RaggleRock Cattery review: No fertility guarantee 8

As a fellow cattery, we also have never seen fertility guarantees in the cats that we've purchased as breeders. We've even spent $6K on a Queen without fertility guarantee, and she has taken forever to breed, and her resulting 2 kittens that she did have were both stillborn. We will keep trying, but there are no guarantees in life. The only option we will have in the end is to sell her as a pet. Others have approached us asking to buy our cats as breeders, and asking for fertility -- the only thing we can do is offer to work with them if there's infertility issues -- that's it. If we were to sell a cat to someone at a pet price, and allow the buyer to try breeding, AND build some kind of agreement and policy into the contract, there's still no guarantee that person will notify us if kittens do result. It's a risk to the breeder, and it's a risk to the buyer. If someone can show me a breeder that does provide a fertility guarantee, I'd love to see it to get an idea of how they do it!

Just to update on situation we kept Amore for a wonderful three and half years and he never produced any offspring. And during neutering the vet confirmed that he indeed had undersized testes.

I believe Irene is no longer breeding so good riddance. I also said I would have expected more care or compassion. Or advice. I received nothing not even a phone call back.

Irene Wrote: "...hmmm, gotta find me one of those... since in all my years I have not bought one such breeding cat, you are lucky to get all the health guarantees ;-) especially when shipping out of Country ...!?!"

I should have said most Reputable and Ethical Ragdoll Breeders sell their Breeding Cats with Fertility Guarantees in their Sale Contracts. ;) In you circumstance you evidently didn't try hard enough to find one judging by the company you keep. Solids and Minks are Variants of the Ragdoll Breed, they are not Colorpointed

Irene Wrote: "If I didn't like competition I would opt not to sell any breeding cats and keep it all to myself now wouldn't I?"

The blind leading the blind with incorrect facts and plenty of misinformation. ;)

Irene Wrote: "Spoken from someone who isn't even breeding any more..."

I felt I fully accomplished what I started and had a blast doing it for 18 years. Retirement was a natural part of that process.How many years are you Marketing your Variants Ragdolls now?

Curt Gehm
Liebling Cats

"most other do sell breeding cats with guarantee to fertility" ...hmmm, gotta find me one of those... since in all my years I have not bought one such breeding cat, you are lucky to get all the health guarantees ;-) especially when shipping out of Country ...!?!

Ragdolls in mink or solid or smoke are not variants they've existed a long time, in some cases longer than those who used the Himi or Birman or other breeds to bring in the tortie, red, chocolate, lilac colors ...its no different at all.

Funny how I or any other breeder could have had ESP to determine a kitten being sold, would turn out to be a non-breeding cat ?

As for competition, bring it on...If I didn't like competition I would opt not to sell any breeding cats and keep it all to myself now wouldn't I?

But I guess as always you know it all Curt, as you were the fly on the wall during all my cat conversations ;-)

Spoken from someone who isn't even breeding any more...Thanks to all the pet owners and ragdoll breeders who love and cherish the minks and solids ... it is for YOU that we will continue to breed such beautiful cats, we know they may not be for everyone, as I would not expect everyone to like a Red Cadillac either ... but for those that do, you may wish it was available ;-)

Cheers IRENE of RaggleRock Cattery Ontario Canada

To the original Poster. It sounds like you didn't purchase your Ragdoll Breeding Cat from a very reputable and ethical Breeder since most others do sell their Breeding Cats with a Breeder Contract that gurantees the breedability and/or Fertility of the Studs and Queens that are sold. Irene is know for selling expensive Variants and Pets. Did you buy one of her Variants? Irene doesn't need or like competition so maybe she sold you a Dud Stud?

In a Previous Complaint Irene wrote: "My cats are all my loving pets first, I do not overbreed my sweethearts and I retire early so they have a long life as a forever pet."

According to your statement here you sell and send your beloved "retirees" into other Catteries so they can continue to be bred.Which of your statements is correct Irene or are you just a habitual liar.? What you are actually doing is selling and shipping your earlier generational "Ragdoll Variants" (Sweethearts?) into into other Cateries so these other Breeders can continue to Breed them and also destroy the Ragdoll Breed with you while you hold back later generations where the outcrosses will fall off a TICA Pedigree.

Curt Gehm
Liebling Cats

JUST FYI to no fertility guarantee {to anyone reading}

First as stated prior I think in life there are no guarantees and if something is of concern to you then you should ask about it ... especially when there are contracts and nothing is stated about the subject of concern. Some don't breed and some breed prolifically. It's been my own personal experience too, I just don't take it out on the breeder of such a cat!

Now for those who don't know about this case, this is in regards to Raglrocks JK King Amore born June 2008 (currently this boy is just turning 2 years) [many of my large boys do not breed until at least 1 1/2 years or more] and never heard of anything like "undersized testes or penis" ;-)

The parents are Ragglerocks Jaycee Elizabeth and Champion Prince Kai of Ragglerock. Jaycee during her time with us produce 3 litters of kittens, in which we placed 5 kittens as breeder/show quality (only one of which has complained). Son King Jason is in IL, daughter Lady Aurora is in Alberta, three more where placed from his litter !

Jaycee herself went on to breed in Australia from Bromsgrove.
The dad, Prince Kai is a champion at the Canadian Cat Association and in TICA ... he has produced MANY champions and gorgeously large studs, who take after him ;-)

Prince Kai has gone on to continue his breeding carreer as well at Rouletti cattery in Wisconsin USA.

I think that the track record speaks for itself...this boy could very well however not breed, I am not denying that but as a breeder this is part of your ongoing business expense, that of purchasing appropriate breeding stock that you will raise, show, feed and nurture, only to hope that one day they repay you with kitten litters of your own.

When that does not happen, then some extremely lucky individual becomes the owner of a very expensive PET ragdoll for a very cheap price. I am sorry that the breeder feels so upset, and does not want to give it more time to find out for sure...

Attached please find photos of the parents Jaycee and Kai.
Thanks IRENE

By this comment I am gathering the breeder would like me to go out and charge additional funds when cats breed prolifically? ;-)

I think if this breeder NEVER took into consideration that some cats just aren't meant to breed, while others have tons of kittens/litters ... and that this IS a part of the breeding expense ... Then I think this breeder should be getting out of business !

There is a signed contract between both parties, where fertility was never discussed ... And by the way the priced paid is NOT stated correctly!

I'm sure some pet owner will be EXTREMELY happy by this very LARGE and LOVING boy that I sent to you ...

Irene of Ragglerock Cattery