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We purchased a Keeshond puppy from Erbekees in 2013. He just turned two years old and was diognosed with Elbow dysplasia. When we initially contacted the owner of Erbekees, she was sympathetic. However, when I provided her with the paperwork from the hospital where my dog had surgery, she was far from sympathetic. Included was a recommendation to discontinue breeding our dogs mother (Toy) and his sibling (Kesha) as elbow dysplasia is known to be genetic and they could both potentially continue to have puppies with this condition. She immediately removed us from her Facebook group and made false accusations at me. I would highly recommend to others to find a more responsible breeder. It appears that this breeder plans to continue breeding these dogs that could continue having puppies that are genetically pre-disposed to this condition.

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Mel Rivas
, US
Aug 25, 2019 11:04 pm EDT

I am a proud owner of a magnificent Erbekees Keeshond! I am shocked that anyone would post such a negative complaint about something that is not in control of the breeder. She can’t control how a puppy is cared for once they are in the owners possession. So many factors can contribute to elbow dysplasia, being overweight, over excercising or allowing jumping off of the couch as a puppy can even do it. As a responsible owner it is your duty to reduce the those environmental risks. The fact that testing was normal would tell you a genetic cause is one of the LAST factors that contributed to the condition. Use REASON not emotion. Jodi does everything in her power to ensure she REDUCES the chance of health complications with her pups but no one but GOD can guarantee your puppy will be healthy it’s entire lifetime and that thought alone is ridiculous. No one has the right to tell Jodi how to breed her dogs either, she is the expert and will know if a dog needs to retire from the breeding program or not. All I see here is a character assasination of an honest woman who means well for all of the dogs she breeds. You can check her Facebook group with hundreds of happy pup parents who can speak towards Jodi’s professionalism and expertise. I would never choose another breeder.
Melissa Rivas
Proud Erbekees Parent

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Erbekees
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Oct 01, 2015 7:23 am EDT

I fully agree when making comments like this one should have to at the least provide their identity, so since my identity is obviously out in the open here are the people who bought Kooper and made the initial complaint.

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B. Bayly
, US
Aug 14, 2015 5:46 pm EDT

We are one of many very satisfied customers of Erbeekees since we adopted Sophie B. last March. The comments on this post, as I can attest from the hundreds Facebook comments on the Kees post, only express a fraction of the satisfied customers who have purchased Keeshonds from Jodi. She went out of her way for us including driving Sophie to the airport to meet me so I could fly back with her. The exams and medical records for Sophie were extremely thorough. Jodi continues to keep up with her customers and offer many helpful hints on the Facebook post.
We absolutely endorse Jodi's business. When I researched breeders, I felt like Jodi would be a very reputable breeder. She exceeded our expectations.
As noted by some of the posts on this cite, there are no absolute guarantees no matter how thorough the breeder. We hope Kooper recovers but one experience, which cannot even be attributed to the breeder, should in no way diminish the reputation of Erbeekees. Brian B.

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Laura Dick
, US
Aug 14, 2015 5:20 am EDT

Good morning,
First of all, I hope Brian's puppy is doing well. It is so distressing when a beloved pet has health issues. That said, I must comment about this breeder. In 2007, two years after the death of our second Kees, I began searching for a reputable Kees breeder. I believe Jodi was fairly new to the business at that time, but I was impressed with her openness to visits and her caring involvement with her babies. After visiting with Jodi and meeting a particular litter, our family chose Chaco and picked him up weeks later. Through the years, Jodi has kept in touch, and I have also enjoyed her forum. I have always said that I will again go to Jodi if/when we adopt another Kees. There are breeders out there who truly need to be watched for disreputable practices, but Jodi is not one of them. Chaco remains wonderfully healthy and is a valued member of the family. I will try to attach a recent photo of Chaco with his best buddy, a Shih Tzu puppy. Again, I hope Brian's puppy is improving, but his experience should not deter anyone from this breeder. Best regards, Laura Dick

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Regina Russo-Maciejewski
, US
Aug 13, 2015 2:56 pm EDT

Well first off I want to start by mentioning honest people don't feel the need to put an alias name instead of their real name Mr. Responsible Dog Owner. Honest people have nothing to hide, honest people do not have a need to spread malicious, defamatory stories that could ruin a persons reputation. Yes I am a client of Jodi Erbe and an extremely happy client who feels compelled to let others know the dedicated, caring and very honest breeder she is. What I don't understand is why on earth would one person want to go out of their way to risk their reputation and character to allegedly mislead, lie and be whatever you claim her to be Brian, at the risk of her losing everything after clearly winning awards and getting constant recognition for her wonderful work? I would like to suggest to you to get your stories straight. I have seen you post on facebook being appreciative of the support you were getting only to then turn your story around to be negative. Seems to me since you were obviously hearing things that you didn't want to hear is when you decided to contradict yourself and start telling stories not to be true. I am a first time owner of 2 keeshonden. I searched long and very hard to make sure the breeder was responsible, honest and doing everything on the up and up by being a breeder of Keeshonden. I have a Mother and son, both from Jodi. From day one I have gotten nothing but support, guidance and assistance in anything I needed in regards to my dogs. Not once did I ever feel uncomfortable or that she was hiding things or being dishonest as you claim her to be. Its common sense that not all things, including puppies, come with a guarantee. Well Brian, it seems to me the only fool you are trying to make of somebody is you. Jodi I know has nothing to hide and has been and will continue to be upfront and will always provide help and or documentation when needed because, Brian, that's what honest people do. There is a saying "Some people think that they are so smart that they really are stupid". I would go to Jodi again and again without question for another puppy or retired keeshond puppy.

Proud and Happy owner of Keeshond by erbekees Mother and Son
Regina Maciejewski (my real name)

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Kathy Phelps
, US
Aug 12, 2015 8:04 pm EDT
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I probably said enough but one more thing Mr. Smith...are you two STILL enjoying the love and companionship of Kooper? Do you still wake up every day to that sweet pooch licking you and loving you UNCONDITIONALLY? Is he still the light of your home? Is he still what you look at every day and can't imagine life without? Sincerely, what it all comes down to is that...the LOVE for your sweet companion and what you have in that. THAT is what Jodi breeds for. No new life is guaranteed perfection, human or otherwise, so just enjoy what you have in Kooper and love that sweet pooch in the way you were meant to when you chose him. We all sympathize with the ache you confront when your pooch is hurting and we respect that. But please keep this about Kooper's hurting and asking for support in that, not hurting someone (either Jodi OR her business). Again, it just isn't fair...

And finally, I just have to say it, if Jodi had anything to "hide" as a breeder, would she host a Kees Reunion every year and ASK her clients to come back to her place, bring their pooches and enjoy a time of fun and fellowship with fellow kees lovers that SHE foots the bill for out of her own pocket...every single penny? You think she is in this for the money? I think not. I rest my/our case...

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Kathy Phelps
, US
Aug 12, 2015 3:42 pm EDT
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I am pretty much in shock over the initial post on this trail. I cannot imagine anyone having a negative thing to say about Jodi herself or what she does and is as a breeder! I have had Keeshonds my entire life and know the breed very well. When I was researching and looking for a new breeder (my old breeder has retired), I don't hesitate to admit that I consider myself a "keeshond snob" and wrote off many in the first few minutes of my acknowledgment of their breeding standards. Erbekees is a SOLID platform for the keeshond breed! Jodi is one of THEE most conscientious breeders and one of the most thorough in the testing of her pups!

There is not ONE thing Jodi did wrong in this whole scenario. Taking aim at her because your sweet pup developed an issue is not fair to her or fair to her "business." And I put business in quotes because it isn't just a BUSINESS to her...it is her PASSION. Her awards prove that she approaches her role as a breeder with utmost care and concern and does what is RIGHT! Mr. Smith, you chose Jodi as your breeder because of her worth and reputation the same way we ALL did...it just simply isn't fair to take her down like this when your case is one out of hundreds that are positive. We ache for you in what you are dealing with and feel for your sweet pooch. Thankfully he has two owners that love and care for him and will continue to do so. But don't drag Jodi (and the love she has provided soooooooo many) through the mud in your time of hurting for your pooch. That just isn't fair to her and to all of us that support her profusely!

Also, to Kees Person...Jodi does not go to different vets to get the "passing" she needs for breeding. I have met and spent time with her vet and I guarantee it is the same one every time so please get your story straight too. Let me guess...you are the one who lives in a castle? (Jodi will get that...)

I used to post and read the posts on the Erbekees group all the time so I was along for the ride with all of this with Kooper. Frankly, it was THIS drama that caused me to quit reading and following like I used to. Taking shots on a group page that many find enjoyable and look forward to reading...who needs drama when we are all just sharing our love of a breed of dog? Unfortunately, this review/post of yours Brian, doesn't surprise me for that reason alone...it's all about YOU and YOUR anger/grief/frustration, it's not truly about Jodi as a breeder. Which should be duly noted to anyone reading this that doesn't know Jodi and Erbekees. Sure, your posts on the group page may have begun as a support call-out but not when it turned negative towards Jodi. Sorry, but all of us are going to stand strong in our support for her and her choices.

CHEERS to ERBEKEES! ~ Kathy Phelps

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Faa
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Aug 12, 2015 12:47 am EDT

I am sorry that Kooper has elbow dysplasia. I know how hard it can be to have an animal you love in pain. But with that being said no one can ever know that every single puppy will be perfect. I think you can test the parents and the puppies and everything can show that they are good but you really never know. Stuff happens. When you get a pup you take that chance. Jodi did everything right and all she could do. She is a great breeder who really cares for all of the animals. If you had a child and the child was perfect when born, you wouldn't blame yourself for that child developing a health issue. Life must go on. Love your animal and move on. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another pup from her. Felicia Atkinson (happy keeshonden owner)

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Rebecca J.
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Aug 10, 2015 3:36 pm EDT

I have bought two Keeshonds from Jodie, and interviewed several breeders before selecting her. Both of my dogs are healthy and have the typical jovial and sweet Kees personality. As a new client I was very impressed with her online forum for her clients. I truly think if she was a poor breeder with something to hide she would not offer a forum for her clients to converse with one another, nor host a huge annual get-together for her clients and their Kees.
I have owned several breeds of dogs and thus have worked with many breeders. They all say in their contract that they want dogs returned to them (or right of first refusal) if they can not remain with the owner, but I have never met one who followed through on this. I am so glad Jodie takes the well being of her puppies seriously, as my first Kees was one another owner was not able to keep. She is such a treasure and because Jodie does put a high priority on the well being of her puppies, my sweet Daffy didn't end up in a shelter.
I wholeheartedly recommend Erbees Keeshonden as a first class reputable breeder.

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Carmen D'Ambra
, US
Aug 10, 2015 11:52 am EDT

I am a supporter and client of Jodi Eribe. After searching for months we finally found our perfect Keeshondon male named Baer at Keeshonden by Erbekees.When we contacted Jodi she was very nice and invited us to come see the dogs.She even posted pictures of the puppies and their parents and told us how dedicated she was to this breed and how she got into breeding.I can honestly say she is the most caring breeder I have ever met. She has the kees tested before breeding and cares that they are healthy. She has a set of well qualified veteranarians at her disposal. Unfortunately when you get a dog you cannot control what happens with their health, especially if a breedis prone to certain ailments. A breeder cannot be blamed for a dog developing these things. I am so sorry that poor Kooper has this ailment but I know that this unfortunate situation should not and does not reflect on Jodi and her business. I am very happy that I found Jodi and my puppy Baer. In the future I will get my kees from Jodi because I have complete faith and trust in her. My vet was even impressed with the care that Baer recieved and the fact that Jodi gives her clients a book filled with background information and medical information for their records. This process has truly been amazing and I am grateful for Jodi who is a very compassionate and dedicated breeder.

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Tiffany Knauer
, US
Aug 10, 2015 11:04 am EDT

I have had the best experience with Jodi and she really is more than a breeder... she truly cares for each and every dog she breeds and has. This person is likely the type of person who would trip on a curb and try to blame the city for not making the sidewalk right for him. Aka a bottom-feeder, a blame-happy sad sad person. My advice to him is grow a pair and take some responsibility for his own actions... you know like jumping right into surgery and raising the dog to be susceptible to such health issues. Don't try to take down Jodi if you have nothing but fog and mirrors buddy :)

Cheers,

Tiffany Knauer Denver CO

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Linda Buxton
, US
Aug 10, 2015 8:09 am EDT

I am a supporter and a client of Jodi Erbes. I purchased a male Keeshond from her in Nov. of last year. I searched for many months before I chose Jodi as a breeder. She has proven for many years her ability to produce wonderfully healthy, beautiful dogs. It is a shame that one person would try so hard to make her appear as a poor breeder. Jodi does more testing for genetic problems in her dogs than most breeders do. The difficulty this gentleman is having can happen no matter how much testing is done on parents because other influences may cause it. Jodi is the consummate breeder as she goes far and above others with education, care and interest even after her pups have left her home. When it is time for me to buy another Keeshond I will be sure to go back to her. I highly recommend her expertise !
Linda Buxton Tampa, FL
An extremely happy customer

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CRuff
, US
Aug 09, 2015 8:16 pm EDT

It’s so unfortunate when something like this happens with a beloved pet, and I am so sorry Brian and his partner Jack have had such a hard time. I hope things are going well with Kooper.
Today, I’m writing from two perspectives, as a foster home provider and as a dog owner. Over the years, I’ve fostered and/or owned at least 25 dogs, including Keeshonds for the TurboKees rescue. I’ve also owned 3 Keeshonds, one of them a therapy dog for rescued dogs. I love them and will always have at least one Kees.
Many of my foster dogs have been the result of irresponsible breeders, and have had avoidable problems. I’ve also seen a lot of medical success over the years and huge benefits from working with these wonderful animals. I found Erbekees to be the opposite of irresponsible when it came to her dogs. Jodi Erbe is a wonderful breeder. I can tell you one thing that I’m sure most breeders outside of puppy mills will agree with. Breeding dogs is very expensive and the breeders I’ve known are not in it for the money. There’s little to be had and every good breeder I’ve ever known have been involved with it for the passion of the breed, including Jodi Erbe.
When I lost my beloved Kees two and a half years ago, I considered my options for a long time before deciding to get another dog. I hadn’t had a puppy in sixteen years because I adopted so many of my foster dogs. My husband had never known my Kees when she was young, so we decided that we wanted to have a puppy experience. After extensive research, we found Erbekees. We couldn’t have had a better experience with Jodi Erbe, from start to finish.
When I brought my Kokomo home in January 2014, my vet commented on the records that were sent with her. She said she’s never seen such comprehensive records and found Koko to be perfect in every way. She was given more testing in June when we had her spayed and was once again found to be perfect. I don’t know what’s in Koko’s future, but I do know that no matter what happens, Jodi has been supportive in every way. My niece is planning to become an Erbekees parent next year, and I’m sure my husband and I will add another Erbekees puppy too at some point too.
Cherie
A happy Erbekees owner in Connecticut

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E. Fraser
, US
Aug 09, 2015 6:59 pm EDT

I am extremely distressed to find such negative and blatantly incorrect information publicly posted online about a woman who I personally admire both as a businessperson, and a Keeshond breeder of the highest integrity. I own one of her puppies, a female rapidly approaching her first birthday. Susie is incredibly healthy, emotionally well-adjusted, and a physically beautiful representation of the breed. Susie’s mother is Toy, the same mother as Kooper, noted in the complaint. I have no reservations about her future health.

I searched extensively and long to find a breeder and was rewarded for my diligence with Jodi Erbe, who is honest to a fault, and passionate about her love for the Keeshond breed and desire to provide the healthiest, highest quality companion animals. She invests in testing her breeding animals extensively and refuses to breed those who do not pass. All this information, readily verifiable and confirmed independently, is posted on her website for anyone to check. I recommend that anyone searching for a Keeshond go to http://www.erbekees-keeshonden.com and spend some time educating themselves about the breed and Jodi herself. Do make a note of the many testimonials and endorsements that happy clients have sent to her. You’ll find a glowing one from me.

Jodi is anything but a “large volume breeder.” That statement is patently false.

As a longtime user of Jodi’s private Facebook forum, created specifically for her clients, I am reading and posting daily. I have first-hand knowledge of many Erbekees dogs and their happy owners. I clearly remember the postings from “Responsible dog owner, ” their content and tone. Sadly, I believe that his public postings were intended to embarrass and agitate, rather than an effort to seek information and support. His participation became disruptive to the general tone a purpose of the forum. I wholeheartedly support Jodi’s decision to terminate his membership.

I cannot second guess the owner’s choice to leap to a surgical treatment option for such a young dog. I can say that there are many non-invasive options which can keep an animal symptom free: weight loss (Kooper by the owner’s admission had long been overweight), anti-inflammatories, joint supplements, moderate exercise, and exercise rehab and therapy. Personally, I would have exhausted all of them, as well as sought a second opinion before opting for surgery.

Finally, I object to the practice, evident here, of publishing critical, untrue, and potentially damaging statements under a screen name (alias).

Elaine Fraser, Paris TN

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NCKeeshonds
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Mar 02, 2019 8:16 pm EST
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Elaine Jodi has always talked a good talk but she gets rid of more dogs then she keep, because she picks highly epensive pups from not the best sources. and now she currently according to her puppyfind ad she is selling breeding pairs. she has a bad rep for having issues, and ignoring people issues. Im a breeder myself and id not risk it buying from her. id go use the same breeder I used 13 yrs ago, again 11 years ago, nancy Hopkins also of tenn. why? 11-13 and neither has a single health problem, but I give Jodi credit, she spends the money to get quality, she just doesn't get it.. and she does spend a lot. im likely buying a new pair from nancy this summer. The fact is you can buy from both health tested parents, it merely means the parent were healthy! it in no way ensures yours will be ask a vet. but does try. steer clear of linda neal of Ga that woman stole my breeding stock and is registering them as being tested and that's not true lindas a dishonest witch sweet to your face charge you the highest price, and feeding you a puppy sired by a male she rescued without papers off craigslist. she told me that herself.

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happy Erbekees client
, US
Aug 09, 2015 4:43 pm EDT

I am an owner of an Erbekees keeshond. I would like to support the breeder in this situation. Further, I would like to explain that I am very familiar with this breed and have owned four of them in my lifetime. In my search for a breeder, I contacted many and spoke with them. It was obvious from the start that Jodi Erbe is professional and truly cares about the breed--not about making money as alleged. Jodi opens her home to prospective clients and is very forthcoming about testing of parents and what to expect and ask of breeders even if you choose not to buy a puppy from her. Anyone who claims otherwise is doing so without evidence or with omission of the facts. While the internet is useful, it seems that only the ones who wish to inflame speak most often and the loudest. Therefore, I felt compelled to support Erbekees and dispute what others are claiming. Additionally, when Brian first posted on the Facebook forum, he is not telling everyone here that Jodi quickly reached out to the clients and let us know what was happening. She never tried to hide anything.

I will also indicate that my vet of 25 years is very impressed with Jodi Erbe and her breeding practices. She indicated to me that most breeders do not put in the time, effort, and transparency into their breeding. I would not hesitate to buy another keeshond from Erbekees and honestly, have lamented that I did not get two from the litter from which my beloved keeshond came. The reason why her clients are so supportive of Jodi is because we have living proof that what is being purported is not accurate.

Rebecca
(a happy Erbekees client in GA)

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E. Fraser
, US
Aug 09, 2015 2:46 pm EDT

I am a member of Jodi Erbe's private (clients only) Keeshonden by ERBEKEES Facebook forum. I have a one year old female with the same mother (Toy) as the complainant, "Responsible Dog Owner." If an individual is willing to publish a post so potentially damaging, I expect to see a real name, not an alias. I read the forum and post daily in regular exchanges with the membership.

Although his dog was two years old at the time of his elbow concern, "Responsible Dog Owner" was not a regular forum participant. I did not recognize his name when he chose the forum as the means to announce his troubles, before advising the breeder privately of his concerns. I found this odd to say the least, much more of an attempt to agitate the membership and criticize the breeder than to solicit support or information.

I understand from his own posts during this time that "Responsible Dog Owner's" beautiful dog, Kooper, was overweight from puppyhood. This is a recipe for joint problems. It did appear that the owner was more than ready to buy into an idea which absolved him from any responsibility in Kooper's ailment. He began to insist that the breeder remove Kooper's parents from her breeding program, as though it were his right to make that determination. Again, very odd. His behavior on the forum became disruptive/negative/argumentative, and contrary to the general tone and the community feeling there. I wholeheartedly support Jodi's decision to remove his access.

I am aware that "Responsible Dog Owner" chose to leap immediately into a surgical solution for Kooper with no second opinion. That is his choice to make, but once again I find it odd that an owner would not first choose less invasive, kinder protocols, e.g. weight loss, the very effective range joint supplements available, anti-inflammatories, moderate general exercise, exercise therapy, etc.--all highly successful treatment protocols. These proactive solutions do, however, require the involvement and commitment of the owner There are many choices to explore prior to surgery, which in my opinion, should be a last resort. In view of his demands, it would have been useful to determine which of the four types of "elbow displasia" (a catch-all term for arthritis in the joint) Kooper has. There are four by the way, and it does make a difference genetically speaking. A displasia is much more likely to relate to overweight, injury, gait, etc., according to my research.

Jodi Erbe is my Keeshond breeder of choice and I am not alone. She is a small selective companion breeder, not a "volume" breeder as has been incorrectly stated above by "Kees Person" (another alias). I find that "person's" statements to be both foolishly uninformed and highly biased. I would refer anyone looking for a Keeshond puppy to Jodi Erbe's website: Erbekees-Keeshonden.com. I encourage you to take your time and explore it. Read all the years of feedback and testimonials from happy client owners. You'll find one there from me among all the others. Make up your own mind, rather than pass up the opportunity for a wonderful companion based on anonymous online postings.

Jodi provided me with the results of her extensive testing, as well as a generational health history of my dog's parents. (All testing results are posted and can be independently verified for each of her breeding animals on her website for all to see.) This testing is not a guarantee, but it is a very strong indicator of good health in areas of concern. That's what I was looking for--a great start for me and my new puppy. I am convinced that I have done everything possible to have an active and healthy puppy into old age. I expect and anticipate a long and healthy life for my dog, Susie, given proper care and maintenance on my part.

Jodi gave me a healthy, well-adjusted puppy to take home. I did my best to insure that I started with the best puppy I could find. Now the rest is up to me. I attach a picture of my Erbekees dog: Susie, aged one, the picture of health and beauty. She's pretty smart, too.

Elaine Fraser, Erbekees owner, Paris, TN

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Erbekees
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Jul 30, 2015 8:28 am EDT

Please note a in depth explanation of this complaint posted on my website.

www.erbekees-keeshonden.com

Please go to Erbekees History page and select the Brian Smith tab.

I am also coping the above snapshot as the snapshot is hard to read.

Brian Smith
Hi alI.
I posted Koopers diagnosis to the group to provide awareness and hopefully receive support from fellow keeshond lovers. To those that have shown support for Kooper and my family; please accept our sincere gratitude. Your support makes a difference. This diagnosis has been extremely difficult for us to deal with. To those that have disregarded the pain Kooper and my family are feeling right now, making their priority to unnecessarily defend Jodi please continue reading. Jodi has been nothing but supportive and I have not once blamed her or her breeding for Koopers diagnosis. Jodi has had all the necessary testing done for all of her breeding dogs to prevent this from happening. Unfortunately our breed is predisposed to elbow dysphasia and Koop just happened to be one of the rare cases from Jodi's breeding to be diagnosed with it. Please look at the entire picture before making assumptions. My family and I are going through a difficult time and some of your comments were hurtful; intentional or not.

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Erbekees
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Jul 29, 2015 9:22 pm EDT

Please further note a statement made directly from Brian Smith in our private client group Keeshonden by ERBEKEES. It directly contradicts his statement above.

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Erbekees
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Jul 29, 2015 1:35 pm EDT

In response to the complaint against me I would like to express my side of the story.
First I cannot say enough how sympathetic I am to this situation, being a breeder this is one of the worst experiences one can have. I like to think that no breeder of any breed is not sympathetic to an outcome like this but being a breeder it is impossible to predict the outcome of every breeding and unfortunately breeders do encounter health issues from time to time no matter if they do 100% testing or no testing at all. It is just a fact that you can have 100 puppies all in perfect health then have 1 or 2 that have mild or even sever health issues. There is no possible way to avoid this.
That said this particular man did contact me about the issue and the only thing he fails to add is that the dog is and has been severely overweight his entire life. This was addressed by his vet in the report as the 1st issue that needed to be changed. This issue alone can and often does create stress and can even lead to being dysplastic. There is no real way to know if it is genetic or environmental, he can say it is genetic but to date this is 1 random health issue from the parents and in my opinion does not merit removal of parents from my breeding program.
I will add that all of my dogs that are bred exceed OFFA testing requirements prior to breeding. There has been no patterning for me to remove any dogs from my breeding program and if there were I certainly would do that. To date I have had 6 dogs from various lines NOT pass health testing and I have altered and placed them all in pet homes. So if it were my intent to breed dogs that could potentially cause issues I would not have done that. It is my goal to do all I can to prevent things like this happening and I do all the testing I can to try and avoid this.
Brain also fails to add that he went on a rant in our client group trying to flame me to all the other clients. When he was made aware by all the other clients posting and supporting me and my breeding practices Brian became enraged and referred to his posting as an “Epic fail” because so many clients showed support to me and not so much to him. My clients actually contacted me both by phone and email and expressed their concern for the way he was behaving in our forum. They felt he acted very inappropriate and were actually bothered by the fact he would pin blame on me as there are so many other puppies in the group that are healthy and happy and show absolutely no health issues.
So there are always 2 sides to every story.
I continue to monitor the health in all my lines and I will continue to do everything I possibly can to avoid health issues. I wish Brian and his partner Jack only the best and hope Kooper has shown improvement since his surgery. Despite what you want people to think I do care very much about the future of all my puppies and never want any of them to ever be in pain or have health issues.

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May 12, 2015 3:58 pm EDT
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We've been saying all along, just because they are tested even for generations { which does scream line breeding} The possibility is and will remain possible to have issues. I am not close to this breeder but she did atleast try and do the best she could. I agree with the removal of said parents... We pulled ours when a problem came up.. Morally its the correct thing to do!

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Kees Person
Valentine, US
Apr 19, 2015 11:01 am EDT

thank you for sharing your experience with this High-Volume Breeder in Tennessee. She is now breeding pure for "white" Kees and calling them rare, unfortunately to get a "white" Kees you need dogs that carry the trait, and keep them closely related, which means the outcome for health, regardless of the pre-breeding testing, would make the pups health suspect. I wish the best for your pup, I also bought a dog from this breeder in the same year 2013. She removed me from her facebook group, and started making accusations about me as well, when I questioned her breeding practices. My dog is a poor example of the breed standard, and I am concerned about future problems I will face due to this breeders concern with making money. Do yourself a favor, just because the dog has passed a health-test, does not mean the dog should be breed. I know she uses different vets to get the results she needs for breeding.