis, her
irritable moods could be triggered from a certain food, too little
or not enough sleep. The one thing we began to notice was how the
simple glance at even a feral cat launched her into another online
tirade and violent declamation. Her wild words pushed cat breeders
to form an alliance against her, while some fought back others
ignored her demagogue, vehement ways. To this day Rose Marie
continues to build multiple complaint sites in which she uses to
feed her perplexed and delusion state of mind.
These web sites are as dangerous as she is, with no family no cats
and no friends only a computer she learned the dangerous skill of
installing malicious spyware and tracking malware on her sights to
see how many people were reading her disoriented post about cat
breeders.
The hazardous malware installed onto anyone's computer who dared to visit Rose Marie's complaint sites fell victim.
This became her new obsession. When people visited her site for any length of time her
websites installed invisible history tracking spyware, this
software enabled Rosemarie to track the future Internet surfing
history of people who visited her site, using this spyware she was
able to watch people go into their online banking and credit card
statements.
Unsuspecting cat breeders and everyday citizens reading her rants
fell victim to her watch full eye. Rose Marie was able to see the
login information and passwords breeders used to advertise their
cats for sale online. Breeders could not understand how personal
information stored only in their email boxes was being displayed on
Rosemary's websites. As Rose Marie read through the emails of any
and all who visited her web sites she posted personal information
such as income tax documents for the world to see, by this time
Rose Marie was no longer only targeting cat breeders, everyone was
a victim who was seeking phony complaints stored on her deceitful
websites. We as her family knew to never visit any of her sites
because she WILL obtain personal documents and private information
and post them on her website in hopes of getting a reaction from
anyone.
Rose Marie has hundreds of complaint sites with various looks and
feels to them.
The only safe, accurate and authoritative consumer review sites are
www.consumerreports.org
The Attorney General's Office (Per state)
The FBI has now been notified of her illegal online treacherous
behavior. Under no conditions should anyone be so drama driven
that they feel the need to visit one of her many websites, doing so
WILL compromise your computer and financial records to this
seriously ill mind. As ashamed as we are of the fact that Rose
Marie continues to fail taking her medication I feel that the
obligation to intervene in hopes of saving another family from
suffering distress and torment by my cousin's ruthless actions.
I do hope this glimpse into the personal side of Rose Marie Zizzo
will help to explain the torment and torture to all who take
admonish.
Earnestly,
Mark Zizzo
Maggie,
I know exactly where you are coming from. I purhcased a kitten from a breeder that claimed their cattery is HCM free. Well my precious baby has tested positive for HCM and shes not even two years old. I emailed the breeder and she basically gave me the same attitude that your breeder has given you. I only wanted her to make sure that the parents were altered and no longer part of her breeding program. Her reply was almost a replica of the reply you got. From my point of view, I thought, why should a person get so defensive and rude if they honestly didnt know about the line carrying the disease. We are the victims here. My breeder supposedly had the great grand father scanned after I notified her. Well, wouldnt you know he tested positive at 7 years old. For my cat to be almost 2 years old and to have a great grand father that is 7, makes you wonder how many litters these "reputable" breeders have out there that they claim are hcm "free". I seriously doubt that my cat was the first kitten to present this disease out of 3 generations of kittens.
I am so very sorry to read that your kitten was diagnosed with Tritrichomonas (TTF) and later with HCM.
As a breeder myself, I cannot emphasize enough how important it is for a buyer to screen the cattery they are purchasing from. The cattery should be TTF Negative. And all breeding cats should be screened yearly for HCM.
Mara Summers
Dazzledots Bengals
www.dazzledots.com
TF is the parasite from hell. I, too, purchased a kitten from a "reputable" breeder, who refuses to take any responsibility. The breeder organizations require the complainant to PAY for any complaints they file! No wonder all these breeders are in an approved standing! I feel for this lady. Take her word for it and don't purchase from this breeder or any other who does not guarantee your money refunded if you cat tests negative for this parasite. Of course she wants to keep the kitten. Once you get emotionally attached, you don't want to send it back to where it came from. Put these breeders out of business and do your homework first. I sure wish I had.
Who is Ms Accetta?
You spoke to me, Susan, however only after your cat got sick. Up until then I had never heard of you. I told you I would not give you the names of the people who had the parents and the other kitten. They did not want to hear from you. They simply told me their cats were happy and healthy.
My scans would be of no use to you because they were clear, I explained that too. And nicely might I add. And so Maggie, in closing, if I can ever be of any help to you, please let me know. I really wish I could predict to the future health of kittens, but I cannot. I wish you the best in your life, life is very short so might I say in closing "try to be loving and kind, not vengeful and spiteful in your life".
Sphynx1, obviously you aren't very intelligent with respect to that comment. A cat is a living animal, we have no control over whether the cat gets sick. What we can do as responsible breeders is stand behind our contract and offer replacement kittens. My contract covers one year for any congenital defects and yet I will still replace this cat at any time in the future. We don't purposely breed sick animals, its just a fact of life. Do humans purposely breed sick children? No, they don't but things happen with living beings. In 18 years of breeding this is my first case of HCM and it has been dealt with. Both parents are no longer breeding cats, but both are well and living in nice homes. And the other remaining kitten is still well and has no heart issues. Unfortunately, Mrs Crabtree got a kitten with a heart defect, but my offer of replacement still stands even after she has embarassed herself with all of this.
Sorry for all your going through with your dealings with multiple breeders which you probally had no clue you were dealing with more than one in the first place.
I honestly belive they screwed you, they are a group of breeders out too screw people with there infected and /or sick cats. its funny how they all get on here trying to make you seem like the bad guy but dont worry us intelligent people out there see right through there act..! what you breeders have done to this woman is terrible and your breeding this poor ill kitten is very bad practice.. you should give up breeding!
I dont' understand why one person's name is on the contract if another person sold the kittens.
You should always check references before purchasing an animal and if possible, you should physically check out the breeder's place.
Hope your cat will be ok. Sorry you're stuck with a bill but that's what happens when we taken animals into our homes sometimes.
Goodluck.
I would like to post a comment in support of Susan. I might start by saying that neither adult cat in this case was of Susan's breeding, but the kitten had her name on it so now she is getting attacked by a woman who is very misinformed.
Tritrichomonas foetus infection in cats.
Infection is most commonly seen in colonies of cats and multicat households, where the organism is presumably spread between cats by close and direct contact. There has been no evidence of spread from other species, or spread via food or water. In one study, 31% of cats at a cat show in the USA were identified as being infected with this organism, suggesting that this may be an important, common, and previously unrecognized cause of diarrhea in cats.
"READ THIS, PEOPLE, 31% - DOES THAT SOUND UNCOMMON TO YOU"
Prognosis
Current information suggests the long-term prognosis for infected cats is good, and that they will eventually overcome the infection. However, this is a slow process – in one study of infected cats, resolution of the diarrhoea took an average of nine months, with occasional cats having diarrhoea persisting for more than two years, and rarely for life. It appears that most infected cats continue to shed low levels of the organism in their faeces for many months after the resolution of the diarrhoea.
"READ THIS, PEOPLE, THEY WILL EVENTUALLY OVERCOME THE INFECTION WITH NO TREATMENT"
http://www.fabcats.org/breeders/infosheets/tritrichomonas.html
At some point in time, we all meet a kitten buyer from Hell. Susan, you are a fair and just lady, professional in every way, and your offer of a kitten at any time without question is generous and more than fair.
If you need any further professional advice, please just ask me.
Dear Maggie Crabtree,
I've known and worked with Susan of Sensa Capelli for about 18 years. We are friends apart from the fact that we've worked together as cat breeders. I admire Susan for her integrity and loyalty. Few breeders who raise cats in their homes have such nice clean environments for their cats and kittens. The house is gorgeous. There is no over-crowding and the cats and kittens get the best Veterinary care. In the community of Sphynx cat breeders, Sensa Capelli Cattery, has an excellent reputation and other breeders are keen to have one of Susan's cats to add to their breeding programs.
We aren't trading postage stamps. Breeding cats is a hobby. However, it is a hobby of producing and placing live animals. The best cat breeder is unable to predict a congenital or genetic problem just as human babies can be born with heart disease or deformities. Postage stamps don't get sick.
It's a shame that your kitten had T. Foetus and as I understand it, the kitten was born and raised at Dianne Hoover's Crimson Rose Cattery. Dianne Hoover was the one who worked with you during the Trichamonas treatment. All of your correspondence has been with Dianne and you paid Dianne for the kitten. So, because the name Sensa Capelli shows up on your kitten's registration papers, you now decide to go after Susan who has had no dealings with you until you decide to go after money. Makes no sense to me. As for your claim that your cat has genetic heart disease, your ultrasound diagnosis states that the heart has Fibrosis as a complication and that the Fibrosis has caused enlargement of a ventricle and poor systolic function (blood pressure). So it's the chicken or the egg as to what came first, HCM or Fibrosis. This is surely not a case of simple genetic Hypertropic Cardiomyopathy. Added to the fact that both parents of your cats are alive and well (the mother is 11) and (the sire is 9) and one parent of an affected cat must be HCM positive, I have my doubts that it's genetic. There are other reasons for a cat's heart to have thickening of the heart wall but all hearts with this symptom are called Cardiomyopathy no matter what the cause.
Maggie, it's very generous of Susan to offer you one of her kittens as a replacement when she didn't even sell you the cat and by contract, she owes you nothing.
L. Thomas / Shaineh Cattery
Dear Maggie Crabtree,
I've known and worked with Susan of Sensa Capelli for about 18 years. We are friends apart from the fact that we've worked together as cat breeders. I admire Susan for her integrity and loyalty. Few breeders who raise cats in their homes have such nice clean environments for their cats and kittens. The house is gorgeous. There is no over-crowding and the cats and kittens get the best Veterinary care. In the community of Sphynx cat breeders, Sensa Capelli Cattery, has an excellent reputation and other breeders are keen to have one of Susan's cats to add to their breeding programs.
We aren't trading postage stamps. Breeding cats is a hobby. However, it is a hobby of producing and placing live animals. The best cat breeder is unable to predict a congenital or genetic problem just as human babies can be born with heart disease or deformities. Postage stamps don't get sick.
It's a shame that your kitten had T. Foetus and as I understand it, the kitten was born and raised at Dianne Hoover's Crimson Rose Cattery. Dianne Hoover was the one who worked with you during the Trichamonas treatment. All of your correspondence has been with Dianne and you paid Dianne for the kitten. So, because the name Sensa Capelli shows up on your kitten's registration papers, you now decide to go after Susan who has had no dealings with you until you decide to go after money. Makes no sense to me. As for your claim that your cat has genetic heart disease, your ultrasound diagnosis states that the heart has Fibrosis as a complication and that the Fibrosis has caused enlargement of a ventricle and poor systolic function (blood pressure). So it's the chicken or the egg as to what came first, HCM or Fibrosis. This is surely not a case of simple genetic Hypertropic Cardiomyopathy. Added to the fact that both parents of your cats are alive and well (the mother is 11) and (the sire is 9) and one parent of an affected cat must be HCM positive, I have my doubts that it's genetic. There are other reasons for a cat's heart to have thickening of the heart wall but all hearts with this symptom are called Cardiomyopathy no matter what the cause.
Maggie, it's very generous of Susan to offer you one of her kittens as a replacement when she didn't even sell you the cat and by contract, she owes you nothing.
L. Thomas / Shaineh Cattery
I am the breeder of this cat. I won't comment on the liability of this post since it is now in my husband's hands to deal with. However, I will post my reply to Maggie Crabtree regarding the HCM. Since she seems to think I don't know my genetics nor does she know my background, as much as I don't want to embarass her, I will respond with a copy of what I sent to her.
"Let me be a little more specific, Maggie Crabtree. Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is a disease of the myocardium in which the myocardium thickens without cause. A cardiomyopathy is a primary disease that affects the muscle of the heart. With hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM), the sarcomeres (contractile elements) in the heart replicate causing heart muscle cells to increase in size and so the heart muscle to thicken. In addition, the normal alignment of muscle cells is disrupted, a phenomenon known as myocardial disray. HCM also causes disruptions of the electrical functions of the heart. HCM is most commonly due to a mutation in one of 9 sarcomeric genes that results in a mutated protein in the sarcomere, the primary component of the myocite (the muscle cell of the heart). I felines, HCM is genetically passed from the parents. However, both parents can scan totally clear and a kitten will appear with the disease. The parents can go on to lead a perfectly normal life and never had any issues related to HCM. Should HCM occur in a line of cats, the adult cats and anything from their offspring should be spayed/neutered. The occurence of HCM is 2% - 5%. MY ADULT CATS HAVE BEEN SPAYED AND NEUTERED, THERE ARE NO BREEDING OFFSPRING. Never did I say it cropped up for NO REASON. I said it cropped up in your kitten. Please feel free to investigate my breeding practices and my clinic along with my holistic practice. I am impeccable with my cats and my practice. My offer of a replacement kitten will stand as that is what is in my contract. My contract clearly states that " if a kitten of mine dies from a congenital illness before one year of age, it will be replaced with a kitten of equal value. No cash refunds." I stand behind my kittens and will stand behind your kitten regardless of the fact that he is more than a year of age. Maggie you choose to argue, you choose to make threats and in general all you can do is point fingers. It really didn't have to go this way, you know. I would suggest in the future when you have an issue with something, you pick up the phone and talk about it instead of making continual accusations and crying "poor me". And yes, I do agree that what comes around goes around. I have a clear conscience. You on the other hand my dear, seem to have nothing but hatred and vengeance.
I think any sensible, intelligent individual will see through all of this and know that in a living animal, this horrible disease can rear its ugly head. We as breeders can only alter the breeding cats and hope that the lines that carry this disease will end. I welcome anyone who has questions regarding this issue to contact me.
I am a breeder and I have worked with Susan. I do not know Dianne well but if Susan works with her I have to trust her. Susan has been doing this longer than all of us in Canada. She stands behind her cats and she goes to bat for other breeders who need help. She has also written papers on HCM so I think you might be mistaken when you say "it crops up". In any fact, I called Susan last night and was informed that the parents of your kitten have both been fixed and are no longer breeding. I was also told that any cats from that line have been fixed and there are no breeding cats from either parent. She also told me that she stated that to you and told you that both parents had scanned free and were both living happy healthy lives. She also said that her offer of a replacement kitten stood and that is would remain an option for you should anything ever happen to your cat. It seems to me, you are JUST LOOKING FOR MONEY. As a breeder of national winning cats and kittens, I would do exactly what Susan is doing and offer you a replacement. That is the general rule in the breeding community.
I also purchased a kitten from Susan. My kitten had an eye issue when it arrived but Susan was very helpful through the entire ordeal and sent me out some eye drops. Since then I have had had no issues with my kitten and I have gone on to get another kitten from her. I would think if you speak to her, she might replace your kitten. She has always been very upstanding and is admired in the sphynx community.