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I wished I found this sooner. Most of the reporting is for [World Perfume] /[Scentura Creations] . Here in St. Louis it goes by either [Ultimate Fragrance] or [Ultimate Wholesale] , though the other office they will send you to lists on yellow book as Universal. [protected] or [protected]
After researching this company I was thinking about working for, I now feel the need to share with those who need and want to know, what the real story is. I am not here to slander, mealy to show the full story and make people fully educated before they make I decision about this company; some of the experiences I have seen has been as far back as 2002.
I was looking for a job on Craigslist and came across this ad for an Assistant/Manager and sent my resume to the email posted in the advertisement.
THE ADD
Assistant/Manager (STL)
Date: 2008-11-23, 2:22PM CST
Exec. looking for a dynamic, goal oriented and dependable assistant/manager to help run regional office. I would prefer no experience(I find it easier to train my way) but if you have some you must be willing to learn. Daily duties would be assisting in managing an office. Opening and closing, making daily bank deposits, assisting in interviews, answering phones, motivating the sales crews, inventory as well other various office duties. I would prefer a sharp dresser, someone that is highly enthusiastic with a positive attitude towards people and life! Must be able start right away, be extremely dependable and motivated. The income is between $500 and $800 per week and the hours would be 9-5 Monday through Friday and an hour or so on Saturday mornings occasionally. Please only respond if you fit what I am looking for.
• Location: STL
• Compensation: tbd
• Principals only. Recruiters, please don't contact this job poster.
• Please, no phone calls about this job!
• Please do not contact job poster about other services, products or commercial interests.
Amazing, I got a response back from a Jenny – later that evening; Here is the whole email….
“Looks good! Give me a call tomorrow and I'll set up an interview with you! Please make sure when you set up an appointment that you are on time though and show up. The only times I am interviewing is tomorrow from 10:00 to 4:00 and on Tuesday from 9:30 to 3:30. We are also looking for someone who can start the next Monday on December 1st. Please also bring in a hard copy of your resume to make the application process faster if you can."
Jenny [protected]
Well I called had my first interview – with Rachael not Jenny. Naturally it was only 15 minutes. I knew when I went in the office (which was sparsely decorated) there were 3 other applicants waiting for the speed interview and 2 in the hall. Rachael asked ME to call her back at 4:00 to see if I had been selected to come back for the 2nd Interview, which will be at 12:00 Wednesday of Friday.
So at 4:00 I called and was excited to learn that I was selected for the 2nd one, to bring a pen and paper to take notes as well as dress sharp!-as if a person going for a 2 hour interview wouldn't know to do so.
*Number: 314.344.1998
*Address: 3801 McKelvey (in the Maytag Building)
*Phone Book Says: Ultimate
*BBB Says: N/A
I tried to Google them but only found their address and phone number under MapQuest. There was a report from Rip-Off, but it really didn't say much, -until I looked at it the next week-but gave me some suspicions that I tucked away until I went on Wednesday (just 2 days ago) for the 2nd interview (or as we were told it is the “Personality Interview") – which come to find out is a joke because no one was allowed to talk or ask questions so how would he know what our personalities are?) and was shocked to see 30 other people. David (the Regional Manager) and Jenny (ah, I finally met Jenny, who come to find out was actually married to David) split the interviewing show up. As soon as we were seated in the “training room", there was a white board with some information on it we were told to write down. I actually took really good notes. This is what we had to write down:
Ultimate Fragrance
Corporate Training Center
Regional Headquarters, Midwest Division
Founded: 1974
Regional Manager: David (who claims he's been there 16 years, started out in LA and moved to STL)
Office Managers: Jenny (8 years David’s Wife)
Rachael ‘’’(jenny's replacement?)’’’
NO LAST NAMES! Strange huh?
David started the session and brought Jenny in for another part. It was suppose to be 1 ½ hour, but wound up being 2 ½ hours.
David said that there was going to be another group coming in on Friday (today) and that he knew some people were not meant for this position. Hell NO, Unemployment is so high here in St. Louis, people are begging for a job and nothing would scare anyone off to get paid. He said he wanted to open up approx. 17 “branches", which meant hiring 17 people. They promote within and have 0 turn around. The company grew 200% in 2007 and it is a $39 Million business.
They had over 250 applicants and I should be proud that I was one of the 50 finalists!
The qualifications were very specific:
- Character
- Outstanding Attitude
- Fun, Friendly, Great sense of Humor
- Hard Worker, willing to work
- Takes pride
- Competitive
- Enthusiastic, High Energy
- Excited to Learn
- People follow People with Passion
- Non Traditional Management
And Most Important – EXCEPTIONALLY HONEST
Position is for a ‘’’Manager or to Run a Distribution Center’’
Responsible for all money, merchandise, hiring/firing, wants to be in charge, have fun
* David said they are NOT a:
- Multi Level Marketing Company
- A pyramid company
- Mary Kay, Avon type company
Will NOT be require to invest money
No Application, Training is FREE and there is no telemarketing.
Then Jenny came in to talk about the Training Program and that the average person earns the first year between $35 – 55K as well as the different “grades" of perfume.
She also told the story – just like I read on your page, again, almost verbatim, about the guy from Calvin Kline taking the formula process to the Supreme Court and that they found since it really only has 3 “natural" ingredients – Water, Alcohol and oil, no one can patient anything natural.
Most high dollar perfumes cost anywhere from $150 – 300, but they offer the same highest quality of perfume and that they figured out to save money, get rid of the fancy box the high dollar perfumes come in and the fancy bottles and the celebrity endorsements. They sell their bottles in 3.3 fl oz for 24.99 or 27.00 (with tax) all at the Parfume strengths. And only sell the top 20-30 (both men and women) perfume.
She said that they have over 900 offices in the US and Internationally.
Then she talked about their training program and mentioned that the training is considered “torture" and very fast pace. Training will be 60-90 days but some may complete it before then and even the most ambitious will have it completed in 30 days.
She covered the 3 areas of training:
- Marketing/Sales
- Business to Business (Most Common)
- Individual Sales (Ads, Walk-ins)
- Friends & Family
- Group Sales (Bulk)
- Parking Lots
- Power Teams (On Fridays all the “Branch Managers" get together for a competitive meeting)
- We will be selling approx. 50 bottles within 2-9 days just so we, as Branch managers, know how it is, like cross training
- Training/Management
-Start training 1-2 people to ease in
- Problem Solving
- People speaking
- Manage 5 people
- Administration
-Banking/bookkeeping/paperwork
After that then the INCOME while we were in training was discussed.
We were told that while we were training the average person makes anywhere from $200-500 a week to start. The money will not be in the form of a check but CASH. There are a variety of ways to earn the money. They have Bonus, profit and daily cash incentives – DURING TRAINING ONLY and will start on the first day of training. What they consist of is
1. Attitude Bonus – Conditioning
2. Sales and Performance Bonus
3. Management Bonus
At the end of training, we would start our annual salary. I must say that Jenny did keep us entertained! Then David came back in for the final part – Rules, Title, Benefits…..
Training Rules to Follow:
1. No Drugs or Alcohol (Duh)
2. Can't miss a Day (unless something was preplanned, religious, military or death)
3. It will be from 9-5, Monday through Friday, occasionally on Saturday mornings from 9-10
4. Light business dress – for an office environment.
Our Titles will be Branch Manager. Our office locations will be determined the first week of training. We will not be required to relocate. Salary will start at $35, 000 AFTER training and an average office sales approx 250 bottles a week.
There is profit sharing, insurance, vacations pay and they lots of get together such as Sports games, Six Flags, Bowling league, cook outs. Sounds like a great place to work.
Then David told all of us to call him (wouldn't you think if someone was going to hire you, they should call you?) Between 3:30 and 4:30 to find out if we were accepted and to come back for our first day of training. Then he had us fill out another form saying it was for insurance purposes, which now I wished I never filled it out. We had to give them all of our data, besides address, phone numbers, SSN, Driver's license number, if we have ever been convicted of a felony, went bankrupted, our car make/model and car license number.
On the back was two statements indicating that we acknowledge most of the information they discussed; not a pyramid, MLM etc.
*we had to sign a paper saying that we understood that if we were to slander the company-which had been done many times before-we would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
We'll like I said earlier, the “interview/comedy show" (they did use colorful words and were very entertaining) started at noon and we didn't get out of there until 2:40 and it's a long drive for me. So as soon as I got home, I called. And guess what?
I was chosen! Yep, out of the 250 applicants, he liked my personality! Even though he only shook my hand, but noticed that I was taking lots of notes.
I'm to bring a pen and paper back with me. I am a VERY MOTOVATED PERSON and I know that is what they were looking for. This job sounded too good to be true!
I started to get suspicious later that night while talking to my other half There were a lot of unanswered questions so I thought I'd dig a little deeper and I really hadn't found very much...not even in the BBB listings.
So I went on to Day 1:
To Start bring with you DAILY
1. (David says to repeat the numbers after him-SHOUTING)
Notebook (they tell you then to bring a 3 ring binder and folders for handouts)
2. a SMILE
3. PARTISAPATION-be aggressive and impress someone
4. Enthusiasm
Then there's talk of "Loyalty" and his being old fashioned.
Building rules ect...
then to the talk of "Tack Tracking" and the group within the group" of highly motivated people he's looking to move up really fast and get them into their office by the first few weeks of 2009.
1. Great Attitude-not just how well you take the good, but the bad as well.
2. Confidence in A) The Product B) The Business C) Yourself
3. Give 150% every day
Then you get the Product info and go over cash $27 Checks make payable to ENTERPRISE (not them) for a fee of $1 a bottle Credit Cards are $1.25 Fee/bottle They you are told in Friends and Family you will get 1 "Parfume for Life" vouture for every bottle you sell that night up to 10.--When you get these you will find that you have to work for them 90 days or the ticket is void.
ATTITUDE CHECK-you are told that this is screamed out in the morning and end, and anywhere randomly to wake everyone up and boost morale.
David goes on to tell you :open and honest" why he NEEDS to fast track and the different levels in away differently and Jenny had the day before.
Then a side note "Jenny had a baby a few months ago and is trying to not only hire managers for their own offices, but to take Jenny's place too so she can be at home with the baby." everyone thinks to them self-### he said that his office does +1000 a week, I could get rich!
Sales:
1. FNP "Friendly" new Person
2. Asst. Manager
Training/Evaluating and Management
3. Trainer
4' Sr. Trainer
5. Manager
Admin.
6. Sr. Manager
7. Exec
OWN OFFICE
Promotions are on Sat.--Work towards a "Promotion A Week"
David goes on to say "remember when Jenny told you that you needed to sell 50 to get your 1st promotion, well because I really want to get this 'group out of the group' I'm going to bend the rules and make it only 30"
Then he outlines the Bonus for the night
Friend and Family
only rule: don't talk to Strangers
1. Get Organized-make a call list 2. Get excited 3. Set a goal
$$$$$$$$$$
David's Own Add on 5+ bottles sole is a $25 participation cash bonus
10+~$50 15+~$[protected]+$200---40+~$400
then a profit sharing raffle--the group must sell an average of 15 then there's a raffle for everyone selling 3+ to get $500 CASH!
Then he says that real reason it to motivate you and that to add to it he will count every bottle you see as 2 towards the new lower goal of 30 for your promotion-which he will move up to the next day-and you can still work to the one Sat. (that moves you up 2 weeks in the possible 7 week program) So you only have to sell 15 and you'll get $75 and a promotion at noon the next day.
"Through the training you will be an independent contractor, the cash is accounted for, but you have to claim it on your taxes if you wish, but they only report what they give out, not to whom."
Then you are told to call at a specific time from 5:00-6:00 to confirm any info you didn't put on the form from the second interview, which is supposed to be an insurance form for your office.
As you leave you will be told some sort of encouraging words to make you work to the promotion
Day 2:
You are given "Early" the sale's pitch and the "Color Codes" list
the boxes don't have names, you have to know the color to know the product.
Personal info on David's life and he says he's an "### about 3 things- Negativity, Drugs, and Lazy people"
Class- "10 Steps to {running a successful} Office"
1. Be On Time
2.PaW (see above)
3. DWIT-Do Whatever It Takes
4. Set and Meet Goals every day
5. Never get DISCURAGED-it's the kiss of death
6. Plan for your Success-do something every day for your office but a pen, look at locations
7. Take the opportunity Seriously
8. DON'T QUIT
9. Master Presentation-everything is wrote out from the sales pitch to answering the phone to training classes and interviews
10. Always be proud of yourself
Law of Averages: 10 people of every 100 people who try it buy it, but as you get better more will buy it
Homework:
1. Memorize sales pitch
2. Friends and Family part 2- the first round didn't go as well as hoped, so the 2 counting for every 1 sold still applies.
the Bonus will be a money box where every 3 bottles sold gets you a grab into the box for a bill of anything from a 5 to a 100, but if you have a good attitude you will get a 20 if you pull a 5 or 10.
3. Write down on paper your name, where you would like your office to be located and 3 goals you would like David's help achieving this week"
4. Re-read to 10 steps
You leave with 5 samples that you can sell but MUST have back, even if you quit-or they call the cops next day by 5 pm
Day 3:
Rachael goes over codes and the pitch with you
Contact: Hi quick question for you, what type of fragrance do you wear (give examples)
Presentation: [HAND LIST AND TALK]The reason I ask is that I work for a Wholesale Fragrance Company and we HAVE (not SELL) the top designers for 50-80% off
Merch In Hand: [Hand them the Bottle]
Hi-Low: Down at Department Stores like___That would normally run from $90-$120, But I can GIVE (not SELL) it to you form only 24.95
Key Phrase: FAIR ENOUGH? (nothing else, not would you like it)
Shut Up: (let them answer)
Close: How would you like to pay for that? Cash, Check, or Charge?
you do "pitch class" what the HoT SEAT and WHOO-WHO's
David then comes in and tells you about his Boss, Richard-a "divisional manager, one of 5" and the business structure of 5 Div. 80 Regional (David) and their Managers (what you're there for)
You are then paired up and sent out to sell-wherever you want to go-with a Call Back time of 2:00
You are now told that you will receive an Instant gratification Bonus of $7-meaning that for every bottle you sell you only have to turn in $20, and keep the rest, which also leave room to barter.
When returning at the required time (3:00-5:00) you and your teammate sit and talk to David and receive directions to another office "where great leaders will help you sell more and teach you more."
You Leave with 10 bottles-if not checked into office by 5-cops are called
• New Office: [protected]
• Phone book Says: Universal
• BBB Says: general Sales-no Complaints (well if you file with BBB they know you and try to sue you-so I'm here)
• Div Man: Richard (20+ Years)
• Off Man: Jez (3 Years)
• Desk: Kat
• Address: 2303 Weldon Parkway, STL, MO’’’
Day 4:
Pitch Class Again-odd how they do it the same exact way Whoo-Who's and all.
In the pitch the ones that have been there give, they say 1 for 20 or 2 for 35
WOW--at the other office it was 27 w/tax-and I got 7, now if I sell one I make nothing and if I sell 2 I loss money?
NO-you turn in $17 per bottle here- and cash only, no check or Card-who has cash on them anymore?
You go over the stuff from the day before but this time "Law of Averages: 10 people of every 100 people who try it buy it, but as you get better more will buy it" is said to be-not for every person you talk to but for every 100 people that you get to actually spay it on you will get 10 to buy.
The game of the day is announced-Teams are selected-Off you go with 10 samples
You are told to go into anything other than a mall, church, School, of somewhere where they sell fragrances-EVEN if there's a "NO Solicitation" sign
After a day of selling (10:30ish to 4:30 ish) back to chat with a manager
Take notes off the board
IF the next day is Friday (probably will be)
in the meeting you promise to have a great attitude, to DO WHATEVER IT TAKES; and to clear you schedule and commit to being there until at LEAST 9 pm for a POWER TEAM {I signed up for a 9-5, I've got a life!}
After the individual meeting, you hear about off the great things that Friday’s bring-Challenges-a guy in a dress that lost...
You are told that your goals are: 1st Friday-7 bottles 2nd 10 and leaders 15-you hear that others have done 46, 57, ect...
you are told that you can sell that night to get an "early start" and that if you meet your goal that you only turn in 15 for every bottle you sell.
You again leave with 10 to have to return or sell-bringing back the $$
I am a smart Person, locked in a jobless economy, trying to find something to do to pay the bills hopefully more- While out selling, I gently asked questions-and the Scheme formed before me:
*The leader I had was almost done with training there 8 weeks or so (I was told that by this step I would be learning paperwork not selling)
*I learned about "Satellites" where 3 or so people are sent to a town, put up in a motel and "scout" that are selling for 2.5-3.5 days (I didn't sign up for travel)
*I heard about fun trips, but haven’t learned what they are yet.
Then you Uricka moment-I learn that you have the option when looking for your office,
You choose to open a regular office or a training center like David's
*Regular Offices hire distributors-sales people (who will only make $5-$10 a bottle, who can live on that?)
* Training centers like David's---Where you hire “managers” and they make you money as they DO Whatever It Takes to get their office
Ah-HA! Though you signed a paper during the second day of interviews that said that you understood that this was not a "Multi-Level Management Company" I know now that it CAN be and that the only real way to make money at this is to perpetuate the system.
They only question to remain, do I feel comfortable perpetuating the system?
Do You?
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer’s satisfaction.
For starters, those who say they have yet to see where this is a scam, I feel so bad for you if you don't see it. Obviously the scam doesn't come from them taking money from you but using you to sell their cheap product without paying you appropriately. I too went through the two interviews and the first day of training and I immediately noticed how bad this is. I for once strongly disliked the fact that they don't keep track of the money their employees should be getting paid. They make people fill out 1099 forms and clearly state they will NOT keep track of the money the employees should be getting paid, just the money they have to collect from the bottles sold. They do not care about the employees. They only care about their bottles being sold. If they cared for the employees, they wouldn't send their employees out to solicit in other people's businesses. It can get people in serious trouble if they get caught by law enforcement. They're sent out with no license to sell these products to other businesses. That's illegal. I am actually training to become a police officer and sustained an injury and while I am recovering decided to search for a more relaxed work setting until I went back to training and bumped into this. I smelled the bull from the beginning, but decided to check it out until the first day and it saddened me to see these younger people so excited over an empty promise. They were working so hard. One of them has been working for them for 2 weeks and hasn't gotten paid a cent. People with experiment and great intelligence smell the scam from a mile away. I'm one of them. The scam is they use you to sell their product while you earn nothing but whatever profit you get from the product you sell. They do not pay the training as they claim they do. If there are so many different locations being managed by different people, why are the stories almost identical? It's all an act. The stories are premeditated and a big fat lie. Don't waste your time guys. Why do you think they're always hiring and "expanding"? They open new offices because they're closing just as many offices so they can't be tracked down.
I can't believe how people rush to the defense of this
pseudo-pyramid scheme. They are either willfully blind or have no moral
compass.
Designers International, xxx Management, Blah-Blah Wholesale, whatever incarnation it is at
any given moment, are all connected to either Scentura
or World Perfume. Their recruiting practices are misleading, dishonest and
unethical. People considering this "opportunity" - please read the
negative comments here and on other complaint sites. I cannot vouch for
individual experiences and unique horror stories, but be assured that the
"business model" is always the same.
The defenders of this scheme always try to emphasize that this is a
"business opportunity". I
have yet to see a single one of their ubiquitous "Management Trainee"
classified ads state this in print.
The defenders of this scheme always state that "it's not for
everyone". Correct. It’s not for anyone who wants to sleep soundly
at night and pay their bills.
The whole system is based on lies. The recruits
are lied to and misled before they even walk in the door. They are then trained
to lie to prospective customers. If they lie long enough and well enough, they
get to open their own office, become a Chief Liar and perpetuate the scam.
The defenders of the system insist that it's not a pyramid scheme. Bull. Sure, the recruits don't directly shell out
money up front, but what about the fuel spent driving around during
"training" for 6-8+ weeks?
What about the initial "practice" sales to friends, family, starter
kits, etc?
The fact is that this system requires a constant influx of new recruits to
replace the bright ones who leave almost immediately. In fact, if it weren't for the "new blood"
continually coming into the office it would close. This is the definition of a pyramid scheme
and was found to be such: "In 2001,
the Illinois Appellate Court ruled that the contract between Scentura and Long (office owner) was a
"pyramid sales scheme", violated the law and was unenforceable under
the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act."
The year is
2014. I put up with 2 days of this
### back in 1990. It’s still going
on. Rob & Ricki Zuckert were the
owners of the Illinois office I blundered into.
They move around the country quite a bit, it seems – currently operating
as “Wholesale Texas Fashion” on Facebook.
If you had a successful business,
with a quality product and an effective sales force why would it be necessary
to move several hundred miles from your previous location every 2-3 years?
Job-seekers,
do yourselves a favor and run from this “opportunity”.
Defenders of the Scam, please don’t attack
someone who is trying to save others from grief and disappointment. Besides, if I can identify you and you’re
anywhere within 100 miles of my location I’ll come drag you out of your
respective parent’s basements and kick your ###.
ONE THING THAT WILL SHUT UP ANYONE WHO EVEN THINKS THIS IS NOT A SCAM. I HAD MY 1ST AND 2ND INTERVIEW/ORIENTATION, IN THE DIPLOMAS THEY HAD ON THE WALL YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME THEY FRICKING DIPLOMA HAS THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE PAPER? I SWEAR IT SAID RIGHT ON THE DIPLOMA 4.7 IN BY 5.0 YADA YADA I DONT KNOW HOW TO WRITE THOSE MEASUREMENTS. IN MY MIND I WAS LIKE WTF? N ALL THE DIPLOMAS HAD THE SAME HANDWRITING! SO EVERYONE IN THAT OFFICE STARTED THE SAME DAY? I DOUBT THAT SINCE THEY GAVE EVERYONE DIFFERENT DATES OF WHEN THEY STARTED. THAT WHOLE KEY REUNION IM SURE ITS ANOTHER PART OF THEY'RE SCAM TO LURE US TO THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FUTURE HERE AND START TO SELL MORE. THEY EVEN HAD ADS ON CRAIGSLIST THAT THEY'RE EXPANDING IN THE SOUTH FLORIDA AREA SINCE 2008! ITS NOW 2012 AND THOSE OFFICES STILL HAVENT OPENED. I CANT BELIEVE THEY WOULD TRY TO f*** OVER PEOPLE THAT WAY. I NEED TO MAKE A LIVING TOO AND HERE I AM WASTING MY TIME WITH YOU. I WISH I COULD GO BACK TO THAT ORIENTATION AND CALLED THEM OUT. KARMA IS A ### HOPEFULLY THEY GET THEIRS.
Thank you all for your insight on things. I also had a interview with Kismet @ 1206 S. 11th Street Tacoma, WA. [protected]. My first interview was with Stefanie & she didn't even look at my resume, to see that I received BBA from Evergreen State College. Did not ask me anything about my competencies or education. Which was my first red flag, but I was intrigued & went to the 2nd interviewing process with De & Jeremy & soon to start this upcoming Monday. I have been to many different websites looking for information about this company. I found their website that my 5yr old niece could have designed (make your own free website app at the bottom). I was thinking if they are making that kind of money they say they are making then by all means upgrade your website, hire real web graphic designers. If they are really making so much "money" why can't they afford to upgrade the place they are leasing out now. Once you see the location you already start to have second thoughts. I just want to try it to see if my intuitions are correct or just go with my gut feeling thats saying RUN! Kismet you seem kind of SHADY to me!
Actually you guys are all blowouts & I now work for a new office that opened up in florida & have seen promotions out, I am one of the best & its only my 3rd week. YOu guys suck & dont want to do the dirty ### to own your own business. You are all ###ing blowouts & will need a job for the rest of your life, as for me oh nay nay nay see me Ima show everyone what making it to the top is really about . Now take notes on that .
Thank you guys for saving me from being victim to this job scam. Yeah, I got hooked line and sinker like a lot of other people but at least it was only during my second interview and I will not be going there again on Monday (what was suppose to be my first day). I did see the signs of the job not being what it was.
Its in a very noticably bad neighborhood.
There is no sign on the door.
They clearly mislead me into thinking I'd be part of a "team" and thus admin. Not sales. Basically the 40k/35k is the carrot and the so called "training" is the stick. Ick. >.< Don't fall for this scam! No matter what the company is called, research!
Don't believe the first post... its from a man named Jez that she spoke of... he is still wheeling and dealing and scamming here in the Minneapolis Minnesota area...
Executive Associates in New Hope Minnesota is a scam!
ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE WORKS FOR THESE SCAMMERS OR IS APART OF THIS SYSTEM (or is just plain ignorant)
They drag you in with empty promises of 35k a year and being a manager but you will be walking the streets with bottles of fragrance asking to spray it on people to make 4-7 bucks a bottle... once you get good ad the scam THEN maybe you will move up into one of their cushy jobs... but ask yourself as the poster did... do I really want to make people go through this ###? or do I really want to go through this ###?
My girlfriend is unhappy with her current job so I dedcided to help her out and look for possible new job opportunities. I came accross an ad on craiglist for office assistant jobs and managers wanted. The pay starts at $3300/mo, sounds pretty good right. I was a little sceptical because they mention no experience necessary, no company name, and didn't ask for a resume. I told my girlfriend that I didn't feel comfortable with her going to the interview by herself and that I would drive her. The building and area was so scetchy that she didn't even want to go in. I explained to her that I would be right outside and that she wouldn't know for sure unless she went in to see what this company was all about. By this time we only knew that they were a "Small but growing distribution company", that was opening new offices in the area, being Tacoma Wa. When she came out of the interview she was all excited saying she bypassed the second interview and was pretty much hireed. I was soo excited for this great opportinity for her and even considered applying myself but something kept knawing at me. I did some research on the company (Kesmet) and soo glad I did. My girl almost quit a job though not great but a job for this scam!
Everything has the good and bad. This opportunity and Scentura Creations are no different. There are other offices that are not above board and will not follow through. Unfortunately there are greedy people out there and they are lacking the ethics. However, the office that I am with is the number 1 office and it is run by the best managers who will do anything for you to help you succeed. I just received the keys to my office and will be moving into it today (my training was exactly 3 months). I was not strong in my sales but I was determined to make it through. I am educated, experienced, and middle aged! From the very beginning I was told that I would be selling wholesale fragrances during my training program (you learn how to do it, and then you learn how to train and manage the people that will be doing it as well). Honestly, how could you run a distribution office if you cannot train the distributors? For those of you that are surprised that you did not receive your “promised $200” or whatever amount you posted. It is also said from the beginning you are told that it is performance based. Even though I did not make very much through my training (remember I was not strong in my sales) I seen a lot of people in the program that did. They not only made money off the transactions, but they also received performance bonuses and other bonuses given. So if my office tells me the truth from the very first interview and every single day since, they never asked me for a dime, (in fact they helped me a time or two), and I now have an office, how is this a scam
Hmm; I guess that I am ignorant, desperate, young, and gullible to be sucked into this scam! Oh wait, I already told you that I am educated, experienced, and middle aged; so I guess that isn’t true! I just got sick of working my butt off, being unappreciated, and being paid the lowest amount possible. I am worth more than that and I wanted and deserve more than that. I feel that I deserve this opportunity and I worked hard to get it with the support of my managers, trainers, and coworkers.
I also was called in by this company named Kismet Wholesale in Tacoma and was told similar things like the woman was reading a script. After i got home i looked up Scam reports and wouldn’t you know everything people have said was exactly what was said to me and the next day the lady even called and said if i show up for the first day of training im considered hired. What a joke! This is all a pyramid scam and it’s sad because real people are trying to find jobs in a bad economy and you have companies like this get peoples hopes up and misleading. The funny thing is they posted a ad on craigslist for a Receptionist and Manager position but when you go in for an interview they talk you into going for the manager position when all in all there was never a Receptionist position. PLEASE JOB SEARCHERS BEWARE
This story sounds exactly like my own experience, you would think after a few years that they would change it up. It is possible for a person to open their own office, but can anyone afford to train for a job and not get paid? Not me! It is wrong to lure these people in on the fake pretence of making $200 a week in training. I was told for almost a week that I qualified for a $200 bonus then my car breaks down, and after a 3 hour ride on public transportation I don't want to go out and sell your product I just want to return it to them, I now lost of some how... good luck to anyone who can stick through it! But $40 for 2 weeks can't support my family.
There is a company called KISMET in 1206 S 11th St, Tacoma WA 98405 that are doing the exact same process stated above. I do believe this job is very misleading and there are sales involved. The money they promise you can only be achieved once you learn how to mislead people just like they do. I guess naive people can call that an opportunity, but if you think you are the right person for the job by all means go for it. I don't know how they will provide medical, dental, and 401k for me; when this company seems so sketchy. I'm only in the 1st week of the training and they are asking me to sell to family, friends, associates, aquant., relatives, and roommates. The only money I make from training is if I sell enough fragrances. (Training lasts up to 8 weeks unpaid) I'm sure if you are a super sales person you can break off from the group after your training and start selling your life away, since the wholesale manufacturer provides the product for you and you don't have to pay them until you actually sell the product. All in all this job is technically and opportunity to the desperate and naive, but to mislead people to sell for them during the training period is just wrong. I don't think I will be the person to screw someones time just so I can make the money. Hurray for the expert sales members who do make the sales, but I pray for the people who go in thinking that you will just be leading a group of sales members when you are actually selling for 8 weeks without getting a stable pay.
yeah this place is a total scam. I was nearly dooped in bedford tx by ricky rob and amanda. it is going by D.I. or Design international or whatever they made up. They seemed to be praying on poor and desperate people knowing that they would be the ones to make the rash decisions. BTW Scentura Creations has already been found to be a pyramid scheme by the courts in Illinois, so anyone that is vouching for the company is lying. They kept asking information about my license plate number which is probably what made me feel most uncomfortable.
if it isnt a scam then why arent any of your "sales people" licensed to solicit on the streets and are told to run from police if they are caught in the streets and also are told they have the option of not paying taxes that all sounds pretty illegal to me. I stuck it out for 2 weeks with scentura and in those 2 weeks I was never paid nor were any of my coworkers on top of that 2 of the people were caught by police and ticketed scentura never took care of the ticket and during a routine traffic stop 3 years later one of the guys who got the ticket was thrown in jail because of a warrent out for his arrest for non payment of a ticket for soliciting. on top of that another group was sent to virginia to go out and sell they drove theyre own car fron nj to va the car broke down on the way home and none of them had enough money to get the car fixed scentura accepted no responsibility they only told them if your not back by 5pm monday were calling the cops they never went back and used the perfume money to finally get back safely of course cops were never called because by now the cops know this is a mlm scam that is putting naive kids into the street to sell perfume like a crack dealer shame on this company for wasting peoples time.
they are now in bedford texas as "design international" at 2700 tibbets ste300
We understand that aspect of the business. What we are trying to convey, is that we are being brought into this company on false pretenses. We are not being told the truth, only small, distorted versions of the truth. If one does not understand that, then perhaps one has a problem with understanding what is right and wrong.
This is Nick Brunson, web-admin for Scentura Creations. Unfortunately, it seems there’s a lot of negativity and false information circulating the internet regarding Scentura, and I think it’s based mostly on people’s misunderstanding of the Scentura Opportunity. I thought I’d post something brief that would help make things clear.
First of all, Scentura Creations is a manufacturer and supplier of rendition fragrances. They distribute their product line to Independent Wholesale Business owners throughout the U.S. They’re unique in that they provide merchandise without any capital outlay to these Independent Wholesale Distributors, meaning they don’t pay Scentura until after they’ve sold the merchandise. This is key because it removes a huge barrier of entry into business… Inventory costs.
Second, the sales model used by most independent businesses that sell Scentura’s products is that of Direct Selling. It’s a business to business, face-to-face sales strategy that has worked for over 35 years. It’s not glamorous, and it’s probably not for everyone, but it just works.
Last, and most importantly, Scentura doesn't ask you to invest any money, it's not a franchise, it's not a pyramid or multi-level marketing business, there's nothing to purchase, there are no sign-up fees. You own your own business. The only thing required from you is your time and hard work. How many companies out there are willing to offer that?
Again, this is not for everyone, but the opportunity is definitely real, and many owners have gone on to make six-figure incomes running their own businesses that sell Scentura's products.
If you have any further complaints, please direct them to pr@scenturacreations.com
Thank you.
I went today for my first interview and since the beginning everything seemed like it was too good to be true. when I first walked into suite #138 in the pompano plaza, there was loud music playing and the place was partially decorated. the whole office consisted of no computers no filing cabinets, I've never seen an office like that. if the company has been around for 33+ years why would they not have a professional looking office? after I was chosen for a second interview I was told to come back at 12 so I did. when I got back I went to a small room with a white board and about 15 people. some guy named brad came in who supposedly was finishing up his training so he was going to give the class. throughout his whole speech he was extremely knowledgeable and didn't mess up not even once which raised a red flag. everything was planned and I'm definetly not going back for "training"!
United Associates on County Rd 156 in Crystal MN is a complete scam. Do not, and I repeat, DO NOT waste your gas!
Wow you people don't realize how stupid you all sound. If it was such a scam Why are there so many office that that are different and that are ran by totally different people. You say its a scam. I have not once read where any of you have said that they took money from you an in returned didn't give you was you paid for. DUHHHH that the true meaning of a scam. You can not say they waist your time cuz it seams to me you all have plenty of time to sit and write your opinion of these company. Why not say it jus wansn't for you. Cause all of your comments were personal. If It was such a scam how come after all these yrs we haven't read nor saw anyone going to jail. People please get a life or a job. Educate yourselves. Obvious they are making money and they are still employed and your NOT...Wow
To the guy who posted the Palos Hills, IL Blog, that office is now mysteriously gone, but there is one in Elmhurst, IL 909 south rt. 83 Elmhurst, IL 60126, office number [protected]. I have seen all sorts of ads placed by "Rob" "Ricki" "Chris" "Bill" "Mesha" "Kyle" "Amanda" and even ads on the radio! It's a scam and even after speaking with the Illinois Attorney General, Lisa Madigan's Office, they seem to have a general interest now as well as the IRS and the local law enforcement agencies. It won't be long before that office disappears...
Regional Management! yep that is the fake aka name that these people has provided people in broward county fl with. Once I read the add on craigslist i was a tad bit skeptical because the company provided no name and base pay just a phone number i was jobeless so i had nothing to lose. I called they told me to come in for an interview right then i asked for the salary or hourly pay the receptionist said there is no base rate you get $769 a week. So right when i walked in the front door in the pompano beach plaza suit 138 off cypress creek rd I knew something fishy was going on music was playing loud ( hip hop rap music) sooooo unprofessional. one older white lady came in and stated something i will remember for the rest of my life" BE CAREFULL COMPANIES will TRY TO SCAM YOU". she also stated what kind of work environment is this. they hired me told me come in 2morrow they like my personality and smile. so i came in it was a room full of people when the receptionst made it seems as though i was only pick n it was limited positions avaliable. it was a room full of pple we sat there for 2 hours the manager was cursing it was basically a comedy show if i wanted to watch someone make jokes n curse i would have watch deff comedy jams he describe how they take you shopping and provide their employees with paid vaction trips but i saw right through the BS. mon 08/09/2010 they wanted you to sale fragrance b4 you get into the office location they say woman can wear what we want no stalkings or long sleves? if we r going to be in a office why cannt we wear stalking and long wouldnt it get cold in the office? oh i get it u meant outside will b to hot to wear stalkings or long sleves while we sweat in the sun chasing potential consumers lol. IM glad i saw right through all of this foolishness I had nothing else to do.ps the older white lady did not come to the second interview she smelled a scam right away and followed her gut. N U DONT EVEN GET PAID THROUGH THE TRAINING WHAT A RIP OFF AND IT SUPOSE TO LAST 2- 8 WEEKS? isnt it illegal to sell fragrances and place them into ur own box n sell it for $27? we dnt even know the managers real names if we get stop by the cops i guess ur [censor] out of luck..they also have no website i find that odd a company that has been in business for 35 yrs has no website...
I experienced a week of this training around the end of April and beginning of may. The company is in Marietta GA with the name Atlanta Promotions. Saw the ad on Craigslist saying to call the number and leave my name and phone number so someone can call me back to set up an interview. But got the call went to the interview and i was pretty psyched when i walked in because everyone seemed so down to earth and laid back while Usher's new cd was being played in the background. There were three separate owners/managers working that office (Mick, Tasha and Riz) and each had their own special office space/room. I actually got chosen for the second interview the same day as my first interview. I was told in the 1st and 2nd interview that training would be paid and got a minor briefing of the company and what they're about (exactly the same as the above writers). We were actually told that they were expanding FROM Chicago(where as ShaChicago1989 said they told her they were doing a Midwest expansion) and trying to open many offices here in Ga and the south. We were given pay rates through the training which started at $200 a week and in the last week of training $500 a week. Each owner came in to speak about the company etc. Tasha came in and was pretty honest (to my knowledge) about this opportunity. She said that not everyone in the room would make it through training; not even half of us. She said most ppl either back out or they kick them out because they don't have the right attitude. Our group of trainees were mainly young (not over their 30's) and pretty naive but there were some middle aged ppl as well. Throughout the week the group got smaller. It went from about 20 ppl to about 12 ppl. The owners observed our interaction, participation and attitude each day of class/training. I noticed that the ones who started disappearing were ppl that had pretty good business knowledge and experience. It was almost like when someone seemed to be questioning this company or seemed like they were too knowledgeable about business ethics etc and asked too many questions they were no where to be found the next day. Its like they only wanted ppl that were inexperienced and naive who couldn't spot when something wasnt right. The days were EXTREMELY long and tiring. We drove around all day stopping at gas stations and parking lots to basically annoy ppl with our perfume pitches. It was non stop from 8am to 7pm and that went on all week but Fridays were even LONGER hours and weekends were power cars which was the same as Mon-Fri except in a different town (luckily i didn't make it to a power car). I was already so EXHAUSTED with this training. When the week was over i had sold not even 10 bottles and earned about $20 so i was expecting to get my200 dollars but Saturday morning came and there was nothing. It got me suspicious simply because it was pretty clear that it was paid training but they only money i got was from what i sold (which wasn't much at all!) So it looked like the only way to be making $200 or more a week is if you sell 50 or more bottles a week (that's a pretty unreachable goal unless you stay up 24hrs a day being a perfume salesperson!) One of my co-workers who is a 40 yr old woman was going to buy a bottle from me and when i showed her the bottle she was surprised. She said that 20 yrs ago her friends were selling the EXACT SAME bottles and going through this same process but they realized they were just being used to sell perfume for this company and realized it was a scam. So this whole process Scentura Creations has set up has been around for a LONG time.In my opinion this is their process; find young naive or inexperienced desperate for work ppl and make them believe that they were the best ones chosen and that they're going to be rich and fill their heads with all of this bs about how great this opportunity is and how lucky they are. Then make them go out and sell all of this imitation perfume that the majority of ppl WON'T BUY because they think or know it's knock off. Scentura Creations uses ppl to sell their perfume through the so called "training" process then ppl either quit because its simply too time consuming (pretty much 6 days a week 8 to 12 hr days!) or they get "booted" out the door because they have the wrong "attitude". So Scentura sees all the profit from the bottles we are selling for them and we get nothing but a few dollars depending on how many sold. I believe that if you have no problem being a perfume salesperson then you will go far in this company because that is all you do at least through your training . No i did not finish this training because i decided it was not the career for me. I dont enjoy scamming ppl into buying imitation perfume and making them believe they're getting the exact same fragrance when they're really not. It is great to see the testimonials of the people who stayed motivated and worked EXTRA hard to become scamming perfume salespeople but its not my cup of tea. After reading these experiences they are pretty much EXACTLY the same as my experience. Although i honestly enjoyed the week i did have training with everyone. I met some pretty amazing ppl and had some pretty amazing laughs and times. I do believe that Scentura Creations are scamming and using ppl trying to make them believe that they're getting the opportunity of a lifetime and this is not a multi level marketing or door to door sales job (when it pretty much is except its business to business, i mean wtf there's not much difference) and they are using ppl to sell their perfumes. Its been going on for a LONG LONG time now and i don't think they can be stopped. I just pray that these owners see what they are doing and realize its wrong and have a change of heart. but i mean when money is involved things get shady because greed takes over!
I am what is called an FNP. I went through my 3rd hour, 3rd day and made it through friday. This saturday I went to a regional meeting and watched someone receive their keys. I have never seen such excitement and joy come from people. I am motivated for this. To all who think it is a scam. Try finishing your first week before you even pass judgement. I don’t feel I have been scammed at all and I am just finished with my first week.
I have been in sales and let me tell you selling Kirby Vacuums felt more like a scam. And as far as Pyramid scheme they require you to buy something and then you have to get someone else to buy that something and you will never make more than the person above you. I know I didn’t buy anything and I was never asked to buy anything and I was never lied to. My mom got sucked into a pyramid scheme and lost $2000 of her own money. I haven’t spent a dime. Actually I have already started making money in my training program.
My promoting owners are all about helping me succeed into my own office. They took me and anyone else who wanted to go to the regional meeting so we could see everything for ourselves. My promoting owner gave me a great piece of advice. “Take business advice from successful business owners. Take the rest of your advice from your broke friends and family.” So honestly listen to your promoting owners. Why take advice from someone who couldn’t make it through their first week and why take business advice from someone without their own business.
Oh and try to not be a weak piece of [censored] before you start harping on a legit company. None of this is fake. It is against federal law to patent a scent. All this company did is remove the chemicals and make it with essential oils so the product is hypo allergenic. I have an allergy to the chemicals in perfume as do a great majority of the population. So are you saying that these people don’t deserve to wear the same scents that you get in a department store just because we are allergic to all the chemicals found in them? How do you think a lot of the big wig corporations got started? They got started by doing the same things we are doing. The owner of McDonalds got the company from going to the burger stand to sell them a shake machine and ended up buying it from the brothers. Did he scam them? Is he currently scamming us? Is Sam Walton scamming everyone with Wal-Mart by selling rendition clothing to people at a discounted price?
Maybe you should pull your head out of your friends a$$ and do things for yourself. Every major company had to start doing business to business sales before they became the major companies they are today.
Can anyone please let me know the contact details of any Distributors in the UK? I wish to get back into the business
Honestly if it wasn't for this business I wouldn't have know alot of things I know now, of course like anything else everything has its ups and downs. This business is not for the average person you really have to be someone special for this type of business. This is what ppl don't get when you go to the 1St informal interview and the 2nd interview with the boss your told that it is an international wholesale company. Well duh sales is a major part of the company so are you gonna have to sell? DUH! Honestly ppl are so unrealistic how do you honestly think you gonna run a business and you don't know what your doing. You have to learn every aspect of the business even sales because when you first start out in your office you gonna have to train your ppl and how are you gonna train and you havent even experienced it yourself. Everything worth something comes with a price. Its just like getting a job at a car dealership as a manger do you honestly think you gonna get that position without actually getting your hands dirty and starting out at the bottom?Its a good business as long you don't get side tracked but you definately have to be a leader. Its definately not your 9-5
And to Rabbitsbak. Good luck dude. She's now unemployed and you work a Jack in the Box. And she was told we were a wholesale fragrance company from the very first interview. In second interview we said out loud "does that mean you have to learn how to sell perfume here, of course..." And then even detailed out how she'd do it. Hey at least she made $50 for 3 hours of work. Especially since she won't have any money coming in for a while. Good luck Blow-outs
The business model should work and it has worked very well in the past when the internet, for instance, was not so popular and sites like this did not exist. It`s about excitement and hype for sure - billions of advertising dollars are spent every year to "lure" you in; into the department store, so that once you`re in you`re lured to buy a product. You bought the hype. It`s psychology and its a numbers game. The Scentura model was designed to teach you this. There was never a guarantee of success, but an opportunity. Like a try-out, not everybody makes the team. Those who don`t fall into one of two categories: acceptance (Thanks but no thanks.) or bitterness (I can`t do it and neither should anyone else.) It`s much easier to be negative than to be positive; it`s human nature, just like it`s much easier to lay in bed than to get up in the morning. It`s easier to be lazy than to be motivated. Financial freedom requires Very Very HARD WORK! Negativity loves company and the easiest way to attract it is to jump onto a website like this and start spewing it. This unfortunately has been the demise of an otherwise legitimate business. People want to believe it sounds too good to be true and they found someone to confirm their suspicions. From there the negativity snowballs. They don`t want you to quit before you ever tried and they know their fighting an uphill battle with the internet. So make a choice follow paycheck to paycheck people or follow enterpernuers. It's your choice
Some will some won't so what
I am very confused as to how this is a scam. Did anyone not get promoted? I get that training is different then other places, but it doesn't seem like anyone stuck it out to really see if they are a scam or not. What happened to make you all say that?
My girlfriend just went for the management position in the Westport area. Same exact thing she said she was going to be a manager in a few weeks after 'training'. She was told she wouldn't have to sell anything and she would just be doing paperwork and accounting. The next night she comes home and says I need to buy some colgone. If she sold 15 she would get 75 bucks and be on the fast track to be done with training. I am glad I found this article and many more. I actually just saw a story on channel 11 about this place and how it is a scam. Well she won't be working there anymore. The guy she worked for was Jamie and had lots of tatoos and piercings. What a joke, it's terrible how these people can be so deceptive for so long.
I would just like to corroborate these stories. I was one of the unfortunate "dummies" to get caught up in this. Almost everything posted above is true and was a near replica of my experience. DO NOT WASTE YOUR PRECIOUS TIME.
Just got home from the "first" initial interview, and from the minute I walked in the door I smelled a scam. Thank's for letting me know that I'm not just paranoid.
I feel really bad for anyone desperate enough (or dumb enough) to be taken in by these people. But, I did learn something from this experience (never use Craigslist to find a job, and ALWAYS find out what you're applying for BEFORE you take a few hours off work to interview).
Oh and ###s--thanks for wasting my time!
I just had my 1st interview on monday march 15, 2010, and this time they are in Palos Hills, Il. They are trying to do a midwest expansion and they needed to open about 40 chicago land locations. I had my 10 min interview with Kris in this very random very plain office building with loud music being played. I thought it was a little fishy when Kris didnt even ask to see a resume, or get indepth with my past work experience, but I thought ok whatever a job opportunity is a job opportunity. So anyway Kris tells me he isn't goonna b.s. me he wants me back thursday at noon for my second interview. Naturally I was excited. So thursday comes and I walk into the office and they lead me into a small room with a white board on the wall, there where about 20 other people in the room. To make a long story short they went over the same little speech with all the high energy and colorful language attempting to get the group pumped up. This time it was Bart and Jen who gave the performance. They didnt ask any personal questions or do any normal interview procedures. In fact I have never been in a group job interview...I didnt participate more then anyone else, I wasnt as charged and energized as others, but somehow I still managed to get the job! That was the easiest interview of my life!..lol. I knew it sounded strange when they said we could choose to make a guranteed 35k ayear, or we could choose a P.O.A (piece of the action) which is about 65k a year. Now the thing with the p.o.a. is that you pay 4 everything out of your own pocket, when you finally open up your own office and whatever the left over profit is (after some math is supposed to be 65k)you keep. Sounds good right...then a young lady in the group asked "well how do our future employees get paid?" Accourding to Bart our future employees would get paid out of the 65k. That would have been cool had they not told us in the beginning that we would be managing 2-3 people. So you do the math 4 people are all supposed to get salary from 65k ...What the Hell! Now just think if you chose the guranteed 35k..lmao..yea they are still scaming ppl with their FFAR n all that b.s. I am so happy I did my research, I knew it sounded to good to be true. I mean what type of company pays their employees cash even if it is just training, that sounds alot like not wanting a paper trail. Bart even went as far as to say that getting paid in cash was better because if we were collecting unemployment, that it wouldnt affect it...Isnt that illegal, collecting and not reporting your true earnings? Bart had balls enough to tell us about how people were blogging and making bad reports about the company (he even gave us a few websites and names to check out like [redacted].com), but we shoulnt listen to what a few people who knew nothing about the company, and were only trying to extort money had to say. He said if Larry Haun (company president) didn't "Pay the ###" any attention neither should we, and that Larry Haun would never hire someone who fell for stuff like that...Classic ###..LMFAO...Scentura Creations and all of their satelite companys as they call them are all full of ###!...I wasted 2 days of my life on that ###( not to mention about an entire tank of gas!) Im just glad that I didnt get as far into as other peoples who's stories I read (and there are a lot of stories from all over the nation dating back about 20 yrs)...Please people do your homework!
i am on here because i have orientation with selah management( an independent company under scentura creations) in an hour. i was skeptical about this company because EVERY complaint is the same. i went to the better business bureau-NOTHING. i refuse to leave my job, for some scaming company...THANKS!
We are a wholesale Fragrance company! We sell fragrances. We make a ### load of money doing it. And anyone who is willing to put in a quality 90 days of effort can succeed here as well. There are no investments, no fees, and no one ever has to buy anything. And you can make money during the training. A average manager will make about $350 a week during training. It beats being unemployed!
I had my first interview today. Yep, they're still at it.
Same essential scenario, except now the phone is answered "Enterprises", and the Weldon Pkwy office mgr is Rob, who looks like Opie Taylor and is not much older. 10 minutes, call close to 4 because 'the office gets really crazy a little after that' and they sell "wholesale perfume and fragrance". To retailers? "Mom and pop stores". OK.
Manager's duties---give a pep talk to the sales staff every morning, deal with the cash and checks for the daily deposit. Cash? from a wholesale operation? BUZZZZZZZZ
The office is shabby, has a very temporary look to it, although they must have been there for a year now. No signage, the receptionist has a simple glass, flattop desk, no files, just in the first room, weather be damned. Too bad, the lady was pretty hot, but she's involved in that kind of operation.
Maybe it's totally above board. But the reports are pretty much universal, it certainly looks and quacks.
I will not be calling at 4...
I think the issue here isn't so much the money...but just to get the messege across that there are still huge scammers out there. People get theire hopes up, first timers and some with no experience. They hear and read about these "fabulous" opportunities - chances to grow in a business and as a person. It just sucks when they don't know to research it or what signs to look for.. With me, i didn't lose any money. It was frustrating though. The speakers pretty much are living very deceptive lives trying to get everyone to fall for this B.S.
They went around the room today and asked for ages and lifestyles and stuff. No one older than 23. No one had any experience and i think they were looking for the no experience thing in part because they didn't want anyone involved who knows/knew anything about business law, ethics, etc.
Just sucks the extent these people will go to keep it sounding legit.
It's funny how these people just cut copy and paste the same exact reports everywhere. From all the information given where is the wrong here. No money was ever invested and the person was there for 2 full ( 9am-5pm ) days. If they were so bold why don't they use their Full name, first and last, a phone number so people can contact them and maybe a e-mail address. Instead they just slander behind a computer screen. Cowards. I've been in the bussiness now for over 4 years, have unlimited job security, unlimited earning potential. So must have worked for me. By the way I am Jez the manager of the westport office