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Revelation Danes / Beware

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I Caution anyone who thinks about buying a dog from Denise or Kaitlyn Kleiber. They sell multiple puppy breeds under the name of Kleibers Kanines & Revalation Danes. I myself along with many others have been taken by their scam. They claim to register their puppys with the AKC but never give you the papers for your puppy. We (many buyers) have been given the run around and sob stories on why the papers have not arrived. Denise Kleiber is asking top dollar for her dogs but you will not get what you pay for. Mark my words, IF YOU BUY FROM THEM YOU WILL HAVE PROBLEMS!! We purchased a Great Dane from them in August 09 and to this day we still do not have any proof that he is AKC Registered. Check with the AKC about the complaints on these puppy millers!!

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  • Em
      21st of Feb, 2010
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    This person is ABSOLUTELY right on the money concerning this breeder! I purchased a Brussels Griffon puppy from this breeder in January and still cannot obtain my supposed AKC paperwork as well. She has plenty of excuses including the fact that her husband is in jail.

  • Tr
      3rd of Mar, 2010
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    She also breed all her females (great danes) heat after heat. Baby had 2 litters in the year of 2009. They got her and she was pregnant, and then she just had another litter at the end of October. Bandita is currently pregnant (she has ads [on hoobly.com] regarding this litter to be due on April 28th 2010) and she had a litter in August 2009. I also learned that her Chihuahua female died shortly after giving birth. I don't know if it was a fluke and happened, or if it was because of her breeding regiments. Her husband is SUPPOSED to be in jail, who knows if he ever went. That part is true. You are able to look her and her husband up on Wisconsin Circuit Court Access.

    I bred my female with her male back in July. I did not know how crazy and unethical she was until my dog delivered her puppies. She posted on numerous pages stating I withheld a puppy from her, and if anyone buys from me I'm a liar and cheat people and if you buy the puppy from me she will get custody of the puppy no matter what and get a court order blah blah blah. I got some nasty emails from people and it was a stressful few months. Yes, I didn't tell her about a female Harlequin puppy due to the fact I SAW WHAT SHE WAS DOING TO HER FEMALES. I couldn't live with myself giving her a puppy that I helped care for just so she could breed it to death. This actually made it hard for me to sell the puppies. She lied stating her dog was 1/2 Euro (Jax) which I proved he was not. When confronting her about it, her daughter wrote nasty emails telling me that I'm the liar and I'm just trying to find a way not to pay her. Notice how she now writes "The sire is BUILT like a EUROPEAN" yeah, thats because he is not.

    I would like to find the person who bought the 2 black puppies from Denise from the litter in August (3rd?) between Jax and Bandita because that puppy is not 1/4 Euro, and I have the proof.

    Also, Since she would NOT sign over the papers for my litter to be registered, the puppies then are only worth 1/2 the price. So, technically you could sue, and get at least 1/2 back on the puppies (in an email to me she stated since my puppies didn't have papers that the price would be half. So, instead of making the perspective owners of the puppies angry I just stated that they don't come with papers. I was still able to find amazing homes for all the puppies!) But, you can also try and add punitive damages to that since she did it on purpose and she's doing it over and over.

    Regarding her stud, if a stud dog has more than 7 litters in a lifetime, or more than 3 litters in a calendar year, the stud must have his DNA on file through AKC. I confronted her about that, and she blew up on me. Currently Jax has had 4 litters (in 2009 including mine) and she told me that he had had a previous litter before she got him.

    I have sued her in Adams County Court and WON my judgement against her.

    I really want her place closed down and all her dogs taken from her. I will do what I can. I feel so bad for her female dogs. I know I bred my dog, but it was a one time breeding. We only wanted 1 litter.

    Thankfully Wisconsin has passed new laws regarding Puppy Mills, and Breeding Licensing/Kennel Laws. They go into affect completely I believe 18 months after the law is passed. It was passed late last year/early this year. We have also called the Sheriffs department, the Humane Society and according to them Animal Control was sent out to her house due to complaints.

    If anyone is thinking about pursuing anything court wise regarding her, you can contact me. I have a lot of information regarding her and previous litters. Email is thetimetravelerswife4@gmail.com

  • St
      4th of Mar, 2010
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    I would like to thank Emmondana & Travelers Wife for taking the time to post their information about the dealings that they have had with Denise & Kaitlyn Kleiber at Kleiber's Kanines / Revelation Danes. I encourage more people to come forward and let otherpossible future buyers know what they are getting into...

    In a follow up to this complaint I would encourage anyone who is thinking about or has had dealings with Denise Kleiber, Kait Kleiber, Kleiber's Kanines or Revelation Danes to visit [redacted].com, https://www.complaintsboard.com, the AKC and the Wisconsin Better Business Bureau to read or post information about these PUPPY MILLERS. Their family has over $30, 000 in unpaid taxes. The husband is now in jail and there are alot of puppy buyeres that were scammed by these people that were promised and paid for AKC registration. Denise is breeding all of her females multiple times a year and screwing buyers even more than that. She currently has legal cases pending against her from retail theft to knowingly misleading consumers for profit. Don't be fooled by her ads and pictures of cute puppies. They and she are not what they seem.

  • No
      14th of Mar, 2010
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    We too purchased a puppy from these con-artists in January and have not received our papers nor our health guarantee. The sob story this time is that they are going thru a messy divorce which landed her in the hospital. After reading these comments, I am more concerned about the health of my dog and is he even 100% dane? Although he is a beautiful dog with a great personality, he is a little "off" sometimes and seems to have a stiffness in his hind legs. We were fooled by her pictures of the cute puppies and her story of rescuing these females to find them loving homes. After reading these comments it seems as though they need to be rescued from her!

  • Ka
      17th of Mar, 2010
    +1 Votes

    I purchased a Great Dane puppy this summer and have the same problems with her giving me the AKC papers. I paid $1800 for our puppy and have been given multiple excuses as to why it hasn't been done (depression, in the hospital, the sire owner's fault, etc.) You can reach me at sanfransisco9@yahoo.com if you are interested in pursuing things in civil court with me.

  • Ka
      17th of Mar, 2010
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    I have contacted Adams County Sheriff's Department to file a complaint. Denise never sent me a written contract and without that, this has to go to civil court. You can contact Deputy Stashek @ stashek@romewi.com with information about fraudulent purchases from Denise or Kaitlyn Kleiber.

  • So
      26th of Mar, 2010
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    Hey All,

    I put a deposit on a French Bulldog puppy from kalamakadanes Dawn Houston. She told me that the sire is no longer with her and she couldn't give me papers anymore. I wonder if that is the truth. Tell me more. You can contact me at: pvbred@mac.com

  • So
      26th of Mar, 2010
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    I am unfamiliar with this board and apologize for the comments posted above. Misunderstanding that the complaints were towards kalamakadanes. I hope this doesn't confuse anyone and especially hurt Dawn. Please disregard all comments posted above by me. I hope this helps.

  • Co
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    I purchased a great dane puppy from Denise and Kaitlyn born on June 28, 2009. We picked him up in August and STILL HAVE NOT RECEIVED PAPERS. I have pestered and pestered her about papers and she responded with excuse after excuse.

    To the person: "Not so happy" How is your dog a little "off". I hope our dog is who and what she said he is. I am very concerned.

  • De
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    ATTENTION : All papers have been sent out and/or already received by puppy buyers in posts here.
    We are very sorry to all the people that had to wait.
    If any of you have had problems with your Great Danes health, we would have expected you to contact us, not post your suspicions online. You must not be truly concerned there is a problem if you don’t even take the liberty to notify us of it.

    Regarding Travelers Wife, AKA Danielle Montoya, AKA College Student who our lawyer quoted is “ Just plain crazy “ :
    We really cannot believe the nerve you have, to rip off, and cheat a family with five children, and then continue to claim that you did the right thing. It is an outright lie that you did not give us anything from the litter we provided you with BECAUSE you were afraid we would breed the heck out of that dog. After you LIED about having any Harlequins in the litter, we then picked a male, which you also REFUSED to give us. We tried to work out a fee with you instead, BUT you also REFUSED to pay. After it was obvious we would get nothing from you, which was about THREE WEEKS after the puppies were born, we then began warning people that we are going to pursue this in court, and that you are selling the puppy we want as pick of the litter.
    Even AFTER we found out you LIED to us about the Harlequin, we told you we understand you might want to keep her, and you could have just told us, and we can work something out with another puppy. You must be an outright NASTY person to have done what you did. We got extra testing done on Jax for you, offered you all the advice we had, allowed you to contact and keep in touch with us whenever you needed help and during delivery, drove to YOU for the second breeding, offered to help advertise, and CONTINUED to try to help you, sending puppy buyers your way AFTER we had discovered and confronted you on that you lied to us about what was in the litter.
    Regarding this “ Judgement Win “, thank you for posting this, as we had no idea what you are referring to, and did not know until you filed another case THE RIGHT WAY. We have just about put it past us on the idea of taking you to court, as we do not like wasting our time, and you most likely do not have a full time job, as you are only 20 and not even out of college, which would make it hard to collect what we win anyway. We’ll settle this in court.
    It clearly stated on the contract that we did not have to register your puppies AKC if you violated the rules. Obviously stated, giving us nothing for our agreement is violating a rule.
    Baby has had one litter with us, and has already gone past her next heat. She had a litter with her past owner, not us. She was NOT pregnant at the time we got her, and did not have a litter with us until almost six months after we got her. We have never bred her more than ONCE. Bandita had two puppies in her first AND ONLY litter and HAS NEVER HAD ANOTHER LITTER. Having two puppies, it took no toll on her at all. We let the puppies nurse for the first week, then kept them on bottles for the next three weeks. But that DOES NOT matter since, ONCE AGAIN, she has NEVER HAD ANOTHER LITTER. Bandita recovered fully two weeks after giving birth and has gone past her next heat, and HAS NOT HAD A LITTER SINCE.
    So no, we DO NOT BREED our girls “Heat after heat “. We have never even had two litters from the same Dam! What a joke, that you pretend you know all this, and spread lies.
    We live in a very respected area that is inspected by both animal control and local security. We are only allowed to have five adult dogs on the premises. If we owned a “Puppy Mill” or “Excessive dogs” there is no way we would be able to hide it in our neighborhood. Security drives by every day, and our entire yard is visible from the road. All our dogs are licensed, and we get frequent visits from Animal Control, to make sure everything is in order.


    Regarding ”not happy at all!” :
    Your papers have been taken care of. Your Great Dane is 100% Purebred. If your puppy was shipped, it is your responsibility to sign the Guarantee that is accessible through our Site, also emailed to you, and send it to us. It is required that it be signed by you, or it will not be active. We have also made sure to send it to people through email also, so please let us know if you do not have access to it. You have had ample opportunity to sign it and send it, so why have you not?

    Regarding Everyone:
    ONCE AGAIN. Your papers have all been mailed!
    Continually talking about my husband’s problems is childish and shameful. Our problems life has dealt us has been difficult, but it is astonishing and just plain juvenile to dig up as much dirt as you can, and make sure everyone knows about it. This is all about AKC Papers, nothing more. Even if I were faced with the scare some of you guys have, thinking you were scammed, I would never stoop as low as that.

    If any of you have further problems, contact us. Posting information complaining is not going to help you in anyway.

  • Tr
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    Denise, you make me laugh. You even admitted to animal control that you have 22 dogs in your home. You have 7 tickets for unlicensed dogs. I have proof. The sheriff in The town on Rome even said he might have to take me up on my offer of giving the proof. He also stated the smell coming from your home horrendous.

    I'll see you in court on Tuesday.

  • Tr
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    Btw the hearing for Tuesday is a Motion and Order for Hearing on Contempt. Which is done after winning a court hearing because you didn't send me your financial disclosure. Plus, I can't put a lien on your trailer, nor the Automotive business in Wood County if I DIDNT ALREADY HAVE A JUDGEMENT.

    And once again, your dogs aren't licensed. Maybe some
    are, but not all, hence your $1400 in tickets. You make me laugh!

  • De
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    Danielle,

    The tickets are being brought to court, as Animal control said they would not issue any tickets, as we did not know it had to be renewed every year, as LAST 2009 was our FIRST year having more than five adults in the house. So yes, our five adults are registered, and are being renewed.
    One litter of Great Dane puppies plus five adults is EASILY 22 dogs. How many did you have in your house counting your Great Dane puppies? Was it three adults and 11 puppies? You're one to judge.
    The officer stopped by ONCE after we had just gotten home at night, and has not had a chance to clean up the puppy's mess. Of course it smelled, looking at the photos of your puppies who were clearly dirty and let to run free with all your other dogs is what's " Horrendous ", I'm SURE you know how hard it is cleaning up after puppies. You had to take two of your puppies in an emergency to the vet because of an illness, obviously contagious if affected two, and you claim it was a rash, which is most likely caused by NOT BEING CLEAN.

    We never received your first court summons, most likely because you are inexperienced and did not send it correctly. As soon as this is filed the case will be dismissed and you will have to file it again the right way.

  • Tr
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    Actually no, I don't legally have to serve you for a court hearing. The courts mailed you the complaint. If I did it wrong, then why did I win. I showed up in court. You'll see on Tuesday that I filed everything correctly. I have spoken with the small claims person on numerous occasions. The puppies were taken to the vet, non emergency, and you can ask all the new owners how happy they are. I receive updates all the time, they males are actually 100lbs at 6 months and they are all doing great! I have pictures posted on my facebook of the puppies growing up. Not one person contacted me due to problems. Unlike you, you made enemies rather than friends very quickly! I sold the puppies at reasonable prices and told everyone they would not have papers. Everyone was more than okay with that.

    My puppies being dirty? Prove it. Maybe I should take a picture of your trailer and all the junk outside and we can see who is better.

    Also, the puppies had a bedroom in the basement. We have a finished basement and they had their own room. Plus, they weren't very hard to keep clean since we cleaned them every 2-3 hours. If the rash the. Had was so contagous, why did only 2 puppies have it? And being a good person, I took them in right away rather than treating it myself.

    You have gotten yourself in a hole that you are trying to get yourself out of. Many people have asked me for proof and ads of their puppies and about you and I was able to give them whatever they wanted.

  • De
      11th of Apr, 2010
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    I really don't understand this whole " Trailer thing " everyone is so hyped about. Our house used to be a trailer a good 11 years ago. Since then it has been built onto TWICE and has a furnished basement. The puppies had their own brand new room they were kept in. Regarding all the " Junk " outside, that would be Two ATV's and Snowmobiles that are used yearly. Really grappling now, aren't we? You're proving to be very childish, trying to find anything wrong to " dig the hole " you've dug for yourself with, lies, deceit, and overall evil behavior. Look out for the new generation being raised!

    We don't need anymore proof than your photos you have posted, and that you had to take your puppies in for a rash. If the rash wasn't contagious, why did two puppies have it instead of one? You never did say if any of the others got it later on, so who's to say you wouldn't lie about that also. Our puppies have never gotten a rash, we are no more 'unclean' than you. It's good that your puppies are healthy! Maybe you should consider how you got those big, healthy puppies.

    See you on Tuesday. :)

  • Tr
      12th of Apr, 2010
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    Just so I can prove my case:

    Here are some pictures of Denise's pages and her dogs.

    Picture One: Jax and Bandita puppies (2) August 2009
    Picture Two: Jax and Bandita EXPECTING (see how both dogs look the same as picture one regarding dam and stud?)
    Picture Three: Kitty's litter in 08
    Picture Four: Kitty's litter in 09. (stated she never breeds a dam twice)

  • Tr
      12th of Apr, 2010
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    1.

  • Tr
      12th of Apr, 2010
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    pictures arent uploading. But, I will be more than happy to send anyone these pictures and Denise/Kaitlyn, I am MORE than happy to send them to you too!

    I'll be calling your husbands/fathers lawyer who is fighting all his cases and he can call me crazy to my face. I will be telling him what you are posting on here, Quoting Nicholas Brazeau Jr. stating I'm crazy. I'd rather be crazy than be you and scam many people and breed dogs to death, just like... Tinkerbell. What ever happened to her. I knew she had puppies. C-Section, and then she died... Maybe its a wake-up call for all the BS you're doing to your females just to feed your drug addiction.


    Remember, tomorrow, 1:45 Courtroom A.

  • De
      12th of Apr, 2010
    0 Votes

    Danielle, you're so full of it, it's frankly very funny. Bandita is NOT expecting, she was NEVER pregnant. We knew you've been watching us, and I'm sure you noticed the ad was up for a very short while, removed after we confirmed that you stuck your big nose where it has no place again. Kitty has had ONE litter with us. We have only bred her ONCE. Her first litter was not our doing, and she was not in our possession nor our name when it happened. You have such a disillusioned view on what we breed, you obviously need some help. We still have NEVER bred one of our Dane females more than once, and we have proof. Your theories and guesses are clearly made on whim and completely false.

    Tinkerbell's death had NOTHING to do with her puppy nor her litter. She had one beautiful puppy who is perfectly healthy and in his forever pet home. We had her spayed as soon as possible after her litter, which gave her an infection that ended her life the very next day. She was on antibiotics the entire time which obviously made no difference. It is greatly offending that you bring her up, when she was one of our most cherished family members, and was taken away due to a SPAYING, not a BREEDING. Your accusations are so wrong and not funny AT ALL. You are extremely immature and wrong about everything you have claimed. We do not understand what YOU do not understand, that we have CLEARY NEVER BRED A FEMALE DANE MORE THAN ONCE. Your argument is so ridiculous it's pitiful. If you are concerned about breeders breeding dogs repeatedly, you can talk to ANYONE else that breeds. Some of the people posting in this forum are breeders, YOU bred your dog. How does that make you any different from anyone else? You bred your dog once, we've bred our dogs once. You are simply unbelievable and outright insane. You do not even have a valid argument, as we have scammed no one, as the papers are received, or in the mail.

    I'm sure Stashek and the station would LOVE to know that you are quoting what he has said, and making him look like an Authoritative figure that is abusing his power, committing slander, and leaking information to someone he doesn't know.

  • Ka
      12th of Apr, 2010
    0 Votes

    I have received my AKC papers. I will have her DNA tested and recommend that AKC require the dam and sire be DNA tested as well. That will either validate or not validate the claim that the parents aren't who they are stated to be. She was born June 28, 2009. If you have a puppy from this litter, contact Denise and Kaitlynn and you should be able to get their papers.

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