Moose International review: un ethical business practices 54

The restrooms are in total lack of care! Men's room urinal has not been working for 9 months and is very unclean. I reviewed the situation with the commander and he told me he didn't see an issue a day told me"to get a life"! I am told the ladies room is worse! This is not how a lodge should be run!

I would like to file a formal complaint myself I was recently told that last year when we were staying in the back in our rv and my husband was a cook that a bag of money came up missing and I'm being accused of stealing the money found out that it was one of the presidents that took the money but I'm still being accused of being the one who stole it the rules stated that you can stay 2 weeks at a time in the park in these months and they don't want us here and now I know why these people that run this lodge get drunk all the time while at the lodge and are not fair in anything they do

Marni stevens and Laurie underwood frizzi cut me off when I asked for a drink yet they have people falling drunk and they told me no to bartending because I have spinabifida isn’t that an Ada violation

Thank you sincerely Cody Auker

Moose 1592 lifetime member

I have some interesting information about how Moose International STOLE women's dues for several years, forced them to reapply when they merged with the men, and pay more money with no credits being given. There is a lot of scandal going on right now at corporate just call Carol at 630.966.2259! She is as helpful as a dead, well, Moose...

Is it legal for a lodge to run betting pools and take 10 percent off the top of each payout to pay the person running the pool. They have never told anyone buying a box that they are taking 10% off the top. The Danbury CT Lodge feels they can do what they want. attitude is if you don’t like it done play.

I sent in my dues but have not received my card yet.Thomas Wilson [protected] member since 2011.

COMPLAINT & DECLARATION IN SUPPORT OF COMPLAINT

Escondido LOOM #1874
Accused LOOM #1874 LOOM Officer Jim Trageser
Accuser Dave Connors: Past Prelate [protected]), MID [protected], [protected], mcdavecc@aol.com

House Committee Member Name:__________________________________________________

February 6, 2020 Served in-person upon the House Committee hearing around 6:30 p.m.

To My Brothers on the House Committee:

Introduction

In accordance with the prior submitted August 30, 2019 email directive (directing Dave to submit Disciplinary Charges (Sect. 55.3 et al), along with Section 48.8 violations of the General Laws, to the House Committee) from Moose International General Governor T. Michael Leuer, I am hereby filing this affirmed complaint (consisting of multiple Charges) against LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser. Specifically, I am charging LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser with multiple violations of Section 48.8 and Section 55.3 consisting of my ensuing charges that LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser did the following:

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Charges # 1 through 1 - 14, each as separate, alleges that, on or about December 18, 2019, LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser (JIM) violated Section 48.8 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 48.8 - The House Committee shall be responsible for maintaining decorum in an equitable manner for all members. During all social functions, it is the duty of the House Committee to enforce and maintain proper decorum at all times. Participation in the social quarters of any lodge is a privilege and not a right of membership. This privilege is conditioned upon all persons conducting themselves, while in and about any social quarters, home or during activities sponsored by the lodge or House Committee, in a gentlemanly/ladylike and orderly manner. Any person, who fails to comply with this law, shall be denied the privileges of the social quarters or home at the discretion of the House Committee which includes all social activities sponsored by the lodge. The House Committee, upon receiving a complaint or on its own accord, shall investigate and take appropriate action regarding any alleged breach of decorum…

A House Committee hearing is an informal investigatory process. Any officer charged with a social quarters rule violation or who has a family member related by blood or marriage charged shall not participate in the determination of the charges. Any officer who has an interest in the outcome, which would prevent him from being fair and impartial, should not participate in the determination of the charges…

(Note: The authority of the House Committee is limited to this section. References to chapters or sections contained under "Disciplinary Proceedings" are incorrect. Disciplinary proceedings involving formal charges between members are not under the jurisdiction of the House Committee. Any questions concerning the responsibilities and authority of the House Committee should be directed to the office of the General Governor.)

Charge numbers as follows:

1. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing regarding Lydia, then failed to render written judgment against Lydia, then helped “cover up” (facilitate and/or ignore the improper issuance of a pathetic “slap on the wrist” letter of reprimand (with no suspension)) regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1. [Lydia was not served with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Phil with the help of Dan (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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2. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing regarding Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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3. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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4. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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5. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to, based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bully, coerce, intimidate and manipulate Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Lydia, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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6. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to, based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bully, coerce, intimidate and manipulate Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Lydia, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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7. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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8. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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9. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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10. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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11. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Dan (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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12. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”) and 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both, without proper basis (written complaints and proper House Committee hearing) ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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13. In that JIM (in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.1, 55.3.2 & 55.3.25) during the 12/18/19 hearing against Dan Papp and Phil Persails, wrongfully colluded and/or was unduly influenced, prior to said hearing, with Dan and Phil to “fix” or predetermine the judgment of the House Committee in favor of the accused (Dan and Phil) and in wrongful prejudice against Accuser Dave…by way of the following: I was surprised to see Jim Trageser, a relatively new member and a 3 Year Trustee, serving as the Hearing Officer. I was expecting to see who I believe is a more appropriate choice: Jr. Governor Robert Fleck Jr. who, if I recall correctly, has been a LOOM member for decades, held several positions on the LOOM Board (and possibly Governor) during the 1990’s or thereabouts. I now have new grave concerns (information and belief) that JIM colluded, with the accused/recused parties Dan Papp and Phil Persails, to wrongfully install himself (JIM) as Hearing Officer for the purpose of a predetermined, prejudicial and wrongful judgement in favor of the accused (Dan and Phil) and against the Accuser (Dave).
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14. In that JIM (in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.1, 55.3.2 & 55.3.25) during the 12/18/19 hearing against Dan Papp and Phil Persails, wrongfully colluded and/or was unduly influenced, prior to said hearing, with Dan and Phil to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser’s Complaint by way of the following: Next, I was surprised and also gravely concerned over a document presented to me by Hearing Officer Jim Trageser. At first glance, it appeared that somebody on the House Committee had “modified and rewritten” my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. JIM claimed that the purpose of this untitled document was to “regroup” the elements of my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. A copy of this “regroup” document was presented to each House Committee member and to the Accuser Dave for use during witness testimony. This “regroup of charges” document had no Accuser name, no date, no name of issuer, no signature of issuer and no references whatsoever to my numerous charges of Dan’s Section 48.8 violations. Plus most of my supporting written testimony was completely gone from this “regroup” document. I made several attempts to issue copies of my actual complaint to each member of the Hearing, but JIM adamantly and wrongfully refused my numerous attempts to do so. I now have new grave concerns (information and belief) that JIM colluded, with the accused/recused parties Dan Papp and Phil Persails, to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser Dave’s original complaints (against Dan and Phil) for the dishonest and immoral purpose of censoring my complaints against Dan & Phil, keeping relevant testimony away from House Committee members and corrupting the record against any future complaints by third parties.
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Charges # 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 each as separate, alleges that on or about December 18, 2019, LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser (JIM) violated Section 55.3.1 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:

1. Dishonest or immoral conduct, habitual drunkenness or any other disreputable act(s) tending to reflect discredit upon the Order;

Charge numbers as follows:

1. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing regarding Lydia, then failed to render written judgment against Lydia, then helped “cover up” (facilitate the issuance of a pathetic “slap on the wrist” letter of reprimand (with no suspension)) regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1. [Lydia was not served with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Phil with the help of Dan (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].

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3. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.

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5. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to, based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bully, coerce, intimidate and manipulate Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Lydia, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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7. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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9. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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13. In that JIM (in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.1, 55.3.2 & 55.3.25) during the 12/18/19 hearing against Dan Papp and Phil Persails, wrongfully colluded and/or was unduly influenced, prior to said hearing, with Dan and Phil to “fix” or predetermine the judgment of the House Committee in favor of the accused (Dan and Phil) and in wrongful prejudice against Accuser Dave…by way of the following: I was surprised to see Jim Trageser, a relatively new member and a 3 Year Trustee, serving as the Hearing Officer. I was expecting to see who I believe is a more appropriate choice: Jr. Governor Robert Fleck Jr. who, if I recall correctly, has been a LOOM member for decades, held several positions on the LOOM Board (and possibly Governor) during the 1990’s or thereabouts. I now have new grave concerns (information and belief) that JIM colluded, with the accused/recused parties Dan Papp and Phil Persails, to wrongfully install himself (JIM) as Hearing Officer for the purpose of a predetermined, prejudicial and wrongful judgement in favor of the accused (Dan and Phil) and against the Accuser (Dave).
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Charges # 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12. 14 each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., WOTM Officer Lydia Persails violated Section 55.3.2 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:
2. Violation of all or any part of the membership obligation;

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2. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing regarding Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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4. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having supported and helped Governor Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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6. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to, based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bully, coerce, intimidate and manipulate Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Lydia, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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8. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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10. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly transmit (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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12. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”) and 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both, without proper basis (written complaints and proper House Committee hearing) ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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14. In that JIM (in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.1, 55.3.2 & 55.3.25) during the 12/18/19 hearing against Dan Papp and Phil Persails, wrongfully colluded and/or was unduly influenced, prior to said hearing, with Dan and Phil to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser’s Complaint by way of the following: Next, I was surprised and also gravely concerned over a document presented to me by Hearing Officer Jim Trageser. At first glance, it appeared that somebody on the House Committee had “modified and rewritten” my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. JIM claimed that the purpose of this untitled document was to “regroup” the elements of my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. A copy of this “regroup” document was presented to each House Committee member and to the Accuser Dave for use during witness testimony. This “regroup of charges” document had no Accuser name, no date, no name of issuer, no signature of issuer and no references whatsoever to my numerous charges of Dan’s Section 48.8 violations. Plus most of my supporting written testimony was completely gone from this “regroup” document. I made several attempts to issue copies of my actual complaint to each member of the Hearing, but JIM adamantly and wrongfully refused my numerous attempts to do so. I now have new grave concerns (information and belief) that JIM colluded, with the accused/recused parties Dan Papp and Phil Persails, to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser Dave’s original complaints (against Dan and Phil) for the dishonest and immoral purpose of censoring my complaints against Dan & Phil, keeping relevant testimony away from House Committee members and corrupting the record against any future complaints by third parties.
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Charge # 12 and 14 allege that on or about December 18, 2019, LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser (JIM) violated Section 55.3.25 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:
25. Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning.

Charge numbers as follows:

12. In that JIM, after wrongfully colluding with (accused, conflicted & recused) parties (LOOM Officers Dan Papp and Phil Persails), violated Sect. 48.8 & 55.3.1 when JIM failed to schedule and conduct a House Committee hearing against Lydia, then render written judgment against Lydia regarding Lydia’s having breached decorum, through unladylike conduct and manner when she (Lydia) supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Lydia, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”) and 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both, without proper basis (written complaints and proper House Committee hearing) ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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14. In that JIM (in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.1, 55.3.2 & 55.3.25) during the 12/18/19 hearing against Dan Papp and Phil Persails, wrongfully colluded and/or was unduly influenced, prior to said hearing, with Dan and Phil to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser’s Complaint by way of the following: Next, I was surprised and also gravely concerned over a document presented to me by Hearing Officer Jim Trageser. At first glance, it appeared that somebody on the House Committee had “modified and rewritten” my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. JIM claimed that the purpose of this untitled document was to “regroup” the elements of my complaints against Administrator Dan and Governor Phil. A copy of this “regroup” document was presented to each House Committee member and to the Accuser Dave for use during witness testimony. This “regroup of charges” document had no Accuser name, no date, no name of issuer, no signature of issuer and no references whatsoever to my numerous charges of Dan’s Section 48.8 violations. Plus most of my supporting written testimony was completely gone from this “regroup” document. I made several attempts to issue copies of my actual complaint to each member of the Hearing, but JIM adamantly and wrongfully refused my numerous attempts to do so. I now have new grave concerns (information and belief) that JIM colluded, with the accused/recused parties Dan Papp and Phil Persails, to wrongfully “rewrite, regroup, censor testimony, strip out testimony, destroy and tamper with” the Accuser Dave’s original complaints (against Dan and Phil) for the dishonest and immoral purpose of censoring my complaints against Dan & Phil, keeping relevant testimony away from House Committee members and corrupting the record against any future complaints by third parties.
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House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser and the rest of the House Committee are advised, pursuant to Section 48.8, that:
a. “Any member or guest may file a complaint with the House Committee concerning alleged misconduct occurring during a social function.”
b. “Any officer charged with a social quarters rule violation…shall not participate in the determination of the charges.”
c. Since House Committee Chairman/Governor Phil Persails is an accused/recused party and “has an interest [history of ungentlemanly cronyism, collusion and conspiracy (with Dan Papp/Jim Trageser) and bias/prejudice against Dave] in the outcome which would prevent him [Phil Persails] from being fair and impartial”, then Phil Persails “should not participate in the determination of the charges.”
d. Since House Committee Member/Treasurer/Acting Administrator Dan Papp is an accused/recused party and “has an interest [history of ungentlemanly cronyism, collusion and conspiracy (with Phil Persails/Jim Trageser) and bias/prejudice against Dave] in the outcome which would prevent him [Dan Papp] from being fair and impartial”, then Dan Papp “should not participate in the determination of the charges.”
e. It is presumed, absent any valid rebuttal, by Phil Persails and/or Dan Papp, to the contrary, that the phrase “…shall not participate in the determination of the charges…” means, in this particular matter, that Phil Persails and Dan Papp: (1) shall not be present during the applicable hearing except as witnesses; (2) shall not participate in discussion nor discuss the related matter during any meeting of the House Committee except as witnesses; (3) shall not be present for the purpose of voting upon any proposed sanctions during the House Committee Hearing unless said House Committee member is neither a partial witness (favoring the accused over the accuser or vice-versa) nor the accused.
f. LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser’s participation in the social quarters is conditioned upon Jim conducting himself “…in a gentlemanly/ladylike and orderly manner…”

Please note:

LOOM House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser’s Social Quarters privileges may, at the discretion of qualified, non-excluded House Committee members while in a quorum, be suspended pending the hearing. In the event of suspension pending the hearing Jim Trageser will be prohibited from: (1) entering the Lodge property except to attend official meetings of the order and (2) attending Lodge social functions during said period.

I, Dave Connors, Declarant and Complainant, do hereby swear, declare and affirm that the above written testimony is from my own first-hand witness and observation, except for those elements which are shown as being based on my information and belief.

Respectfully submitted:
By: _________________________________________
Dave Connors, Past Prelate [protected], Declarant
Member, Lodge No. 1874

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To: To Escondido LOOM #1874 House Committee Hearing Officer Jim Trageser, c/o Lodge #1874 Brother Jr. Governor Robert Fleck Jr.:

cc: Michael Leuer, General Governor & General Counsel: mleuer@mooseintl.org, Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Scott Hart, Director General, CEO, shart@mooseintl.org, Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Rodney Hammond, Supreme Governor, rhammond@mooseintl.org, Lodge2056@mooseunits.org
Mike Rios, Director of Membership: mrios@mooseintl.org, Lodge141@mooseunits.org
Jim Waggoner, District 23 for California, jwaggoner@mooseinternational.com
Ron Popper, Jr. Past Governor, Mira Mesa Lodge 2018, Observer of The Hearing: Lodge2108@mooseunits.com

Escondido LOOM #1874
Accused LOOM #1874 Governor Phil Persails
Accuser Dave Connors: Past Prelate [protected]), MID [protected], [protected], mcdavecc@aol.com

House Committee Member Name:__________________________________________________

December 19, 2019 Attempted service upon the House Committee hearing around 6:30 p.m.

Re: 12/19/19 Replacement/Reformatted “Regrouped Charge Sheet”…to replace incomplete/defective 12/18/19 “Regrouped Charge Sheet” for use by House Committee members for this hearing

To My Brothers on the House Committee:

Introduction

Thank you for taking time last night (12/18/19) to conduct a hearing regarding my complaint (containing multiple elements) against Phil Persails concerning an incident on July 30, 2019 in the LOOM #1874 Social Quarters. I was surprised to see Jim Trageser, a relatively new member and a 3 Year Trustee, serving as the Hearing Officer. I was expecting to see who I believe is a more appropriate choice: Jr. Governor Robert Fleck Jr. who, if I recall correctly, has been a LOOM member for decades, held several positions on the LOOM Board (and possibly Governor) during the 1990’s or thereabouts. Nothing against Brother Jim Trageser, but I now have new grave concerns that accused Administrator Dan Papp, who, on December 17, 2019 recused himself (due to conflict of interest and lack of impartiality) from this matter as an accused party, may have unduly influenced the choice of Hearing Officer for the 12/18/19 hearing. But these new concerns will be handled on another occasion.

Next, I was surprised and also gravely concerned over a document presented to me by Hearing Officer Jim Trageser. At first glance, it appeared that somebody on the House Committee had modified and rewritten my complaint against Governor Phil. Brother Jim claimed that the purpose of this untitled document was to “regroup” the elements of my complaint against Governor Phil. A copy of this “regroup” document was presented to each House Committee member and to the Accuser Dave for use during witness testimony. This “regroup of charges” document had no Accuser name, no date, no name of issuer, no signature of issuer and no references whatsoever to my numerous charges of Dan’s Section 48.8 violations. Plus most of my supporting written testimony was completely gone from this “regroup” document. Nothing against Brother Jim Trageser, but I now have new grave concerns that accused Administrator Dan Papp, who, on December 17, 2019, recused himself (conflict of interest and lack of impartiality) from this matter as an accused party, may have written this “regroup” document for the dishonest and immoral purpose of censoring my complaint against Governor Phil, keeping relevant testimony away from House Committee members and corrupting the record against any future by third parties. But these new concerns will be handled on another occasion.

I noticed that no members of the House Committee, other than Hearing Officer Jim, had any of my original complaints in front of them. Most House Committee members, upon questioning, seemed to have never even seen, much less read, my actual complaint(s) against the accused Governor Phil. When I attempted to launch an effort to place my actual complaints in front of each House Committee member, Hearing Officer Jim blocked this effort and directed that only this “regroup” document would be used during testimony. Nothing against Brother Jim Trageser, but I now have new grave concerns that accused Administrator Dan Papp, who, on December 17, 2019, recused himself (conflict of interest and lack of impartiality) from this matter as an accused party, may have dishonestly and immorally/unduly influenced or colluded with Brother Jim to keep the Accuser’s actual complaint away from the House Committee members. But these new concerns will be handled on another occasion.

The long-term survival of LOOM #1874, as well as Moose International, is impossible without officers’ and members’ constant and continuing best efforts towards fraternalism, honesty, morality, integrity, fairness, due-process, equitable enforcement of decorum, and good-faith compliance with the General Laws.

Around September 1, 2019, I (Dave Connors, Member, Past Prelate [protected])), hereafter Dave, reviewed the records (related to my prior complaints (served upon House Committee Chairman/Governor Phil around July 31, 2019 and August 14, 2019) regarding House Committee Chairman/Governor Phil’s actions on July 30, 2019 while Governor Phil was in the Social Quarters and have, as a result of said review, reaffirmed the following:

In accordance with the prior submitted August 30, 2019 email directive (directing Dave to submit the following Disciplinary Charges to the House Committee) from Moose International General Governor T. Michael Leuer and Section 48.8 of the General Laws, I am hereby filing this affirmed complaint (consisting of multiple Charges) against Governor Phil. Specifically, I am charging Governor Phil with multiple violations of Section 48.8 and Section 55.3 consisting of my ensuing charges that Governor Phil did the following:

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Charges # 1 through 16, each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., Governor Phil violated Section 48.8 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 48.8 - The House Committee shall be responsible for maintaining decorum in an equitable manner for all members. During all social functions, it is the duty of the House Committee to enforce and maintain proper decorum at all times. Participation in the social quarters of any lodge is a privilege and not a right of membership. This privilege is conditioned upon all persons conducting themselves, while in and about any social quarters, home or during activities sponsored by the lodge or House Committee, in a gentlemanly/ladylike and orderly manner. Any person, who fails to comply with this law, shall be denied the privileges of the social quarters or home at the discretion of the House Committee which includes all social activities sponsored by the lodge. The House Committee, upon receiving a complaint or on its own accord, shall investigate and take appropriate action regarding any alleged breach of decorum…

A House Committee hearing is an informal investigatory process. Any officer charged with a social quarters rule violation or who has a family member related by blood or marriage charged shall not participate in the determination of the charges. Any officer who has an interest in the outcome, which would prevent him from being fair and impartial, should not participate in the determination of the charges…

(Note: The authority of the House Committee is limited to this section. References to chapters or sections contained under "Disciplinary Proceedings" are incorrect. Disciplinary proceedings involving formal charges between members are not under the jurisdiction of the House Committee. Any questions concerning the responsibilities and authority of the House Committee should be directed to the office of the General Governor.)

Charge numbers as follows:

1. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly (without convening a House Committee session with a quorum of five House Committee members present) signed, issued (and improperly colluding with then Acting Administrator Dan to serve) an improper, null, void and unenforceable “Notice of Suspension” upon Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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2. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly (without convening a House Committee session with a quorum of five House Committee members present) signed, issued (and improperly colluded with then Acting Administrator Dan to serve) an improper, null, void and unenforceable “Notice of Suspension” upon Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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3. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly failed to conduct a proper House Committee investigation prior to issuing said “Notice of Suspension” to Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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4. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) failed to conduct a proper House Committee investigation prior to issuing said “Notice of Suspension” to Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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5. In that Phil supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1. [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Phil (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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6. In that Phil improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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7. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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8. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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9. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil), based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bullied, coerced, intimidated and manipulated Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Dan, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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10. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil), based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bullied, coerced, intimidated and manipulated Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Dan, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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11. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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12. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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13. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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14. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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15. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Dan (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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16. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”) and 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both, without proper basis (written complaints and proper House Committee hearing) ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].

Charges # 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., then Acting Administrator Dan Papp violated Section 55.3.1 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:

1. Dishonest or immoral conduct, habitual drunkenness or any other disreputable act(s) tending to reflect discredit upon the Order;

Charge numbers as follows:

1. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly (without convening a House Committee session with a quorum of five House Committee members present) signed, issued (and improperly colluding with then Acting Administrator Dan to serve) an improper, null, void and unenforceable “Notice of Suspension” upon Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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3. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly failed to conduct a proper House Committee investigation prior to issuing said “Notice of Suspension” to Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.

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5. In that Phil supported and helped Phil to improperly fail to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1. [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Phil (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].

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7. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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9. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil), based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bullied, coerced, intimidated and manipulated Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Dan, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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11. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.
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13. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.1.

Charges # 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., then Acting Administrator Dan Papp violated Section 55.3.2 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:
2. Violation of all or any part of the membership obligation;

Charge numbers as follows:

2. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) improperly (without convening a House Committee session with a quorum of five House Committee members present) signed, issued (and improperly colluding with then Acting Administrator Dan to serve) an improper, null, void and unenforceable “Notice of Suspension” upon Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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4. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner, when he (Phil) failed to conduct a proper House Committee investigation prior to issuing said “Notice of Suspension” to Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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6. In that Phil improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room by telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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8. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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10. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil), based on my (Dave’s) information and belief, bullied, coerced, intimidated and manipulated Bartender Donna Stout, lacking any written complaint against Dave, to either: (1) lie that Dave had verbally abused her (Donna) and/or (2) keep silent while Dan, Phil and/or others claimed that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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12. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violationof the Obligation of Membership).
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14. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership).
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Charges # 7, 11, 13 each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., then Acting Administrator Dan Papp violated Section 55.3.9 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:
9. Preferring false charges against any member of either the Supreme Lodge or any lodge, or maliciously making false or untrue statements concerning the character of any member or officer, or interfering with the performance of the duties of any member or officer or representative of such office.

Charge numbers as follows:

7. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent a written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had verbally abused Bartender Donna Stout… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.9.
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11. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…intimidated other members…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.9.
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13. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly transmitted (via the null and void “Notice of Suspension”) false and unsupported claims (absent any written complaint from one or more claimants) that Dave had “…blocked access to the bar…”… in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.9.

Charges # 15 and 16, each as separate, alleges that on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 sometime between 6:30 pm and 8:30 p.m., then Acting Administrator Dan Papp violated Section 55.3.9 of the General Laws as follows:

Sec. 55.3 – Reasons for Discharge of Officers or Members – Any member or officer of any lodge, chapter or unit charged under the procedures of Chapter 56, may be fined, removed, suspended or expelled from office or from the lodge, chapter or unit, or from both, for any of the following causes:
25. Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning.

Charge numbers as follows:

15. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8 & 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both ejected and suspended by Dan (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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16. In that Phil breached decorum, through ungentlemanly conduct and manner when he (Phil) improperly failed to equitably enforce decorum against WOTM Officer Lydia Persails (Phil’s wife) (after Lydia started verbally abusing Dave from across the room in ways such as telling Dave to “…Kiss my [Lydia’s] [censored]” and other verbal abuses) in a act by Phil, of favoritism, cronyism, unequal and unfair treatment against Dave in violation of General Laws Sections 48.8, 55.3.25 (“Failure to perform or comply with the duties of the office to which he/she is elected that could cause the fraternal unit to cease functioning”) and 55.3.2 (violation of the Obligation of Membership). [Phil did not sanction Lydia with ejection or suspension this evening for her abusive acts against Dave, while Dave was both, without proper basis (written complaints and proper House Committee hearing) ejected and suspended (albeit in violation of House Committee procedures)].
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Member Dan Papp and the rest of the House Committee are advised, pursuant to Section 48.8, that:
a. “Any member or guest may file a complaint with the House Committee concerning alleged misconduct occurring during a social function.”
b. “Any officer charged with a social quarters rule violation…shall not participate in the determination of the charges.”
c. Since House Committee Member/Treasurer/Acting Administrator Dan Papp “has an interest [history of ungentlemanly cronyism, collusion and conspiracy with Phil Persails and bias/prejudice against Dave] in the outcome which would prevent him [Dan Papp] from being fair and impartial”, then Dan Papp “should not participate in the determination of the charges.”
d. It is presumed, absent any valid rebuttal, by Phil Persails and/or Dan Papp, to the contrary, that the phrase “…shall not participate in the determination of the charges…” means, in this particular matter, that Phil Persails and Dan Papp: (1) shall not be present during the applicable hearing except as witnesses; (2) shall not participate in discussion nor discuss the related matter during any meeting of the House Committee except as witnesses; (3) shall not be present for the purpose of voting upon any proposed sanctions during the House Committee Hearing unless said House Committee member is neither a partial witness (favoring the accused over the accuser or vice-versa) nor the accused.
e. Acting Administrator Dan Papp, as a Member of the House Committee, along with the House Committee itself, was and is responsible for maintaining decorum in an equitable manner at all times.
f. It is the duty of Acting Administrator Dan Papp, as a highly influential member of the House Committee, along with the House Committee itself, to enforce and maintain proper decorum at all times.
g. Acting Administrator Dan Papp’s participation in the social quarters is conditioned upon Dan conducting himself “…in a gentlemanly/ladylike and orderly manner…”

Please note:

Acting Administrator/House Committee Member Dan Papp’s Social Quarters privileges may, at the discretion of qualified, non-excluded House Committee members while in a quorum, be suspended pending the hearing. In the event of suspension pending the hearing Acting Administrator/House Committee Member Dan Papp will be prohibited from: (1) entering the Lodge property except to attend official meetings of the order and (2) attending Lodge social functions during said period.

Respectfully submitted:
By: _______________________________
Dave Connors, Past Prelate [protected]
Member, Lodge No. 1874

-----Original Message-----
From: mcdavecc
To: mleuer ; 28robert ; 28robertrobert ; alankosbab
Cc: JWaggoner ; shart ; mrios ; rhammond ; Lodge2056 ; Lodge2655
Sent: Wed, Dec 18, 2019 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: December 18 2019 Dave Connors' Supplemental Motion To Continue/(Postpone) - Dan/'s Fatally Defective 12/13/19 Notice of Hearing

Ok...we will let you know what the House Committee...finally absent Dan and Phil...decides to do.

Sincerely,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Leuer
To: 'mcdavecc@aol.com' ; 28robert@gmail.com ; 28robertrobert@gmail.com ; alankosbab@att.com
Cc: Jim Waggoner ; Scott Hart ; Mike Rios ; rhammond@mooseintl.org ; Lodge2056@mooseunits.org ; Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Sent: Wed, Dec 18, 2019 12:23 pm
Subject: RE: December 18 2019 Dave Connors' Supplemental Motion To Continue/(Postpone) - Dan/'s Fatally Defective 12/13/19 Notice of Hearing

All-
Again, I have reviewed the Dec 11th Notice of Hearing, requesting the presence of Dave Connors as a witness. In the opinion of my office, the notice is sufficient under Section 48.8 of the General Laws to hold the 12/18/19 Hearing this evening, if the House Committee desires to do such.
Sincerely,

T. Michael Leuer
General Governor
Moose International, Inc.
630.859.6637
mleuer@mooseintl.org

From: mcdavecc@aol.com [mailto:mcdavecc@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:32 PM
To: 28robert@gmail.com; 28robertrobert@gmail.com; alankosbab@att.com
Cc: Mike Leuer; Jim Waggoner; Scott Hart; Mike Rios; rhammond@mooseintl.org; Lodge2056@mooseunits.org; Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Subject: December 18 2019 Dave Connors' Supplemental Motion To Continue/(Postpone) - Dan/'s Fatally Defective 12/13/19 Notice of Hearing

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To: Brother Robert Fleck, Jr., Acting Chairman of The House Committee
Fr: Dave Connors
Re: Proposed 12/18/19 hearing on Dave's complaints against Governor Phil Persails, WOTM Officer Lydia Persails, Administrator Dan Papp

Supplemental Motion To Continue/(Postpone) - Dan/'s Fatally Defective 12/13/19 Notice of Hearing

WHEREAS:

This motion supplements and is in addition to Dave's prior 12/13/19 Motion To Continue (Postpone) and well as Dave's 12/16/19 Motion to Quash (Strike or Invalidate) Brother Dan Papp's 12/12/19 Notice of Hearing for Wednesday 12/18/19. Approving Dave's 12/16/19 Motion To Quash would automatically postpone this hearing to a to be determined future date.
On Tuesday December 17th at around 2:30 pm PST, Brother Adminstrator/House Committee Hearing Officer and accused party Dan Papp recused himself from this hearing for conflict of interest and lack of impartiality (see email in the Exhibit below).
On Tuesday December 17th at around 2:30 pm PST, Brother Governor/House Committee Chairman and accused party Phil Persails, through his apparent agent/representative Dan Papp, recused himself from this hearing for conflict of interest and lack of impartiality (see email in the Exhibit below). There remains the question (for another occasion) as to whether Section 48.8 allows an accused party (Phil Persails) to have another accused party (Dan Papp) as his (Phil's) representative in this matter.
re·cus·al

/riˈkyo͞ozəl/
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noun
North American•South African
noun: recusal; plural noun: recusals
the withdrawal of a judge, prosecutor, or juror from a case on the grounds that they are unqualified to perform legal duties because of a possible conflict of interest or lack of impartiality.

Dan Papp's recusal from this hearing is Dan's admission of and support to the claim that: (1) Dan has conflict of interest and lacks impartiality (as an accused party); (2) Dan should have been retroactively barred, with or without his self-imposed recusal, beginning with the July 30, 2019 Lydia Persails' "kiss my [Lydia's] [censored]" incident, from any "determination of the charges" in this matter; (3) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil issue the null and void "notice of suspension on July 30, 2019; (4) Dan should have been barred from wrongfully kicking Dave (and everybody else who was present) out of the social quarters on July 31, 2019; (5) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil issue the null and void August 1, 2019 "notice of suspension" against Dave; (6) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil interview witnesses against Dave on August 12, 2019; (7) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil conduct the sham House Committee hearing against Dave on August 13, 2019; (8) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil issue the null, void and illegal 6 month (ending January 31, 2020) suspension; (9) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil issue the null and void December 12, 2019 Notice of Hearing; (10) Dan should have been barred from helping Governor Phil negotiate, via email, with Dave regarding the postponement of the 12/18/19 House Committee hearing.
Phil Persails' recusal from this hearing is Phil's admission of and support to the claim that: (1) Phil has conflict of interest and lacks impartiality (as an accused party); (2) Phil should have been retroactively barred, with or without his self-imposed recusal, beginning with the July 30, 2019 Lydia Persails' "kiss my [Lydia's] [censored]" incident, from any "determination of the charges" in this matter; (3) Phil should have been barred from issuing the null and void "notice of suspension on July 30, 2019; (4) Phil should have been barred from wrongfully attempting to kick Dave out of the social quarters on July 31, 2019; (5) Phil should have been barred from issuing the null and void August 1, 2019 "notice of suspension" against Dave; (6) Phil should have been barred from interviewing witnesses against Dave on August 12, 2019; (7) Phil should have been barred from conducting the sham House Committee hearing against Dave on August 13, 2019; (8) Phil should have been barred from issuing the null, void and illegal 6 month (ending January 31, 2020); (9) Phil should have been barred from issuing the null and void December 12, 2019 Notice of Hearing; (10) Phil should have been barred from negotiating, via email and through his representative Dan Papp, with Dave regarding the postponement of the 12/18/19 House Committee hearing.
Jr. Governor Robert Fleck, Jr., along with the qualified non-recused remainder of the House Committee, has had little or no opportunity to review Dave's multiple complaints against Phil and/or Dan and/or Lydia from around the following dates: Dec. 31, 2018; Jan. 02, 2019; July 30, 2019; July 31, 2019; Aug. 01, 2019; Aug. 12, 2019 and Aug. 13, 2019.
Jr. Governor Robert Fleck, Jr., along with the qualified non-recused remainder of the House Committee, are basically going to receive a ridiculously short period of 90 minutes (5:30 pm to 7:00 pm) on 12/18/19 to review & digest scores of pages of Dave's complaints before they are supposed to hear from witnesses and make rulings at starting at 7:00 pm the same evening.
Governor Phil imposed undue hardship upon Brother Robert Fleck, Jr. and the remainder of the House Committee by improperly (while in conflict of interest) scheduling the 12/18/19 hearing on the same night as Guitar Night (6-8 pm), WOTM Board Meeting (6:30 pm to 7:00 pm) and the WOTM General Meeting (7 pm).
Governor Phil imposed undue hardship upon Brother Robert Fleck, Jr. and the remainder of the House Committee by improperly (while in conflict of interest) stalling for five months and then scheduling (while under conflict of interest) the 12/18/19 hearing...for seven days before Christmas...when there was no urgency and the majority of irreversible and irreparable damage to Dave and Lodge Membership (4.5 months of unlawful suspension against Dave) was already done.
Jr. Governor Robert Fleck, Jr., along with the qualified non-recused remainder of the House Committee, has complete freedom, authority (free of any undue influence from Dan and/or Phil) and discretion regarding postponing the 12/18/19 hearing for good reasons they see as fit and in accordance with the General Laws.
By submitting their recusals, both Phil and Dan have admitted that the 12/12/18 Notice of Hearing (which seems to compel Dave to either attend the hearing, present dozens of Dave's complaints in 1 to 2 hours or face dismissal with prejudice) is null, void, and without lawful effect upon anybody...Dave, Robert Fleck, Jr., nor any of the House Committee Members.
The protection of confidentiality of House Committee hearings does not apply during actual (or the appearance of) corrupt actions by Lydia Persails. Phil Persails and/or Dan Papp.

THEREFORE:

Dave hereby submits this honorable petition and fraternal request, in the interest of justice, fairness and avoidance of unnecessary holiday season stress, TO CONTINUE/POSTPONE this 12/18/19 hearing until sometime after the new year (2020) at such time that: (1) occurs after the Lodge has recovered from current financial straits; (2) gives Robert Fleck Jr. and the remainder of the House Committee reasonable time to review all of Dave's charges against Lydia, Dan and Phil: (3) on a date which does not fall near a busy holiday or other major LOOM event; (4) on a date that is convenient and non-stressful to all parties and witnesses.

Finally, I will stipulate to notification of postponement of this hearing from Robert Fleck, Jr. by email (28robert@gmail.com or 28robertrobert@gmail.com) or by phone if it will avoid all of us having to unnecessarily show up at the Lodge tonight (12/18/19) and so House Committee Member Alan Kosbab can enjoy his Guitar Night.

Respectfully submitted:

Dave Connors. Past Prelate [protected])
[protected]

ATTACHED EXHIBIT BELOW: Emails wrongfully (while Dan Papp was recused or should have been recused from July 31, 2019) sent while Dan Papp was in conflict due to requirement for retroactive recusal from participation in determination of any charges while Dan is (and was from July 31, 2019) a charged party in these matters.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lodge1874@mooseunits.org
To: mcdavecc ; newsletter
Cc: mleuer ; shart ; Lodge2056 ; Lodge2655 ; mrios ; rhammond ; JWaggoner ; 28robert ; 28robertrobert ; alankosbab
Sent: Tue, Dec 17, 2019 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: Dan Papp's request that I respond by 10 pm PST
Dave, Dan Papp I understand that you disagree with the process but the process has been correct. You have known for some time that this hearing would occur. As you said the holidays are busy and this was the only day the members had open. Being that you advised scheduling was not the issue this date works effectively. The hearing will be held on December 18, 2019 at 7:00 PM. This hearing is dedicated to your charges against Phil Persails and me levied by you as you identified them in your documents. No other matters will be addressed. Additionally, Phill Persails and I have discussed the issue you have with us being at the hearing and have agreed to recuse ourselves from the hearing. You and your witnesses are encouraged to be prepared to address all items you have delineated. No new issues will be addressed. Again, the hearing will be held at the Escondido Moose Lodge #1874 at 7:00 PM tomorrow. Dan Papp, Administrator

To Brother Governor Phil (via Phil's agent/representative Dan Papp):

Thank you for re-sending the email with your three options for rescheduling the hearing.

Your assumption/presumption that I want these complaints (matters) resolved expeditiously is nowhere near correct. It is completely wrong.

I want these complaints (matters) resolved properly, carefully, diligently, in compliance with the General Laws and absent any actual or appearance of favoritism, cronyism, nepotism, prejudice, bias, undue influence and the like. Since I will have waited anywhere from five months (July/August complaints) to twelve months (December 31, 2019/January 2nd 2019 complaints), I have become very patient with what I believe are corrupt antics perpetrated by Governor Phil, WOTM officer Lydia and Administrator Dan Papp.

I have served 4.5 months of what I believe will be proven to be an invalid, null and void 6 month (ending January 31, 2020) suspension for allegedly speaking harshly to a bartender (who was so mad she let me stay at the bar and kept serving me) and blocking people from approaching the entire bar while I was seated way over at the far end.

Contrast the above scenario with the Escondido House Committee handing down a paltry 6 week suspension to Moose Member Larry P. after Larry was caught red-handed stealing a full bottle of liquor from an off-limits liquor storage room, swearing at bartenders with the F word, touching members inappropriately without their permission, including sticking his hand up Dave Connors' shirt without Dave's permission to where Dave had to physically restrain Larry.

Contrast the above further with the Escondido House Committee failing, four and one half months after 3 people submitted written July 30, 2019 complaints against Governor Phil Persail's WOTM officer wife Lydia Persails for (and apologizing for) loudly yelling at Dave to kiss her (Lydia's) [censored] in front all the people in the Social Quarters, failing to even schedule a House Committee hearing regarding Lydia's admitted offenses. It is obvious to every reasonable LOOM and WOTM member that Lydia continues to wrongfully receive no consequences because she is the wife of another accused party (Phil Persails) who happens to be the Governor and Chairman of the House Committee. How is that fair? How is that compliant with the General Laws?

Your first choice ("...rearrange your schedule to make the original date") makes no sense as my two motions to continue/postpone had nothing to do with any personal schedule conflict...and everything to do with other defects as fully described in my three motions to continue and my three motions to quash the defective hearing notice (notwithstanding the General Governor's unofficial opinion that it was sufficient under Section 48).

Your second choice (just skip the hearing and submit documents and witnesses) makes no sense again since it is not about my schedule conflicts...and the fact is that it would be ridiculous for me to go through all this effort and then just choose not to appear and to submit documents to what I believe is a House Committee that has been compromised by Phil and Dan, as accused parties, where Phil and Dan are very likely to wrongly serve as hearing officers in a hearing while they are both accused parties...in clear violation of Section 48.8.

Your third choice (supply 3 or 4 open dates between now and January 3, 2020) makes no sense as it would be impossible, on or before January 3, 2020, to: (1) have a formal hearing with District and/or Moose International authorities and obtain a final official ruling on the propriety of Dan and Phil "participating in the determination of the charges" during a House Committee hearing while they (Phil and Dan) are both accused parties and/or (2) obtain a firm promise from both Dan and Phil that they will in no way be present, vote, discuss, sit-in or otherwise "participate in the determination of the charges" (other than as witnesses) which, in my view, would be a blatant, knowing and willful violation of Section 48.8.

THEREFORE: It is my choice that we (the House Committee and myself) meet, in person, during the 2nd regular House Committee hearing of January 2020 for the purpose of trying to work these matters out in a fraternal manner. I believe it is the proper and honorable to give the entire House Committee a chance to be part of this discussion. This will also give all interested parties a chance to seek official, impartial, unbiased, cronyism-free rulings from Moose International. This will also give LOOM #1874 freedom to focus on rescuing this Lodge from its current dire financial straits...which should clearly take priority and for which I am fully willing to continue/postpone the resolution of these matters while I do what I can to help with the Lodge financial troubles.

Finally, I am glad that we are now communicating, if only by email at this time. I look forward to our face to face fraternal meeting in January 2020 to work through these matters in a fraternal manner.

Regards.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Lodge1874@mooseunits.org
To: mcdavecc
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 7:16 pm

Brother Dave,
I am sure that you wish these matters to be resolved expeditiously as much as the House Committee does. In that light, the investigative hearing date options are three:
1. If you can possibly rearrange your schedule to make the original date.
2. You may submit the complaints using the documents and charge sheets you provided and have the House Committee make its findings based on those documents. This would constitute your waiver of the abilityto appear before the investigative hearingand presenting your case. You would still be able to have witnesses appear present on your behalf.
3. If you can supply three or four open dates that suit you, between now and January 3, 2019, I will canvas the House Committee members and see if any of your open dates will work for all or any of them.
All of the violations alleged by you will be the subject of the investigative hearing. Be prepared to address all of the issues you have raised. Should any item not be addressed the House Committee is prepared to address it at that time as long as it has been delineated within the documents you submitted. Be cognizant of the fact that you provided the documents making the allegations and it is presumed that you are aware of their contents. The time of the investigative hearing will be at 7:00 PM on any of the days it is held due to its members having to work.
Please contact me with your decision so that I can proceed on the scheduling of the meeting.
Dan Papp, Administrator

-----Original Message-----
From: Lodge1874@mooseunits.org
To: mcdavecc
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 7:16 pm
Brother Dave,

The Lodge computer was in the repair shop. Apparently the email forwarded by Jim Waggoner did not carry your email address over. Attached as a word file is the text. Please contact me before 10:00 PM PST with your selection of the options.

Dan Papp, Administrator
Re: I never received any email from you, Dan, delineating any options your are offering regarding postponing the hearing.

Mon, Dec 16, 2019 6:46 pm
Brother Dan...just to be clear...I am definitely in favor of postponing the 12/18 hearing until sometime after the holidays. Please take note that by accepting a postponement of the hearing, I am not agreeing to any "options"...but especially those options involving my admission of any guilt or any action in violation, apologies from me (as I believe I did nothing wrong), dropping any complaints or letting it go, nor any form or amount of

I still hope to hear from you by phone tonight...as I do not have your phone number...nor do I have Charly's

Thank you.
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: mcdavecc
To: Lodge1874
Cc: newsletter ; mleuer ; JWaggoner ; 28robert ; 28robertrobert ; mrios ; shart ; rhammond ; Lodge2655 ; Lodge2056

Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 5:47 pm

Subject: Re: I never received any email from you, Dan, delineating any options your are offering regarding postponing the hearing.
Brother Dan:

I am responding to you on the basis that Brother Phil has given you authority to act for and as him as his agent/representative. I am also responding to you on the basis that, as Phil's agent/representative, any violation you commit will be treated as if that same violation was committed by Brother Phil himself.

If this is not the case...please cease communication with me on this matter and refer all correspondence to Brother Governor Phil. If this is the case, I respond to you as follows:

1. I emailed Lodge1874@mooseunits several times on Friday 12/13 and they failed to get through. I sent several emails to Brother Governor Phil at newsletter@moose1874.org because the other email kept failing.

2. I have no problem with this matter being transparent to the membership. In fact, I believe that the Moose culture of lack of transparency contributes to the increased risks leading to eventual conditions where the LOOM unit ceases to function. Transparency promotes fair dealing, greatly aids member retention and increases growth in membership. Lack of transparency leads to suspicion of corruption, resentment and severe loss of membership which leads to financial dire straits.

3. I have not received any email from you spelling out any offers regarding continuation/postponement of the 12/18 hearing...by the way...is the hearing at the Escondido Moose Lodge?...is the hearing at 5:30 pm or 7 pm? How can I know which witnesses and exhibits to bring since Brother Phil did not indicate in his notice which complaints and which dates are being heard on 12/18? How can you have a House Committee hearing at 7 pm when the WOTM are having their meetings on the same night at the same time?

Are you and Phil going to be participating in the determination of charges at a hearing where both you and Phil are charged (accused) parties? Doesn't this violate Section 48.8?

Please resend your email this evening and I will respond this evening...I have been busy all day until around 530 pm tonight and I have not had access to the internet as my cell phone is an older unit that does not get the internet.

5. Or you can just fraternally call me at [protected] tonight and we can discuss it without "locking antlers".

Regards.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Lodge1874@mooseunits.org
To: mcdavecc
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2019 11:22 am
Brother Dave, I have not received a reply to my email delineating the options open to you regarding the postponement of the hearing date. I need a reply by 5:00 PM PST on 12/16/19, or the hearing date stays as is. Your reply does not guarantee a granting of the motion to continue to another date. Should you not appear the House Committee shall determine the merits of your case based on the documents submitted by you. Additionally, due to your electronically copying the Lodge publication your case documents, you are not concerned about the confidentiality aspect of the House Committee and it may be considered as a waiver of that privilege. Dan Papp, Administrator

From: mcdavecc@aol.com [mailto:mcdavecc@aol.com]

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Cc: mrios@mooseintl.org; memberemail@mooseunits.org; shart@mooseintl.org; alankosbab@att.net; rhammond@mooseintl.org; 28robert@gmail.com; 28robertrobert@gmail.com; Lodge141@mooseunits.org; Lodge2056@mooseunits.org; Lodge2108@mooseunits.org; Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2020 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: Membership Workshop on February 22nd - Request To Be A Presenter

Brother Mike:

Your wish to review my white paper before it is presented appears to be indicative of what is one of the major problems with the Fraternity...unequal treatment in the form of favoritism toward officers to the detriment of the membership and the Fraternity as a whole.

Are you screening all the materials to be presented at the Regional Workshop or just my submission?

If you are screening just my submission that is a problem. If you are screening just certain submissions because they might shed light on problems of corruption among the officers that is a bigger problem. If you are screening all submissions then we all might be better off joining some religious cult.

If Brother Mike Rios does not want me to present at this Workshop, then I don't really see any point in sending my white paper to you for advance review (censoring).

Tell your buddy Dan that Dave says Hi.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Leuer
To: 'mcdavecc@aol.com' ; Jim Waggoner
Cc: Mike Rios ; memberemail@mooseunits.org ; Scott Hart ; alankosbab@att.net ; rhammond@mooseintl.org ; 28robert@gmail.com ; 28robertrobert@gmail.com ; Lodge141@mooseunits.org ; Lodge2056@mooseunits.org ; Lodge2108@mooseunits.org ; Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Sent: Mon, Jan 20, 2020 9:47 am
Subject: RE: Membership Workshop on February 22nd - Request To Be A Presenter

Jim,
I do not believe this is an efficient nor productive use of our members time; I understand that the Regional Workshops have been very well reviewed for positive and constructive recommendations for attracting and retaining Moose members. If Brother Dave has ideas that he would like to share regarding positive actions that can improve our fraternity, ie his whitepaper, I would ask him to forward them to my office for review.
Thanks, Mike.

T. Michael Leuer
General Governor
Moose International, Inc.
630.859.6637
mleuer@mooseintl.org

From: mcdavecc@aol.com [mailto:mcdavecc@aol.com]

Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:14 AM
To: Jim Waggoner
Cc: Mike Rios; Mike Leuer; memberemail@mooseunits.org; Scott Hart; alankosbab@att.net; rhammond@mooseintl.org; 28robert@gmail.com; 28robertrobert@gmail.com; Lodge141@mooseunits.org; Lodge2056@mooseunits.org; Lodge2108@mooseunits.org; Lodge2655@mooseunits.org
Subject: Membership Workshop on February 22nd - Request To Be A Presenter

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Hello Brother Waggoner:

Thank you for helping to organize the Moose International workshops in Brea and San Jose, California during February and March, 2020.

I am offering to present a white paper, written by me, entitled "Common Issues Threatening The Existence of The Fraternity and The Solutions" at the February 22nd, 2020 Regional Membership Workshop to be held at the Brea, California Lodge.

I am also offering to sit on the panel as a LOOM member who has extensively studied and experienced the misguided application and deficiencies of certain LOOM General Laws...all of which places the future existence of the Fraternity at risk of ceasing to exist.

If accepted, please schedule my presentation for after the lunch break. As you know, people are sometimes a little sleepy after a big lunch and a beer or three. I guarantee you that nobody will be sleeping through my presentation.

Fraternal Respects,

Dave Connors, LOOM #1874
Past Prelate [protected]
Escondido, California
[protected]

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From: Moose International
To: memberemail@mooseunits.org
Sent: Wed, Jan 8, 2020 8:10 am
Subject: Buena Park Moose Lodge hosts Membership Workshop on February 22nd
Regional Membership Workshops

Moose International’s Membership Department will be conducting two regional workshops to discuss recruitment and retention challenges, as well as methods to address common issues expressed by Lodges and Chapters throughout the Fraternity.

Scheduled workshops include:

February 22nd – Buena Park, CA Lodge 1945
March 7th – San Jose, CA Lodge 401

What you will learn from attending:

New programs to help attract and retain members and make your lodge more profitable.
Marketing ideas for the fraternity.
Strategies for retaining members through a monthly program of communication, programming, and activity tracking.
Review of the all new Online Mobile Application.
Communicating the value of the Moose to potential members.
Best membership practices from around the Fraternity.

Details:

All interested Loyal Order of Moose or Women of the Moose members are invited to participate.
There is no fee to attend.
You may attend any workshop on the schedule, regardless of your location.
All workshops run from 10:00am – 3:00pm, allowing most individuals the option of driving in and out the same day.
A working lunch is provided by each Lodge at a cost of $8.00 per attendee. Cash will be collected at the Lodge the day of each workshop.
All workshops are business casual-to-casual dress.
Sessions are meant to be interactive between participants and presenters. Please bring questions and suggestions.
Please check the Lodge websites for any evening activities prior to or following the workshops.
RSVP’s are required to attend in order to allow for the proper amount of materials and food.

Email the following information to the appropriate address below:
Membership Growth & Retention workshop (followed by):
Your name; MID#; Lodge/Chapter #; Lodge/Chapter office you hold (if any);
names of others accompanying you; a contact phone #; and an email address
For Buena Park: jwaggoner@mooseintl.org (RSVP Deadline: Wednesday, Februay 19th)
For San Jose: jwaggoner@mooseintl.org (RSVP Deadline: Wednesday, March 4th)

Questions? Please email the contacts above for information pertaining to a specific site.
Links:

Moose International

Mooseheart

Moosehaven

Moose Charities

Evidently no one from the Headquarters read these posts

My lodge does not consistently check backgrounds. There are a few felons as members, including at least one officer.

My sister is a member of the Woman of the Moose in Washington State. She stole several inheritances from her family. Her profession is real estate, sales & broker. She's a multimillionaire now & still enjoying her semi-retirement as a financial predator. That's why she's so loyal to the Moose. They're the many alike.

Wakulla Moose 2510 in Panacea Florida is governed by an unethical group of officers. They are self-serving. If you don't belong to their special group, they will find a way to publicly embarrass you.

MI threatened the lodge in Kansas City, KS and the governor is taking a lot of heat for it. They told him that the lodge had to go 85% non-smoking or they would force them to go 100% non-smoking which would probably result in them losing over half their members. Now most members have to cram into a small area of the lodge. MI had no problem with the cash payouts on the gaming machines or with the lodge making personal loans to the governor, just too many square feet of smoking allowed. Anyone else been threatened by MI over allowing members to smoke (legally in this location FYI)?

I have submitted several comments; all I can say is these people who think they can “run” a lodge are doing it for their own gratification not the members or the main objective of the Organization!

It’s a great place to meet good friends; get cheep drinks and eat meals at reasonable prices at best! I’ll leave the corrupt finances to whoever thinks they can get away with it for as long as they can; life is short, don’t sweat 😓 the stuff you can’t change!

I was on the internet today just checking out the Moose Lodge International for myself. This organization, or someone in the organization has recently spoken to me concerning an idea to help disabled people in our community. This is a very big need in our rural area. I was very excited at the possibility that Moose Lodge International could possibly have the ability to help in this need. However, it seems as though Moose Lodges International need to first figure out how to help themselves before taking on any other charity cases. I feel as though, and have always been told, Moose International is a reputable organization which has become corrupted due to lack of proper governing and leadership. Perhaps it starts at the bottom or better yet, the top. But I hate to see members simply drop out due to corruption before doing everything they can to correct the corruption and get Moose International back on the right path. I hear a lot about the bars in the comments, but not very much about family activities and charities being helped by the Moose International at this time. Personally, I've never seen any good, at least family wise, come out of a bar. If the bars are the revenue for this club, then so be it. But if family and those in need is the focus, maybe a new strategy needs to be developed and put into place for this club. I am sure the club has many business men and women who know how to run a business that could offer some other avenues to do make this club successful again. I wish Moose International a lot of luck in knocking out the corruption and setting things right. Just remember, any business or club is only as good (honest and trustworthy) as it's leadership and membership. Please fix things.

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Just read your post and comments, they sounds so familiar.
Check out my story I just posted to try and correct a lodge.
https://sites.google.com/view/manassas1380exposed

Also working on a facebook page I just started.
https://www.facebook.com/moosewhistleblower

To whom it may concern, Centrville Moose has many problems . Bartenders not certified in food management or tips for bartending . There is a lot of clicks, steeling and felons as members . Lots of cash memberships paid, though the new member never gets a membership card .Mice in kitchen & bar area for 6 months now . Drainage problems in bar . Always cold water in lady's bathroom for years .Jack Stauve voted for Steve Petty and was counted when in fact he is not a member anymore . The valet to vote for Gov was also ridiculous, Steve Petty in really big letters and the runner Denny Leathers was in the smallest font, you could barely see his name . This place is a joke, we need bar rescue, hope you can help make our Moose a better place . Not even family oriented at all ! Thank you, hope you can straighten the board out [protected] Ms. McILwee

### the Moose. Bunch of grey-haired, wrinkly old chain-smoking patrons killing themselves one day at a time. They call it a Family Center. I wouldn't want my kid or any kid around this unhealthy crap. And the "charities" they give to are being paid for by your lungs and your liver along with your money. It's a close-minded little clique with all kinds of gay rules, all to protect their little money train. Support your local bar, not this gay little private ### club.

As a former Governor in a medium sized lodge in west Phoenix, I can tell you that our Lodge is as corrupt as it could get. Not only did the Admin do whatever the hell he wanted, but MI backed it. Before they changed the rules, my board of officers fired the Admin. The next morning, District was in the office threatening to remove me and the other board members. After going through past meeting minutes and finding several forged documents, the district officers TOOK THEM. MI reinstated the Admin. We all tried to play nice, but the Admin started rumors and told lies about myself and several others that caused too much turmoil, so a bunch of us quit. I cannot be a part of an organization that claims to be an institution of morals and standards only to lie cheat and steal. BTW... ever wonder how much money goes into the annual convention? Millions. But Mooseheart looks like run down military housing built in the 50's.

There are things going on where I am too. Good old boy system hard at play and some mysterious money issues, which is why I googled moose complaints. Interesting to see that it's not just at my location. I don't really care enough about it to make it a federal case but I really can't stand liars and thieves and it now seems like the whole organization is full of them, except for a handful who are trying to do the right thing. From the looks of it, the ones who are getting paid just keep wanting more money and time from everyone else.

I found the MI 990 Form on-line and will post the link here:

https://pp-990.s3.amazonaws.com/2014_11_EO/36-1408120_990O_201404.pdf?X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAI7C6X5GT42DHYZIA%2F20160625%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20160625T142530Z&X-Amz-Expires=1800&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=da320e97e1152a82929138b7af2338a56b10afa78f176d5a8490a1d0e65d703e

If you take the time to peruse it, you will find that MI has oodles of money, including 78% ownership in a direct mail marketing company "Diamond Marketing Services" worth 33 million. The former President of MI earns 220k, is that compensation or pension? If Mi wanted to, they could invest some money into their Lodges.

The following link shows the membership triage in Washington State:

http://www.wsnima.org/Membership/MembershipSummary.pdf

Questions?
As I read all this, it sounds like this same things have happened in the past 15 years to lodges all over the country!
What is International's answers to all these complaints? Sounds like each lodge was closed because of the buddy system operations...
In the past 25 years it seem as MI and the local lodges became Buddy Systems operation instead of a Family run organization!
I have been associated with the Moose since 1962 and have seen some great thing happen in the early days, (but as I traveled around the country, work related) I visited some Great run Lodges with great people! I start seeing a decline in the Lodges in the late 70's and it got worst in the 90's.
Saw several Lodges closed because of poor management and MI let it go unchecked.
I keep my member ship up because of Mooseheart, but I think that has gotten away for it original intent!
Being in the 4th largest city (soon to replace Illinois as 3 largest city) had several Lodges, but today has 0!

I haven't been a Moose member for very long, and I'm not comfortable revealing where I am a member but I can say this: our Lodge has gone from a social quarters worth 3 million in 2006 (sold) to a social quarter worth 1.5 million (2016) and must move again be cause we are nearly 100k in arrers int axes. When I ask where the money went I get a lot of generalizations with no specifics. The former Governor will likely be promoted to Regional Governor even though he presided over three years of not paying property taxes. How does that work? The Junior Governor (also a past Governor) has a "friend" who claims to be a broker that they want to contract to sell the current social quarters. That "friend" is also the Junior Governor's landlord. I've looked everywhere to try and find this guy's credentials for commercial brokerage and I can't find it.

I asked the State MI liaison what happens when a Lodge loses its social quarters, and he said the Lodge is the membership. The reality is when a Lodge loses its social quarters, the membership often dwindles to the point where the charter is revoked and MI seizes the assets. There is a neighboring Lodge which is currently going through the process. The process goes like this: 1. don't pay taxes; 2. Sell the social quarters to pay off debt; 3. membership dwindles; 4. Revocation of Charter; 5. MI seizes assets. While it seems like a more productive model for MI to invest in its Lodges, the oppostie seems to be happening.

I think Mooseheart and Moosehaven are great ideas, fifty years ago. Essentially they are an orphanage and a poor farm which as a communal organization were great ideas. These days there are enough government programs to keep children in private homes, and senior citizens in their own homes.It would be interesting to see how many residents of Mooseheart went on to become members of the Lodge in their adult lives. But as someone stated previously on this board, you can't even get an annual report from MI.

I will probably continue to be a member, mostly because I want to see how things turn out.

I used to be a Moose member but is no longer one due to the treatment and Drama that followed but my Husband is still a member...my complaint is... we have been in Hard times several times and our lodge as done nothing to help us.My husband had a bloodclot and pnuemonia which nearly took his life and was hospitalized for a week.The Lodge was aware but still did nothing.On Jan 30th of this year my husband had a stroke.The Lodge again did nothing to help us.Why do only a few people with non threatening issues get benefits done for them and the ones who really need it don"t get anything done for them.Our Lodge shows favoritism and its not right.Its a Family fraternity and all members should be helped.We are raising 2 young grandchildren and could have used the help.I no longer have the respect for the Lodge I once had.Lodge 2219 in Easley S.C.

I am not a member yet but I was very badly treated after making a complaint to there Governor about a woman who is the president of the woman's auxillary. I was thrown out. I am also a person with a disability.

I am in the WOTM as the junior regent in a small town in Ohio. I am willing to help and I have a lot more complaints than what is on this board please contact me @ [protected] or email me @ sarahjane_2324@yahoo.com, I need some help. Is anyone willing to help me as well? If your from my chapter and reading this, I don't care! I have two degrees and am willing to expose what I know in hopes to improve the organization that I would have done anything for months ago.

Our lodge was taken down by the regional manager. I heard him several times say that he was going to make sure it was shut down. Then he got two of the biggest liars and thieves to bring him in to take over. Six months later it was shut down, sold for taxes, and now the vultures are swarming to clean it out. And last I heard the regional manager was promoted. Meanwhile, the administrator who was removed is still on the liquor license and is still responsible for all their screw ups since he left ( fines, not paying bills, etc). Tried getting his name off everything and the new admin lied and slandered him all over the place. And the old admin had his wages attached for the moose, and they kept his income tax return, again! They said it's his personal debt but won't let us in to show them the paperwork to prove it! We are suffering and they are all lying! And the moose is gone.

Moose International is a real looser. If you’re willing to give up your pride and dignity you will go far in this corrupted organization. You have no voice and they let their Regional Manager’s make up their own rules. They hurt those who are honest and caring people and reward their sick and underhanded staff members. They are not interested in the truth but what they can get away with. There was a time I would do anything for the Moose I sure was irresponsible to think I could trust them. They are losing members by the hundreds each year. The reason is this people are fed up with not having a voice.

Update in late April MI released one officer and reinstated him as a Moose member. Suddenly on July 18th they removed the same officer because of an ongoing investigation. Other officer is still "UNDER INVESTIGATION" as of July 22nd is still SUSPENDED with never having been charged with any wrong doing as of now. They installed one of their GOONS as a paid employee $ 600.00 a week, not bad he is not always even there for 40 hours. No recourse because he is a salaried employee. Money is disappearing at an alarming rate soon they will be broke. Then MI gets the building approx. value $ 1.5 not a bad take.

I agree with all of the above, I also know a lodge in Md. that this going through something like what is being described. I have been a member of that lodge for seven years, and have saw a lot going on. The past two years have been the best that this lodge has run in that time. When MI comes in, they take over and do not give any information to the members who are paying the bills at the local lodge, they tell us that they work from a different set of by-laws. They can do what ever they want basically as they have done in this lodge. Came in March 18th. changed the locks on the doors and as of today April 7th they still haven't told us why! Every new member MI gets most of the money is this a pyramid scheme? MI leaders make six digit salaries, while local lodge members volunteer their time to make them money, they tell you it is for Moosehaven and Mooseheart but is it really?