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Spring Forest Qigong (SFQ) in Eden Prairie, MN, is very highly rated and seems to help everyone with their physical and spiritual well-being. That makes it even harder for me to understand their treatment of me.
I started learning the Qigong exercises in June of 2008, and as the lessons came with a discount on getting a “healing, " and because of my physical problems, I decided to try one even though it was very expensive (I live on Social Security) $70 with the discount, later, $85. Master Lin told me I would need 7 healing sessions.
I asked about financial aid but was only told about the discount that came with the lessons - which would basically double the cost. I had 5 sessions and was not only going into debt, but getting worse physically. I got more insistent about financial help - I could not see why the sessions were so expensive as they were only about half an hour long and involved no expensive equipment.
I was referred to one of the healers in training, Darcie Grim, who informed me that the healing were completely unnecessary, that all I had to do was keep doing the exercises (which I was already doing faithfully). Needless to say, I was pretty upset to be told this after Master Lin told me I needed 7 sessions, but I continued doing the exercises - and continued to get worse.
After a month, I called to talk to Darcie, but she would not talk to me, and May, the administrator just snapped at me, “There's no guarantee! If the exercises don't help, stop doing them!" I was beyond stunned, as the message one gets from Master Lin's book and his talks is that everyone benefits and helping others is the purpose of his work.
I then wrote Master Lin asking for an explanation of this attitude and behavior. I never got a response. A few months later I wrote the person who runs the SFQ Guild. He was very surprised by my story and said he would ask about it. He never got a response either.
I can understand that the exercises might not help everybody, though that is certainly not the message given. What I CAN'T understand is that Master Lin didn't have the courtesy, the decency, the concern, the responsiveness to reply to me, particularly in light of the kind of person he purports to be.
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
Master Lin is the most kind, loving soul I have ever met. I have traveled from New York several times to study with him and everytime I have come back more healed physically, emotionally and have grown into deeper levels of my spiritualality. What initially attracted me to study with him and trust him (there are so many companies built on greed that claim to be "spiritual" ) is that I never felt that "materialism" or "commercialism" of his company or his personality or I would have been turned off. Many people claim great healing, but he will be the first to admit that if someone doesn't truly believe with an open heart that the energy is real and the Universe has unlimited Love and healing for everyone, than they won't be as successful as someone who does believe. Sunny above said it all in her comment. She speaks the truth.
I have personally met Master Lin and even had my family and me have some healings at his home. When I came back home, I felt no difference and wrote Master Lin that there was no difference in us and requested a refund. He gladly sent me back a check without any hesitation on his part. My wife has been to his class sessions and has felt a big difference...Master Lin is not in it for the money as far as I can see. He has always been above board and more worried about a person's health than anything else. Money was always secondary it seemed.
Granted this has been quite a few years ago but based on our experiences with him, I would recommend him to anyone. I have purchased both the 1st and 2nd level of his courses also.
Fred
I have had more teachers that have felt difficult than supportive for whatever reason, that's what I had. The most important thing to understand is that there is no healer than can heal you. A true healer will apply his method, creating an environment where the client can participate. Participate they must or nothing will happen. If the client is not ready, not at the place where they can participate, meaning take responsibility for their thoughts, deeds, words and actions... their relationship with Creator, Universe, God.. whatever your choice...then that is stuck energy. To move, do anything in the direction of forgiveness, self nurturing, eating well and moving the body at all... is a process that, for each individual, is different and how long it takes is different. A huge lesson is learning not to depend on a master, or any person from what must come from
Self and/with Divine Energy/Love. The tools, and there are many... work when we believe that principle and find the way to move, that we 'truly enjoy'. Let your heart guide you, your emotions speak to you and act on that which wakes up your heart. Because when you are happy, truly happy and feeling peaceful inside, being angry for what someone else says or does or doesn't do, doesn't really matter anymore. We can easily choose not to go anywhere that doesn't shine for us. and God Bless those as we choose not to participate in there experience. Things that make us mad are a blessing that can move energy and cause us to do something. anything. Just start :)
Shame on all of you who put Lindsy down. I thank you Linsy for sharring. I will not buy from this company now and I was thinking to. If this company really talks about healing and they realize a customer is NOT GETTING it. They should refund the money. They are only giving NEGATIVE energy not positive. All for MONEY right. Shame !
Sorry about your distress in this particular situation, Lindsy. However, this looks like a case where you expected a certain product/service to be carried out your way in all respects. Don't know if you've heard yet, but the Customer isn't always right. What price is it worth to pay for good health? How should people get back to you if things aren't done your way? Master Lin works with 1000's of people in an attempt (geniune) to help people. You came into the situation with a negative attitude and expected things done your way. If not, they were going to get the brunt of your complaint. Your just lucky that this site is made for consumers like yourself to vent. In many cases, for no more reason than the consumer was having a bad day. You should take a nap and sleep on it before you COMPLAIN again. You seem overtired and cranky. The internet (google) is full of examples on how Master Lin and Spring Forest Qigong helps people. You're one person who simply didn't give it a chance. Your complaint is not worth the electronic ink it was written with.
I'm sorry about your negative experience - but, as with anything in life, the attitude you approach things with is the attitude you'll receive in return. It just sounds like you weren't prepared to spend that much money and were looking for someone to tell you it's not worth it. I know Darcie and I highly doubt she would say something like that. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding. They usually tell you to do active exercises and meditation ALONG with the treatment.
If you're not ready, you're not ready. Let it be, sleep on it - but don't strive to discredit a legitimate practice. They didn't get where they are by not helping people. So, please, try to understand the situation first. I've been a patient of theirs for 3 years and I KNOW that the only thing they wish to do is help you.
The complaint is legitmate. We tend to be addicted to our pain bodies, as Ecthart Tolles has suggested. For me ~ I did 6 sessions with Master Lin & didn't get any exercises...but did get amzing OBE's with special breathing exercises from Master Lin that I still do today. I was at the original building off of hyw 394, so over the years have learn that financial pain attachments can be just as addictive as any other ~ like sugar addiction.
I now sell HTE products out of Taiwan & know that their chi machine & E Power machines can do what Master Lin can in ways most people who have done Qigong haven't considered! But then there is a fee to those machines, too, & once again one has a choice on whether to activate the pain body over that versus embracing the graditude aspect of survival in this world of duality:>)Leehu [protected]
Thanks Lindsay for your perspective. I was going to order the study program but decided not to after hearing about the disrespectful way you were treated. As I read your email, your disrespectful treatment was your main complaint.
As I read Mr. Lin's booklet, he studied Qigong extensively and learned its secrets, especially about blockages. It seems that a singular and common blockage would be the distressed person's attachment to their illness for some of the indirect benefits they receive from it. If a healer can't remove that common blockage then what good are they.?
I have noticed that healer's often explain failures by blaming the patient for their lack of willingness to 'give up ' their illness. Well, obviously that is what needs to be healed!
nannette, says the ultimate healing comes from deep within...so obviously you don't need to give a healer of any stripe lots of money if the healing is within.
I am appreciative of your experience with SF Qigong...it helped me!
Susannah
you must understand that anyhealing westrn or eastern is not going to be a magic bullet. no one can just say do this and be healed or take that and be healed. your healing is up to you. you can be shown the methods of healing and be guided by some more lessons, but the ultimate healing comes from deep within yourself. any master or doctor can only show you the way but it is upto you to truly put yourself in the place of healing. from my own physical pain and commisurate depression i can tell you that this sometimes takes a long while and may have many setbacks along the way. it all depends on how badly you want to get out of pain and how much you let that pain serve you on other levels. when you come to the place in your life where you just let go of the usefulness of it you will begin to find healing, untill then no matter who or how much you spend dont expect to find heaaling in an instant it just doesnt happen that way. it took years for your pain to grow as baadly as it has and it will take sometime to clear it up. peace and best wishes in your journey--nanette
Unfortunately when it comes to healing, there exists people who know eastern as well as western medicine that are greedy and don't care about the person, but money. Doctors here in the US are just as bad giving people drugs that in the end do more damage than good. Its just how the world is, the monster that roams the world called greed is overpowering and taking control of the medical world. All people just have to be careful and when times become desperate, keep calm and do your research carefully, and choose the right people who have received excellent reviews and ask around. Peace to all.
Hey Lindsy,
I'm sorry to hear that you are not feeling well. I would like to tell you about my own experience with Qigong healing. At first, I was skeptical. This made me frustrated because I couldn't feel anything and it seemed I was wasting my money! I had the same type of experience with one of my first Masters. He charged far more than what Master Lin charges, and it was not even in person, it was over the phone. For a long time I thought this Master was a greedy Master who didn't care about me. He ignored my emails when I complained. It wasn't until a few years later I realized he was treating my imbalance using emotion. He knew what would be the the best thing for me that would motivate me into studying Qigong!
I didn't give up. I kept telling myself that tomorrow I'll be healed, If not tomorrow, then the day after that! By the time I started feeling energy, I had spent thousands of dollars on alternative medicine, chiropractics, new age cures and several Qigong healing treatments. Not just with Master Lin, but with other Qigong Masters as well!
The part that is hard is accepting responsibility for the situation you are in and realizing there's a cost to getting better. How long do you have to practice each day to get better? How much do you have to pay? There comes a point where you no longer have to pay, but rather, you get rewarded.
- Dan