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Spring Forest Qigong (SFQ) in Eden Prairie, MN, is very highly rated and seems to help everyone with their physical and spiritual well-being. That makes it even harder for me to understand their treatment of me.

I started learning the Qigong exercises in June of 2008, and as the lessons came with a discount on getting a “healing, " and because of my physical problems, I decided to try one even though it was very expensive (I live on Social Security) $70 with the discount, later, $85. Master Lin told me I would need 7 healing sessions.

I asked about financial aid but was only told about the discount that came with the lessons - which would basically double the cost. I had 5 sessions and was not only going into debt, but getting worse physically. I got more insistent about financial help - I could not see why the sessions were so expensive as they were only about half an hour long and involved no expensive equipment.

I was referred to one of the healers in training, Darcie Grim, who informed me that the healing were completely unnecessary, that all I had to do was keep doing the exercises (which I was already doing faithfully). Needless to say, I was pretty upset to be told this after Master Lin told me I needed 7 sessions, but I continued doing the exercises - and continued to get worse.

After a month, I called to talk to Darcie, but she would not talk to me, and May, the administrator just snapped at me, “There's no guarantee! If the exercises don't help, stop doing them!" I was beyond stunned, as the message one gets from Master Lin's book and his talks is that everyone benefits and helping others is the purpose of his work.

I then wrote Master Lin asking for an explanation of this attitude and behavior. I never got a response. A few months later I wrote the person who runs the SFQ Guild. He was very surprised by my story and said he would ask about it. He never got a response either.

I can understand that the exercises might not help everybody, though that is certainly not the message given. What I CAN'T understand is that Master Lin didn't have the courtesy, the decency, the concern, the responsiveness to reply to me, particularly in light of the kind of person he purports to be.

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M3CU2
Azusa, US
Jul 20, 2023 7:18 pm EDT

It is up to the people to help themselves. He is guiding but you are taking the path. That isn’t a hard concept or vision to grasp. You have anger. Deal with that first. Anger comes from loneliness, guilt, shame, in which case I am not saying you deserve. I am saying acknowledge where it is you are. SFQ works but, we are all at different stages. Seems so SFQ would be your next step not your present step. I can feel you have resonated with being unheard & unseen. But, you can see & hear yourself, if you listen & this matters too. Blessings.

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Lisa Winston
, US
Jan 11, 2023 8:50 pm EST

I’ve taken classes. worked with Master Lin and have been practicing SFQ for over 25 years. My practice of SFQ deepened my spiritual walk, and continues to bring me peace and healing. It’s been miraculous for me. I had major heart problems back in 2011 and doing the active exercises healed my heart so much so that I didn’t need any medical assistance. I did many phone sessions with Master Lin and they helped although I have to say that my own practice helped more. I have Lyme disease now and practicing for 30 minutes daily takes away pain and brings me peace. I’ll never live life without it. I even used it to help my dad while he was dying. When we’re desperate we often want a magic pill. Qigong isn’t a one-time thing or easy fix. It’s a practice that aligns your energy and balances your body over time. It also brings peace of mind. Master Lin is one of the most integrous people I know. He has helped more than thousands. What it comes down to us this…each of us is responsible for our own healing. We each have to make decisions and live with the consequences. When we blame others and cause trouble, we energetically attract like things into our lives. Master Lin’s courses, products and services are far from the most expensive out there. He also offers many videos on techniques that you can do for free. He has 7 day challenges that are free. He also gets to make a living. So I’m sorry, whining and blaming doesn’t cut it. If you weren’t “feeling” it, you should have followed your gut and stopped.

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TT Fresh
Durham, US
May 22, 2023 1:35 pm EDT

This is an unhelpful and uncompassionate response. I think the legitimate issue of not getting responses should be spoken to. I am interested in SFQ and that type of behavior would give me pause. Now, it does seem like this customer was intent on being an incredibly squeaky wheel and I would bet anything that there is another side to the story. But bashing someone is no way to handle an issue when it arrises.

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Lisa Winston
, US
May 22, 2023 9:44 pm EDT
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Really? My response was far from an unhelpful or uncompassionate. Did you bypass the entire message? I talked about how much SFQ has helped me over the years. And I wrote only two sentences to address the bashing! Truly, if someone doesn’t like it, no one is forcing them to do it. It’s also inappropriate to blame someone who has given so much. The amount of people Master Lin has helped over the years is staggering. It would definitely be worth your time to explore it.

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talent.2ca297
Flagstaff, US
Apr 10, 2022 8:20 am EDT

I don't know what happened with your situation and SFQ, but I have found that if the cost of a healer or workshop is prohibitive in cost or doesn't feel great during the purchase process, then it is not the right one for me.

I have had workshop leaders say, "Take the leap with the money (a credit card) and it will come back to you", and then they tell a story about someone who "made the leap" and the money came back within a week or so in an unexpected way.

This sales pitch has worked on me and the money has not returned and this led to a lot of stress during my 20s when I was really into taking workshops.

That's a nice story of money coming back but not a fair way to market services, because there is tension involved in making that financial strain and the return doesn't happen to everyone. And then what?

Generally, if you are confronted with a choice of whether to do a healing or program or not and the choice to do it causes discomfort from a financial point of view (or any point of view), mentally make the decision as a "hard NO" and you will see the necessary healing come to you in a way that you can afford that is much more satisfying in the purchasing and process than the first option.

My dog was sick and the doctors wanted to do $10k of tests on him and would have put him through way too much physically and emotionally. It was a hard NO for us. Shortly after, I discovered some tea and an ointment that felt right and cost about $100 total. We tried it out and cleared whatever it was he had in 3 weeks.

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thestars77
, US
Nov 29, 2021 10:48 am EST
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First, Master Lin has to make money to survive. I find his fees reasonable as compared to those new age galactic counselors that charges like 130-140.00 to 2000.00? If you want serious healing, you need to work off your a** everyday in order to transmute the dis-ease that was embedded in your dna for some reason that was caused by your ancestral lineages. If you are broke and trying to get a cheap rate from his sessions, that's unreasonable or expect free healing. You probably wore out their patience that caused them to give you a negative reaction. He owes you nothing to treat you. I personally know of a healer that has healed people that never asked of him or expect him to, they took him for granted and never bothered giving him feedback. Btw, he does it for free and for anyone, that asks him to do it, he'd do it. Lately he had a change of heart and will only treat people who he thinks deserves healing.

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Bjarne Smith
, US
Aug 07, 2020 9:29 pm EDT

I had to think about your post for a while. A number of points. Does radiation treatment cure all cancers? No. But it does cure some. Does that mean a radiologist is a fraud if his wife gets cancer but she dies anyway? There are many types of cancers and causes of cancer. Some are very aggressive. You do not know what type of cancer she had. She apparently fought this cancer for a while. Maybe she showed improvement, but it can back, and she finally lost the battle. In TCM thought, chi blockages are the cause of all illness. But is that really realistic? Sure, unblocking energy flow will help with many things, but the truth is, just like an acupuncture treatment, it will not cure everything. Also, maybe without Master Lin's help she may have died years earlier. I don't know, and neither do you.

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Maggie Hughes
, GB
Oct 13, 2019 7:23 am EDT

I purchased the (green) Spring Forest Qigong for health system many years ago. It looks as if the exact package is still being sold. However, I no longer have access to a video player and I am wondering whether it is possible to buy a DVD that has the same content as the video. (Naturally, I do not wish to purchase the whole pack again).

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Liberty Chick
, US
Sep 05, 2016 2:02 pm EDT

I tried QiGong with one group and felt nothing. Their grand master told me I needed 10 healings at $200/ea. I asked "at the end of the $2000 what will be different?" He couldn't answer me. I then took training with another man who was WONDERFUL! He said something very critical: if your instructor doesn't have Qi you won't. I know that is so as I was amazed how much Qi I had after my first lesson with him. For those seeking to learn Qi Gong do it in person with a tried and true trainer. I went to Dr. Sun in Seattle, WA. If I still lived near him I'd probably never seek out another instructor: http://www.iqim.org/yi-ren-qigong/

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Sally Jane
, US
Jun 11, 2016 12:55 am EDT

I'm very familiar with this company and many current and former staff members. After observing the community of participants and students for many years, and having some involvement with the teachings, I do believe that this is a destructive cult. Master Lin is rich due to his entrepreneurial spirit. He came to the U.S. and declared himself a master, and a lot of people believed it.

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kdlif65
, US
Mar 30, 2016 12:06 pm EDT
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wake up ppl !

another SELF APPOINTED " MASTER " with NO checkable credentials ...NO names of supposed masters he trained with ...

ALL FAKE MASTERS come to the US ...WHY ?! ...because there are rich pickings from gullible westerners who have NEVER studied with a REAL MASTERS living in ASIA ...

IN the US they can trick ppl ... they would never dare to walk around CHINA and say they are masters infront of REAL MASTERS ...
they would be laughed at / scorned or ALOT WORSE from VERY OLD MASTERS with CHECKABLE credentials ...

Go to Shanghai, the Psch Hosps are FULL OF QIGONG MASTERS ...

CLEVER TRICK BY Chunyilin ( whatever ) to say he KNOWS the effects of saying GaunYin mantra and XIN JING ...
SAME SAME ...don t say it OUTSIDE the US or to anybody with checkable credentials IN ASIA ...u will look very stupid ...
fake cult leaders are VERY CAREFUL where to make their fake assertions ...they know where NOT TO try their BS ...

They NEVER have PROOF of the masters they trained with in China ...WHY ?! ...THEY HAVE NONE !

There are REAL Tai Chi / Chikung Masters out there ..WITH CHECKABLE CREDENTIALS / MASTERS THEY TRAINED WITH...
ONLY gullible stupid ppl believe in a CON MAN ...WITH no checkable credentials ...
and as usual ...when they cannot fulfill their BS claims what do they do !? ...BLAME THE PATIENT ...

PLEASE PUT A FULL LONG LIST OF THE CANCER PATIENTS YOU HAVE HEALED " MASTER " ...AND THE MASTERS U TRAINED WITH IN CHINA ...

MY CHINESE FRIENDS IN BEIJING CHINA CAN CHECK ALL OF YOUR CLAIMS ...ALL OF THEM ...

OH MY GOSH ! SILENCE FROM THE SELF APPOINTED QIGONG MASTER ...

Distance healing ?! ...Go to JAPAN LIKE ME and ask JAPANESE REIKI MASTERS if it is a big deal ...they will say it is just a technique with no spiritual requirements to be able to do it .

PEACE / TRUTH from a westerner who lived / studied in Asia for TEN YEARS ...

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Alina Novak
, US
Jun 16, 2017 12:03 am EDT
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Hi,
How does someone find the real masters?
Thank you

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Carla Winter
, US
Jan 13, 2022 8:13 pm EST

The real master is the Master Within. Peace & Love, Amato

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demetri007
, US
Nov 19, 2015 4:12 pm EST

SFQ and Master Chunyi Lin have boasted over and over again about their ability to COMPLETELY HEAL people with cancers and tumors. Simply visualizing tumors and cancers to shrink and be "completely healed" will allow the "blockages" to undo and complete healing can come from this.

Fact is, Master Chunyi Lin's wife passed away from cancer. If the Internationally Recognized Qigong Master cannot heal his own wife, how can he heal you? Many will view this as a low blow, but these are simple facts. Don't believe me, look it up before they tear it down.

https://www.facebook.com/SpringForestQigong/posts/10152365825211953

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Carla Winter
, US
Jan 13, 2022 8:29 pm EST
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We all die of something. The lack of compassion for Chunyi Lin's tragic loss is sad for me. This is not magic. When it's your time, it's your time. When we have our ultimate body release, our soul is freed. This is a difficult and transient plane, and clear Qi is, at least for myself, feels good and enhances my sense and pleasure of aliveness. And, with due respect to all the other viewpoints, and belief & value systems. I'm sending her loving light on her ascension, and Chunyi Lin, a cloak of caring protection and space for his grief, for the loss of his beloved mate.

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demetri007
, US
Nov 19, 2015 3:58 pm EST

Hello my dear friends!
As many of you may already know, my beloved wife, Fang, crossed over into the next circle of life at the end of May. Her long struggle with cancer finally over.
I was with her when she made her transition and she was in a place of peace and love in her heart and ready to make the transition.
The services we held were private with just family and a few, close friends, as Fang wanted it to be.
In my meditations, I have had the joy of communicating with Fang on the other side several times now since she crossed over. She is so filled with joy and love and, as she pointed out to me several times, she is very busy. Fang always loves being busy.
Fang will always be in my heart and I know we will be together again one day.
So many of you have reached out to me and our children with your love, your kind words and your continuing support. We thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts. Love, Chunyi

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demetri007
, US
Nov 19, 2015 3:56 pm EST

I'm sure that this post will be removed from his FaceBook page immediately after they see this.

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demetri007
, US
Nov 19, 2015 3:53 pm EST

SFQ is a cult and Master Chunyi Lin, the cult leader...claims to be able to provide "completely healed" qigong healing sessions with NO knowledge of anatomy or the human body, NO medical education whatsoever, however he can charge over $100 per 30 minutes. For some reason, LOVE and BLIND FAITH in the Master, and the universal energy through him (AND ONLY through him) can you attain COMPLETE HEALING.

There is much evidence of exercises such as Tai Chi, Qigong, Yoga, etc. being able to reduce chronic pain BUT there is NO EVIDENCE of these exercises shrinking CANCEROUS TUMORS.

Many of his mindless followers claim that he can "COMPLETELY heal cancer" or remove the "BLOCKAGES" that cause cancer. But if you look at the facts and EVIDENCE I've provided, you'll see otherwise.

https://www.facebook.com/SpringForestQigong/posts/10152365825211953

This is posted PUBLICLY on the Internationally Recognized Qigong Master's public profile. I took a screenshot. Many will view this as a "low blow" but the fact that he can't "completely heal" his very own wife demonstrates that he can't heal anyone going in to see him for cancer.

"Hello my dear friends!
As many of you may already know, my beloved wife, Fang, crossed over into the next circle of life at the end of May. Her long struggle with cancer finally over.
I was with her when she made her transition and she was in a place of peace and love in her heart and ready to make the transition.
The services we held were private with just family and a few, close friends, as Fang wanted it to be.
In my meditations, I have had the joy of communicating with Fang on the other side several times now since she crossed over. She is so filled with joy and love and, as she pointed out to me several times, she is very busy. Fang always loves being busy.
Fang will always be in my heart and I know we will be together again one day.
So many of you have reached out to me and our children with your love, your kind words and your continuing support. We thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts. Love, Chunyi"

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lilyscomm
, US
Sep 20, 2014 10:09 pm EDT

Twenty days ago, I was looking for a qigong class, and found Spring Forest Qigong. I surfed online for more information about SFQ and landed here. This lady has blamed SFQ for her wrong decisions. First, she asked for a discount but was refused. She should make the right decision by then. She either followed the prices and completed 7 session, or didn't use SFQ's services at all. However, she went for the SFQ's services, but "got more insistent about financial help", because she said "I could not see why the sessions were so expensive as they were only about half an hour long and involved no expensive equipment."

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lilyscomm
, US
Sep 20, 2014 10:07 pm EDT

More importantly, she sounds like a new immigrant, and I am sure she is not because new immigrants won't have Social Security. As an old immigrant, I would tell new immigrants as the following:"The services in USA are very expensive. Let me give you several examples. Our freezer didn't work, and called a repairman. He told us to vacumn the bottom of the freezer once every six months. He said too much dust building up beneath the freezer clogged the cooling metal. He charged us $600 for this simple advice, and he even didn't do the vacumm for us. Another example, our utility room was leaking water. We called a plumber. The plumber came and said the water tank was broken and he cann't do anything about it. He charged us $250 for the visit. We remembered the water tank was changed last year and still under warranty. We called the water tank guy, and he didn't charge us the new water tank, but charged us $550 for the service." General speaking, the services in this country are very very expensive. You have to keep learning to be your own healer, repairman and handyman. Moreover, not anybody can become a qigong master, and not anybody can devote to be a excellent healer. As a pretty well welcomed qigong master, his charge is very economic, in my opinion.

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lilyscomm
, US
Sep 20, 2014 10:03 pm EDT

Third, she stopped after 5 sessions, did not finish 7 sessions. But she said "but I continued doing the exercises - and continued to get worse." My question is since she didn't attend the classes, how can she continue doing the exercises? She should talk more about her health problems and what signs of getting worse? A lot of expericed people online will tell you what happened. Sometimes feeling more painful means the qi is working harder to clean the blockage out of the body.

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lilyscomm
, US
Sep 20, 2014 10:01 pm EDT

Second, she has chances to choose between 7 private healing sessions and taking the lessons. If let me choose, I would go to classes to learn how to heal myself. Private healing sessions is for the rich patients who have busy working schedule, or the ones with emergent health conditions. If you are worried about the money more than your health, and was angry the services don't worth the money you pay, you put more pathologies in your body. Unhealthy emotions also block energy channel.

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MissMoo
Portland, US
Sep 04, 2014 12:49 pm EDT
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I have a very dear friend who was a student of Chunyi Lin and SFQ for many years, spending thousands of Social Security dollars for "seminars" and consultations with the "Master" and referring many friends. At one point, my friend took a picture of me to Chunyi for a visual reading of my health. Mr. Lin looked at my picture and said one word ... 'HATRED". Needless to say, my friend was BEYOND SHOCKED, speechless and disillusioned. Since that day about 2 years ago, my friend has not communicated with SFQ and Mr. Lin. Neither has he donated any more money to this set of slick scam artists. Disgusting that this is allowed to continue. Where is the Attorney General?

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Marshmel
london, GB
May 26, 2014 6:43 am EDT
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Evil Capitalism!

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Nance B
Moline, US
Mar 14, 2014 12:15 am EDT

Knowledge has a price especially when you need the service. Plumber, carpenter etc.Some experiences are better than others. GI Gong is a mind, body relationship. Your intent, desire makes the process either slow or fast. When one learns the inner working of subconscious - conscious mind and work it with the breath they can create a beautiful life abundantly in health wealth and relationships. There is a difference between want, have and desire. Believing in oneself is a key to success of being well. Eating a healthier lifestyle is suggested. It is also a tool to guide your body back into health. Taking responsibility for what you put into your mouth, how you move your body, and how you talk to yourself in positive loving ways. It is my opinion you have a choice to keep going through the process with determination that you will be successful or use the tools to be successful elsewhere. There are a lot of successful people who have released all there emotional garbage and set themselves free of pain. Pain is created in the body by wrong thinking. Change the thinking. I personally have been through the program and paid willing for all classes. Every penny was worth it. I choose to spend it for the knowledge. I could of just read the books, spent less and still understand the process. I have found faith in my own healing. My faith has healed me whole. Jesus healed. And he said, " let thy faith heal you whole".

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StuartHH
Mililani, US
Aug 13, 2013 6:42 pm EDT

I watched some of the short video clips on the SFQ site and the techniques shown are similar or the same as thousands of other types of Qigong out there. I have practiced and taught Qigong and Taiji for 20 years, have read hundreds of books and magazines, watched hundreds of videos and have a cabinet full of DVDs. The bottom line is this: Qigong is Qigong and all Qigong provides the same benefits or lack thereof, depending on the dedication and patience of the person practicing. I am a certified instructor (since 1994) and since being initially certified, see no need to keep paying exorbitant amounts of money to this guru or that style of Qigong when I or anyone on earth can educate themselves and practice. Without diligent, correct practice, nothing will happen, regardless of what the so called miracle healers say they can do and regardless of all the so called Masters out there pumping their style over the others. It's no different than a religion, where they say our god is better than your god. How many gods are there anyway? Qigong is Qigong ... educate yourself, practice by yourself after working with a qualified instructor in classes and live a lifestyle consistent with your beliefs ... and most of all, don't feel you have to overpay these so called Masters for their services. They have no more access to the truth than you do.

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LW
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Jan 11, 2023 12:45 pm EST
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I agree with your assessment. I did SFQ for a while, their free morning program and I did one of the paid level classes too. To the degree I compared it to other classes, it is very much the same principles at work. I do not feel Chunyi Lin has anything special, and have sensed stronger energy from other teachers. But if you work the technique, they are very useful, they are powerful if you dedicate your awareness and effort to the practice, it works.

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Ellie_ci
Miami, US
May 21, 2013 6:44 pm EDT

Oh, how I wish I could get refunds from all the doctors I had seen in the last 2 years, who would not help me in anyway, but gladly charge me $150-250 per visit saying that there is nothing wrong with me. I eventually got diagnosed, but it took thousands of wasted $$$$ . Why no one seem to demand money back from the thieves that have MD to their name?

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JohnnyGermanicus
Adams, US
Apr 09, 2013 1:14 pm EDT

I believe in Chi Kung and practise the 6 healing sounds of Chi Kung. When people complain that it isn't working right away it takes time and practice. Their was a saying practice makes perfect but that isn't true because you have to know if it is being done right. Perfect practice makes perfect practice. It is also important to train yourself everyday. Once a week on Tuesdays for example may not be enough. I practice everyday on my breathing and have noticed major changes. Also having faith in what you do is important.

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JohnnyGermanicus
Adams, US
Apr 09, 2013 1:08 pm EDT

I remember Y'Shua (Jesus) Didn't charge people when he healed them only ask them to have faith. The world of Chi Kung has turned into a business about money. Pushing away the poor but I don't blame Teach Lin but rather the handful of rich greedy people who want no change in there financial life style. If a person cries for help and has no money and has a terrible disease you shouldn't blame them for it. Just a power trip and excuse.

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Deesker
Henrico, US
Apr 19, 2012 1:29 am EDT

I just happened to find this page by doing a search. I took a 6 day course online, which was free, from Master Lin and fell in love with Qigong. I've done Healing Touch energy healing and found it to be very healing and effective. Master Lin talks about possible symptoms of feeling worse as your energy blockages are being cleared. I bought his CD for the active exercises and meditation and love them! There are always two sides to every story. This sounds like a person who wasn't willing to do the work and is now blaming Master Lin for her "bad luck." Be careful of these comments. There will always be someone who has something negative to say about anything. I have also spoken with the people at Qigong and have never had a negative experience at all. I highly doubt this woman was rude to Lindsy. This was Lindsy's reality. It isn't mine.

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nikhara
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Mar 17, 2012 8:52 am EDT

this world is always divided into three parts- "for, against and no comments". All are right in their own ways because every one has created his own world in which he lives and his perspective is what he sees his world is like. You experience something and you are wholly owner of that. you can tell others what and how it happened but can not make him get the some experience as you did. So accept the good points like "love every one, do unto others as you want them to do to you, have faith in yourself, and in nature which has brought you into this world, " and so on. Please do not give opinions, because you never know the whole truth at any time and the other side of the coin is always not visible when you look at a two dimension picture

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Centered Energy Massage
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Dec 16, 2011 9:36 pm EST
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like all injury and disease, energy blockages forces the body to compensate. Removing the blockages will cause problems until the body can reset to the default. One must expect these negative effects until the reset happens.

I have read the "Born A Healer book". Using the most basic Qigong exercises i have changed my life and have found that I can positively affect the health of others. No one system can do everything for everyone. No one can heal you! In the west, we think, when the pain is gone we are healed. In the west we treat disease by hiding the pain.

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Centered Energy Massage
, US
Dec 16, 2011 9:16 pm EST
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Healing does not go from bad to better in a few steps. often things have to get much worse before they get better. No one expects to get off the operating table and carry it home! blocked energy is dealt with by the body as best it can. Compensation occurs. These compensations change how energy paths operate. Removing the blockage is not all there is to healing. The compensations must sort themselves out before the energetic path ways return to the default setting. These changes may be painful. Accept the Change, accept the pain, Be ready for the gain.

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Macaroni and Chi's
fef, US
Jun 10, 2011 11:31 pm EDT

Boy it sure sounds like there are a bunch of nut baskets responding to this poor lady. When it comes down to it you're talking about charging for a 'service', nothing more. If the particular service is paid for yet not rendered as promised then there is a fraud occurring. On the other hand if the service is subjective and there is no guarantee of success implied or offered then you as a client are risking your investment on the chance of a reward. You can be as ethereal and spiritual as you like but in the end its still just business.
It sounds like, regardless of who is right or wrong, there was some terrible customer service happening. This lady should have had the answers given to her questions. Not doing so only lends creedence to something shady going on (even if there isn't).
I have no duck in this race I just felt compelled to give my opinion. Take it as you will.

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Johnnie Chan
Excelsior, US
Apr 29, 2011 4:47 pm EDT

Remember that disease and suffering involves one's karma. There's an old saying that, "the cure will only be found once the karma is done". Some healers can help remove the karma and speed up this process, but not all healers can do that, and sometimes the karma is so massive that the only cure is death of the body it's attached to. Since it's impossible to fully comprehend all the aspects of karma, all we can do is continue the journey of using good healers when we can afford them, learning self healing techniques, practicing them, and doing our meditation everyday. Eventually we will make enough spiritual progress and dissolve enough karma that we will find a healer or self-help technique that can work for us. It's really naive to think we can just pay a small amount of money to remove a massive amount of our own bad karma that we created. Take responsibility for your karma and get to work on it. There's no other option.

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Bob Apple
, US
Mar 07, 2011 1:13 pm EST

I've had absolutely wonderful experiences from practicing Spring Forest Qigong and from going to the center. I was told from the very beginning that private sessions are not necessary when you consistently practice Qigong. I went anyway because I wanted to experience a private session, and I figured it would speed up my own healing. Everyone on the staff has been very nice and very supportive. And I thought the prices were reasonable.

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cathb
st. paul, US
Jan 05, 2011 5:00 pm EST

The one thing I do question is why it is so expensive. It doesn't require any special equipment, nor does it require years of expensive study similar to what a doctor or other professional people go through. The good people who provide this service are entitled to earn something for their work, but the costs seem questionable. I wish someone would explain why they charge so much.

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dot8927
Minneapolis, US
Jan 01, 2011 2:57 pm EST

I have gone to see Master Lin and I have always had great results from him. I am also constrained by cost not to see him very often. It is my impression that his entire premise is to find away for you and your family to heal yourselves. With that said the tools to do that are available through the coarse and also his books. I have seen Spring Forest grow and with that there is a lot of growing pains and I think there is a lot of people surrounding Master Lin that he does not always get the "business" side of situations. He treats a large amount of people, but he always seems specific about his intent to help and give you tools to help yourself. There will always be people who do not fit well with this kind of healing, just as you may not like or care for some doctors and some clinics. I think sometimes things just don't go the way we expected them and to realize you have a choice in the making of your own behavior really can empower you to find the right modality to get well. Best of Luck.

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ed upf
Richfield, US
Nov 19, 2010 10:14 pm EST

Sounds about right. "Master" Lin and his cult got a hold of my husband when my daughter was 3 months old and her brother was 3. That was 15 years ago. My now ex husband squandered every dime of our money on this cult. I lost my home of 17 years and the 80K of equity. He's now overe 50 k in arrears on CS. He admitted in his contempt trial a year ago that while the kids and I were being put out of our home with no money even for a moving truck, he was up at Superior Shores, in a resort, paying for his umpteenth go round at whatever level.

I now have a lovely small rental home that I'm about to be evicted from . just heard from my son that he's at level 4 this evening and all day tomorrow. This is a cult, no doubt about it. SFCQ has happily stolen the roof over my childrens heads. Joe Welch, get 5 jobs and see your 15 year old daughter doesn't lose another home.

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Bjarne Smith
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Aug 07, 2020 9:34 pm EDT
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SFQ has self help products to sell. They also have treatments. I can't vouch for the treatments, but the products teaching qigong are not that expensive. If you bought all their products, it would probably cost you less than $2, 000. You can however learn a lot off of their first product, which only costs $120.00. If your husband went hog wild on treatments, and products, why are you blaming the company? As with any healing modality, it won't cure everything. Same as going to any doctor.

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Nick40100
, IE
Nov 17, 2010 2:08 pm EST

Interesting to read comments on this forum as they could all come from SFQ shareholders.
I guess i will be healed the day i stop being disgusted by financial greed.
A bon entendeur...

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hnt
Gardena, US
Nov 12, 2010 9:45 pm EST
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I am a single mom struggling with finances due to 2x monthly required furlough (no pay). I have been wanting to order the program but haven't been able to afford it yet I never once thought of demanding a reduction in fees. As a rule I don't ask for special treatment for services or products because I understand that my life is my own, my livelihood is my own, and my conditions are a direct result from how I live my life. I also understand that it is okay to sacrifice and save for things of worth which hopefully means that I am on my way to healing. From an outsider I have to admire Master Lin for putting forth good into this world. What is your contribution to the world other than negativity and complaints? I looks to me like you would like to hurt him for not living up to your high expectations and that is shameful. You owe him a big apology but in your mind you probably think the reverse. Please do some reflection and stop blaming some poor healer that failed to cure you within a few sessions what you have created within yourself after many years. If you are mad that he neglected to give you special treatment you should realize that this special treatment is not something you are automatically entitled to any more than I should be because I am struggling financially. My suggestion: Stop being a Prima Donna. If I were him I wouldn't respond to your complaints either although my intentions would probably not be as noble but like I said, I am working at change. Before you expect outer healing, deal with the inside first and your healing will probably manifest on its own. Master Lin didn't create your misery; you did. Many people would have liked to throw stones at Jesus too.

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mycher
Pittsburgh, US
Aug 31, 2010 3:54 pm EDT
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I offer these comments to you, Lindsy, for your consideration, only because I can well appreciate your anger and frustration based upon your experience. I have purchased the Spring Forest Qigong Level ! materials and was very satisfied with the quality of them. Like you, I started to practice them for a condition, in my case, a skin condition known as rosacea. ""It" did not seem to help, but I also didn't practice them anywhere close to daily as was recommended. That's an interesting interesting admission for me to make, since this condition caused me much personal anguish, and yet I did not follow the instructions to the letter or for very long before I gave up. What's even more of note to me is that I then doubted the power of SF Qigong itself as a result and played down what effect my less-than-committed practice schedule was playing. I am not saying that this was what YOU did, Lindsy, but I am saying the phenomenon known as healing is simple in one sense, but we can make it complicated in the process by what we bring to the practice and what "bubbles up" during that time. What I realized is that I wanted healing but not in this form, if it meant I had to commit to doing the exercises every day. So, I went in search of, and ultimately found, healing in a form that suited me better. My skin has cleared. But I take full responsibility for what happened/didn't happen with the SF Qigong and, in fact, to this day practice the Sword Fingers healing technique for a very good friend of mine who has esophageal cancer and who gets relief from it, he says.

Some questions I wonder about. Were you aware of the cost of 7 lessons beforehand when Master Lin recommended that number? If so, then at some point you must have decided that it was worth it to you to make this investment. If not, then perhaps this is a life lesson to nail down that information in the future before you agree to something. Did anyone tell you that you would be treated as special from others because you are on a fixed income? From what I read, it seems that they did not. Did anyone promise a money-back guarantee? If so, then you would have grounds for pursuing a refund. If not, then that is more learning for you. If you desire or expect a money-back guarantee, then you should make sure you have that in writing beforehand. It's all about learning from our choices and experiences, don't you think?

It is my personal belief that one of the components often necessary for healing is an investment of some kind, often either of time or money or both or of something else. I'm not sure why this might be other than we tend to value what we invest time or money or effort in and devalue what we don't. I now realize that I clearly didn't wish to invest even 10 minutes a day practicing in order to clear my skin. It seems to me that you didn't wish to invest the money you agreed to if you were not healed in that time period or if you were not given financial aid upon request. That's okay. It's just a good idea to be honest as to where you were coming from and not just look outside yourself at Master Lin or SFQ. I find it empowering when I see my participation in an experience and don't just see myself as a victim. Is that true for you, too?

Have there been many other times your life when you have been disappointed and/or angry when money you have spent did not live up to your expectations? Has this happened enough in your life that you might see this as a pattern? How about people? Do they tend to "let you down". If I am not mistaken, I think that both Master Lin and Eckhart Tolle say there is an emotional component to our illnesses as well as a physical one, and both must be healed.

You may read this and think that I have let you down, too, Lindsy, or that I am blaming you for your experience. That was not my intention. Actually, your post helped me to see some things about myself and my experience with Spring Forest Qigong, and I am grateful to you.

I wish you healing when you are ready for it in a form that suits you best. Namaste. Cheryl

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carlossolis
, CR
Aug 12, 2010 6:01 pm EDT

one more thing... faith and energy healing mean that exactly... working with faith... and energy. lets hope those interesting monks in their solitude, actually discovered something that works! but hey... who has said that becoming a martial artist... a healer or become HEALED has ever been EASY?! I dont think so I think it takes time and once you hace accepted this then it can happen quickly. dont ask me why, I dont know.

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carlossolis
, CR
Aug 12, 2010 5:56 pm EDT

I agree with both parts here. Ive had my personal problems with spring forest qigong in the way it doesnt "moves" around me... I suffer from anxiety, depression, panic attacks, physical pain... and I tend to want to have all the results in 3 seconds or less and for the rest of my life. yes... it can happen... no... it hasnt happened to me... Ive paid 2 sessions, once with master lin and nothing happened, the second a day ago with master nance... after it I kind of felt I threw my money... AGAIN. but... you know what? if you are going to follow an approach... do it. do the excersices... you might get even worst... combine... use science and qigong... but... keep the faith. qigong will *probably* work... but initially, you if you are "ugly on the inside*... the process will be slow and ugly too... youll feel bad... youll feel even worst sometimes... but... keep doing it. dont give up at the first sign of fail. scientist and other natural healers preach that it works. it does requieres rigurous practice. EVERY day and as master lin says: if your blockage is too serious... youll even need it 2 or 3 times a day for more than 2 months. Im in the same road you are and all whats left for me is hope. Ive decided to deposit my hope in God... in the master who created spring forest qigong and... in his technique. lets all pray it will work. I dont know what to believe, or if I believe at all... ill just keep on doing it because... miracles love nonbelievers. who knows. faith. maybe we can conquer our illnesses after all and the mind is actually worth developing.

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Restita D.
Seattle, US
Aug 11, 2010 10:46 pm EDT

Lindsy, I'm sorry to hear about your experience. As a Reiki and Qigong practitioner I can only suggest that your personal will to heal remain strong. I hope you were seeing a regular doctor while doing your Qigong...any type of energy healing will not "guarantee" miraculous healings. Although some people do see profound results within a few sessions, some results are very subtle...if someone expects to see a 180 degree turnaround in their ailment, most times they won't notice subtle changes because they're so attached to the "miraculous" result they so deeply want. I'm not saying that's what happened with you, but instead I was just explaining why subtle changes, such as breath coming more easily, motivated practice, increased energy, willingness to freely communicate freely with one's Medical Doctor (when previously afraid to question the Doctor), etc, are not noticed or even ignored by patients. Its all in the attitude for oneself to want to heal, instead of placing reliance on solely the healer to magically wave a magic wand and make disease disappear.

My Mother had one lung removed due to cancer recently, but it was SHE who faithfully exercised her lungs, underwent physical therapy, and kept a motivated attitude toward healing instead of raging about her loss of a lung. She is now fully active in a senior's Hula dance troupe (no easy feat...Hula is a great exercise) and now performs all over Seattle. My Mom lost a breast to cancer twenty years earlier, and stayed motivated and positive through that as well...need I mention bladder tumors? She was on meager pension and social security, but did not balk at the cost of her health...medicare and Medicaid helped her a lot, as well as good attitude and supportive friends and family..

On the other hand, any healing modality, be it standard medicine or alternative medicine, is not like a "pay you-cure me" thing. Its not like paying a mechanic to fix a car. Your body is not a car. BUT...I've known people that complain to a mechanic if they suggest that they get a new expensive engine because they blow the engine as a result of not changing oil or doing periodic maintenance. Would most people pay to fix their car? You bet they would. We are much more valuable than cars.

And NO...I do not study Spring Forest Qigong, nor am I affiliated with any part of it. I practice under my own teachers and have always been told that Qigong is a tool to health, not an end all-be all. The bigger the toolbox, the more likely it is to fix more things, right? Qigong is a tool...diet, exercise as safely directed by Physician, good habits, not dwelling on stress, and many other tools are available.

I hope your health improves, Lindsy...many blessings and my good supportive thoughts are with you. :)

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