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Nissan Altima Complaints - Rear brake problems

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Nissan Altima

Posted: 2006-11-27 by Mike Krafchik [send email]
Rear brake problems
Complaint Rating:  73 % with 11 votes
This was an email I sent to the representative of the Nissan Scarborough dealership, Nick Sgro. His response was that Nissan Canada deemed it acceptable for rear break pads on a Nissan Altima to disintegrate after 2 years and less than 40000 kms...

I leased a Nissan Altima from Scarborough Nissan 2 years ago. Up until this point, the car has treated us well. The problems started Wednesday November 15, 2006 when my wife Pamela noted a problem with the car. There was a grinding noise coming from the rear driver's side wheel. After driving it myself I quickly came to the conclusion that there was a problem with the rear brakes. I took the car to a Canadian Tire that was close to my house. It is the same Canadian Tire that I regularly have my car serviced at (Honda) and have had years of good service from their crew. After taking a look at the car, the service technician quickly pointed out that there was something obviously wrong and that I should take the car back to the dealership I got it from. The reasons that he listed were as follows:

1. The car had less than 39000 kms on it - break pads should last longer than that and the ones on my Civic certainly have.

2. It was the rear breaks that were affected - even though 2/3 of a car's breaking occurs on the front. The front breaks should wear out faster.

3. The grooves cut into the discs would indicate that there is no break pad left.

4. Canadian Tire didn't even carry the parts necessary to repair the car as the car is deemed to be too new for those parts to be ordered.

I immediately took the car to Scarborough Nissan. It was later in the afternoon on Saturday November 18, 2006. I explained the situation to the service manager and was told that breaks are no longer under warranty. I explained the extenuating circumstances surrounding the failure of the rear breaks to no avail. The service manager ensured me that a mechanic would look at the car to try and determine if there was any mechanical failure outside of expected wear and tear on the breaks but that in all likelihood, I would be covering the cost of the repair. At this time I had the pleasure of listening to another story about other cars whose breaks had failed at 18000 kms. My answer to that was "it certainly doesn't make it right".

I then went to the sales manager, Rick Holton, and repeated my story. Rick's answer to my dilemma was that a problem like this could be due to how the car was driven. This car is driven to our cottage by me with a family of four (including a four month old) and by my wife, somewhat sparingly, as she is on maternity leave. We are certainly not driving it aggressively or taking part in late night road races. Rick shrugged off that notion and then proceeded to tell me about a G35 he recently saw come in with worse break problems under 20000 kms. Again, this certainly does not make it right. At this point I had the distinct impression that nobody at the dealership really cared about the curious nature of this obvious mechanical failure and that I was getting nowhere fast. I told Rick that if this "likely" outcome was to be reached, that it would be the last time that they see this car until I give it back to you at the end of my lease, and that I would certainly not be purchasing another Nissan (though we will be in the market for a minivan within the year - the Toyota Sienna seems the clear leader over the Quest I was considering). That statement was met with a somewhat callous shrug.

I had the pleasure of picking up my car on Monday, November 20, 2006. I wanted an oil change done on the car at this same time and there was to be recall service performed as well. I learned that as a result of the recall service, the back wheels were re-aligned but that the car now veers as I did not want to pay for front wheel alignment as well. Fabulous - recall service caused me to have to pay for front wheel alignment (pouring more salt on my wounds). After agreeing to pay to have the front wheels aligned, I received the call stating the car was ready. I asked to be picked up only to find out that I was out of the pick up area (Yonge and Lawrence - maps.google.com - find out how many kms that is) - get that salt shaker back out!

Not to my surprise, the front breaks were found to be at a 35 - 40 % wear - within normal specifications. While I felt this lent further credence to my argument, Scarborough Nissan certainly did not. Apparently I had found a magical way of stopping mainly on my rear breaks only by keeping the front wheels off the road while breaking (pure sarcasm). I had earlier requested that the defective parts be kept - they were. I have them now.

What do I plan to do about this? First let me say that as far as I am concerned, Nissan has extracted $1000 from my family to cover a defective product that was leased to us. Considering the manner of folks that I have already had the pleasure of dealing with at Scarborough Nissan, I do not anticipate ever being able to recover that money. What I plan on doing is everything within my power to affect your bottom line. I plan on starting with this letter to you, Nick Sgro. My next steps are to post my experience to every blog/website I can possibly find along with detailed pictures of the faulty parts. Being a software developer, I guess the hardest part will be taking the pictures; the rest of it is child's play. From there, my imagination is the limit and the world is my audience. Of course this says nothing to the extent that good old word of mouth offers. My experience has already been shared with my parents and their friends in the Leaside area. Pam's parents in Bolton seemed equally interested in the story. It certainly has been passed around my office up in Markham and I know that Pam is anxious to pass it along to her colleagues at her downtown office tomorrow. My neighbors in Lawrence Park will also be subject to my witty banter on the subject.

The car was last serviced at a Nissan dealership in Markham and passed with flying colors before being brought in for its second service at Scarborough Nissan. I bought winter tires from that dealership and am happy that none of that money went to Scarborough Nissan. I now will extend this fight to Nissan Motor Company Limited at large. I plan on sharing this exact letter with the dealership in Markham as well. Don't think of it as one of the 16,624 Altimas sold in North America in 2005 or the 14,761 of them sold in 2006, but how many I can prevent you from selling in 2007.
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715 days ago by Rob [send email]
I think there are a variety of issues you must take into consideration with your complaint:

1. Did you get the brakes serviced at 24,000 km as per the Nissan service schedule? This increases brake life by an additional 30%.

2. Are you aware that the reason why the rear brakes did not last as long as the fronts is the rear brake pads on the Altima are smaller than the fronts.

3. It is difficult to compare your Civic to your Altima as the Altima has a different braking system and is a considerably heavier vehicle.

Although I am sympathetic to your situation, I believe your complaint should be with Nissan and not the dealership. The franchise must abide by the warranty guidelines laid out by the manufacturer, which state that brakes can only be covered within 20,000 kms. It appears like the dealership was limited in their ability to compensate you given the time and mileage restraints. Additionally with all do respect I feel that your threats to the dealership are unwarranted and make me less compassionate for your complaint.
692 days ago by Mike Krafchik [send email]
Rob - I tried responding to your post - "possible hack"?

1. The car was serviced prior to 24000 kms and had a full set of winter tires put on by another Nissan dealership. Nothing was reported then.

2. You a technician/engineer/sales? Sounds like tech or someone from Nissan for that matter, maybe you work for a dealership, who knows... This is what I would say from a design perspective - poor design. When an engineer designs the breaking system for a car, they should do so in such a way to maximize performance, durability. It would make sense that the rear breaks be smaller due to less strain by design. To have them torn to nothing within 40 000kms while the front breaks show completely normal wear (by this time you should be realizing that this point of yours actually lends further credence to my story) is either poor design or manufacturing defects in the pads themselves.

3. It is not difficult to compare a civic and an Altima - go check out consumers reports - they compare the two cars often - they were direct competitors for some time... Considerably heavier? By who's standard? This year there is a 387 lbs difference between the 2 - that's only 2 adults in a country not in North America!

Final Thoughts - my complaint should not be with the dealership? My complaint is with Nissan AT LARGE. I don't pull it apart into pieces that I think a culpable and excuse the rest. My outlet? How about THE PLACE I BOUGHT MY CAR?
683 days ago by Ron Gardiner [send email]
Boo hoo. Maybe if you knew how to spell brake properly, somebody might take you seriously.
244 days ago by Dave Robertson [send email]
I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THE SAME RESPONSE FROM THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP AND NISSAN HEAD OFFICE...I MADE NO THREATS BUT I HAVE DECIDED THAT AFTER BUYING 4 NISSAN CARS THAT I HAVE BOUGHT MY LAST NISSAN PRODUCT...

DAVE
BURLINGTON
33 days ago by George Mendes [send email]
2006, 2.5 Altima, all hwy miles .. 55, 000 kms and rear brakes grinding again!!.were replaced at 23000, last Nissan car i will ever purchase. I am Pissed ... would never have thought of Nissan having such a poor product, with much importance " Safety" and zero solutions to the customer.
21 days ago by Baha Saleh [send email]
I have the same priblem in my Nissan Altema 2006. I have changed the break bads with new origenal ones. then the sound start comming out. The car was serviced by the dealer and he told me that reinforcement was done to my beark discs without even telling me about it and wy it was done ... I think nessan is hiding something about it's Altemas ...

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