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Casey Palmer & Rockin P Quarter Horses / Horse Misrepresented

1 RT 2 Box 1120Porum, OK, United States Review updated:
Contact information:
Phone: 918-521-1899

I bought an 8yr old grade quarter horse gelding from Casey Palmer and Jodi Bagwell. I saw him on their website and I first was asking about a different horse on there and was not getting a response by email so I called and I talked to Casey about what I wanted in a horse. I told him that I wanted a horse that I could trail ride on, that was safe because we have kids in our neighbor hood and was hoping to get a horse that the kids could ride. I told him that I did not want one that would buck or do any thing like that. That I had been bucked off and needed a completely broke horse. He said that the one that I was thinking about would not be as good and this other one that he had, named Tinker. I said of yes I did see him on there as well. He said this horse is great. You can ride him anywhere and do anything. You can pull him out of the pasture and get right on and he will be the same every time( well i guess that is right he bucks every time). He said I had some other people out today that looked at him but they have not made a decision and it is first come first serve. So I said ok i will get him. He said you need to wire the money to me and I will email you the info and I even have someone that can bring him to you in the next few days and it will be about $300. So I got he email with the wire info and went right to the bank to wire the money...$2250, that did not include the shipping. I would pay the shipper when he got here. so that was April 5th, Then I kept trying to get ahold of Casey, no answer no return calls no reply emails....at this point I am getting a bad feeling. so I finally get a hold of them on April 8th say they have not gotten the shipping done but he is working on it. In the mean time I am emailing all of his references on his website and I am getting responses yes good ones but of course no one is going to put people that are ot happy with them on their website for a referal. In the mean time I am asking for new pictures and he says I will as soon as sister comes hoem from school. He says that his freind will be shipping him to me in about a week but still no price on shipping. Finally he says that his friend will be $600 to bring him out but I will have to meet him about an hour from my house casue he does not like to go to colorado. so I am getting quotes from other shippers and get a quote for $300 so I tell Casey that I will do that and make sure he has his coggins and health cert. So we finally get it settled for pickup i think it was on the 13th of April. He gets him on the trailer and then the next day April 14th he gets off the trailer. The shipper says I am glad he is here becasue that place was nasty and he was the best looking horse on the place. I am pleased that he does look good, ecpect his feet which needed done very badly, he says that he is a farrier so why were they not done. He is over weight but I rather a few extra pounds than to thin. So I put him in his pen and feed him and then call casey to let him know that he arrived safe and that I was going to ride he later and see how he is, had to get to work not long after he got home.


So I got to ride him I think it was the next day or day after. I took him into the round pen and lunged him and he looked good so I had by husband there and i said ok I am going to get on and walk and that was fine and then we trotted and that was ok but as soon as i asked for the lope he kicked out. so then i talked to my husband and said ok lets try this again. walk trot lope he kicked out again. So I got off and called casey and told him what happened. He acted very surprised. I said I am going to have the massage therapist out and chiropractor he did just travel from Oklahoma to Colorado, maybe he is tired from the trip. So they came out I think the same day. he did need it he was out in several places. So they said let him rest a day and see how it goes. So i did and he did the same things. so then i called my trainer and took him over there and had him work him and see what was going on. He said well could be his feet and he said he is acting like he is not used to the altitude. So give him 2 weeks to get used to it and then see what happens. So I got the farrier out and he trimmed him and said I think that you need to take him to hte vet and get him lameness checked. So I took him and got him checked and xrayed came back ok so then I thought well his teeth need done maybe that is it. so got is teeth done and his sheath that the vet was one of the worst that he had ever seen. so after all that and the 2 weeks off I took him back to my trainer and he did the same thing so I left him at the trainer for the month. I would go check on him and he would say that he was not changing and could not figure out why. so finally at the ed of the month we finally figured out that the horse had no work ethic and did not care if he pleased oyu or not and that he would not change with out alot more time if ever. He lso told me that he bucked so hard one day that he broke his back cinch. So I call Casey and he says we will trade horses and that he will fond a good one that I can be happy with.


So begins the trading saga.


I keep asking him about ones he has on his site. no answer to calls, no answer to emails, no return calls nothing. FInally I think that we have a horse that will work and I am calling to get the coggins and stuff on that one he has and find out when we can get it done and all of a sudden...Casey says "I was riding Jasper today and he did the same thing so we better keep looking" very convenient if you ask me that was June 13th. then it just keeps going on not answering the phone no emails and then when i want a video of one...too much water too much rain no that one wont work..... until he finds one tht he says will be great but he will be an additional $1900. I say no way I am not paying more and so I tell him come get him and give me my money back..no i can not do tht we will keep looking. No I will put him on my website and sell him for you. send me pictures and i will get him on right away so i do and then it is into August before he finally gets him on his site. I told him that if things were not settled soon I was going toput him in a catalog sale. well on and on it went. So finally called a Lawyer and she told me to sell him and then go after him for the difference. I had even been asking him for a refund of half the purchase price and he had been refusing that. Well finally I did take him to that sale and I got $575 for him.


I did finally get $500 from him but I am still out alot on him. I am not any means happy with him.


Than I get an email from the lawyer that I had talked to before and there is another lady that has had a problem with Casey and she would love to talk to me about what happened to me and so I call her and find out her story.


So what I am saying is please be very careful if you get a horse from him that everything is as promised and get things in writing just in case.


I m not saying that he does not have some good horses but he has at least 2 out there that were not as promised.

There have been more people contact me about him as well.

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  • Te
      10th of Jan, 2008
    -2 Votes

    I stumbled onto this website looking for casey's site, and am not here to take sides. However I have to say I have bought more than one horse from him in the past and have found him to be as fair as anybody. I was amazed the first time I went to Casey's barn it was the first place I have been that I found several nice horses, and dont remember even one bad one. It was different the other barns we went to were unorganized, dirty stalls and the horses were not near the quality Casey had at his place. The first horse I purchased from him, was a really nice gelding that had one bad habbit, at feeding time he penned his ears and acted agressive when he seen the feed bucket comming. Casey told me about that and I didnt think anything about it, until I got home. I found out what he was talking about. I make up my mind with kids around all the time I could not have one like that, so I called Casey and he simply said bring him back. He paid me my money back and about two weeks later he called and said I have one that will work. I went and looked, he was a nice horse and I bought him 4 yrs ago and I still ride him, and like him just as much as I did when I bought him. Since then I have bought 2 more and found him to be very good to me. I dont have anything bad to say about him. Always acted like a nice young man.

  • Mo
      22nd of Jan, 2008
    +2 Votes

    I am another person that purchased a horse from Casey Palmer that was not as described.

    I also posted a complaint. I have since had a couple people tell me that Casey's explanation for these "problem" horses, is simply that the buyers (this person and myself) are "city women that don't know how to ride", and that we are also just trying unjustly get a lot of money out of him. LOL!!!!!

    For one, I am not a "city" woman. I have been riding horses for over 25 years. I have shown competitively and have trained with some of the top trainers in the nation. After a conversation with the person that posted the complaint (above) about this gelding, it was my impression that she is an even more accomplished rider than myself. WHO is Casey Palmer to tell people that we don't know how to ride????

    In my opinion, this person who posted the above complaint, used her exceptional knowledge of horses to seek out the problem with the gelding and make an attempt to resolve it. I have the utmost respect for her seeking the professional advice of not only a veterinarian, but an equine chiropractor, an equine massage therapist, and a professional trainer. Shall we assume that Casey also knows more than all of these professionals combined? Perhaps he should impart his infinite wisdom with them? I'm sure they would be most interested in learning from his expertise.

    To tell people that we are just trying to get money out of him to buy other horses is irresponsible and infuriating. We were both put in extremely difficult financial situations due to Casey and Jodi's misrepresentation of these horses. I was only told through "the grapevine" that Casey was going to offer to take the horse back and refund my purchase price (not my transportation cost, vet bills, etc.) . I NEVER received this offer from Casey. My assumption is that he told this "3rd party" that - to make it sound like he would at least attempt to resolve it, and redeem himself in their eyes. Again, he never offered ANY type of compensation to me. He never called to express surprise that this horse had cancer, express any concern for the poor mare, or express and regrets or remorse that a 7 year old child would have to deal with tremendous heartache. His only call was to threaten legal action against me for finding out that we had posted the facts of our situation on the internet. Per the information provided to me through this 3rd party, I left Casey a voice mail and told him that IF he wanted the horse back, he could have her. However, I would expect that he reimburse me for the expenses that the horse had incurred while it was in my care. Had Casey returned my phone call that I placed to him within approximately 2 hours of the horse arriving at my place, there would not have been a vet bill, simply the transportation charges. I'm most confident that we could have reached a resolution that early in the game. However, Casey chose to completley ignore the situation and disregard my calls and emails and photos. If he is such an upstanding young man, why didn't he reply to me??? (The horse would have most likely died without medical intervention shortly thereafter. Am I expected to shell out thousands of dollars to fix this horse and hand it back over to him free of charge? That would be a HELL of a deal for any horse trader, wouldn't it? To send sick, lame and/or untrained horses to be "fixed" and then have them returned at no charge? I would guess that would be very profitable indeed.

    Casey apparently told one person that I wanted $2,000 to resolve my issue. Then, approximately 24 hours later he apparently told yet another person that I wanted $5,000 to resolve this, so I could buy another horse with the money. WHAT?!!!!

    So, yes, I am guessing that Casey will happily "explain" his side of the story to you, and it will apparently make him appear to be the victim in all of these instances. But it appears that he can't keep the stories straight because the stories seem to change daily. Essentially there is zero acceptance of responsibility, and he just tries to throw the blame onto the buyers. I still have not heard an excuse for the situation for the other complaint where he attempted to switch horses and then endangered two different riders. However, I'm SURE it is most interesting. If anyone hears THAT one, please do tell!!! We're all still waiting for an explanation on that!

  • El
      8th of Nov, 2008
    -2 Votes

    YOU AGAIN!!!

  • Re
      5th of Jan, 2011
    -2 Votes

    ???

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