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Frater Dantalion / taking money for so called spell casting

St Loyes House, BedfordBedford, England, Bedfordshire, United Kingdom Review updated:
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I have given this man around £125 to perform a spell. The spell did not work, and when I aksed for further help he then told me that I would have to purchase another spell. He is a rip-off and has taken money fraudulantly from me.
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R
  16th of Oct, 2008
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I just a few days ago also paid him 125 pounds to perform a spell for me. I personally think he is worth while as I have read the ror and see that some people that claim him to be a scam later regret saying it. that makes me to believe you just have to wait and dont expect an overnight miracle.. i mena am i 100% positive it will work well no but im hopeful. i just am sitting back going about my day and goign to watch things unfold.. ill come back in about a month or so to inform if im seein progress.
Ju
  23rd of Oct, 2008
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Frater Dantalion is a scam!!! And You R is fake too!!
R
  27th of Oct, 2008
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im a huge fake i guess.. considering i havent seen any progress yet. so good job there jumping..
Ju
  27th of Oct, 2008
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Not a problem I smell Dantalion from a mile and if you think you can change his reputation ( or yours ) after all the evidence it has been produced than you really have lost it!
R
  7th of Nov, 2008
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yeah cause thats what im doing i forgot.. ?? im just reporting what i know so far from my point of view.. so im not choosing any side but my own. and so far nothing has happened for me worth talking about.
Ju
  11th of Nov, 2008
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well spare us your reports Dantalion he is a Fake end of story! I can prove it!
R
  14th of Nov, 2008
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yeah... ok.. dude your the same one who was calling me a fake on ror too.. want me to drive to chicago or michigan to prove you im not frater?? i go to chicago quite often so if thats where u are its no huge deal to me..
Ro
  15th of Nov, 2008
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R we appreciate keeping us posted about what is going on with u.
Ju
  15th of Nov, 2008
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And Obviously you are not reading ROR properly!!! Cause if you did than you would know more a lot more about me but obviously you are trying to put his reputation back up or yours!!! Well you are not able to anyway Trae DOrn has a great video on his site proving tha Dantalion he is a Fraud!
R
  15th of Nov, 2008
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im happy you think he is a fraud. I am still skeptical, sorry but just cause you believe one way doenst mean the world should belive the same as you. granted i have doubts in anyone who says they can do this and that! so far i still have no results and things seem to be getting worse now.. if i had to say i would say its not working.. but jumping seriously take a chill pill man!
Sh
  20th of Nov, 2008
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Jumping : Please provide hard evidence as to why you believe Frater Dantelion is a fake, rather than just ranting about it and accusing other individuals to be a fake. Otherwise keep quiet!! No-one will ever believe you, if no proof is provided. Remember that.

R: If you're happy with your service then good for you, however it has been said that for a spell to work, one must keep quiet. Indeed, you are the best judge of that.
Me
  20th of Nov, 2008
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There are a few points to make about Dantalion. One, he claims to use Cthulu, a fictional invention of HP Lovecraft, as the power behind his work (it's on his site). Now plenty of people would be quick to say that gods of religions and mystical practices are equally fake, but at least it's somewhat more believable than a character in a book. At least someone actually believes it.

Second, there have been numerous reports made about his services from a number of individuals. This, by itself, doesn't really prove much, especially given the large number of hoax posts on RoR and others to defame competitiors. However, if you look at dantalion's behavior on those sites he also doesn't lend much to his own credibility. The aforementioned trae of trhonline.com has done a pretty good job of documenting some of the truly bizarre emails sent to Trae by Dantalion as well as a progression of site changes to a page on his site that displays some pretty hefty paranoia.

Third, he has engaged in a campaign of slander against Trae and Jens Johanssen (I don't know Jens and frankly I don't even know if he's a real person) before him to slander them and tack their names to a growing list of spellcaster sites as some kind of crazed mastermind ringleader. This campaign is notable for one feature, he never actually proves any of his claims. He peppers it with mini-facts that prove bits and pieces about the spellcasting sites, but never actually ties any of them together or to Trae aside from merely asserting that they are all his. As someone who has known Trae for years before all of this, I can say that the only actual relation he has to any of those sites is that he has debunked a few and thinks every last one is a scam.

Finally, there is currently a campaign on Paypal to get refunds from Dantalion for services not rendered (see the RoR's for details). The jury is certainly still out on it, but you can't file a claim on paypal against someone if you never paid them through paypal. This suggests, at the very least, that all the claimants were or are customers of Dantalion. Unlike RoR or this site, that's verifiable. It doesn't demonstrate necessarily that they were actually wronged or that they will succeed in getting their money back.

Now, this really doesn't prove that dantalion isn't effective. But it certainly begs the question of some of his ethical practices and his paranoid view of the spellcasting and anti-spellcasting world. I hope it works for you R. But given the behavior I've seen from Dantalion and given some of the faux-magical info on his website, I'm guessing it won't pan out. Again, I realize many people don't believe any of these things work. But even if you do, Dantalion's claims are particularly unbelievable.

And Jumping, simmer the rhetoric. It's doing you no favors. I appreciate what you have done on these cases, but your tone and tactics are problematic at best.
Ju
  26th of Nov, 2008
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You guys can think what you like!!! I have proof infact join the group in Facebook type " Frater Dantalion is a scam " and you will see who I am and also will provide you with proof!! Dantalion he is a scam!
R
  27th of Nov, 2008
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super great grand.. happythanks giving people..
Lr
  20th of Mar, 2009
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don't use him he is the same person or in league with Carmen Queen of UK Witches and Desmonda Chapman. They are all fake and ignoring emails from clients, all use UK Banks but are based in Scottsdale Arizona. Check their IP addresses.
Ma
  3rd of Nov, 2009
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On absolutely no account trust this man or his website Black-Magic-Spells. He is definately a fake, a fraudster and a coward. Last year i paid him over £550 to undertake 2 spells and not a thing has happened. At one stage his Website stopped working and e-mails were not replied to. However what I consider to be really damning - even when his website was recently re -established I sent him at least four emails both to his E-mail address and directly via the message facility on his site to query my failed spells - AND NOT ONE OF THEM WAS ANSWERED. Why? because he is a fake and a fraud and has nothing to say. Do not pay this man a single penny because you are wasting your money. And when it is obvious you spell will not work he will simply stop replying.

Do not be surprised if he closes down again. I WOULD NOT BE AT ALL SURPRISED IF THIS MAN, WHOEVER HE IS, STARTS ANOTHER WEBSITE AND GOES BY A NEW NAME. BE WARNED

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