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he is a scammer. he never has any stock, will take your money then dissappear. lots of stuff on the web about him!
This is the most ridiculous post from these clowns at phone4real. Real quick Patrick Deswert, and his brother Nico Deswert took over $10, 000usd from our company. We have never had any type of business with these people other than their taking our money on a deal.
Mainstream Trading Co., Inc. has NEVER taken anyones money, if someone paid up front for an order and we could not supply the products we issued them a refund back. We have plenty of records to prove this. Unlike phone4real (Patrick Deswert) who I have plenty of records to show that he TOOK our $10, 000usd and never gave it back. Why, well he says "I thought the deal with going through Martino D'amico (Windy City Electronics), and he owes us (patrick deswert) money". I did not even know a Martino D'amico until this point, and the misdirected actions were just that, misdirected. At that point it would have been applicable to say well sorry, we apologize here are your funds back. No, No, No, this was over 3mo ago and we still do not have any money back from: Patrick Deswert, Nico Deswert, Velta Group (Belgium), phone4real.
Half the other people on this "List of scammers" I will agree with them on and say they are complete scammers. There is only one company on there that I deal with on a regular basis and that is MaddyDaddy Distribution (Matt Lee), great guy out of michigan who has been screwed over a few times just like everyone else. However, one thing I will say is every time I call he picks up the phone, and he does the same for anyone else. This is more than I can say for most people after an unfortunate event has occurred.
Tried to do business with Kevin Reid of Reidcom Inc. Complete joke and waste of time, took an order for $50, 000usd on CC gave in to Jose Silva and Peter Frommer (Classy Electronics) to run. Everyone knows these people are nothing but pure con artist, of course they took the money and are gone, had to do a chargeback. Now Kevin does not even want to stand behind the transaction. Furthermore, Our company actually put up $100, 000usd on Credit Card to Kevin Reid's "Top Supplier" "The Apple iPhone King", Tony aka Toni Jarad (www.appleiphoneking.com.au). Guy is out of Australia total scam, and waste of time. Ended up having to do a chargeback due to the fact he ceased communication, and could not keep is story straight. We are still fighting with the bank over this due to the amount of fraudulent activities this guy has done through his merchant account. They tell us it could be up to 120 days to re-coupe our funds from this ridiculous joke of a company (The Apple iPhone King). What a way to tie up working capital!
PS. Patrick I would appreciate your prompt response in taking our name out of your "List of Scammers". Being that we have never conducted any type of business with your company, OTHER THAN YOUR TAKING OF OUR MONEY, and If that makes us scammers you should really have your head checked!
PSS. Patrick, please feel free to call us at the number below.
Regards,
Mainstream Trading Co.
+01.888.739.6909
First of all, I can only speak about my own experience with Patrick De Swert. Nico De Swert, Dirk Schuurmans, Steven Dewindt were business contacts that he mentionned in his own replies and communications that he made publically. The company he operated under in my specific case is called 'Oromono' and is located in Belgium. My story and comments below therefore do not apply to any other name or company mentionned above. That does not mean that I vowdge for these names that are unknown to me.
Based on my experience I do advise anyone to proceed with great caution whenever doing business with Mr. Patrick De Swert. Especially if a payment in advance is required. Do not be fooled by legitimate looking websites. Over the course of several months he changed the entire look and feel of his website multiple times. Even if your payment directly goes to the so called supplier, even if some sort of legitimate looking logistics company is in between the transaction or if a company is involved that does some sort of stock management and verification. Tripple check everything and don't have blind faith! Mr. De Swert is as smooth as baby oil.
A couple of months ago, Mr. De Swert operated through the website http://www.phoneworldonline.com reselling high-tech products (iPhones, Apple products, HTC phones, etc.) at lower prices. He targeted consumers. When placing an order you had to pay a certain amount in advance, the order was going to be delived in a matter of days. I placed an order and never received anything. I demanded a refund (which is my legal right under local law) but never received anything.
The website is no longer online but the URL www.phoneworldonline.com is now redirecting to www.phone4real.com. The company phone4real appears to be offering high-tech products and targets wholesale buyers. The contact e-mail is a guy named 'Patrick' and the address is still the same.
Dozens of consumers are in exact the same situation as myself, paid money in advance an got nothing in return, waiting for a refund. Some of them filed complaints, others gave up.
So in relation to point 1. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you that he is not telling the truth. I am a buyer, he took my money.
In relation to point 2. of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:
The Belgian Government's Economical Inspection (division in Antwerp) confirmed to me the following: following several complaints from customers, they made a visit to Mr. De Swert late 2008 pointing out that he was in violation of national trading law and that he needed to pay these people back. Mr. De Swert showed great willingness and promissed to comply. But, he had to leave the country for a few days for a business trip. He would resolve the issues upon his return. A few months have passed since then and the situation is not resolved. The inspection authorities have tried to get a hold of Mr. De Swert, stopping by at the address that he is referring to dozens of time (so they claim). However, they were unable to get a hold of him. These people just don't ring the bell, they leave letters, notes. If a government instance like that is telling me that they are unable to locate someone, I tend to believe them. I urge you not to take my word for it, you can contact the government's economical inspection in Antwerp at +32.3.206.94.43 on weekdays between 9am and 17pm CET.
In relation to point 3 of Mr. De Swert's statement I can tell you the following:
I do not have a complete list of all consumers that are in the same situation as myself but from what I can tell, there are a lot of people in my situation. I do urge you to GOOGLE on 'Patrick De Swert' and 'phoneworldonline.com'.
The following website is a notification website where people can report what they believe to be fraud. The word 'internetoplichting' litterally translates to internet fraud. The link http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.0 is a thread dedicated to Mr. De Swert's activities and it lists names of consumers even official case numbers submitted to local police.
These is a Dutch website and I can understand that it is not of much help to English speaking people but I urge you to use the following service http://babelfish.yahoo.com/ which will enable you to translate the website from Dutch To English. Please take your time and browse through these pages. You will find some valuable information.
Other websites are http://miphone.web-log.nl/mijn_weblog/2008/08/nieuw-blogske.html and http://www.9lives.be/forum/apple/587425-phoneworldonline.html
Complaining customers come naturally to doing business. However, these are a lot of complaints in this case and all about goods never received and money never refunded. There is no way you can minimize this situation to a matter of one individual customer that talks bad of you. There are too many websites and too many testimonies of people that tell the same story.
Mr. De Swert's has given many explanations and told some really incredible stories about his setbacks which lead to the current situation. To make a long story short: he claimed to be the victim of a scam himself. All the money that people paid in advance was most likely used to place an order in hong kong (or china) and he claims that he got scammed (loosing a lot of money). He briefly believed that playing the victim role would generate sympathy among consumers and that they would exonerate him from having to pay their money back.
Naturally, consumers did not agree so he started to have an avalanche of really bad luck on a daily basis which naturally delayed his legal obligation to pay people back. He claimed that he was scammed again, suddenly offered the opportunity to people to pay extra money in order to speed things up, then his hard drive containing all consumer contact and payment information fell on the floor and he lost everything, naturally you could not reach most of the time because his mobile phone didn't work well ... the list goes on and on ...
Mr. De Swert claims in his statement above that he is working on the problems but he has been claiming that for months now. He's claiming that he would pay everyone back 'eventually' but message disappeared rapidly. Often he made statements such as 'if I was a scammer, I would not invest so much time in making things right' or 'if I was a scammer, I would be long gone but I'm still here'. He plays the victim role perfectly, always blaming other people, even the consumer. According to his own statements, consumers that file a complaint would not get their money back because they don't deserve it, because it's childisch of them to file a complaint for a couple of 100 Euros and simply because these complaint are really making his life difficult. At some point he blamed the consumer for the situation.
Mr. De Swert has my contact information through my original order information, numerous e-mails and reminders that I have sent him and to which he replied. I did resend all my information again when he dropped his hard drive. If he does not know or can't remember then this is because he does not want to.
I have no alternative motive in telling you this information except to warn other consumers not to make the same mistake.
Don't take my word for it, GOOGLE!
1 days ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
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Bericht door: oromono op Maart 10 2009, 17:37:09
Kindjes, dit hebben jullie allemaal aan jullie zelf te danken remeber? Ik heb door al die roddels het niet makkelijk gehad en nu zijn ze het aan het verkloten op Engelstalige sites.
Sorry vergeet het.
Wacht nog maar een jaartje
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Message posted by Patrick on a dutch complaint board (link -->http://www.internetoplichting.nl/index.php?topic=15969.180) where he says "the people he scammed, it was all their own fault, and now they are posting on english sites and f******g it up for me. Sorry forget it (paying these people bac he means by that). You'll just have to wait for another year"
What an attitude for such a lowlife ! Scamming people it was it was all about from the beginning, even with people in California involved !
19 hours 46 minutes ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
Newest development in Europe from the sitewww internetoplichting.com, posted by a member, this day March 11th :
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Titel: Re: Phoneworldonline
Bericht door: JanBE op Maart 11 2009, 09:38:46
De economische inspectie heeft op 4/3/2009 een proces verbaal opgesteld voor overtredingen van:
- de wet van 14 juli 1991 betreffende de handelspraktijken en de voorlichting en bescherming van de consument.
- de wet van 16 januari 2003 tot oprichting van een Kruispuntbank van Ondernemingen, tot modernisering van het handelsregister, tot oprichting van erkende ondernemingsloketten en houdende diverse bepalingen.
- de wet van 11 maart 2003 betreffende bepaalde juridische as-pecten van de diensten van de informatiemaatschappij.
Dit proces-verbaal werd voor nuttig gevolg doorgestuurd aan de Procureur des Konings bij de Rechtbank van Eerste Aanleg van en te 2000 Antwerpen, Bolivarplaats 20, tel. 03/257.80.11.
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For those victims of phoneworldonline.com now phone4real.com please contact public prosecutor in Antwerp, phone +[protected], office hours !
16 hours 35 minutes ago by Opgelicht482 +1 Votes
RECTIFICATION ; the number of the Public Prosecutor in Belgium handling this case should read :
+[protected] repeat +[protected] !
The complaint has been investigated and resolved to the customer's satisfaction.
any updates?
Last week Patrick de Swert has paid back the money he owed me. Thereby I regard this case as closed. As far as I am concerned Patrick de Swert is no scammer anymore.
Kind regards,
-Vincent
Were you able to speak to them recently?
I lost $2300 and got life threatening threats from them when I tried to follow up the case.
Lyle bragged to me that I would have no way of suing them because I would have to fly to Watkinsville just obtain court docs!
I do not want to miss out when it comes to publicly lynching these half-wits! I also wouldn't want to miss out when it comes to recollecting any sums of money!
THEY ARE THIEVES! I am a student and they stole all my savings. I have no means of going to school
File your case with FTC.GOV as well as iC3.gov
Send this link and story to Dateline NBC so that they can be exposed!
Call your congressman and complain
I did all of the above!
I would like to know about the agent too! Please email me at likeitis@vssgroup.com
Antoni, An agent at the atlanta secret service is doing the investigation and building a case against him. Email me at mank6730@gmail.com and i'll pass the agents info to you.
here is my news story on local news
http://www.azfamily.com/video/index.html?nvid=385758
Does anyone have any idea how to proceed in getting our money back?
Has anyone made any progress?
where can i see the news report?
where are we holding? Has there anything been done to get the money back.
Let me know, thanks
antoon84...
Get on board with everyone else and lets get this ###. This is hard earned money!
I am an other victim of these thief. Just about a week and a half ago I send them a payment of $4935 for 15 NOkia N96. Perhaps I should have know that this price is too good to be true. But I fell into their trap.
I still had little bit hope since Andrew would still reply once in a few days to my email. But yesterday I send him an email and I got an automatically email reply saying the company has gone out of business.
Do you guys believe that there is anyway we can back our money? Is there anything you guys suggest me to do?
I would appreciate any suggestions you guys can offer me, thanks
Update
8 Victims of Mainstream now. Total of 109, 793.09
Out of 7 people that I have spoken to that were ripped off my Mainstream The total is now 104, 858.09 loss.
If you have not yet contact me with your details and how much you lost to mainstream
Kensleyaustin@hotmail.com
They scammed me as well for $4043.11 for 10 apple iphone 3g. I will do whatever in my power to get this money back and thats not just it. I will teach them a lesson that will remember for the rest of their life. I am about to hire a private investigator to locate all these junkies at Mainstream and then I will deal with them in person.
Contact me if you need any help or want to share any information with me. [protected]
Nauman
Sjohnsono1, you sound like you are part of the mainstream company. Thats good that you got your money and products and that we have not. I'm not so sure that you would care about their loss at all if you did not receive your products or your refund. Put yourself in our shoes. Don't try to sound like the good ol moral guy over there.
I am not defending the company. I am only giving an account for what I have experienced with them. if you look back to my first post I said I did not want to be involved in this and was only giving a description to the business I have done with them... THANKS!
It's funny that sjohnson01 is protecting Mainstream, I am sure that you would not be writing as you are if you had lost money and been scammed by these losers. Also, it's funny that they send you emails and talk to you about the situation, but they have not replied to one of my emails. I don't believe that they have lost over $40, 000 in returned checks, from what I know CODs were not even accepted by Mainstream. So I have no idea what you or Mainstream is talking about. The bottom line is that if they do not return or refund our money then they will face legal actions and spend some time in Jail. I spoke to Andrew several times during last week and the week before where he promised me my items, it's sad that all along he knew that i will not be receiving my items and that they were scamming me for my hard earned money.
That is ironic because one of their closest associate in texas will be submitting an affidavit against them to my lawyer . A Tv channel in Arizona taped a story on them today with a person who was scammed by them plus they are doing a program with the Attorney general as well.
It does not matter if you are a million or a billion dollar company; Fraud is fraud and that is the beauty of this country and that there is legal recourse. That is why even billionaires have to answer to the law i.e. Mr Sanford, Maddoff etc.
We all run businesses over here and we know the difference between fraud, mismanagement and loses.
Again, I find it funny that a company can scam you when they have delivered products to so many people including myself. From what I have gathered they have closed down, due to financial issues. WOW, check the news, this is happening all over the place everyday. I personally hate to see them go, they were a trusted supplier whom I got products from on more than one occasion, and that is a very hard thing in the electronics business.
The only reason I am writing again on this thread is because I got an email from someone at the company yesterday. They stated: "over the past month they have had over $40, 000 is bounced and returned checks from COD shipments alone", and this is one reason for the shut down. Do the math, no one can sustain impacts like that unless you are a multi million dollar organization. Business is business can't say much more than that.
My name is Tony and I have also been scammed by Mainstream Trading Co. Please let me know what I need to do to be able to get my money back.
Kd13 and Mank,
Tell me what to do help.
My counsel also submitted a lengthy report to the consumer protection agency which was required to get the federal agency involved. Your 3Tv station will be of immense help ; I am in the process of getting a report here in Connecticut as well. These people will have legal teams from a couple of states raining on them.
Tomorrow 3TV a local news Station here in Phoenix will be doing a story on mainstream trading co Inc. and how they scammed me.
I will post a link to the interview onces it has aired.
got this email today
Kensley,
Fact of the matter is this, the company did some business deals and has gotten ripped off so many times that we can not continue to stay in business. You are not the companies only creditor, and the company has not "scammed" or taken from anyone without the intent to deliver products.
Long story short, mainstream trading is no longer in business. It has closed its doors and no one that was involved with the company will EVER try to do this "electronics joke of a business" again. We will be more than happy to have our company attorney contact you if there are any assets available for distribution in the end.
Plain and simple, over the years mainstream was in business; there were products delivered to customers (like you), refunds processed (to customers like you), and people satisfied. However, there is only so many times of getting ripped off by "suppliers" that a company can take, and we are there.
Mainstream Trading Co., Inc.
3651 Mars Hill Rd.
Watkinsville, Ga. 30677
P: [protected] or [protected]
F: [protected]
W: www.MainstreamTradingCo.com
Stick together we are going to get Lyle taken down.
Once again if you have been scammed by Mainstream Trading CO Inc.
Please email me or call me with your info
Kensleyaustin@hotmail.com
[protected]
Working on getting a case buit to take him down.
Mank please contact me at info@snipwire.com ; remove with your phone number. I guess you are already in touch with my broker anis.
Hi All,
I've ordered 25 apple iphones (~$9K) back in May and have not receieved my products which Mainstream promised to delivered. Gave me same B.S. run-around crap just like Mank. kd13 and Mank..I've emailed you so give me a call when you already to discuss how we can help each other regarding the issues.
Anyone that has lost money from Mainstream send me an email with your contact info and Amount you have lost.
I will be working with FBI and other agenices to get Lyle Livesay put in Jail.
Also might be working on a federal Lawsuit.
Email Kensleyaustin@hotmail.com
Everyone sells stuff here. Owing people over US $100, 000 is not a small thing. Most of the people are owed for more then 3 months. They still took money from other people not having paid the previous buyer off. Using refuge of "The current bad economy" is absolutely bs. They are a scam because they never intended to deliver to anyone and now they have no idea how deep in trouble they are.
This is the very reasons I do NOT sell electronics any longer. Anytime the smallest thing goes wrong everyone screams SCAM or FRAUD. Fact of the matter is, I have purchased from mainstream in the past and got products delivered. So, I can not sit here and call a company (especially one in this market) who delivers products a fraud.
Like I said in my post below, business is business things happen, companies fail, people lose. It is a risk that I take everyday in business and one that any other entrepreneur does too. I personally do not know what happend to mainstream trading, whether they are out of business and closed their doors, or if they are still operating. For my own peice of mind, I am going to try and make contact with them. If anything becomes of that I will be sure to let everyone in the thread know.
Email me at mank6730@gmail.com and I will update you on the current progress. I am in contact with the other people who got scammed as well.
Mainstream Trading is a total Scam. There are no return phone calls and limited emails. Of course they do everything possible to keep you hoping but then there is nothing. RMA #s mean absolutely nothing. The bottom line is they took 20K from me and have not issued a refund with no intensions of ever providing for one. As a matter of fact, they don’t even have the goods. I do expect to get a reply email because they hide behind the computer but I don’t expect a phone call or anyone to answer. It’s been 3 days since I’ve heard anything and over 3 days since I was suppose to have a refund arrive already. Can anyone provide the information for the Atlanta authorities who already have a case going on these people?
Thanks,
Jamey
JRT Enterprise
My company paid around $10, 243.00 to Mainstream Trading on June 4th. They took the money from my company without any intention of shipping the goods. After throwing us around for 10 days they finally told us that they will issue an RMA. Which is only issued if the goods have been delivered but since the products had not even been shipped; it was another ploy to give us a bogus reason.
There has been a cease in communication; Our lawyers have called them a couple of times to no avail. Hence today some calls were maid to the FBI field office in Atlanta. I cannot for legal reasons tell you what went on but it was very encouraging.
The people owe 60, 000 to an individual in Texas and another 11, 000 to KD13 and other people.
Mainstream seem to be under the impression they are protected by one law or the other which is not true and which they will find very soon.
They will be made an example for others fraudsters to see.
In the meantime I would kindly advice everyone to cease any business activities with them.
I would not have posted this message because I know these people will be taken care off sternly but this is just a caution to anyone who plans to do any business with them.
NO CALLS ANSWERED TODAY BY MAINSTREAM.
Looks like they are closing shop or hiding.
Time to get the Law involved.
Mainstream has stopped taking phone call and stopped replying to email.
Looks like they are closing shop.
I didnt get refunded.
Hey KD13,
They owe me around 11000 which i paid them around 2 weeks back. I have had a case like this before from a person in Virginia who owed me around 17, 000 and was taken care off through legal means. This is the best part of this country.
The folks are mainstream dont know the difference between fraud and bankruptcy. The company falls under a lot of statutes. Email me your contact at mank6730@gmail.com and I will get you on board on the plan of action.
Having experience of something like this before and the resources at hand; I am not worried about my funds. I dont let people steal from me and this case is not going to be different.
MAINSTREAM TRADING CO A SCAM
JUST GOT THIS EMAIL
Kensley,
the company is bankrupt, and is dissolved. Paperwork has been filed and the company is done. Mainstream has no money, they got ripped off by frauds over and over and over. This style of business is the biggest waste of time, and you can never get ahead. The owners of the company have lost thousands upon hundreds of thousands over the past few years. A few deals here and there which work out are not enough for any company up especially one in this economy and niche.
Best Regards,
chris
Mainstream Trading Co., Inc.
3651 Mars Hill Rd.
Watkinsville, Ga. 30677
P: [protected] or